Charlottesville Race Riots

[Arenera]

Are you alt-right?

Why Mormons Who Are Alt-Right are Not Right

"Sigh" Go read the eye witness accounts of what really went on in Charlottesville. Many in the black lives matter/antifa crowd were there solely to cause trouble with these white nationalists types. They wanted to start a riot. They succeeded. Read the facts as they really happened instead of buying into the manipulation and throwing out insults and barbs Arenera. I am a constitutional conservative. I believe in freedom and liberty and God given rights. I also don't believe everything the media tells me to believe. I'm funny that way..

Why so testy? I asked if you were alt-right, you said you are a Constitutinal Conservative. Is that like Tea Party?

Where do you get your news? Even Fox, the most fairest of all, does fake news while harassing the women that work there.

Remember, Trump is a short feather.

This Deseret News article is not anything more than the authors' opinion, which is hardly that of a peacemaker, but of one who wishes to shame and inflame in a disgustingly know-it all self righteous manner

When solving problems between peoples I like what the church did with the gay community. They all got together, put their cards on the table, listened to each other, and worked out the best win win solution possible, admitting that nobody got everything they wanted.

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God "

Everybody needs to feel equally important and heard. In this country, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are being threatened. Since communism and socialism can preach their thing at every University in the land without fear, why not alt right people?

And don't position me politically, like you tried to to to Mark. I am dutch, and therefore a complete egalitarian, which in my native country is NOT a political position, just a philosophy of life.

So, you can drive you car into people with political abandon.

[Elizabeth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjOlC46wB8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Weg3fP0lZmE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZAf-6irU2Y

[passionflower]

"Sigh" Go read the eye witness accounts of what really went on in Charlottesville. Many in the black lives matter/antifa crowd were there solely to cause trouble with these white nationalists types. They wanted to start a riot. They succeeded. Read the facts as they really happened instead of buying into the manipulation and throwing out insults and barbs Arenera. I am a constitutional conservative. I believe in freedom and liberty and God given rights. I also don't believe everything the media tells me to believe. I'm funny that way..

Why so testy? I asked if you were alt-right, you said you are a Constitutinal Conservative. Is that like Tea Party?

Where do you get your news? Even Fox, the most fairest of all, does fake news while harassing the women that work there.

Remember, Trump is a short feather.

This Deseret News article is not anything more than the authors' opinion, which is hardly that of a peacemaker, but of one who wishes to shame and inflame in a disgustingly know-it all self righteous manner

When solving problems between peoples I like what the church did with the gay community. They all got together, put their cards on the table, listened to each other, and worked out the best win win solution possible, admitting that nobody got everything they wanted.

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God "

Everybody needs to feel equally important and heard. In this country, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are being threatened. Since communism and socialism can preach their thing at every University in the land without fear, why not alt right people?

And don't position me politically, like you tried to to to Mark. I am dutch, and therefore a complete egalitarian, which in my native country is NOT a political position, just a philosophy of life.

So, you can drive you car into people with political abandon.

Once again, like you did to Mark, Arenara, you are trying to put words in my mouth and make me defend them. This is nothing more than a way to put me on the defensive and get a contention going.

[markharr]

You are about to read a list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 39 years later, you should be shocked by the events that have played themselves out. I first ran across this list 3 years ago but was unable to attain a copy and it has bothered me ever since. Recently, Jeff Rense posted it on his site and I would like to thank him for doing so. http://www.rense.com

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

[Arenera]

Why so testy? I asked if you were alt-right, you said you are a Constitutinal Conservative. Is that like Tea Party?

Where do you get your news? Even Fox, the most fairest of all, does fake news while harassing the women that work there.

Remember, Trump is a short feather.

This Deseret News article is not anything more than the authors' opinion, which is hardly that of a peacemaker, but of one who wishes to shame and inflame in a disgustingly know-it all self righteous manner

When solving problems between peoples I like what the church did with the gay community. They all got together, put their cards on the table, listened to each other, and worked out the best win win solution possible, admitting that nobody got everything they wanted.

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God "

Everybody needs to feel equally important and heard. In this country, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are being threatened. Since communism and socialism can preach their thing at every University in the land without fear, why not alt right people?

And don't position me politically, like you tried to to to Mark. I am dutch, and therefore a complete egalitarian, which in my native country is NOT a political position, just a philosophy of life.

