I honestly don't care what you think about my testimony or how it came about. You may say whatever you like, but it makes no difference whatsoever. You may believe whatever you like, however, scripture tells us a different story and this is what we are supposed to feast on. Go ahead, look it up. The church membership has been under condemnation for not reading the Book of Mormon enough, not for being lax in reading the DOJ.Hidingbehindmyhandle wrote: ↑August 11th, 2017, 3:18 amLike Joseph said, If you don't believe him, you don't believe the Bible. Words have meaning and we have Josephs words. Therefore we have Josephs meaning. The words are very clear, the meaning is very clear. Argue all you want against the Bible and Joseph. Believe if you dare or not.freedomforall wrote: ↑August 10th, 2017, 10:29 pmAs a fictional narrative it is very clear. Reality says this doctrine is nothing more than an anomaly, with which cannot be proven correct because no one really knows what Joseph Smith or Brigham Young meant behind this anomaly. Spreading it around as canonized scripture is folly at the very best. And my question wasn't answered because the full lifespans of Adam and Eve were not addressed. Only the one infraction so that the whole narrative might have sway on the unknowing and ignorance to what scripture actually teaches.
When one truly feasts upon the word, they come to see there a holes in that doctrine and that it insults the testimonies of those believing in the word of God. And it is a mockery of the First Vision narrative.
I get reamed out for my beliefs, scoffed and called names because I take a stand for my beliefs and that God, himself, through the Holy Ghost has witnessed to me many times that what I read is true.
I only pray that the DOJ can be set aside and the actual word of God be read and read, studied and pondered for what it really is. We cannot go to heaven on some one elses shirttail. This would include Joseph Smith or anyone else.
But Joseph's and Brigham's words are simple and clear, their meaning is simple and clear.
The fiction is yours, reality is that Joseph and Brigham taught this doctrine. The anomaly is that someone can be so blind to such simple words with such clear meaning. You can pray all you want for the truth to be set aside. But if you set aside the DOJ, you must also set aside the Teachings of President Brigham Young and Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith and Wilford Woodruff Journal and Brigham Young Oct.8, 1854 General Conference Report and The Essential Brigham Young and the Bible.
Such a heavy cost to not believe. In the face of such direct testimony with such clear meaning, one most likely has something they hold so close as to block out reason. John Taylor and Joseph himself tell us who the Holy Ghost is and he does not testify against himself.
I choose to believe Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff and The Bible and chose not to believe any testimony not in harmony with the same.
As far as Joseph and the bible are concerned, we believe the bible to be the word of God as far as it has been translated correctly.
Scripture trumps any man's word where there is conflict in doctrine. Just on this thread alone, there has been conflict within those presenting this doctrine. I would think that there would be complete harmony, wouldn't you?
Say what you will but it won't change my hard earned knowledge of the Godhead, the gospel or who Jesus is, or for that matter, even God.
Where in the bible does it tell us that Adam is our God, or Majesty on High? Where does it tell us that Jesus is subordinate to Adam? Where does it tell us that we all can become a Christ? Where does it tell us that we will take upon many different bodies in succession in our progression?
If Joseph said we don't believe the bible, just what parts is he talking about? We'll be waiting for the info.
Another thing, why does Joseph Smith say he did more for this church than even Christ?