Star of Bethlehem DVD... is it correct?

[Kingdom of ZIONcaptain of 100]

It is found at http://www.bethlehemstar.net/. It is also on You tube for free in six parts. I have owned a copy for years, but I was wondering how many here have see it. How many have studied it out to determine if the author is correct on his dates? I have my own opinion... that I will share in time. It is very well produced and very well researched.

Shalom

[durangoutcaptain of 1,000]

OK; I'll bite: What date for what event?

[Sarielcaptain of 100]

OK; I'll bite: What date for what event?

[Kingdom of ZIONcaptain of 100]

OK; I'll bite: What date for what event?

OK; I'll bite: What date for what event?

It is not like I was saying that he had it right as to the year or month of His birth, or for that matter, the year and month and even day of His death. I was sharing a very very good insightful DVD on the Star of Bethlehem. His research though he is an Attorney (scribe/pharisee) is the best I have seen. It addresses the misprinting of Josephus death of Herod and the year the Messiah was most likely born. I believe he hit the day and month of the Crucifixion, and even the hour, but the year, I am still at disagreement that both the birth year and death year are correct! For either one is correct or the other. I do not subscribe to the death year by personal revelation, I believe it had to be three years earlier than he thinks.

Watch the DVD on YouTube and then lets discuss what you think and compare notes.

Shalom

[Kingdom of ZIONcaptain of 100]

I pasted the link to make it easier for you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGeSRyzN49Q

[Kingdom of ZIONcaptain of 100]

I guess no one is interested in even looking into this topic.

[durangoutcaptain of 1,000]

How about these dates?

Annunciation Sun 13 Jun 2 BC am
Conception of Christ Tue 15 Jun 2 BC pm*
John the Baptist b. Wed 6 Oct 2 BC pm*
Jesus born Wed 5 Apr 1 BC pm*
Jesus circumcized Wed 12 Apr 1 BC
Jesus to priest Sun 14 May 1 BC am
Wise Men Visit Sat 27 May 1 BC pm*
Flight to Egypt Wed 5 Jul 1 BC pm*
Return From Egypt Thu 22 Mar AD 1
Jesus baptized Sat 6 Oct AD 29 pm
Prep. Ministry Thu 15 Nov AD 29
Public Ministry Sat 6 Apr AD 30 pm
Transfiguration Sat 2 Oct 32 pm
Jesus Crucified Fri 1 Apr AD 33 pm
Spirit World Sat 2 Apr AD 33
Resurrection Sun 3 Apr AD 33 am*

[sadie_Mormoncaptain of 1,000]

I watched/listened to it while I was working but of course I'm not focused on it when I multi task. It sounds very interesting and I will give it my full attention this Saturday when I have more time.

[HenryHi, I'm new.]

Wow! Thanks for posting this. Watched and loved it. Really ties in with Pratt's work.
LIked the suggestion in the video presentation for the astronomical program.

Especially liked the clarification given on Herod and his death date as given by
Josephus in the earlier editions--that it was changed from the original.

Thanks again for a great post. I'm sure others agree. They just need time to check it out!

Ok, here's one for you...

The Greek translation states in Luke not that "there was no room in the inn", but that
they laid Him in a manger," because the room was not furnished", grammatically meaning, the
room was not furnished with a crib. Joseph and Mary would not have had a shortage of
significant relatives, being of the royal lineage house of David (paying their taxes) on both sides.
It seems unreasonable that they would be shopping for a hotel. It seems their relatives would have
welcomed them into their household. The star shone over a house in Bethlehem.

If there is any validity in this translation variation, it could make for a very different first Christmas
than the one we learn by tradition.

[Gadcaptain of 1,000]

I intend to look at the video. I have found KoZ to have great insights. It is just easier and quicker for me to absorb text things because I don't have to find a quiet spot to listen to videos.

[Kingdom of ZIONcaptain of 100]

Postby durangout » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:22 am
How about these dates?

Annunciation Sun 13 Jun 2 BC am
Conception of Christ Tue 15 Jun 2 BC pm*
John the Baptist b. Wed 6 Oct 2 BC pm*
Jesus born Wed 5 Apr 1 BC pm*
Jesus circumcized Wed 12 Apr 1 BC
Jesus to priest Sun 14 May 1 BC am
Wise Men Visit Sat 27 May 1 BC pm*
Flight to Egypt Wed 5 Jul 1 BC pm*
Return From Egypt Thu 22 Mar AD 1
Jesus baptized Sat 6 Oct AD 29 pm
Prep. Ministry Thu 15 Nov AD 29
Public Ministry Sat 6 Apr AD 30 pm
Transfiguration Sat 2 Oct 32 pm
Jesus Crucified Fri 1 Apr AD 33 pm
Spirit World Sat 2 Apr AD 33
Resurrection Sun 3 Apr AD 33 am*

Well, I would think most would agree that the Messiah was Resurrected on April 6th... I for one know this to be true. As for the years, that is the real question here!?!?!?!

Shalom

[Kingdom of ZIONcaptain of 100]

Wow! Thanks for posting this. Watched and loved it. Really ties in with Pratt's work.
LIked the suggestion in the video presentation for the astronomical program.

Especially liked the clarification given on Herod and his death date as given by
Josephus in the earlier editions--that it was changed from the original.

Thanks again for a great post. I'm sure others agree. They just need time to check it out!

Ok, here's one for you...

The Greek translation states in Luke not that "there was no room in the inn", but that
they laid Him in a manger," because the room was not furnished", grammatically meaning, the
room was not furnished with a crib. Joseph and Mary would not have had a shortage of
significant relatives, being of the royal lineage house of David (paying their taxes) on both sides.
It seems unreasonable that they would be shopping for a hotel. It seems their relatives would have
welcomed them into their household. The star shone over a house in Bethlehem.

