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jonholb55
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Why I Support the Constitution Party.

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There is really no material difference between the Republican and Democratic Parties. The recent vote on the financial bailout proves the point. However, I must commend Rep. Rob Bishop (R) and Rep. Jim Matheson (D) for voting both times against the bailout.
How can you go to the floor of the House of Repesentatives, describe the bill as a "crap sandwich" and then say that you must vote for it anyway? It shows lack of integrity and shows that the House and Senate were:
(1) Bought off.
(2) Trying to cover their own butts.
(3) Trying to shift the blame for the fiasco.
The stock market has replied to the Wall Street and Governmental Bailout Bill by going down more than 400 points as of the time that I am writing this message.
The Constitution Party with Dr. Charles Baldwin as its Presidential Candidate, has sworn to uphold the platform of the Party which is the Constitution itself.
The Republican and Democratic Parties have been the only two parties in control for the last 35 plus years. They saw the problem comming but did nothing to stop it. In fact, their policies made the current financial collapse a reality. We cannot let the people who created the problem remain in power! It is time that we wipe the slate clean and start over with a new poliical party with a radical idea that will work which is:
(1) Apply Constitutional Principles as envisioned by the Founding Fathers.
(2) Apply and live by the "Rule of Law".
(3) Apply God's Law as revealed in the Scriptures and by Latter-day Prophets.
Thank-you and God bless.

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ChelC
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I will never be loyal to a party again, but to your reasons I say amen and amen.

I have decided to give my vote to Chuck Baldwin as well. I'd been leaning that way for quite some time now and it was his column on the bailout which gave me the final push.

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I'm certainly gald that you liove in a state where the CP has ballot position. The NCCP wasn't even able to gather 500 signatures to have Baldwin as a legal write-in candidate.

BUT Bob Barr is on the ballot so I will be voting for him.

jonholb55
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In the 1850's, there were two political parties, the Whigs and the Democrats. Neither party could successfully address the problems that were facing the United States. A Prophet of God, Joseph Smith, discussed these important issues in his own 1844 bid to be the President of the United States. The response was to manipulate the legal and political process to make Joseph and Hyrum Smith sitting ducks for the mob to assassinate on 27 June 1844 in Carthage, Illinois. The United States has paid a heavy price for being complicent in spilling the Blood of the Prophets.
John Taylor received a martyr's crown two times; once at Cathage and a second time when he died a martyr during his days in "The Underground', defending the principles, practices and doctrines of the Restoration. The Prophet Joseph gave John Taylor the title, "Defender of Liberty", because he was such a strong proponent of the U.S. Constitution.
We need to follow the example of John Taylor, a true prophet of God , as we defend our religion, our families, our home and our Country.
The Constitution Party is the only political party that defends these same principles. If you have not had a chance to review the platform of the Constitution Party, I invite you to do so before 4 November 2008.
Thank-You

jonholb55
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John Taylor was given the Title; "Champion of Liberty", not "Defender of Liberty". My mistake.

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jonholb, FYI, when I ran for NC Governor in 2000 on the Reform Party ticket (the CP didn't and never has had ballot status in NC), my platform was largely adopted from the CP National platform. So, yes the CP has a great platform but can't seem to get it's act together, very much so here in NC.

Now... how many official members does the CP have? IF these members really believed in the CP (walkers not just rtalkers) they would each give a $1000 to Baldwin. With that kind of money, Baldwin could buy serious media time and become KNOWN.

I have given $1000+ to the Barr Campaign. Others have also and Barr is now running National radio ads and some sectional/state TV ads. He is getting more and more national MSM coverage with his stand against the bailouts and his specific plans for restoring financial strength to America are starting to take traction among voters. It's time for Baldwin and the CP to throw their support behind Barr and then build the party for 2010 elections.

So to all CP members... put up or shut up.

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I have given to local CP and LP candidates. I gave the most to Ron Paul. Before that I even donated to Romney and had to repent... *sigh*

So money money money... Babylon Babylon Babylon. Oh how I wish it was about good and wise men and not who has the most money

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a-train
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I personally don't find myself connected to any party, nor do I find any reason to be so connected.

-a-train

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a-train, I fully understand you feelings BUT, helping to build up a Constitution committed party is what JS would have you do. Rememebr, he started his own party when he ran for President thus setting us the example.

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a-train wrote:I personally don't find myself connected to any party, nor do I find any reason to be so connected.

-a-train
Same here. I donated to Ron Paul and switched over from Independent to Republican to vote for him in the primary, but I will switch back.
I am donating and voting to Baldwin and plan to vote for Libertarians and CP candidates primarily in our local races, and one Democrat (maybe) and one or two Republicans. There are a lot of "NO INCUMBENT" signs up around our area. Love seeing them.

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a-train wrote:I personally don't find myself connected to any party, nor do I find any reason to be so connected.

-a-train
Brian's new video on YouTube covers this so well. I am an Independent American. I think for myself and do not use party lines for any decisions anymore.

I also agree with my ancestor George Washington NO POLITICAL PARTIES!!

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prew
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If you vote for a third party, you are throwing your vote away and allowing <other party candidate> to win.
Just vote for the lesser of two evils.

