Raised without gender?

[Fiannan]

So what do you think, is this the future of the USA?

[BRMC]

Not in my family.

[gardener4life]

Refer to the proclamation to the world about the family;

https://www.lds.org/topics/family-procl ... g&old=true

Gender is an important eternal concept in growing with an identity and purpose. Also true. We find this in the line "..Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose..."

It's unfortunate that some people without the light of the gospel are making a lot of mistakes in leading this country to ruin and bondage by twisting what identity means and gender identity too is a target. I think you know this but you are giving us an opportunity for discussion on this. In this you should be commended. You opened a chance for us to build each other up. Isn't that wonderful?

You are right to be concerned with how society is being twisted.

The adversary attacks; identity, concept of gender identity, our believe that we can receive answers to prayers & that Heavenly Father will really listen to us, our concept of love and the ability to be loved, our belief that we can have a beautiful future of good things, our ability to be happy, our support structures and shelters trying to cut us off from temple and our family.

The adversary may and in some forms will and is trying to get the government or society to push a genderless society, but if they do they will cause more harm than you can possibly imagine. A genderless society won't ever be genderless, so the very idea is false; but this will just teach a false notion that we can try to overwrite the plan of salvation, which we can't. We can accept the plan of salvation but without Jesus there is no way of paying for the plan of salvation on our own, which includes having a beautiful future.

I suppose in a way this brings up the idea of people trying to use technological miracles/idols to replace faith in Christ and answers to prayers.

I think there are points that will help you help your family in this matter or those in your stewardships...and this can protect them avoid these illusions. By identifying a few points we're giving you the chance to know how to protect them and others. And I can assure you that I do really know that these protections work and are real for a variety of spiritual and physical afflictions.

In the proclamation we read; "...and to teach them to love and serve one another...(regardless of gender)". The world is unsatisfied with teaching us to love one another, so because people feel unloved and left out or abused in various forms they mistakenly think they have to twist their identity to receive those things. So we can try to practice giving more Christlike love to our family members regardless of appearance or gender to counter Satan's trying to confuse them. If they feel loved from family and Jesus then these cheap darts won't break them. He wants them to believe they will only be loved and cared for if they match certain traits...then uses that against them.

Another line in the scriptures we read; Alma 32 and 1 Nephi as well chapter 8 & 11. --> "Lehi describes the fruit of the tree in his vision as being “most sweet, above all that I ever before tasted. Yea, and I beheld that the fruit thereof was white, to exceed all the whiteness that I had ever seen.” (1 Ne. 8:11.) Nephi adds his testimony that “the beauty [of the tree] was far beyond, yea, exceeding of all beauty; and the whiteness thereof did exceed the whiteness of the driven snow.” It was “the tree which is precious above all.” (1 Ne. 11:8–9.) Later he speaks of “that tree of life, whose fruit is most precious and most desirable above all other fruits; yea, and it is the greatest of all the gifts of God.”

Here is another conference talk, from which I pulled the reference above.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1980/07/part ... t?lang=eng

The idea here is to teach your family members, and friends, or those in your callings that Satan's illusions, including that of twisting identity and manufacturing a false identity or gender identity will pale in comparison to the blessing we'll have after this life from the fruit that is tasty and pure beyond anything we can comprehend. You can teach them mostly to trust that this will hold true. But for it to be true they have to be nourishing themselves with the love of God by reading the scriptures. This is very similar to James 1:5, that namely they will encounter difficulties and problems, that encountering a problem is natural, including people in the world trying to confuse them, and to trust that Heavenly Father will give them something more lasting and better if they can hang on and trust him.

Included within the plan of salvation we can remember that seeking answers to prayers, and answers to our eternal salvation means that Heavenly Father's kingdom is big enough to hold individual variances to allow us to be a bit different from each other; the plan is individual and collective based. That's a cool concept if you think about it. It means individuals will have their own rewards to help them by following it with faith. If that's the case, then we can teach our families that he can provide ways for our problems to be solved his way and us still be happy, and have that problem or need or affliction taken care of. Think of how many thousands of bird species there are in the world. And he created a world big enough for none of them left out, even the birds with no ability to fly; penguins. So of course he can solve this problem for those who are struggling with it, or some other problem.

