While some Mormon women are wearing hijabs...

[Fiannan]

There are women in the Middle East who are standing up for women's rights not to have to be covered up head to toe:

This video has sparked a huge debate and you can imagine what the hard-liners want done.

I think this woman, and others like her, deserve respect. What I do not understand is how feminists in the west are making the hijab into a symbol of feminism while many women in the Middle East are trying to toss it off.

[David13]

There are women in the Middle East who are standing up for women's rights not to have to be covered up head to toe:

This video has sparked a huge debate and you can imagine what the hard-liners want done.

I think this woman, and others like her, deserve respect. What I do not understand is how feminists in the west are making the hijab into a symbol of feminism while many women in the Middle East are trying to toss it off.

It's an insanity, it's a hypocrisy, it's a phoniness. Almost every one of these so called "feminists" in this country is nothing but a confused fool, frequently in many ways more than one.
It's a contrariness. They are sometimes just contrarians. Mixed up on many an issue, fact, fundamental, and much of the time without even knowing it.
dc

[MMbelieve]

I am not experienced in either the Muslim world, or in the femanist agenda...but i am a woman and can say that women do get caught up in the "emotions" or heart of the matter and need guidance in the practicality or logical side sometimes.

The only reason I can think of women here wearing the hijab is to show support to the Muslim women here. A sense of, "hey, we accept you" and the way to show that is to adopt a bit of their culture from time to time. Much like a welcoming or a way to bring support and comfort.

If one goes to visit another country and is invited to partake in any culture stuff be it food, practice or whatever...it would be polite to join in. But, the muslim women here we know cannot join in to show their support and respect with regard to apparel, so we adjust to show the support (sisterhood) at that moment.

I don't know, that's my best guess.

[David13]

I am not experienced in either the Muslim world, or in the femanist agenda...but i am a woman and can say that women do get caught up in the "emotions" or heart of the matter and need guidance in the practicality or logical side sometimes.

The only reason I can think of women here wearing the hijab is to show support to the Muslim women here. A sense of, "hey, we accept you" and the way to show that is to adopt a bit of their culture from time to time. Much like a welcoming or a way to bring support and comfort.

If one goes to visit another country and is invited to partake in any culture stuff be it food, practice or whatever...it would be polite to join in. But, the muslim women here we know cannot join in to show their support and respect with regard to apparel, so we adjust to show the support (sisterhood) at that moment.

I don't know, that's my best guess.

Yes, possibly, but how do you give up your "feminist" morality to do that? It's just too directly contradictory.
dc

[MMbelieve]

I am not experienced in either the Muslim world, or in the femanist agenda...but i am a woman and can say that women do get caught up in the "emotions" or heart of the matter and need guidance in the practicality or logical side sometimes.

The only reason I can think of women here wearing the hijab is to show support to the Muslim women here. A sense of, "hey, we accept you" and the way to show that is to adopt a bit of their culture from time to time. Much like a welcoming or a way to bring support and comfort.

If one goes to visit another country and is invited to partake in any culture stuff be it food, practice or whatever...it would be polite to join in. But, the muslim women here we know cannot join in to show their support and respect with regard to apparel, so we adjust to show the support (sisterhood) at that moment.

I don't know, that's my best guess.

Yes, possibly, but how do you give up your "feminist" morality to do that? It's just too directly contradictory.
dc

Maybe your assuming too much?

[Fiannan]

The only reason I can think of women here wearing the hijab is to show support to the Muslim women here. A sense of, "hey, we accept you" and the way to show that is to adopt a bit of their culture from time to time. Much like a welcoming or a way to bring support and comfort.

Ironic that if a member were to start hanging out socially with the FLDS they would immediately come under suspicion and get called into their local bishop real fast -- however the only difference between the FLDS on the issue of polygamy is that Islam teaches that a man can have 4 wives and the FLDS sets no limit. And how young can a man marry a female in Islam?

Come on, support? Not all Muslim women wear hijabs -- in fact it is due to the influence of Saudi Arabia and Wahabbism that hijabs have become more common in many Muslim nations. You want to adopt some of their culture? Great, there are many positive things about Islam like having big families or not drinking alcohol. But you are not helping Muslim women by wearing a hijab -- you are only hurting the women who, like the one in the video, are trying to phase out this practice.

And yes, the USA is very much part of why Islam has become far more strict. Part is due to the immorality of Hollywood and creating an image of a hedonistic west, part is rooted in the Cold War and facilitating an expansion of Saudi influence and power in order to halt Arab nationalism and socialistic reforms, and finally the USA has sought to destroy secular governments in the Middle East.

