You make some good points here too. Moving to the Rocky Mountains now for safety might seem extreme to some, but the first time there is an attack of war on a big city on the East Coast, some people may change their tune about wanting to stay there, and then it may seem more prudent to get out of the big cities.Silver wrote:I'm always intrigued by the counsel to not go to extremes. A year before the Flood, getting on the ark might have seemed extreme. The day the rain started it was the most prudent thing to do.
Buying $25 worth of food storage every month, while still eating out and going to the movies and booking vacations and buying a great big ol' flat screen TEEVEE, might seems like a good plan as long as one has full employment. However, if injuries or financial crisis or war occurred suddenly, that plan would immediately be seen as faulty.
My thought exactly. He doesn't even specify exactly when and where the meeting took place. He chose to not use a smart phone or tape recorder to record the claimed question and answer. And the way he tried expressing himself was so slow and long winded that I decided I had better things to do.mirkwood wrote:Who is the actual source/speaker in this video?
Because it goes against your paradigm.brianj wrote:My thought exactly. He doesn't even specify exactly when and where the meeting took place. He chose to not use a smart phone or tape recorder to record the claimed question and answer. And the way he tried expressing himself was so slow and long winded that I decided I had better things to do.mirkwood wrote:Who is the actual source/speaker in this video?
Wrong. When I find some anonymous or unverifiable statement that supports my beliefs I usually either don't pass it along or point out the dubious nature. When I come across a video, even if that video is quoting general authorities or scripture, if it is one of those things where somebody holds one page at a time or where three seconds worth of reading is put on the screen for 30 seconds, I lose interest and find something else to occupy my time. I am aware of confirmation bias and I tend to overreact by holding confirming data to a higher standard of validation.thisisspartaaa wrote:Because it goes against your paradigm.brianj wrote:My thought exactly. He doesn't even specify exactly when and where the meeting took place. He chose to not use a smart phone or tape recorder to record the claimed question and answer. And the way he tried expressing himself was so slow and long winded that I decided I had better things to do.mirkwood wrote:Who is the actual source/speaker in this video?
In this we agree.brianj wrote:
When I find some anonymous or unverifiable statement that supports my beliefs I usually either don't pass it along or point out the dubious nature.
brianj wrote:Wrong. When I find some anonymous or unverifiable statement that supports my beliefs I usually either don't pass it along or point out the dubious nature. When I come across a video, even if that video is quoting general authorities or scripture, if it is one of those things where somebody holds one page at a time or where three seconds worth of reading is put on the screen for 30 seconds, I lose interest and find something else to occupy my time. I am aware of confirmation bias and I tend to overreact by holding confirming data to a higher standard of validation.thisisspartaaa wrote:Because it goes against your paradigm.brianj wrote:My thought exactly. He doesn't even specify exactly when and where the meeting took place. He chose to not use a smart phone or tape recorder to record the claimed question and answer. And the way he tried expressing himself was so slow and long winded that I decided I had better things to do.mirkwood wrote:Who is the actual source/speaker in this video?
If this really happened I would have wanted to ask Elder Holland a follow-up question. "Sir, in 1883, then Elder Woodruff prophesied of New York being destroyed by an earthquake, Boston being swept into the sea, and Albany being burned. If there is to be no form of gathering, what of Saints in those cities and other cities that will be destroyed? Since the Los Angeles area is a hotbed of pornography and other forms of wickedness, should we just plan to die when the prophesied destructions come?"
If the Chinese and Russians invade and according to these ridiculously silly non-prophecies the US gov't will have no response whatsoever, where will you go??? You think you can hide from them in Heber? Let me get this straight. The Chi / Rus have the capability to completely overwhelm the combined US forces but son't have the ability tot find refugees hiding in the woods 30 miles from a population center? Really?Matchmaker wrote:Even if the Church doesn't issue a mass-exodus decree to everyone in the event of a calamity, I'm believing that an individual's common sense (and inspiration from the Holy Spirit) will prevail in certain circumstances. If the damn breaks up yonder, one might want to head for high ground. We shouldn't need to be commanded in all things.