If there is any validity in this translation variation, it could make for a very different first Christmas
than the one we learn by tradition.

Actually I do not believe it happened in December or that Christmas is anything other than a pagan ritual dressed up with a new makeover by Christians first and then Babylon. Whether the Messiah was born in a cave, tent, or under the stars, does not disturb the truth of His divine birth. Accounts in history after the fact can change easily... I can not even write about my own personal revelations without a different version being told each time I try to write the account.

[durangoutcaptain of 1,000]

"my own personal revelations " Like what for example?

[Kingdom of ZIONcaptain of 100]

"my own personal revelations " Like what for example?

Years ago when I was at the time faithfully praying three times a day toward the house of the Lord and offing up signs and penalties... I was praying on a ridge above the Manti Temple, on April 3th, 1992. I was shown seven step to a door, and was given to know that on the other side of the door was great knowledge of the Temple Endowment. While I was looking at the door, noticing the trim, and pondering what I had been told, those whom I were with that day were reaching the ridge and I ended my offering and prayer.

Within six months, I had quit a job I had had for 18 years, sold my home, and ended up living nearby the city of Manti, not by any plan I had or design. As the years passed I came to understand I could not leave this area and that the steps were years. Even though I was slowing being taught different principles, on Passover, April 3, 1998 a light went on and I knew what that great knowledge of the Temple Endowment was. It took another whole year to receive each little aspect, allegory, hidden meaning and to write it all down... you have read my posts, English at times is more like ma second language to me. It is not my gift. On the following Passover, 7 years to the day, April 3, 1998 I completed the KoZ Endowment. It was a revelation to me and has been a blessing to many who have been allowed over the years to read it.

Now if I wrote this account on receiving this revelation next week or next year, it would most assuredly have different elements or ordering the telling of the account of receiving this Revelation. I have shared this account over the years, and I have read the different accounts, and know how easily this is done personally. So I speak from experience.

There will be those who will be asking themselves why am I answering durangout publicly? When I figured out what he was asking... it took me a minute for whatever reason, I felt impressed to inquire of the Lord so I asked, should I response privately or not at all and what experience should I share. I was told the receiving of the KoZ Endowment Ceremony and to do it publicly. I have done what I was told.

Shalom

[durangoutcaptain of 1,000]

"my own personal revelations " Like what for example?

Years ago when I was at the time faithfully praying three times a day toward the house of the Lord and offing up signs and penalties... I was praying on a ridge above the Manti Temple, on April 3th, 1992. I was shown seven step to a door, and was given to know that on the other side of the door was great knowledge of the Temple Endowment. While I was looking at the door, noticing the trim, and pondering what I had been told, those whom I were with that day were reaching the ridge and I ended my offering and prayer.

Within six months, I had quit a job I had had for 18 years, sold my home, and ended up living nearby the city of Manti, not by any plan I had or design. As the years passed I came to understand I could not leave this area and that the steps were years. Even though I was slowing being taught different principles, on Passover, April 3, 1998 a light went on and I knew what that great knowledge of the Temple Endowment was. It took another whole year to receive each little aspect, allegory, hidden meaning and to write it all down... you have read my posts, English at times is more like ma second language to me. It is not my gift. On the following Passover, 7 years to the day, April 3, 1998 I completed the KoZ Endowment. It was a revelation to me and has been a blessing to many who have been allowed over the years to read it.

Now if I wrote this account on receiving this revelation next week or next year, it would most assuredly have different elements or ordering the telling of the account of receiving this Revelation. I have shared this account over the years, and I have read the different accounts, and know how easily this is done personally. So I speak from experience.

There will be those who will be asking themselves why am I answering durangout publicly? When I figured out what he was asking... it took me a minute for whatever reason, I felt impressed to inquire of the Lord so I asked, should I response privately or not at all and what experience should I share. I was told the receiving of the KoZ Endowment Ceremony and to do it publicly. I have done what I was told.

Shalom

Very interesting.

[durangoutcaptain of 1,000]

Postby durangout » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:22 am
How about these dates?

Annunciation Sun 13 Jun 2 BC am
Conception of Christ Tue 15 Jun 2 BC pm*
John the Baptist b. Wed 6 Oct 2 BC pm*
Jesus born Wed 5 Apr 1 BC pm*
Jesus circumcized Wed 12 Apr 1 BC
Jesus to priest Sun 14 May 1 BC am
Wise Men Visit Sat 27 May 1 BC pm*
Flight to Egypt Wed 5 Jul 1 BC pm*
Return From Egypt Thu 22 Mar AD 1
Jesus baptized Sat 6 Oct AD 29 pm
Prep. Ministry Thu 15 Nov AD 29
Public Ministry Sat 6 Apr AD 30 pm
Transfiguration Sat 2 Oct 32 pm
Jesus Crucified Fri 1 Apr AD 33 pm
Spirit World Sat 2 Apr AD 33
Resurrection Sun 3 Apr AD 33 am*

Well, I would think most would agree that the Messiah was Resurrected on April 6th... I for one know this to be true. As for the years, that is the real question here!?!?!?!

Shalom

I'm quite confident the year was 33 Ad. I'm also quite confident that the video is of not much value, but thanks for sharing.

[Gadcaptain of 1,000]

I finally finished watching this. I like it a lot. John Pratt (lds) has written many things similar to this. http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/index.html

That is a list of a lot of his articles if anyone is interested.