Faith in God's Chosen Prophet?

[investigator]

It is interesting that every time someone wants to prove that we absolutely need prophets, they trot out Amos 3:7 and use it as a proof text. Amos 3:7 only works as a proof text, because if you look at it in context, you will learn that Amos was not a prophet or a prophets son but a herder. God called him directly as he was following his flock. God called him. Not a church. Not a process of years of serving in an institution learning how to be a prophet. Not being ordained to be a prophet seer and revelator and then hoping that he exhibits the fruit of being a prophet. Of course all prophets are ordained by God himself, not man. "All the prophets had the Melchizedek Priesthood and were ordained by God himself".TPJS page 181

Amos 7:14 ¶Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet’s son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
15 And the Lord took me as I followed the flock, and the Lord said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel.

[gclayjr]

Investigator,

It is interesting that every time someone wants to prove that we absolutely need prophets, they trot out Amos 3:7 and use it as a proof text

So bottom line, as far as you are concerned, Thomas S. Monson is no more of a prophet, than Denver Snuffer, Amonhi, the Pope, ... or you.

So why do you get your panties in a twist every time anybody acknowledges you and your point of view?

Regards,

George clay

[eddie]

Investigator,

So now that you have faith, you no longer need a prophet, because you have your own direct channel to God?

So you need not worry about missing anything God may reveal through his prophets, because you have you own direct channel?

Regards,

George Clay

This is sorta the idea. One who knows tells other people who don't know, then leaves it to them to know. If said people become reliant on said messenger for all future spiritual direction, they spiritually atrophy.

"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD"

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Prophets aren't meant to be forever administrators or spiritual guides over peoples lives. But if it's forever hand holding you want, He will certainly oblige. (Eze. 14)

As you well know Ajax, only certain things are revealed to the Prophet, so if you believe in Jesus Christ who reveals the direction of the Church, then you believe in Prophets. Yes, you can pray to have confirmation, but you will not have revelation which is intended only for the Prophet, he has the stewardship.

[rewcox]

It is interesting that every time someone wants to prove that we absolutely need prophets, they trot out Amos 3:7 and use it as a proof text. Amos 3:7 only works as a proof text, because if you look at it in context, you will learn that Amos was not a prophet or a prophets son but a herder. God called him directly as he was following his flock. God called him. Not a church. Not a process of years of serving in an institution learning how to be a prophet. Not being ordained to be a prophet seer and revelator and then hoping that he exhibits the fruit of being a prophet. Of course all prophets are ordained by God himself, not man. "All the prophets had the Melchizedek Priesthood and were ordained by God himself".TPJS page 181

Amos 7:14 ¶Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet’s son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
15 And the Lord took me as I followed the flock, and the Lord said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel.

Don't you realize this doesn't apply now since the Sacrifice, and Christ setup the new organization with Apostles and Prophets.

[Finrock]

It is interesting that every time someone wants to prove that we absolutely need prophets, they trot out Amos 3:7 and use it as a proof text. Amos 3:7 only works as a proof text, because if you look at it in context, you will learn that Amos was not a prophet or a prophets son but a herder. God called him directly as he was following his flock. God called him. Not a church. Not a process of years of serving in an institution learning how to be a prophet. Not being ordained to be a prophet seer and revelator and then hoping that he exhibits the fruit of being a prophet. Of course all prophets are ordained by God himself, not man. "All the prophets had the Melchizedek Priesthood and were ordained by God himself".TPJS page 181

Amos 7:14 ¶Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet’s son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
15 And the Lord took me as I followed the flock, and the Lord said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel.

Don't you realize this doesn't apply now since the Sacrifice, and Christ setup the new organization with Apostles and Prophets.

What doesn't apply now?

Also, who do the prophets put their trust in?

-Finrock

[rewcox]

It is interesting that every time someone wants to prove that we absolutely need prophets, they trot out Amos 3:7 and use it as a proof text. Amos 3:7 only works as a proof text, because if you look at it in context, you will learn that Amos was not a prophet or a prophets son but a herder. God called him directly as he was following his flock. God called him. Not a church. Not a process of years of serving in an institution learning how to be a prophet. Not being ordained to be a prophet seer and revelator and then hoping that he exhibits the fruit of being a prophet. Of course all prophets are ordained by God himself, not man. "All the prophets had the Melchizedek Priesthood and were ordained by God himself".TPJS page 181

Amos 7:14 ¶Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet’s son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
15 And the Lord took me as I followed the flock, and the Lord said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel.

Don't you realize this doesn't apply now since the Sacrifice, and Christ setup the new organization with Apostles and Prophets.

What doesn't apply now?

Also, who do the prophets put their trust in?

-Finrock

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was restored in the early 1800s. Christ selected Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith received the Melchizedek Priesthood from Peter, James and John.

The Church is God's Kingdom on the earth at this time. Follow the Prophets Finrock.