The fruit does represent the love of God. But there's more to it. When you think about answers to prayers, you learn the idea that truth and faith use sincerity on both our end and Heavenly Father's end. Part of sincerity of a parent is that they will really give you the means that you can be happy. This is especially true of Heavenly Father, who has more means to give than we do. The very doctrine of praying and seeking answers to prayers through faith means that when people face this and other problems, including any problem in life that Heavenly Father really will help them with sincerity. In addition to representing the love of God, we can be assured that with a parent's love and sincerity also comes a chance for a future, that we build hand in hand with him and Jesus. Because we define it that way it's OK to think that the fruit of the love of God also represents a beautiful future that we won't trade for any fake alternatives!

We just have to have the faith to wait for him to see we're willing to work with him to achieve the means of enduring to the end and will receive the blessings we need and seek, including every other blessing pertinent to our ability to feel complete and feel fulfillment with our eternal identity, our concept of what we need in our future, and him giving us a future. That also means with sincerity if we hold true to the end he can create a place in his kingdom where we can be happy.

When we have felt Heavenly Father's love and the love of Jesus we truly know that he will give us a way to have a future that is a much sweeter future than any rotten fruit we find on the ground.

I'm sure you are doing your best. You are concerned with what's happening in society and when you turn on the news. By talking about this you now have the means to counter spiritual darkness around those close to you. You can reassure them of this concept often and I believe they will feel the love of Jesus and Heavenly Father as you do so and also have love increase for you to. And also what is also cool is we talked about how you can protect them in a way that doesn't bash or get you in trouble for reasons of persecution. You have said nothing bad about those people but just explained quietly and lovingly to them about God's love means his rewards will last more and be more powerful than any cheap knock offs.

[Serragon]

It is not the future, as nature won't comply. The genders are actually different, physically and mentally.

It is abusive, however, and will lead to unhappiness and misery for those who are subjected to it. You can't keep pounding a square peg into a round hole and expect it to fit without damaging the peg.

[Fiannan]

If the left takes back control of the USA you will see this in US schools. And just to note, the UK has said they will ban any advertisement that presents gender "stereotyping."

[Matchmaker]

If no one talks about, recognizes, or acknowledges gender differences in any way when growing up, does that mean a chaste individual in the gender-neutral culture won't know whether its spouse has a penis or a vagina until the wedding night?

[oneClimbs]

If no one talks about, recognizes, or acknowledges gender differences in any way when growing up, does that mean a chaste individual in the gender-neutral culture won't know whether its spouse has a penis or a vagina until the wedding night?

This is, I think, one of the consequences of this mentality that no one seems to address. Let's say a kid is born and likes princess movies and dressing like princesses and girls stuff and then hits puberty and starts liking girls and discovers that they have male parts and that they are male all along. Don't you think that kid is going to be very, very confused.

If the vast majority of people born with male parts are attracted to women because, well, that's how human beings make new human beings and what not, then doesn't raising children gender-neutral cause a massive amount of confusion for the vast majority of people? Reproduction perpetuates the species and gender roles in any society are simply a recognition that males and females are different in special ways including reproduction. One of the main reasons people seek out a mate is to reproduce with them.

I think one of the reasons these ideologies that deny basic reality are pushed and promoted by governments and societies has little to do with rights and more to do with population control. If you cannot abort enough babies or kill enough people through wars and such, then why not encourage relationships and lifestyles that are not centered on, or capable of, reproduction at all.

In Isaiah 10:13, take note of one of the stated goals of the "Archtyrant" Assyria, who is a type of an end-time ideology that I believe exists today: "I have done it by my own ability and shrewdness, for I am ingenious. I have done away with the borders of nations, I have ravaged their reserves, I have vastly reduced the inhabitants."

There are people today who do not want reproduction to be at the center of relationships. Now even for some married couples who are not capable of reproduction, their marriage anticipates this in the next life even if it is not fulfilled in this one. Each human being needs to produce another human being before they die or else the population will decline. In a marriage, a man and a woman can together each produce these children together and also provide for their well-being until they are grown. They can pattern male and female aspects to those children as a demonstration of the principles and behaviors that contribute to them replacing themselves.

I think governments believe there are too many people so they support the ideologies that call for the opposite of reproduction. It fits with their agenda at the present but human beings have a natural desire to not just have sex, but reproduce, create life. When a generation of gender-confused people end up in relationships where their anatomies do not allow for reproduction, they will see this as an injustice and demand that they have the right to reproduce the same as couples that have the right anatomies. What will be the solution? Artificial wombs? Male pregnancies? Voluntary surrogates? Sure, if there are enough volunteers but what if there aren't? Are we going to have forced surrogates?