So, you can drive you car into people with political abandon.

Once again, like you did to Mark, Arenara, you are trying to put words in my mouth and make me defend them. This is nothing more than a way to put me on the defensive and get a contention going.

If you do a parade dressed as KKK, you should expect to have some people with a different opinion. If you twitter negative comments, like your president, the world may have different opinions.

Who first created the the environment for a conflict? The KKK. Who killed the person?

[h_p]

Finally somebody is clueing in on my point. Divide and conquer is the rally cry for all these agitators. Communists or fascists. Birds of a different feather. They all want fracture and division. They are all employed by the same source. He buys armies and navy's to reign with blood and horror on this earth. Yet the media and the politicians ignore one of the culprits in order to push an agenda. Trump hints that both factions are to blame and they are ready to tar and feather him for even suggesting their are in fact these 2 different shades of the same problem. Babylon cheers. Unity and division are shouted down and attacked. It's all a manipulative dog and pony show for those who can't discern truth from error. We weep for Zion...

Here's evidence for what Mark is saying: https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/272818/

The police were apparently told to stand down and let this thing spiral out of control. Sounds like someone wants a race war in this country.

[Silver]

Finally somebody is clueing in on my point. Divide and conquer is the rally cry for all these agitators. Communists or fascists. Birds of a different feather. They all want fracture and division. They are all employed by the same source. He buys armies and navy's to reign with blood and horror on this earth. Yet the media and the politicians ignore one of the culprits in order to push an agenda. Trump hints that both factions are to blame and they are ready to tar and feather him for even suggesting their are in fact these 2 different shades of the same problem. Babylon cheers. Unity and division are shouted down and attacked. It's all a manipulative dog and pony show for those who can't discern truth from error. We weep for Zion...

Here's evidence for what Mark is saying: https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/272818/

The police were apparently told to stand down and let this thing spiral out of control. Sounds like someone wants a race war in this country.

There are not many entities or individuals in the US who can tell the police to stand down in the face of violent riots. Who could it be? The mayor? Would the mayor want this on his/her record when standing for the next election?

The governor? Would the governor prefer for there to be violence and mayhem in his state?

Trump? Does Trump really want violence to break out all over the country?

Some nefarious 3rd party? Is this group truly anonymous? Are they able to operate without being caught by our intelligence services? Aren't all texts and emails captured by the NSA now?

If it is a 3rd party, is it more powerful than the federal government? Or is it acting under the supervision of the government?

[Michelle]

Just like children. How often do I have a child try to defend their poor behavior by pointing out the offense of the other. I just tell them they are both wrong together and they both get a punishment.

Edit:

I didn't catch up on all the posts before I commented. I'm surprised and appalled by the rudeness of some of the posts that add nothing to the discussion of actual events. What is going on here?

[Fiannan]

Is it time for our nation to heal and remove this monument to racism?

[Mark]

Finally somebody is clueing in on my point. Divide and conquer is the rally cry for all these agitators. Communists or fascists. Birds of a different feather. They all want fracture and division. They are all employed by the same source. He buys armies and navy's to reign with blood and horror on this earth. Yet the media and the politicians ignore one of the culprits in order to push an agenda. Trump hints that both factions are to blame and they are ready to tar and feather him for even suggesting their are in fact these 2 different shades of the same problem. Babylon cheers. Unity and division are shouted down and attacked. It's all a manipulative dog and pony show for those who can't discern truth from error. We weep for Zion...

Here's evidence for what Mark is saying: https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/272818/

The police were apparently told to stand down and let this thing spiral out of control. Sounds like someone wants a race war in this country.

Indeed. Look no further than Gov Terry McAuliffe. A Saul Alinski disciple just like his mob bosses were. Remember him?

Born in New York on February 9, 1957, Terry McAuliffe entered politics at the age of 23 as the national finance director for Jimmy Carter. He was named Democratic National Committee chairman in 2000 and served until 2005. He co-chaired President Bill Clinton's 1996 campaign for reelection and was chairman of Hillary Clinton's 2008 Presidential campaign. In 2013, he was elected governor of Virginia.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ar-attack/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... urnalists/

[markharr]

Removing statues doesn't change history. It only makes us look like ISIS.

