Coca-Cola arrives at LDS Business College, but BYU stays on no-caffeine wagon

[BeNotDeceived]

Stacks of sugar ...



WHO urges global action to curtail consumption and health impacts of sugary drinks

11 OCTOBER 2016 | GENEVA - Taxing sugary drinks can lower consumption and reduce obesity, type 2 diabetes and tooth decay, says a new WHO report.

Fiscal policies that lead to at least a 20% increase in the retail price of sugary drinks would result in proportional reductions in consumption of such products, according to the report titled “Fiscal policies for Diet and Prevention of Noncommunicable Diseases (NCDs)”.

Reduced consumption of sugary drinks means lower intake of “free sugars” and calories overall, improved nutrition and fewer people suffering from overweight, obesity, diabetes and tooth decay.

Free sugars refer to monosaccharides (such as glucose or fructose) and disaccharides (such as sucrose or table sugar) added to foods and drinks by the manufacturer, cook, or consumer, and sugars naturally present in honey, syrups, fruit juices, and fruit juice concentrates.

Obesity on the rise

“Consumption of free sugars, including products like sugary drinks, is a major factor in the global increase of people suffering from obesity and diabetes,” says Dr Douglas Bettcher, Director of WHO’s Department for the Prevention of NCDs. “If governments tax products like sugary drinks, they can reduce suffering and save lives. They can also cut healthcare costs and increase revenues to invest in health services.” ... :ymhug: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/rel ... drinks/en/

[Silver]

I am tired of taxes. I pay a fortune in taxes! Today, I pay $140,000.00 STAMP DUTY on a recent property purchase! I cannot believe I am paying this to the Government on top of an already inflated property price. Add this to Land Tax, Capitol Gains Tax etc etc etc

OK, I know I have previously sent some strongly worded posts in your direction, but that's all behind us now, OK? Because would you, um, adopt me?

[Elizabeth]

No. I already have six children, and nineteen grandchildren and yet more to come.

[Silver]

No. I already have six children, and nineteen grandchildren and more to come.

Then I would be Lucky 7!

[Elizabeth]

I have a beautiful single daughter though I am hoping she can find a worthy LDS man who will love her for herself.

[Silver]

I have a beautiful single daughter though I am hoping she can find a worthy LDS man who will love her for herself.

Sorry, I'm already happily married. Good luck with finding a great son-in-law.

[Irrelevant]

Those who choose to consume caffeinated drinks do not seem to care that others choose not to. Why do some who choose not to drink them care so much that some do? Why agonize over something that doesn't affect your own salvation?

[BeNotDeceived]

Those who choose to consume caffeinated drinks do not seem to care that others choose not to. Why do some who choose not to drink them care so much that some do? Why agonize over something that doesn't affect your own salvation?

Energy drinks are sold to children without even having to disclose the quantity of caffeine or other harmful ingredients.

Why not prevent sale to minors.

[Elizabeth]

Yes, and in the case of LDS leaders who set an example to others who follow, which is a grave responsibility in itself... their choice to partake of any substance detrimental to the body and which is addictive, also undermines the faith others have in what they teach.

Those who choose to consume caffeinated drinks do not seem to care that others choose not to. Why do some who choose not to drink them care so much that some do? Why agonize over something that doesn't affect your own salvation?

Energy drinks are sold to children without even having to disclose the quantity of caffeine or other harmful ingredients.

Why not prevent sale to minors.

[Irrelevant]

Those who choose to consume caffeinated drinks do not seem to care that others choose not to. Why do some who choose not to drink them care so much that some do? Why agonize over something that doesn't affect your own salvation?

Energy drinks are sold to children without even having to disclose the quantity of caffeine or other harmful ingredients.

Why not prevent sale to minors.

Maybe I was too vague. I was referring to members of the church who feel that, based on their personal study, revelation, insights, their interpretation of words of leaders past and present, etc, partaking of caffeine is a sin or against the Word of Wisdom and take it upon themselves to criticize others who do not feel the same. My issue with the debate is treating something personal as commandment and holding everyone else accountable to it. I can't understand why people get so bent out of shape.

To answer your question: Sale to minors could be prevented, I guess. However, I feel it more important as a parent to teach my children, talk about what we put in our bodies, and when appropriate, allow them to use agency to decide for themselves, all while following the promptings of the Holy Sprit. As parents, we are accountable for teaching our Father's children how to know truth- how to pray, how to study things out, how to learn of Him, and how to make good choices. We are to teach them about agency. If we succeed in this, and minors purchasing energy drinks is bad, then they will know it and use their agency to not partake. Or maybe they won't... But at least they will understand the principle of agency, which is really why we are here in the first place.