The whole purpose of raising a child according to if they are male or female is to facilitate these natural processes that are the norm for the vast, VAST majority of the human population, because they are good for the human population, they are the reason the human population exists. I remember a quote that was attributed to Boyd K. Packer, "We teach the rule and deal with the exceptions individually." I think that is a wise course of action.

[Fiannan]

I think one of the reasons these ideologies that deny basic reality are pushed and promoted by governments and societies has little to do with rights and more to do with population control. If you cannot abort enough babies or kill enough people through wars and such, then why not encourage relationships and lifestyles that are not centered on, or capable of, reproduction at all.

You got that one right. Appears you have researched this issue way more than the average person.

[Matchmaker]

I think one of the reasons these ideologies that deny basic reality are pushed and promoted by governments and societies has little to do with rights and more to do with population control. If you cannot abort enough babies or kill enough people through wars and such, then why not encourage relationships and lifestyles that are not centered on, or capable of, reproduction at all.

You got that one right. Appears you have researched this issue way more than the average person.

I'm surprised the powers that be are not doing more to stop the Muslims, Mexicans, Africans in Africa, and the Indians in India from reproducing. They are reproducing much faster than the Americans or Europeans.

[oneClimbs]

I think one of the reasons these ideologies that deny basic reality are pushed and promoted by governments and societies has little to do with rights and more to do with population control. If you cannot abort enough babies or kill enough people through wars and such, then why not encourage relationships and lifestyles that are not centered on, or capable of, reproduction at all.

You got that one right. Appears you have researched this issue way more than the average person.

I'm surprised the powers that be are not doing more to stop the Muslims, Mexicans, Africans in Africa, and the Indians in India from reproducing. They are reproducing much faster than the Americans or Europeans.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste."

[Fiannan]

American men must resist the left's attempt to psychologically castrate them.

[Ezra]

If Mormons would have a dozen kids each family with the current climate of society mormons could become the dominant people in the USA really quickly. But we are going the way of the world.

[Fiannan]

If Mormons would have a dozen kids each family with the current climate of society mormons could become the dominant people in the USA really quickly. But we are going the way of the world.

True, but with women watching daytime talk-show TV porn and men getting trained to be men and fathers by TV sitcoms then I am at least confident that in the future we can at least maintain our temple services using robots or holograms as we won't have the numbers to run the temples for what is left.

[Ezra]

If Mormons would have a dozen kids each family with the current climate of society mormons could become the dominant people in the USA really quickly. But we are going the way of the world.

True, but with women watching daytime talk-show TV porn and men getting trained to be men and fathers by TV sitcoms then I am at least confident that in the future we can at least maintain our temple services using robots or holograms as we won't have the numbers to run the temples for what is left.

Robots and holograms that would be cool. But take it a step further and have the robots do the temple work completely. All you would have to do is email the names in as you find them. Done. Only show up to do your own wedding.

[Yahtzee]

"He started saying he's a girl, some days he's a boy, the other day he's a cat. It's good for him, it's part of his childhood. He can be whatever he wants."
There you have it folks. You can be a cat. Because you imagined it. Dream big!!
I love that the psychologist mentioned the higher failure rates among boys, the higher suicide rates. That needs so much more attention!!! Obviously this had an agenda and glossed right over it. The pendulum has swung so far that education caters to girls. In educating my own kids I can see the differences in learning style and ability based on their gender. The video makes it seem like gender neutral is this great thing because girls are climbing trees. They obviously don't understand the difference between stereotypes and biology. Argh!

[brianj]

American men must resist the left's attempt to psychologically castrate them.

It's not just the left. Even conservative women, in and out of this church, are increasingly working to feminize the men in their lives. It's really sad to hear women who consider themselves good and active church members denigrating masculinity.

[brianj]

So what do you think, is this the future of the USA?

Yes, this is the future of the US. At least in the short term.
Leftists are working to destroy the nuclear family, partially for this reason. By destroying the nuclear family they will prevent good parents from instilling righteous values. And gender confusion is a tool they will use to get rising generations to focus only on pleasure and immediate self interest to more easily enslave the population.

[Alaris]

If no one talks about, recognizes, or acknowledges gender differences in any way when growing up, does that mean a chaste individual in the gender-neutral culture won't know whether its spouse has a penis or a vagina until the wedding night?

Actually yeah that's the intent of the adversary. Fifty fifty chance that the first commandment to multiply and replenish the earth won't be followed with all this non gender binary he-she she-he they it nonsense.