(so said some people to me as we talked.)

So If I vote for the lesser of two evils, then I am evil or I support evil. If you think about it, that is what you said.
Last Fast Sunday, the bishopric read a 1st presidency message about voting for candidates that follow gospel principles more exactly. If both major parties are evil, then I am not following the prophets and throwing my vote away when I vote Republican or Democratic.

Just my opinion.

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Prew, more than just an opinion... IT IS THE TRUTH!!!!

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WYp8riot
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And we are preaching to the Choir here, LOL. Can we knock our fellow members in the head with a brick and then repent?

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truthseeds
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hiddentreasuredotws wrote:And we are preaching to the Choir here, LOL. Can we knock our fellow members in the head with a brick and then repent?
:shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Captain Moroni wrote:Prew, more than just an opinion... IT IS THE TRUTH!!!!
It is the truth. Our bishopric read that message also. I thought it was very telling, but I looked around the congregation and noticed many didn't seem to even be paying attention. But, there are only two McCain signs in our whole neighborhood and zero Obama signs. But I can see McCain garnering 70%+ of the vote here in Utah anyway.

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Truthseeds, political ignorance and stupidity seems to be the lot of most LDS even with all the warnings from our GAs. Be assured that these folks will have to stand before Christ at the last day and will have NO excuse for letting God's country fall into tyranny.

jonholb55
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I have heard that argument before as well; that if you vote for a third party, you are throwing away your vote. I answer a resounding "NO"! If you vote for a political party that does not support God-given principles of the Constitution, then you have failed in your moral obligations as a U. S. Citizen
Neither John McCain nor Barack Obama are willing to stand up for the Constitution per the original intent, the Rule of Law or the Judeo-Christian ethic that has made this land "Blessed above all other lands". I took advantage of early voting in my home county and proudly voted a straight Constitution Party Ticket. I prayed about my decision before I went to the polls. I couldn't vote for the Democrats because they have become European-style socialists. I couldn't vote for the Republicans under Bush and McCain because they are also socialists under the banner of fascism.
Thank-You

lundbaek
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I recently received the following request from the U.S. Constitution Party:

"When Did You Say "I've Had Enough"?
"The Constitution Party wants YOU to share your story! Send us a YouTube video, podcast,blog entry, Letter to the Editor, article or email that briefly explains when or why you left your former political party and what finally convinced you it was time to move on.

"Was it a long, slow process after being disappointed time and again by candidates from one party or another? Did one event lead to your exodus from a life-long political affiliation? Did someone who'd 'been-there, done-that' have an impact on your decision?
*******************************************************************
My response:

As an active member of the Mormon Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), I, like all other Mormons, am under what I understand is a commandment from God to "befriend" the constitutional law of the United States of America. David O. McKay, one of the late Presidents of the Mormon Church, once stated that "Next to being one in worshipping God, there is nothing in this world upon which this Church should be more united than in upholding and defending the Constitution of the United States!" It is a tenet of our faith that the Lord established the Constitution of this land by the hands of wise men whom He raised up unto that very purpose.

As I began to awaken to the awful situation our nation is in, including especially the loss of many of our liberties, America’s entry into undeclared and in my opinion unnecessary wars, and the increasing confiscation and misuse of our personal wealth and property, I noted that this was due mostly to actions of government that included the passage of laws, the implementation of government programs, and other actions that were clear violations of the U.S. Constitution.

In considering how I could best befriend the Constitution and secure the blessings of liberty the Lord intended for us to enjoy, I came up with the following steps which I have tried to follow:
1.) To conduct myself so as to merit the guidance of the Lord in my own actions in relation to government,
2.) To study and try to understand the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers so I could recognize whether a law, a program, or an action of government is constitutionally sound or not,
3.) To try to awaken other Americans to the dangers and tragic consequences of our failure to by governed by constitutional principles.
4.) To involve myself in civic affairs in promotion of sound moral and constitutional principles in government,
5.) To influence to the best of my ability the election of persons of sound constitutional principles to legislative, judicial and executive offices at all levels of government.

In searching for candidates, especially for U.S. President and the U.S. Congress, I was fortunate in having friends who patiently introduced me to Constitution Party candidates who, without exception, understood and espoused the U.S. Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers of the United States of America.

lundbaek
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I was re-reading the thread JonHolb started "Why I Support the Constitution Party" in search of ideas to help me explain to LDSs why they should "befriend" the US Constitution. I am focusing my efforts on LDSs especially in hopes of greater success because of D&C 98:6. I read again his statement "If you vote for a political party that does not support God-given principles of the Constitution, then you have failed in your moral obligations as a U.S. Citizen." I'm trying to find a way to politely say to LDSs that if they vote for a candidate or party that does not support God-given principles of the Constitution they are ignoring a Gospel principle. I don't want to come across as holier than thou, and accuse them of being unrighteous for not upholding the Constitution, because most of the ones I know or encounter are trying real hard to do live the principles of the gospel. But at the same time I think they are missing something that I cannot put my finger on. Any thoughts on how one can discretely and politely introduce LDSs to that well kept secret that the Constitution is a gospel principle ?

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