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GoDaddy gave them the boot and shortly after Google did also. What a great way to set a precedent. Neo-nazi/White supremacist views are probably the most hated/unpopular in our time, let's censor them first.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Stormfront.org is still flourishing. Threads: 970,030, Posts: 12,577,823, Members: 326,852 Blogs: 327, Entries: 2,608.

The White Nationalist or Separatists movement seeks freedom to live with their own race, the right to self defence and to bear arms, a safe homeland for their families... preferably in self sustained communities based on loyalty to race and nation, high moral standards and Christian values, monogamous marriage between one man and one woman, keeping ones word with honour, the rule of just law and respect for the authority of justice.

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This is how the left does things. Nobody is going to complain about taking a white supremacist website offline but if you give them the power they slowly just start changing the definition of what is white supremacist until they can take any website they want offline.

There are people who believe the LDS church is racist. How long before they give lds.org the stormfront treatment?

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markharr wrote: August 17th, 2017, 7:08 am This is how the left does things. Nobody is going to complain about taking a white supremacist website offline but if you give them the power they slowly just start changing the definition of what is white supremacist until they can take any website they want offline.

There are people who believe the LDS church is racist. How long before they give lds.org the stormfront treatment?
The left considers the Mormon Church one of the most racist, sexist and homophobic institutions in the USA. Mormons can bend over backwards...Mormons can kiss the you-know-what of the left, and you know what? They will still consider the Mormon Church one of the most racist, sexist and homophobic institutions in the USA.

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Fiannan wrote: August 17th, 2017, 7:38 am
markharr wrote: August 17th, 2017, 7:08 am This is how the left does things. Nobody is going to complain about taking a white supremacist website offline but if you give them the power they slowly just start changing the definition of what is white supremacist until they can take any website they want offline.

There are people who believe the LDS church is racist. How long before they give lds.org the stormfront treatment?
The left considers the Mormon Church one of the most racist, sexist and homophobic institutions in the USA. Mormons can bend over backwards...Mormons can kiss the you-know-what of the left, and you know what? They will still consider the Mormon Church one of the most racist, sexist and homophobic institutions in the USA.
Exactly which is why you don't want to give them that power. There are several problems with this.

The FCC determined that the internet is a utility. Who gave these companies authority to censor on behalf of the American public.

Who makes the decision?
What criteria was used to make the decision?
Is there any oversight?
Was the offending website given the opportunity to defend themselves?
Was the offending website given any notice or opportunity to correct it?
Is there a process where offending websites can appeal the decision

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Elizabeth wrote: August 16th, 2017, 11:08 pm Stormfront.org is still flourishing. Threads: 970,030, Posts: 12,577,823, Members: 326,852 Blogs: 327, Entries: 2,608.

The White Nationalist or Separatists movement seeks freedom to live with their own race, the right to self defence and to bear arms, a safe homeland for their families... preferably in self sustained communities based on loyalty to race and nation, high moral standards and Christian values, monogamous marriage between one man and one woman, keeping ones word with honour, the rule of just law and respect for the authority of justice.
The news as of late has made me curious enough to read their forum to see what this group of people reads like. Unsurprisingly, a diverse group of people with different views. There are the trolls/edgelords that say some pretty outrageous stuff. Whether you are talking about 4chan, Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, all these sites have got their bad apples. A registrar revoking a .com over extremely unpopular views seems like a very bad precedent to me, and no large community is above reproach when we start doing this.

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Stormfront has a Mormon section of which there are 62 members.

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markharr wrote: August 17th, 2017, 8:42 am
Exactly which is why you don't want to give them that power. There are several problems with this.

The FCC determined that the internet is a utility. Who gave these companies authority to censor on behalf of the American public.
As private companies, can't Google and GoDaddy and Facebook do business with whomever they want? So long as they aren't discriminating against protected classes? Isn't this like the wedding bakery thing? It's not like the government is banning organizations from access to the utility of the internet, they are just allowing private companies like Google to decide whether they want to do business with groups whose views they find repugnant.

If the KKK tried to run a commercial on the local NBC network they'd likely be told to take a hike, right? Isn't this similar?

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captainfearnot wrote: August 17th, 2017, 11:21 am
markharr wrote: August 17th, 2017, 8:42 am
Exactly which is why you don't want to give them that power. There are several problems with this.

