Marijuana killed our Son

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JohnnyL
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Spaced_Out wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 5:00 am
freedomforall wrote: August 22nd, 2017, 10:58 pm
JohnnyL wrote: August 22nd, 2017, 10:07 am
markharr wrote: August 21st, 2017, 7:54 am There is no way to prevent people from abusing their free agency without adopting Satan's plan.
Education, persuasion based on fact, acceptance, etc., could help a lot.
Refraining from its use is much, much better. It like beer or whiskey, or some other potentially habit forming substance....if one never takes the first one, one never has to worry about a second. And this I lived by while in Vietnam. MJ was prevalent.
Agree, it is also mostly the spiritual aspect of it. Breaking the key elements of the Word of wisdom usually leads to other sins like chastity, drug dependency, theft etc.. and driving a vehicle under influence endangering other peoples lives.
No way one can have the HG as a companion if you mind is numbed by drugs. Cannabis often leads to other more stronger drug use, very dangerous, like saying millions of people have and do view porn, but don't look at the spiritual damage that it does.

Number one cause of death in the US for persons under 50y is due to drug abuse, it is not simply a random event - it is now being called a national emergency in the US> The hospitals are full of drug patience that are violent and take up scares resources, putting a big strain on medical facilities.
Call for reference for cannabis being a gateway drug. I've never known a pothead to "move on" to harder drugs.
How many cases of those violent drug patients are pumped full of M?

Crackers
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CelestialAngel wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 8:22 pm The word of wisdom is a wonderful thing to follow.
Agreed.

10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

Spaced_Out
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Crackers wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 8:39 pm
CelestialAngel wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 8:22 pm The word of wisdom is a wonderful thing to follow.
Agreed.

10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.
Cannabis has great many uses - smoking it our using it as a mind altering substance is not prudence.

Crackers
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Spaced_Out wrote: August 24th, 2017, 7:23 am
Crackers wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 8:39 pm
CelestialAngel wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 8:22 pm The word of wisdom is a wonderful thing to follow.
Agreed.

10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.
Cannabis has great many uses - smoking it our using it as a mind altering substance is not prudence.
Agreed.

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How to judge good from bad. Ready?

Alma 5:40-41
40 For I say unto you that whatsoever is good cometh from God, and whatsoever is evil cometh from the devil.
41 Therefore, if a man bringeth forth good works he hearkeneth unto the voice of the good shepherd, and he doth follow him; but whosoever bringeth forth evil works, the same becometh a child of the devil, for he hearkeneth unto his voice, and doth follow him.

Should anyone justify the use of MJ and still assume they're following Christ?

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freedomforall wrote: August 24th, 2017, 9:46 pm How to judge good from bad. Ready?

Alma 5:40-41
40 For I say unto you that whatsoever is good cometh from God, and whatsoever is evil cometh from the devil.
41 Therefore, if a man bringeth forth good works he hearkeneth unto the voice of the good shepherd, and he doth follow him; but whosoever bringeth forth evil works, the same becometh a child of the devil, for he hearkeneth unto his voice, and doth follow him.

Should anyone justify the use of MJ and still assume they're following Christ?
Of course. Smoking it to get high is different from using it in other forms to treat illness. It is like using a gun to protect your family verses using it for murder, or using perscription drugs for pain verses using them to satisfy an addiction. Or eating Oreos now and again because they're yummy, verses eating them every day because you can't stop yourself! Study, prudence, thoughfulness, and following the spirit can guide us in these things.

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Crackers,

That is what we are saying, that for medicinal purposes, of course its ok, but it certainly needs to be regulated, not handed out like candy.
I do believe that most of the time, saying its for medicinal purposes is an excuse to use.

Just what we need, a nation of potheads! " Pray and Watch," do not be deceived!

Crackers
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Well, a case for deregulation can certainly be made; see some of skmo's comments. I, for one, if I felt I needed to use cannabis, wouldn't want to go through the expense and time of seeing a doctor, deal with regulations set forth by any number of gov and medical (as well as potentially insurance and administrative) groups, and then have to purchase it. This can be grown. And if I need it, why should it be a crime to grow it? I have had to jump through major hoops and go through a series of doctors to get a particular medicine at a particular dosage for a loved one, because his need fell outside the range of what was considered to be typical. And this drug was generally thought to be completely benign at even large doses. I don't think we should have to deal with processes like that for a plant you can grow on your own.

Crackers
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Frankly, I'm not sure what the absolute answer is, but access is needed. Opioids are heavily regulated, but we are still undergoing epidemic abuse.

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Crackers wrote: August 25th, 2017, 8:55 am
freedomforall wrote: August 24th, 2017, 9:46 pm How to judge good from bad. Ready?

Alma 5:40-41
40 For I say unto you that whatsoever is good cometh from God, and whatsoever is evil cometh from the devil.
41 Therefore, if a man bringeth forth good works he hearkeneth unto the voice of the good shepherd, and he doth follow him; but whosoever bringeth forth evil works, the same becometh a child of the devil, for he hearkeneth unto his voice, and doth follow him.