[Lizzy60]

The woman who made the video posted in the OP has been arrested for wearing immodest clothing in public.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/19 ... -says.html

[Fiannan]

The woman who made the video posted in the OP has been arrested for wearing immodest clothing in public.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/19 ... -says.html

Any of these women available for comment? http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/744 ... an-protest

[MMbelieve]

The only reason I can think of women here wearing the hijab is to show support to the Muslim women here. A sense of, "hey, we accept you" and the way to show that is to adopt a bit of their culture from time to time. Much like a welcoming or a way to bring support and comfort.

Ironic that if a member were to start hanging out socially with the FLDS they would immediately come under suspicion and get called into their local bishop real fast -- however the only difference between the FLDS on the issue of polygamy is that Islam teaches that a man can have 4 wives and the FLDS sets no limit. And how young can a man marry a female in Islam?

Come on, support? Not all Muslim women wear hijabs -- in fact it is due to the influence of Saudi Arabia and Wahabbism that hijabs have become more common in many Muslim nations. You want to adopt some of their culture? Great, there are many positive things about Islam like having big families or not drinking alcohol. But you are not helping Muslim women by wearing a hijab -- you are only hurting the women who, like the one in the video, are trying to phase out this practice.

And yes, the USA is very much part of why Islam has become far more strict. Part is due to the immorality of Hollywood and creating an image of a hedonistic west, part is rooted in the Cold War and facilitating an expansion of Saudi influence and power in order to halt Arab nationalism and socialistic reforms, and finally the USA has sought to destroy secular governments in the Middle East.

I said it was my best guess, I have no idea. I'm not one of them, either of them so really was my best guess as a woman of the "why". It doesn't make sense to me and I sure wouldn't do it.

Here's another guess, maybe they are showing support in a twisted way. Wear the hijab and find more reason to feel repressed and fuel the femanist fire within...lol. I really don't know.

[Gage]

I am not experienced in either the Muslim world, or in the femanist agenda...but i am a woman and can say that women do get caught up in the "emotions" or heart of the matter and need guidance in the practicality or logical side sometimes.

The only reason I can think of women here wearing the hijab is to show support to the Muslim women here. A sense of, "hey, we accept you" and the way to show that is to adopt a bit of their culture from time to time. Much like a welcoming or a way to bring support and comfort.

If one goes to visit another country and is invited to partake in any culture stuff be it food, practice or whatever...it would be polite to join in. But, the muslim women here we know cannot join in to show their support and respect with regard to apparel, so we adjust to show the support (sisterhood) at that moment.

I don't know, that's my best guess.

The only reason an American woman does anything is for attention, for herself. They could care less about a Muslim lady here or in a Muslim country. "hey we accept you" is the farthest thing from their minds.

[MMbelieve]

I am not experienced in either the Muslim world, or in the femanist agenda...but i am a woman and can say that women do get caught up in the "emotions" or heart of the matter and need guidance in the practicality or logical side sometimes.

The only reason I can think of women here wearing the hijab is to show support to the Muslim women here. A sense of, "hey, we accept you" and the way to show that is to adopt a bit of their culture from time to time. Much like a welcoming or a way to bring support and comfort.

If one goes to visit another country and is invited to partake in any culture stuff be it food, practice or whatever...it would be polite to join in. But, the muslim women here we know cannot join in to show their support and respect with regard to apparel, so we adjust to show the support (sisterhood) at that moment.

I don't know, that's my best guess.

The only reason an American woman does anything is for attention, for herself. They could care less about a Muslim lady here or in a Muslim country. "hey we accept you" is the farthest thing from their minds.

Wrong.

You shouldnt generalize the entire female population in america.

And perhaps you should find different women to associate with.

[Gage]

Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.

In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, 19The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, 20The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, 21The rings, and nose jewels, 22The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, 23The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.

And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty

[Fiannan]

The woman who made the video posted in the OP has been arrested for wearing immodest clothing in public.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/19 ... -says.html

Could we offer to trade a virtue signaling LDS hijab wearer to the Saudis? She would be expected to "obey the law of the land."

[MMbelieve]

Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.

In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, 19The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, 20The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, 21The rings, and nose jewels, 22The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, 23The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.

And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty

Does this prove your statement about American women? Do you honestly think all women are like this?

And who exactly are the daughters of zion?

Yes, there are plenty of men and women who could fit parts of this description but it's certainly not all, only the vain.

[Gage]

Not all but many, I dont think there would be entire scriptures that would pertain to just a hand full of women. The scriptures are talking about women today, not 200 years from now but today. Since they are describing women of today and its so bad that it is mentioned in the Bible, so bad the Lord vents his frustration, I think its safe to say that it is more than just a few women that behave this way. So stay on your "women power" kick all you want, the Lord doesnt care about your politically correct "men and women are the same", women are great- men stink, liberal views.