The FCC determined that the internet is a utility. Who gave these companies authority to censor on behalf of the American public.
As private companies, can't Google and GoDaddy and Facebook do business with whomever they want? So long as they aren't discriminating against protected classes? Isn't this like the wedding bakery thing? It's not like the government is banning organizations from access to the utility of the internet, they are just allowing private companies like Google to decide whether they want to do business with groups whose views they find repugnant.

If the KKK tried to run a commercial on the local NBC network they'd likely be told to take a hike, right? Isn't this similar?

It's Google, GoDaddy and Facebook who demanded that the FCC turn the internet into a public utility and implement 'net neutrality' via FCC regulations.

This doesn't sound like Net Neutrality to me.

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markharr wrote: August 17th, 2017, 11:25 am
It's Google, GoDaddy and Facebook who demanded that the FCC turn the internet into a public utility and implement 'net neutrality' via FCC regulations.

This doesn't sound like Net Neutrality to me.
Well, Net Neutrality refers to ISPs discriminantly throttling data, not what content web companies choose to host. So this isn't really related to Net Neutrality at all.

I mean, I agree with you as far as the optics of the thing. It doesn't look good for self-professed champions of "neutrality" to turn around and arbitrate content. But I thought you were trying to make a point about legality rather than perception.

Google is not a utility. But it probably behooves them to be seen that way most of the time, and moves like this will undoubtedly hinder that. I guess in their judgment their business interests are better served in this instance by a perception that they are taking a stand against racism than a perception that they are "neutral."

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captainfearnot wrote: August 17th, 2017, 11:21 am
As private companies, can't Google and GoDaddy and Facebook do business with whomever they want? So long as they aren't discriminating against protected classes? Isn't this like the wedding bakery thing? It's not like the government is banning organizations from access to the utility of the internet, they are just allowing private companies like Google to decide whether they want to do business with groups whose views they find repugnant.
Legally, you are correct. The Law needs to change, however. There should not be "protected classes" in america. The government should treat all citizens equally, and citizens should be free to discriminate as they see fit.

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Internet censorship is increasing. Many Twitter accounts closed. Vanguard America's site has gone.

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Some point here to consider. While the internet may or may not be a public utility what we are talking about here is not the fundamental infrastructure of the internet, the wires if you will. What is being discussed here is the private property of Google GoDaddy and other. Google is under no obligation to list anyone in their search engine and can remove who ever they wish at any time they wish, for any reason. Google's databases are Google's property. The same goes for the DNS servers at companies like GoDaddy. They are under no obligation to list your company in their DNS database and they are free to set what ever standards they wish as to who and under what conditions they will place your domain name information into their system.

That the thing about private property rights, it cuts both ways when you like it and when you don't. Censorship is only Censorship when the government engages in it.

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gkearney wrote: August 17th, 2017, 4:31 pm Some point here to consider. While the internet may or may not be a public utility what we are talking about here is not the fundamental infrastructure of the internet, the wires if you will. What is being discussed here is the private property of Google GoDaddy and other. Google is under no obligation to list anyone in their search engine and can remove who ever they wish at any time they wish, for any reason. Google's databases are Google's property. The same goes for the DNS servers at companies like GoDaddy. They are under no obligation to list your company in their DNS database and they are free to set what ever standards they wish as to who and under what conditions they will place your domain name information into their system.

That the thing about private property rights, it cuts both ways when you like it and when you don't. Censorship is only Censorship when the government engages in it.
In principle I agree with you.

But because our rights actually have limitations on them set by the government, it is not unreasonable to expect the government to apply those restrictions to everyone equally.

If the baker must bake the cake, then the DNS company must provide services. I would prefer a society where any private citizen can discriminate in any way they please while the government must treat all citizens equally. But since this is not a reality, it is appropriate to call companies out on their bigotry and the government on their unfair application of laws. Public pressure appears to be the currency of choice these days.

And censorship is not limited to the government. Anyone can censor, but your rights only apply to censorship by the government.

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Elizabeth wrote: August 17th, 2017, 10:58 am Stormfront has a Mormon section of which there are 62 members.
Are you one of them?