The vast majority of American people are not racist. This is a vocal and radical minority from both sides. Let's stop judging the entire nation on a fraction of a fraction of a percent.

You can't eliminate hateful speech without eliminating free agency and the first amendment. Stop paying attention to the racists and they will go away.

[iWriteStuff]

Removing statues doesn't change history. It only makes us look like ISIS.

The vast majority of American people are not racist. This is a vocal and radical minority from both sides. Let's stop judging the entire nation on a fraction of a fraction of a percent.

You can't eliminate hateful speech without eliminating free agency and the first amendment. Stop paying attention to the racists and they will go away.

Have you caught on to the violence of the two different racist groups actively trying to destroy each other? It's KKK vs BLM down there.

What was it we hear from the Book of Mormon?

Mormon 4:5
It is by the wicked that the wicked are punished; for it is the wicked that stir up the hearts of the children of men unto bloodshed.

Seems like we're seeing the fulfillment of prophecy here.

[Mark]

Removing statues doesn't change history. It only makes us look like ISIS.

The vast majority of American people are not racist. This is a vocal and radical minority from both sides. Let's stop judging the entire nation on a fraction of a fraction of a percent.

You can't eliminate hateful speech without eliminating free agency and the first amendment. Stop paying attention to the racists and they will go away.

Last I read in Helaman the Prophets were pretty descript in outlining what combinations will do for power gain and glory. Once they gain control they will control the agenda and create fracture and pain in society. In fact even some of the righteous are taken in by their shakedown and propaganda and begin partaking of the spoils. Seems like they are doing their job pretty well if you ask me.

[Elizabeth]

“Fox News reporter Doug McKelway was in attendance during deadly events in Charlottesville, VA, where he reported that the police were called off as soon as things started turning violent.”

“But when the tear gas started to fly, thrown by Anitfa and their fellow protesters, the police themselves began to evacuate then. I asked the guy who was in charge, ‘Where you going?’ He said, ‘We’re leaving. It’s too dangerous.’ They had a chance to nip this thing in the bud and they chose not to.“

“Of note, ‘Unite the right’ held a rally which was legally organized with a permit from the city, as was their first amendment right to do so, and Antifa showed up with cement-filled cans and other weapons with plans to violently protest the event – creating a dangerous atmosphere which the police did nothing to control.”

“The ACLU confirmed that Charlottesville police were ordered to stand down…”

[markharr]

You can have a society free of racism and hate, but no free agency (otherwise known as Satan's plan)

Or you can have free agency, and tolerate the more radical and divisive elements of society (otherwise known as the Saviors plan)

You cannot have both. Pick one.

I know what my choice is.

[markharr]

You can have a society free of racism and hate, but no free agency (otherwise known as Satan's plan)

Or you can have free agency, and tolerate the more radical and divisive elements of society (otherwise known as the Saviors plan)

You cannot have both. Pick one.

I know what my choice is.

I'm wrong. you can have both just not on this world in the wicked state it's currently in. That is the world we are forced to live in for now so pick one, or try to get the world to repent.

[David13]

You are about to read a list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 39 years later,

...

54 years, isn't it?
dc

[markharr]

You are about to read a list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 39 years later,

...

54 years, isn't it?
dc

The text was obviously written in 2002. I was quoting it.

[David13]

You are about to read a list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 39 years later,

...

54 years, isn't it?
dc

The text was obviously written in 2002. I was quoting it.

Oh, I thought that was your comment. Anyway, interesting how much of the agenda has been filled and accomplished by our very own so called 'loyal opposition?' the Dems, dems, left, liberals?, etc.
dc

Interesting. Or sickening.

[Arenera]

Well, the Church says:

LDS Church issues statement condemning 'white' supremacist attitudes'

"Condemning white supremacist attitudes, saying they "are morally wrong and sinful."

Sinful.

Become an "Anti alt-right alt-left"

[Elizabeth]

This is a most unfortunate and disillusioning statement from Salt Lake LDS Public Affairs and one which has been noticed and adversely commented upon by White Nationalists who otherwise support the LDS Church. One may legitimately ask why Antifa, “Black Lives Matter”, SPLC and the sundry other groups of leftist hooligans who instigated and continued the violence have not been mentioned. In fact I intend to contact Salt Lake LDS Public Affairs and ask just this question. I myself have held positions in LDS Public Affairs as do my family currently.