There are plenty of citizens who will have nothing to do with this nonsense. These are blue zone consequences for the most part.

[Fiannan]

American men must resist the left's attempt to psychologically castrate them.

It's not just the left. Even conservative women, in and out of this church, are increasingly working to feminize the men in their lives. It's really sad to hear women who consider themselves good and active church members denigrating masculinity.

Part could be the dynamics of our leaders. We know that in most men testosterone levels decline with age, so many elderly men become more feminine (in the traditional context of the word), thus the image of the gentle grandfather. Since women are told to look up to their general authorities from day one of their lives they begin to project out how their ideal husband should be. They want him to be successful, but they want him gentle, they want him to be a leader, but they want him to be soft-spoken, they want a man who is a man, but they want him almost gender-neutral, like an aged grandfather. This is not really their fault, but a dynamic in our culture. A Brigham Young style man, like Donald Trump for instance, makes them cringe. They see a standard in the Church, and then they see the society promote the idea that a girls-best-friend ideal should be a gay man; he doesn't hit on you, likes to shop and listens to all the gossip you just heard about so-and-so. True, not all gay men are like this but this is the archetype provided by entertainment. Ironically, LDS women are discouraged from watching R-rated movies which is the only place where strong, masculine male characters exist. No wonder so many LDS women secretly love "50 Shades of Grey" as they deep-down want a man who is wild and dominant -- however I have heard that in the story the female lead eventually tames her male idol.

[Fiannan]

So what do you think, is this the future of the USA?

Yes, this is the future of the US. At least in the short term.
Leftists are working to destroy the nuclear family, partially for this reason. By destroying the nuclear family they will prevent good parents from instilling righteous values. And gender confusion is a tool they will use to get rising generations to focus only on pleasure and immediate self interest to more easily enslave the population.

Another irony is that I have someone on social media who graduated from a film institute. I looked at her page yesterday when she posted something from an activity that was a celebration of sex-positive porn. Without going into details let me say that the audience, which was almost exclusively women, were applauding what I think most people would see as really controversial. However, it got me thinking that the growing popularity of porn with women is that it is the last place you see male and female expressions in their most carnal and basic form. I read an article some time ago, before New York City pretty much threw out strip clubs in the downtown district, that the reason for the growth of popularity of such venues for entertainment, particularly with businessmen and professional men, was, ironically, sexual harassment laws that have made any interaction with the opposite sex quite dangerous. Perhaps if you repress both men and women too heavily in an artificial society that feminists have constructed you will get nature rearing its head somehow. The problem is that divorcing the powerful sexual impulses in humans from marriage and reproduction merely gives us something just as negative to human existence as what the feminists desire.

Maybe overall this is why Islam is becoming attractive to feminists? Something that dares to say this or that is wrong, at the same time representing a very old view of the patriarchy?

[brianj]

Maybe overall this is why Islam is becoming attractive to feminists? Something that dares to say this or that is wrong, at the same time representing a very old view of the patriarchy?

Interesting hypothesis. I tend to suspect that women are attracted to Islam over the idea of the challenge of subjugating strong men who treat women as inferiors to be controlled. Of course the issue of ignorance is also important. These people really are ignorant enough to believe that Islam is a religion of peace and equality! I recently read a story claiming that Janet Jackson became suicidal after marrying a Muslim and moving to the Middle East because she didn't know what she was getting into and had difficulty with the religious restrictions placed on her.

Along these lines, I believe that a big reason for the popularity of things like the Fifty Shades series is that women have an innate desire to submit to a man, but they deny and fight that impulse in today's world. Women try to control the family, and I don't want to contemplate the number of times that a man has joked that he presides but his wife conducts. The domination fantasy is about fulfilling that desire to submit.

[Fiannan]

[JohnnyL]

If no one talks about, recognizes, or acknowledges gender differences in any way when growing up, does that mean a chaste individual in the gender-neutral culture won't know whether its spouse has a penis or a vagina until the wedding night?

Isn't that the point? At least half the point? :p

[Fiannan]

If no one talks about, recognizes, or acknowledges gender differences in any way when growing up, does that mean a chaste individual in the gender-neutral culture won't know whether its spouse has a penis or a vagina until the wedding night?

Isn't that the point? At least half the point? :p

Depopulation agenda.

[Gage]

I dont care what kind of agenda the media tries to push or what kind of agenda a handful of lesbians march too, a woman- most women, still want a "manly man" that takes care of them, that takes the lead and takes control and takes care of them.