[MMbelieve]

Not all but many, I dont think there would be entire scriptures that would pertain to just a hand full of women. The scriptures are talking about women today, not 200 years from now but today. Since they are describing women of today and its so bad that it is mentioned in the Bible, so bad the Lord vents his frustration, I think its safe to say that it is more than just a few women that behave this way. So stay on your "women power" kick all you want, the Lord doesnt care about your politically correct "men and women are the same", women are great- men stink, liberal views.

You obviously have serious issue with women.

Why it is that when a woman stands up for herself and others like her she is called a femanist?

Dude, check out of your hatred bubble, yes there are vain women and horrible women in this world but your initital comment implied all American women do not care about anybody and only do things for attention. You are VERY wrong. And, there are a ton of women who are not vain. Geez, do you realize what you are actually saying?

And I'm on a power kick bashing one gender? No, you are.

If you cannot see that there are decent and good women around still, get out of your location and move country.

I never said men were bad. Your assuming I'm a femanist because I said that there are decent women who are not what you have suggested they are.

Yes, the world is full vanity and it's all over the media and in your face....but media is not and has never been an adequate representation of an entire population.

I do not appreciate being lumped into the modern femanist movement of male bashing when I did no such thing. And being insulted by calling me a liberal. I'm not your grandma's conservative but I'm not what you refer to as a liberal. Geez, get some fresh air man before your judgements condemn your soul.

[Gage]

Not all but many, I dont think there would be entire scriptures that would pertain to just a hand full of women. The scriptures are talking about women today, not 200 years from now but today. Since they are describing women of today and its so bad that it is mentioned in the Bible, so bad the Lord vents his frustration, I think its safe to say that it is more than just a few women that behave this way. So stay on your "women power" kick all you want, the Lord doesnt care about your politically correct "men and women are the same", women are great- men stink, liberal views.

You obviously have serious issue with women.

Why it is that when a woman stands up for herself and others like her she is called a femanist?

Dude, check out of your hatred bubble, yes there are vain women and horrible women in this world but your initital comment implied all American women do not care about anybody and only do things for attention. You are VERY wrong. And, there are a ton of women who are not vain. Geez, do you realize what you are actually saying?

And I'm on a power kick bashing one gender? No, you are.

If you cannot see that there are decent and good women around still, get out of your location and move country.

I never said men were bad. Your assuming I'm a femanist because I said that there are decent women who are not what you have suggested they are.

Yes, the world is full vanity and it's all over the media and in your face....but media is not and has never been an adequate representation of an entire population.

I do not appreciate being lumped into the modern femanist movement of male bashing when I did no such thing. And being insulted by calling me a liberal. I'm not your grandma's conservative but I'm not what you refer to as a liberal. Geez, get some fresh air man before your judgements condemn your soul.

Relax I was honestly teasing with liberal name calling, I knew that might not go over well, I should not have typed it.

[Finrock]

As far as Isaiah, it applies to the end times just as much as it applied to the time of Isaiah. The daughters of Zion are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Not to worry, however, because Isaiah has a lot to say about the men in the Church too in the "latter-days". What Isaiah is saying is that the Lord's people in the latter-days will be idolatrous and will reject the higher truth, rejecting Zion, and seeking some alternative paths which do not lead to Christ. Isaiah is for us today and it is good to heed his warnings and to take them in to consideration.

-Finrock

[Gage]

As far as Isaiah, it applies to the end times just as much as it applied to the time of Isaiah. The daughters of Zion are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Not to worry, however, because Isaiah has a lot to say about the men in the Church too in the "latter-days". What Isaiah is saying is that the Lord's people in the latter-days will be idolatrous and will reject the higher truth, rejecting Zion, and seeking some alternative paths which do not lead to Christ. Isaiah is for us today and it is good to heed his warnings and to take them in to consideration.

-Finrock

Maybe if I could learn to explain things like that I would stop getting so much hate mail. Well done.

[Fiannan]

Collaboration of the feminist movement with the far left has entrenched notions of hostility to Western values, fostered a romantic lure of revolutionary movements, and found common cause with the anti-Western ideology of radical Islam. The alliance between feminists and the far Left has been reinforced by the philosophy of cultural relativism that has curbed criticism of different cultures.

Instead of joining the new suffragettes, third-wave feminists have pursued a fashionable counterculture and diet of Marxist leftovers. Worse, they have turned against the original principles of freedom and equality and joined with the enemies of their Muslim sisters.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 7ba00d12f0

So why the heck are some Mormon women becoming part of this mix? I would hope it is due to nativity or basic virtue signaling. Yes, many are craving attention "Look at me, I am so tolerant" which is as much a form of pride as wearing expensive clothes. And yes, I am sure some of them are leftists just as the article describes. Nevertheless, people should strive to do what is right for the right reasons. And yes, we would think that LDS women should be applauding women like the one in the video for challenging a system that is as brutal as anything North Korea has to offer.