[markharr]

This is a most unfortunate and disillusioning statement from Salt Lake LDS Public Affairs and one which has been noticed and adversely commented upon by White Nationalists who otherwise support the LDS Church. One may legitimately ask why Antifa, “Black Lives Matter”, SPLC and the sundry other groups of leftist hooligans who instigated and continued the violence have not been mentioned. In fact I intend to contact Salt Lake LDS Public Affairs and ask just this question. I myself have held positions in LDS Public Affairs as do my family currently.

I agree that that statement was unfortunate and unnecessary. The LDS church had nothing to do with this riot. Why did they make a statement at all? Since they did make a statement why focus on one side. Why not condemn all racism?

[skmo]

Notice how the narrative has been established and pushed by the media and the politicians? Read this KSL Article closely. Don't you dare even hint to the fact that it was also the black lives matter/ antifa crowd that shoulders just as much if not more of the blame for these riots.

Oops.

Trump Blames Both Sides for Violence in Virginia

Reporters and entertainment dweebs are going to blow a head gasket. I really, REALLY didn't like Trump's election (although I was sure it was a nanometer's width better than the hildabeast's) but he's done a lot of right things. He's been castigated for it, but it's yowling leftist harpies doesn't change what is.

[markharr]

Notice how the narrative has been established and pushed by the media and the politicians? Read this KSL Article closely. Don't you dare even hint to the fact that it was also the black lives matter/ antifa crowd that shoulders just as much if not more of the blame for these riots.

Oops.

Trump Blames Both Sides for Violence in Virginia

Reporters and entertainment dweebs are going to blow a head gasket. I really, REALLY didn't like Trump's election (although I was sure it was a nanometer's width better than the hildabeast's) but he's done a lot of right things. He's been castigated for it, but it's yowling leftist harpies doesn't change what is.

Trump is far from perfect, but the difference is that he at least cares. He cares about this country, and he cares about the American people.

[Mark]

This is a most unfortunate and disillusioning statement from Salt Lake LDS Public Affairs and one which has been noticed and adversely commented upon by White Nationalists who otherwise support the LDS Church. One may legitimately ask why Antifa, “Black Lives Matter”, SPLC and the sundry other groups of leftist hooligans who instigated and continued the violence have not been mentioned. In fact I intend to contact Salt Lake LDS Public Affairs and ask just this question. I myself have held positions in LDS Public Affairs as do my family currently.

You are missing the main reason behind the statement made by church public affairs. Read closely the first line of the statement:

“It has been called to our attention that there are some among the various pro-white and white supremacy communities who assert that the church is neutral toward or in support of their views. Nothing could be further from the truth,"

In other words some white supremacist communities are saying the LDS church winks at or openly supports their views. The church most certainly does not. This statement is merely clarification of that. There is nothing wrong with the church making that clear. White supremacy at its roots is evil and unChristlike. We are all children of a loving God regardless of our race or ethnicity. Pres. Hinckley was very clear of this in his statement condemning racism and bigotry of any form when he said this:

“We recognize the need to heal the wounds of society and replace with optimism and faith the pessimism of our times. We must recognize that there is no need for recrimination or criticism against one another. We must use our influence to still the voices of angry and vindictive argument.

“… Our strength lies in our freedom to choose. There is strength even in our very diversity. But there is greater strength in the God-given mandate to each of us to work for the uplift and blessing of all His sons and daughters, regardless of their ethnic or national origin or other differences. …

“May the Lord bless us to work unitedly to remove from our hearts and drive from our society all elements of hatred, bigotry, racism, and other divisive words and actions. The snide remark, the racial slur, hateful epithets, malicious gossip, and mean and vicious rumor-mongering should have no place among us.

“May God bless us all with the peace that comes from Him. May He bless us with thankful hearts and with the will to mingle together with respect one for another, uniting our efforts to the blessing of the communities where we are fortunate to live.”1

I know you are very opinionated Elizabeth about this issue. I would hope as a Latter Day Saint you would support our Prophets who constantly call for us to extend love and kindness and acceptance toward ALL of Gods children regardless of race or ethnicity or background. It is what the Savior would have us do. It is part of his restored gospel.