Should anyone justify the use of MJ and still assume they're following Christ?
Of course. Smoking it to get high is different from using it in other forms to treat illness. It is like using a gun to protect your family verses using it for murder, or using perscription drugs for pain verses using them to satisfy an addiction. Or eating Oreos now and again because they're yummy, verses eating them every day because you can't stop yourself! Study, prudence, thoughfulness, and following the spirit can guide us in these things.
Did Jesus smoke MJ prior to entering the Garden of Gethsemane where he suffered to such an extent that blood came out of his pores? Did he smoke some after being tortured to the extent of having his flesh laid open to the bone? Did he ask for MJ while being stuck to a cross by nails through parts of his body?

Would the Holy Spirit tell someone to smoke MJ?

Question: Since I smoked cigarettes while in the military in the sixties and then quit prior to being released, why would I purposely put more smoke in my lungs? Here in Oregon we have cannibus shops dotting the streets as does porno shops.

Old Scratch is doing everything in his power to snare people and drag them to hell.

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eddie wrote: August 25th, 2017, 9:03 am Crackers,

That is what we are saying, that for medicinal purposes, of course its ok, but it certainly needs to be regulated, not handed out like candy.
I do believe that most of the time, saying its for medicinal purposes is an excuse to use.

Just what we need, a nation of potheads! " Pray and Watch," do not be deceived!
Like this one?

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eddie
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freedomforall wrote: August 25th, 2017, 2:27 pm
eddie wrote: August 25th, 2017, 9:03 am Crackers,

That is what we are saying, that for medicinal purposes, of course its ok, but it certainly needs to be regulated, not handed out like candy.
I do believe that most of the time, saying its for medicinal purposes is an excuse to use.

Just what we need, a nation of potheads! " Pray and Watch," do not be deceived!
Like this one?

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Wow, that girl is high on something! 👀 What a pothead! Hahaha

Ezra
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eddie wrote: August 25th, 2017, 9:03 am Crackers,

That is what we are saying, that for medicinal purposes, of course its ok, but it certainly needs to be regulated, not handed out like candy.
I do believe that most of the time, saying its for medicinal purposes is an excuse to use.

Just what we need, a nation of potheads! " Pray and Watch," do not be deceived!
WE WILL SPEND ETERNITY WITH THOSE WHO WILL ALLOW US NO MORE FREEDOM THAN WE ARE WILLING TO ALLOW THEM.
Over and over again, the scriptures emphasize that we will be judged according to our treatment of our fellowmen. If we are charitable, we will be placed with the sheep in the Lord’s kingdom rather than with the goats in outer darkness. (Matt. 25:31—46) If we forgive, we may be forgiven. (Matt.6:12) If we are just, we may rise in the resurrection of the Just: and dwell with them. (D&C Sec. 76) If we refrain from exercising compulsion unrighteously, our dominion in the hereafter may be everlasting and flow unto us forever and ever without compulsory means. (D&C Sec. 121) In short, we can expect to be treated in the next life as we treat others here.
The exact implementation of this law of the harvest will occur at the end of this life, when we will be divided into groups and each will be consigned to spend eternity with those with whom he is most like. An unjust person will dwell with those who will treat him unjustly; a kind, forgiving person will enjoy the companionship of kind and forgiving associates, etc. But the fact which is important to our discussion here is that each person will be with that group who will allow him to exercise no more freedom than he is willing to allow them.
If, during this life, we have been persuaded to believe that the force of government, or any other agency, should be used to deny our fellowmen the stewardship which God has given them over their families, their property, and their private affairs, we can be very certain that we will be placed with a group in the hereafter who will hold similar views. With such an attitude, we cannot expect to have stewardship or dominions of our own because we do not believe in them for others and neither will those with whom we will dwell believe in them for us. The poetic justice of God decrees that if we deprive our fellow of those unalienable rights which, according to the
Declaration of Independence, they have been endowed by their Creator, we will lose our free agency to the same extent.
H. Verlin. Anderson, “The Great and Abominable Church of the
Devil”

Would you rather spend eternity being regulated by others? Not smart enough to make your own choices about how to take care of yourself? Need someone else to make them for you?

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freedomforall wrote: August 25th, 2017, 2:15 pm
Crackers wrote: August 25th, 2017, 8:55 am
freedomforall wrote: August 24th, 2017, 9:46 pm How to judge good from bad. Ready?

Alma 5:40-41
40 For I say unto you that whatsoever is good cometh from God, and whatsoever is evil cometh from the devil.
41 Therefore, if a man bringeth forth good works he hearkeneth unto the voice of the good shepherd, and he doth follow him; but whosoever bringeth forth evil works, the same becometh a child of the devil, for he hearkeneth unto his voice, and doth follow him.