If one doesn't have resources to resist an attacking force, I think the natural inclination is to flee. It doesn't always work, but sometimes it can buy you time. Often the military is more interested in capturing resources and strategic targets than they are in chasing after a bunch of rag-tag people who are fleeing the area ahead of their arrival.DesertWonderer wrote:If the Chinese and Russians invade and according to these ridiculously silly non-prophecies the US gov't will have no response whatsoever, where will you go??? You think you can hide from them in Heber? Let me get this straight. The Chi / Rus have the capability to completely overwhelm the combined US forces but son't have the ability tot find refugees hiding in the woods 30 miles from a population center? Really?Matchmaker wrote:Even if the Church doesn't issue a mass-exodus decree to everyone in the event of a calamity, I'm believing that an individual's common sense (and inspiration from the Holy Spirit) will prevail in certain circumstances. If the damn breaks up yonder, one might want to head for high ground. We shouldn't need to be commanded in all things.
Here's the problem: I have two real friends in Utah, neither of whom would let me move in with them (one is a single female, the other is away from home and his wife four to five days per week). I have no family in Utah or elsewhere in the region, and I have no other friends in the region. Right now I don't even have enough money to spend a week in a cheap hotel. So if things do go really bad, where do I go?Matchmaker wrote:Even if the Church doesn't issue a mass-exodus decree to everyone in the event of a calamity, I'm believing that an individual's common sense (and inspiration from the Holy Spirit) will prevail in certain circumstances. If the damn breaks up yonder, one might want to head for high ground. We shouldn't need to be commanded in all things.
C'mon DesertWonderer. Invisible shields and floating laser tanks. The russkies don't stand a chance.DesertWonderer wrote:If the Chinese and Russians invade and according to these ridiculously silly non-prophecies the US gov't will have no response whatsoever, where will you go??? You think you can hide from them in Heber? Let me get this straight. The Chi / Rus have the capability to completely overwhelm the combined US forces but son't have the ability tot find refugees hiding in the woods 30 miles from a population center? Really?Matchmaker wrote:Even if the Church doesn't issue a mass-exodus decree to everyone in the event of a calamity, I'm believing that an individual's common sense (and inspiration from the Holy Spirit) will prevail in certain circumstances. If the damn breaks up yonder, one might want to head for high ground. We shouldn't need to be commanded in all things.
But you give credibility to a person who says she had an NDE by talking to some dude named John. And you listen to her interviews with her blubbering and crying and rambling on and on. Whatever.brianj wrote:Wrong. When I find some anonymous or unverifiable statement that supports my beliefs I usually either don't pass it along or point out the dubious nature. When I come across a video, even if that video is quoting general authorities or scripture, if it is one of those things where somebody holds one page at a time or where three seconds worth of reading is put on the screen for 30 seconds, I lose interest and find something else to occupy my time. I am aware of confirmation bias and I tend to overreact by holding confirming data to a higher standard of validation.thisisspartaaa wrote:Because it goes against your paradigm.brianj wrote:My thought exactly. He doesn't even specify exactly when and where the meeting took place. He chose to not use a smart phone or tape recorder to record the claimed question and answer. And the way he tried expressing himself was so slow and long winded that I decided I had better things to do.mirkwood wrote:Who is the actual source/speaker in this video?
If this really happened I would have wanted to ask Elder Holland a follow-up question. "Sir, in 1883, then Elder Woodruff prophesied of New York being destroyed by an earthquake, Boston being swept into the sea, and Albany being burned. If there is to be no form of gathering, what of Saints in those cities and other cities that will be destroyed? Since the Los Angeles area is a hotbed of pornography and other forms of wickedness, should we just plan to die when the prophesied destructions come?"
He posts under the name 'LDSMarco' here and on AVOW, Facebook, YouTube, etc. That's his voice you hear in the OP. Here are a couple of links -mirkwood wrote:Who is the actual source/speaker in this video?
That's funny... I read two of Rowe's three books, listened to several radio interviews, listened to her in person, and never once do I recall any reference to every church member worldwide being told to gather. I only recall a nationwide gathering being described.thisisspartaaa wrote:Your question also doesn't make sense to me. There is a difference between a mass church-wide call out and specific areas facing disasters. I don't think anybody is arguing against specific areas. What I got out of the answer from Elder Holland is that this would not occur on a church-wide level.
That is not what the Julie Rowe and other Prophets of Doom are saying.
Hear it again. It's dated.. not sure if I did say where .. but it was in Cerritos Stakebrianj wrote:My thought exactly. He doesn't even specify exactly when and where the meeting took place. He chose to not use a smart phone or tape recorder to record the claimed question and answer. And the way he tried expressing himself was so slow and long winded that I decided I had better things to do.mirkwood wrote:Who is the actual source/speaker in this video?