[Finrock]

It is interesting that every time someone wants to prove that we absolutely need prophets, they trot out Amos 3:7 and use it as a proof text. Amos 3:7 only works as a proof text, because if you look at it in context, you will learn that Amos was not a prophet or a prophets son but a herder. God called him directly as he was following his flock. God called him. Not a church. Not a process of years of serving in an institution learning how to be a prophet. Not being ordained to be a prophet seer and revelator and then hoping that he exhibits the fruit of being a prophet. Of course all prophets are ordained by God himself, not man. "All the prophets had the Melchizedek Priesthood and were ordained by God himself".TPJS page 181

Don't you realize this doesn't apply now since the Sacrifice, and Christ setup the new organization with Apostles and Prophets.

What doesn't apply now?

Also, who do the prophets put their trust in?

-Finrock

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was restored in the early 1800s. Christ selected Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith received the Melchizedek Priesthood from Peter, James and John.

The Church is God's Kingdom on the earth at this time. Follow the Prophets Finrock.

What doesn't apply now?

Also, who do the prophets put their trust in?

-Finrock

[rewcox]

Don't you realize this doesn't apply now since the Sacrifice, and Christ setup the new organization with Apostles and Prophets.

What doesn't apply now?

Also, who do the prophets put their trust in?

-Finrock

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was restored in the early 1800s. Christ selected Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith received the Melchizedek Priesthood from Peter, James and John.

The Church is God's Kingdom on the earth at this time. Follow the Prophets Finrock.

What doesn't apply now?

Also, who do the prophets put their trust in?

-Finrock

The Prophets follow Christ.

Name a Prophet outside the church organization, since 1830? During the Nephites time after Christ visited? After Christ setup the Church after His Crucifixion?

[Finrock]

What doesn't apply now?

Also, who do the prophets put their trust in?

-Finrock

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was restored in the early 1800s. Christ selected Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith received the Melchizedek Priesthood from Peter, James and John.

The Church is God's Kingdom on the earth at this time. Follow the Prophets Finrock.

What doesn't apply now?

Also, who do the prophets put their trust in?

-Finrock

The Prophets follow Christ.

Name a Prophet outside the church organization, since 1830? During the Nephites time after Christ visited? After Christ setup the Church after His Crucifixion?

Your answer that "the Prophets follow Christ" means that they put their trust in Christ?

Also, what doesn't apply now?

-Finrock

[rewcox]

Your answer that "the Prophets follow Christ" means that they put their trust in Christ?

Also, what doesn't apply now?

-Finrock

You can't answer the questions, even easy ones. Continue to eat your grapefruit, we're talking about Apples. You seem to relish being Amonhies, I'm not even sure you are Finrock any longer.

[investigator]

eddie said..As you well know Ajax, only certain things are revealed to the Prophet, so if you believe in Jesus Christ who reveals the direction of the Church, then you believe in Prophets. Yes, you can pray to have confirmation, but you will not have revelation which is intended only for the Prophet, he has the stewardship.

Joseph Smith taught differently...

This principle ought (in its proper place) to be taught, for God hath not revealed anything to
Joseph, but what He will make known unto the Twelve, and even the least Saint may know all
things as fast as he is able to bear them, for the day must come when no man need say to his
neighbor, Know ye the Lord; for all shall know Him (who remain) from the least to the greatest TPJS PAGE 149.

[investigator]

One can only have faith in things that are true (Alma 32: 21). We can’t have faith in a falsehood. Only to the extent that a principle contains truth can we exercise faith in it. For this reason, faith is always centered in Christ,because all truth flows from Christ.

Unlike faith, which is always pure, our belief structure includes both pure elements of truth and impurities of human assumption, tradition, false conclusions, and out-and-out lies. Most of what we believe comes from the experiences of our lifetime, all of which occur in the natural world, and most of which are in some way tainted. Such false beliefs are hostile to our progress unless overridden by revealed truth.

By so noting the difference between faith and belief, we are not assigning belief second-class citizenship. Belief, while very different from faith, is the sum total of what we think, both good and bad, true and false. Belief is extremely powerful and has a greater pull upon our lives than any other single force, because our belief literally defines our universe. Life is what we believe it to be. People are what we believe them to be. Our perception of our world, our belief structure, imposes so much distortion upon our vision that in many ways it creates the world we view.

Our every act is driven by a belief. Whether that belief is based upon truth, or upon a misconception, determines whether that act is righteous or evil. Often, our faith can be profound, while our belief about how that faith applies to us can limit, or even eliminate, our enjoyment of the fruits of our faith. Such faith-opposing believing is called “unbelief” in the scriptures. It is not necessarily an absence of faith and can coexist with faith quite companionably. But it is nevertheless an effective and often long-lived damnation of our faith.

Triumph of Zion...John Pontius