Should anyone justify the use of MJ and still assume they're following Christ?
Of course. Smoking it to get high is different from using it in other forms to treat illness. It is like using a gun to protect your family verses using it for murder, or using perscription drugs for pain verses using them to satisfy an addiction. Or eating Oreos now and again because they're yummy, verses eating them every day because you can't stop yourself! Study, prudence, thoughfulness, and following the spirit can guide us in these things.
Did Jesus smoke MJ prior to entering the Garden of Gethsemane where he suffered to such an extent that blood came out of his pores? Did he smoke some after being tortured to the extent of having his flesh laid open to the bone? Did he ask for MJ while being stuck to a cross by nails through parts of his body?

Would the Holy Spirit tell someone to smoke MJ?

Question: Since I smoked cigarettes while in the military in the sixties and then quit prior to being released, why would I purposely put more smoke in my lungs? Here in Oregon we have cannibus shops dotting the streets as does porno shops.

Old Scratch is doing everything in his power to snare people and drag them to hell.
No but he probably used hemp/mj oil for Anointing. wrote on hemp/mj paper. Had hemp/mj clothing and sandals. Ate hemp/mj seeds ,oil and products in bread daily. Hemp/mj seed sprouts are very good for you. More then likely had hemp/mj in the incense They burned at the temple.

Why would you smoke cigarettes?Nasty.

Jesus made hemp/mj. Used and consumed it while on earth. His creation isn't evil. But like them cigarettes you sucked down and polluted the air with people will use it not as it's intended.

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Ezra wrote: August 25th, 2017, 4:15 pm
freedomforall wrote: August 25th, 2017, 2:15 pm
Crackers wrote: August 25th, 2017, 8:55 am
freedomforall wrote: August 24th, 2017, 9:46 pm How to judge good from bad. Ready?

Alma 5:40-41
40 For I say unto you that whatsoever is good cometh from God, and whatsoever is evil cometh from the devil.
41 Therefore, if a man bringeth forth good works he hearkeneth unto the voice of the good shepherd, and he doth follow him; but whosoever bringeth forth evil works, the same becometh a child of the devil, for he hearkeneth unto his voice, and doth follow him.

Should anyone justify the use of MJ and still assume they're following Christ?
Of course. Smoking it to get high is different from using it in other forms to treat illness. It is like using a gun to protect your family verses using it for murder, or using perscription drugs for pain verses using them to satisfy an addiction. Or eating Oreos now and again because they're yummy, verses eating them every day because you can't stop yourself! Study, prudence, thoughfulness, and following the spirit can guide us in these things.
Did Jesus smoke MJ prior to entering the Garden of Gethsemane where he suffered to such an extent that blood came out of his pores? Did he smoke some after being tortured to the extent of having his flesh laid open to the bone? Did he ask for MJ while being stuck to a cross by nails through parts of his body?

Would the Holy Spirit tell someone to smoke MJ?

Question: Since I smoked cigarettes while in the military in the sixties and then quit prior to being released, why would I purposely put more smoke in my lungs? Here in Oregon we have cannibus shops dotting the streets as does porno shops.

Old Scratch is doing everything in his power to snare people and drag them to hell.
No but he probably used hemp/mj oil for Anointing. wrote on hemp/mj paper. Had hemp/mj clothing and sandals. Ate hemp/mj seeds ,oil and products in bread daily. Hemp/mj seed sprouts are very good for you. More then likely had hemp/mj in the incense They burned at the temple.

Why would you smoke cigarettes?Nasty.

Jesus made hemp/mj. Used and consumed it while on earth. His creation isn't evil. But like them cigarettes you sucked down and polluted the air with people will use it not as it's intended.
I was in the Marine Corps mind you. Went to Vietnam where fear and trepidation was rampant. Smoking and drinking was a way of life for many. I was younger and less dedicated to gospel living. I did not take offers of MJ, however, because a man must know his limitations, right? I quit smoking during the last days of my enlistment because I didn't want to go home and have my precious mother having to watch her son sucking on hufty pufties. And, I didn't like the hacking cough fits, either. I quit cold turkey because my mind was made up. Other troopers in my living area laughed at me thinking I would smoke again. They were in awe when I proved them wrong. That was 47 years ago.

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Good for you FFA, I've read that nicotine is as addicting as heroine, after a few puffs your brain is saturated with nicotine, very difficult to stop.
The gospel gives us a foundation, so making a bad choice has always weighed on my conscience and I realize my error, repent and stop the behavior because I was taught in my youth to obey the commandments of God, and yes even the Word of Wisdom.
I know Ezra has good reason for advocating legalization of marijuana, I understand where he's coming from, but my reasons for regulating it are valid also, like it or not. I will never agree that MJ should be so easily accessible or acceptable.

Crackers
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I agree, eddie, that there are valid concerns on both sides of the argument. I lean more heavily on this issue toward freedom, and justice for those in need of medical cannabis. It appears that you are more in the camp of fear of moral decline and harm to society. Both are extremely valid. And I don't see how an acceptable middle-ground is to be found. This is one issue wherein I have a hard time finding fault with the opposing argument. But I still like my side better. 😉

Baysimove
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There are some medical procedure to tell what's the cause of your son's death.

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