[mirkwood]

Yes, and in the case of LDS leaders who set an example to others who follow, which is a grave responsibility in itself... their choice to partake of any substance detrimental to the body and which is addictive, also undermines the faith others have in what they teach.

Your personal interpretation of church doctrine is non-binding on the rest of the church. :-w

[BeNotDeceived]

Yes, and in the case of LDS leaders who set an example to others who follow, which is a grave responsibility in itself... their choice to partake of any substance detrimental to the body and which is addictive, also undermines the faith others have in what they teach.

Your personal interpretation of church doctrine is non-binding on the rest of the church. :-w

The WOW is very much subject to interpretation; there is even a thread here that presents an interpretation where it states opposite to the popular interpretation about eating grains, etc.

By their fruits, you shall know them; this applied to members of the military means if you fat, you're not fit for service. :((

Oldest dude wins is another technique well employed. All things in moderation works for the most part with a few exceptions.

Firsthand I've felt this over emphasis by some well meaning person with a BMI obviously exceeding optimum. :))

[BeNotDeceived]

Those who choose to consume caffeinated drinks do not seem to care that others choose not to. Why do some who choose not to drink them care so much that some do? Why agonize over something that doesn't affect your own salvation?

Energy drinks are sold to children without even having to disclose the quantity of caffeine or other harmful ingredients.

Why not prevent sale to minors.

Maybe I was too vague. I was referring to members of the church who feel that, based on their personal study, revelation, insights, their interpretation of words of leaders past and present, etc, partaking of caffeine is a sin or against the Word of Wisdom and take it upon themselves to criticize others who do not feel the same. My issue with the debate is treating something personal as commandment and holding everyone else accountable to it. I can't understand why people get so bent out of shape.

To answer your question: Sale to minors could be prevented, I guess. However, I feel it more important as a parent to teach my children, talk about what we put in our bodies, and when appropriate, allow them to use agency to decide for themselves, all while following the promptings of the Holy Sprit. As parents, we are accountable for teaching our Father's children how to know truth- how to pray, how to study things out, how to learn of Him, and how to make good choices. We are to teach them about agency. If we succeed in this, and minors purchasing energy drinks is bad, then they will know it and use their agency to not partake. Or maybe they won't... But at least they will understand the principle of agency, which is really why we are here in the first place.

The amount of caffeine isn't on the label, so how do you know?

Also kids often buy stuff without any parent around, and many have parents that are less than optimal.

... the manual states: “Leaders teach correct principles and help those they lead learn to govern themselves” (Ibid.). https://1eternalround.blogspot.com/2017 ... s-and.html

It is our choice and decision what is best for us and the only things clearly prohibited are alcohol and tobacco.

By their fruits you will know them applies to actions too.

1. When You Give Up Carbs...You Start Burning Fat
2. When You Give Up Carbs...You Feel Less Hungry
3. When You Give Up Carbs...Your Belly Gets Flatter
4. When You Give Up Carbs...You Slash Your Risk of Diabetes
5. When You Give Up Carbs...Your Muscles Get Stronger
6. When You Give Up Carbs...You Feel More Energized

http://time.com/4021985/simple-carbohydrates/

[Irrelevant]

Those who choose to consume caffeinated drinks do not seem to care that others choose not to. Why do some who choose not to drink them care so much that some do? Why agonize over something that doesn't affect your own salvation?

Energy drinks are sold to children without even having to disclose the quantity of caffeine or other harmful ingredients.

Why not prevent sale to minors.

Maybe I was too vague. I was referring to members of the church who feel that, based on their personal study, revelation, insights, their interpretation of words of leaders past and present, etc, partaking of caffeine is a sin or against the Word of Wisdom and take it upon themselves to criticize others who do not feel the same. My issue with the debate is treating something personal as commandment and holding everyone else accountable to it. I can't understand why people get so bent out of shape.

To answer your question: Sale to minors could be prevented, I guess. However, I feel it more important as a parent to teach my children, talk about what we put in our bodies, and when appropriate, allow them to use agency to decide for themselves, all while following the promptings of the Holy Sprit. As parents, we are accountable for teaching our Father's children how to know truth- how to pray, how to study things out, how to learn of Him, and how to make good choices. We are to teach them about agency. If we succeed in this, and minors purchasing energy drinks is bad, then they will know it and use their agency to not partake. Or maybe they won't... But at least they will understand the principle of agency, which is really why we are here in the first place.

