I am convinced that what must be understood is that a church court is a profoundly spiritual experience. It is a hard experience and it considers difficult matters but it is the Lord that defines the outcome.freedomforall wrote: ↑August 13th, 2017, 4:37 pmSomeone, please, read Doctrine and Covenants 42:28 again. It states that a person is to be excommunicated if they "repent not"...not before and not during any repentance, nor if they sincerely desire to repent.brlenox wrote: ↑August 13th, 2017, 12:22 pmBut, because I realize your online name is thinker, I realize you must have already considered this things and are already aware that excommunication is a viable and recommended option within the Church of Jesus Christ and that it has a strong scriptural support. So then I have to wonder, why would someone take a stance so opposite the obvious and put words in peoples mouths and deflect the conversation into other accusations of tangential claims and I am not sure why someone would do that when it is so easy to illustrate their thinking is not in line with gospel standards.
So you are going to have to explain it to me - you are making this too easy to rebutt and I think you know you are staring down a 1 ton bull knowing that you have no reasonable protection for your claims. So really what is your impetus for these things?
So why are people chucked out of the church prior to their repentance? Did Elder Hamula refuse to repent?
If they repent not.
That said sometimes the outcome is that they must be excommunicated in order to be able to fully repent or in other words as part of their repentance. As well, they are then permitted rebaptism which clears the conscience so completely that it is a gracious blessing.
Unless the right attitude about excommunication is possessed then it is looked upon as a punishment - it is not such. It may be a consequence but never a punishment.