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Elizabeth wrote: August 16th, 2017, 11:08 pm Stormfront.org is still flourishing...
I had never heard of this website, I looked at a few topics. Sheesh!
..The White Nationalist or Separatists movement seeks freedom to live with their own race, the right to self defence and to bear arms, a safe homeland for their families... preferably in self sustained communities based on loyalty to race and nation, high moral standards and Christian values, monogamous marriage between one man and one woman, keeping ones word with honour, the rule of just law and respect for the authority of justice.
I'm not sure I copied the url correctly. When I typed in stormfront.org I was taken to a site with a great number of uni-brow, knuckle-dragging imbeciles spouting about how great they are quickly followed by demonstrating what idiots they are. It's funny to see a whole group of people say they have nothing to do with hate and attacks, then turn around and attack by spreading hate. It's almost like I'm listening to a CNN broadcast.

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The mission of Stormfront.org is to provide information not available in the controlled news media.

There are many sections of Stormfront.org:

Theology, community, social sections ... including a Mormon one.

Behind the scenes private intellectual sections where a donation is required to join.

and the open forum which attracts all sides LOL =))

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"Internet Censorship Is Here! Stormfront disappeared 25 August, 2017.

Stormfront started in 1990 as a bulletin board, and stormfront.org was launched in 1996.

Stormfront was shut down in a manner similar to the way DailyStormer.com was shut down: their domain registrar just stole the domain, putting it on “client hold” so that they don’t have access to it. This is the same “internet jail” that DailyStormer.com was placed in by Google.

The shutting of Stormfront, via this new technique of domain seizure, sets a new precedent: They can now just take you off the internet because you are white. We are under a full-on assault. And there is an intelligence operation being run on us.

Whoever is coordinating this shutdown is playing intermediary to all of these tech companies involved. I would tend to assume it is the SPLC and/or the ADL, in coordination with the FBI and/or “former” FBI agents. Another precedent that was set here is that the media doesn’t have to mention it when you disappear. That was obviously purposeful. There was a blackout on it

This is a huge move to simply silence us, completely. Hopefully, we can get enough attention that we can force the government to intervene, and begin regulating ICANN like they did before Obama gave it away in October of last year.

With Stormfront, the site just disappears. The media doesn’t report on it. The SPLC doesn’t report on it. The company that took the domain doesn’t make a statement. Don Black doesn’t make a statement – at least not on any public platform. The site simply disappears.

And that, my friends, is the new model for censorship that they are attempting to roll out. Which they have already rolled out, in fact.”

Andrew Anglin 26 August, 2017.

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Fiannan wrote: August 17th, 2017, 7:38 am
markharr wrote: August 17th, 2017, 7:08 am This is how the left does things. Nobody is going to complain about taking a white supremacist website offline but if you give them the power they slowly just start changing the definition of what is white supremacist until they can take any website they want offline.

There are people who believe the LDS church is racist. How long before they give lds.org the stormfront treatment?
The left considers the Mormon Church one of the most racist, sexist and homophobic institutions in the USA. Mormons can bend over backwards...Mormons can kiss the you-know-what of the left, and you know what? They will still consider the Mormon Church one of the most racist, sexist and homophobic institutions in the USA.
How long before statues of Brigham Young and others are taken down and people start calling for BYU to change its name? Where's the line in the sand going to be?

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Radio recording:
"Dr. Duke addresses the unprecedented attack on pro-white voices on the internet, including himself, the Daily Stormer, and Stormfront. For instance, Google has changed its algorythims to make it difficult to do search for David Duke videos. Youtube has disable the “share” function on David Duke videos. Of course, the reason for this unprecedented attack is that we pose an unprecedented threat to the power structure.

Meanwhile, pornographers, pedophiles, and even terrorist organizations like ISIS have unfettered access to the internet. Why? "


http://renseradioarchives.com/archives/dduke/082817.mp3

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Stormfront is still off the internet.

Daily Stormer continues:
"After having multiple domains seized in an international conspiracy among domain registrars clearly pushed by the United States government, the Daily Stormer BBS is back up on an Tor onion. The BBS stays on Tor forever. Tor offers resistance to surveillance and privacy. This is a permanent change. Only the blog will go on the normieweb https://dailystormer.at/

To get on a Tor onion, download Tor Browser at:

https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en

Once the Tor Browser is installed and opened, open the BBS by typing this address into the URL bar:

http://bbs.dstormer6em3i4km.onion/

Authorised users only."

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