The amount of caffeine isn't on the label, so how do you know?
How do I know what? If something is bad for my child? By "following the promptings of the Holy Spirit" and good sense.
Or how much caffeine something contains? As far as I can tell (I don't drink energy drinks and rarely soda of any kind as I prefer to ingest my sugar in ice cream) most things actually do have it on the label- if not,
Google. But I don't really care to know. My kids are quite energetic as it is. They certainly do not need help!

Also kids often buy stuff without any parent around, and many have parents that are less than optimal.
True. Do you propose carding them?

... the manual states: “Leaders teach correct principles and help those they lead learn to govern themselves” (Ibid.). https://1eternalround.blogspot.com/2017 ... s-and.html


It is our choice and decision what is best for us and the only things clearly prohibited are alcohol and tobacco.
I've read plenty of posts on here to know not to open that can of worms, ha ha.

By their fruits you will know them applies to actions too.
Actions as well as words, right? Agreed.

1. When You Give Up Carbs...You Start Burning Fat
2. When You Give Up Carbs...You Feel Less Hungry
3. When You Give Up Carbs...Your Belly Gets Flatter
4. When You Give Up Carbs...You Slash Your Risk of Diabetes
5. When You Give Up Carbs...Your Muscles Get Stronger
6. When You Give Up Carbs...You Feel More Energized

http://time.com/4021985/simple-carbohydrates/

My Dad have up carbs and lost a ton of weight but boy was he lethargic! If you choose to give them up that's fantastic! But I don't know if I could live in a world without cake, cookies, donuts... All of the good stuff has carbs!!

[Joel]

[Elizabeth]

[mirkwood]

Honestly, what is your testimony based on?

[Irrelevant]

=))

[BeNotDeceived]

The amount of caffeine isn't on the label; how do you know?

How do I know what? If something is bad for my child? By "following the promptings of the Holy Spirit" and good sense.
Or how much caffeine something contains? As far as I can tell (I don't drink energy drinks and rarely soda of any kind as I prefer to ingest my sugar in ice cream) most things actually do have it on the label- if not, Google. But I don't really care to know. My kids are quite energetic as it is. They certainly do not need help!

Also kids often buy stuff without any parent around, and many have parents that are less than optimal.

True. Do you propose carding them?

Yes, beyond a certain mass/volume, which now is impossible to know due to lack of labeling. Kids can't buy other detrimental substances, why not caffeine?

Your answer only addressed you and your kids at the current time, hardly a way to optimize public policy for everyone.

[LukeAir2008]

This is such a typical Mormon Pharisee diversion tactic. Make a big deal about something which has no significance whatsoever, pick on a specific brand name - Coca Cola - while ignoring all of the many other caffeinated drinks - Mountain Dew being far worse than Coke. Don't mention the real problem and actual violation of the Word of Wisdom which is the vast consumption of MEAT and the slaughter of literally billions of animals every year in direct disobedience to the instruction of God.

[Elizabeth]

Personally, I rarely if ever eat meat. I endeavour to be aware of the ingredients of everything I consume, and choose only that which seems to be as healthy as it is possible to be and in minimal proportions. I also avoid medical procedures and prescriptions if possible.

[Elizabeth]

"With the appearance of cola drinks in the early 1900s, the Church was confronted with cold beverages containing caffeine, a harmful substance believed to make coffee and tea unacceptable. While no official Church position has been stated, leaders have counselled members to avoid caffeine and other addictive chemicals.

Church leaders universally caution against any use of such drugs as marijuana and cocaine and the abuse of prescription drugs. While none of these substances are mentioned specifically in the Word of Wisdom, the concept of the sanctity of the body and the deleterious effects of chemical substances on it have been emphasised as an extension of the Word of Wisdom."


http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Word_of_Wisdom

[mirkwood]

...and they serve soda in the temple. Imagine that...

[Elizabeth]

https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and ... s?lang=eng

[Elizabeth]

https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and ... m?lang=eng

"It is not necessary to be commanded in all things. With the guidelines the Lord has given in this revelation, we should have little difficulty in determining both what and how much we can wisely eat.

“In another revelation (Sec. 59) we are told they are not to be used ‘to excess, neither by extortion.’ The difficulty with most of the human family, is eating too much, and failing to heed his counsel. There would be less disease and mankind would live longer if all would also heed the counsel of the Lord concerning the use of wholesome foods.”