5 Reasons to Avoid Russian Women

[Fiannan]

A woman can never say no to her husband or she is causing him to sin? You don't have a problem with that? You also don't have a problem telling Fiannan how of elven your husband wants sex and how often you agree to it?

I was making a connection with wards inviting Muslims to special events. Then I posted an Islamic site that says it is a sin for women to refuse their husband if he wants sex (if she is healthy and such). Do you have a problem with that?

That's all I was trying to say, he shouldn't be concerned with how often a woman in relief society has sex with her husband. He should be concerned with his own marriage and his own wife. How is that a bad comment?

Yet if women deny men sex, or men deny women sex, in marriage then that obviously sows the seed for pornography use or cheating on them. Then we have divorces and children leaving the Church. You argue with this?

And is it wrong to ask for more respect (discretion) about women and their sex life? How is that a bad statement?

You never read the Old Testament, did you. I suppose you have not read some of Brigham Young's statements either.

And women are more than sex and should be respected a bit more for their potential to become a goddess. Is that a bad comment?

If I replaced women with the word men, would you then agree that the statements are okay?

Who said women are just sex objects? I hate it when people go to extremes to undercut someone in a debate. It reminds me of when people say that marriage and children are the ideal and a social justice warrior claims you are just supporting the patriarchy and want women to be barefoot and pregnant.

I get it, women don't have sex with their husband's and men view porn and are miserable and depressed and cheat or fight the urge to cheat, etc. But teaching a woman that she's responsible for all that is the same as teaching a man that he is responsible for every single thing wrong with his wife because he doesn't perfectly care for her needs and see the value of doing such a thing.

You know how many times I have heard in Church that the husband is responsible for how happy his wife is?

My issue was with the cheap shot remark. If women do cheap shot remarks to men they blow up. So a cheap shot to women is okay?

Please, show me where any cheap shot was made, except to link an article from an Islamic site. Again, you have a problem with Islam?

You may not view it as a cheap shot and that's okay, it may not be to YOU. But then I hope that sitting through a lesson telling you and others to give it whenever or you cause him to sin sits well with you.

Ah, you mean like in Church when priesthood holders are told they are the spiritual stewards of their homes but yet are also told they should never actually exercise any authority that might be seen as nagging?

[Fiannan]

Marriage is seen as a win for women and a loss for men, and the culture is confused at why men don't willingly sign up for that loss.

And now that the technology is being developed to replace women with robots, and to have artificial wombs that will create families for such men, with a synthetic woman to care for the kids, the feminists are blowing a gasket.

remember the first law of economics -- demand will create supply. Scientists know where money will be made.

[MMbelieve]

Marriage is seen as a win for women and a loss for men, and the culture is confused at why men don't willingly sign up for that loss.

And now that the technology is being developed to replace women with robots, and to have artificial wombs that will create families for such men, with a synthetic woman to care for the kids, the feminists are blowing a gasket.

remember the first law of economics -- demand will create supply. Scientists know where money will be made.

Why do femanist blow a gasket over men not wanting them? I thought, according to many, they were all gay anyway.

Anyway, perhaps the porn, robots, artificial wombs, and new trend of bashing women is merely the evil plan of satan? If course there are "reasons" people will state but are they not just pawns in a bigger agenda? Destroy the family.

[Sirocco]

Marriage is seen as a win for women and a loss for men, and the culture is confused at why men don't willingly sign up for that loss.

And now that the technology is being developed to replace women with robots, and to have artificial wombs that will create families for such men, with a synthetic woman to care for the kids, the feminists are blowing a gasket.

remember the first law of economics -- demand will create supply. Scientists know where money will be made.

Yes at the end of the day, you can't crap on men and expect them to marry you.
It brings me great joy to know someday these harpies will be replaced.

I wonder if I'll marry a robot lol

[Fiannan]

Why do femanist blow a gasket over men not wanting them? I thought, according to many, they were all gay anyway.

Because it would make them irrelevant. In a sense it is like when those super-obese women wearing bikinis post those "why I need feminism" pictures with slogans like "because I don't want to be seen as a sex object." I doubt this is a problem but they pretend it is.

Anyway, perhaps the porn, robots, artificial wombs, and new trend of bashing women is merely the evil plan of satan? If course there are "reasons" people will state but are they not just pawns in a bigger agenda? Destroy the family.

New trend of bashing women? I am certainly not a fan of bashing women in the least. Stop trying to re-direct the issues brought up here. What men and women (most women) are tired of is the trend to bash men even in conservative circles. Yes, the stink of 3rd wave feminism can permeate even the sacred walls of our chapels. Rather than join in on it we should all be fighting it.

[JohnnyL]

Nothing special for the fathers today. As the bishop reminded us, "Whatever I spend to give to the fathers, I have to take from the mothers." Huh?! How are those two expenditures related?? The mothers got a huge chocolate bar, by the way. Oh, and take them to all the women who didn't come today. I remember the "every woman is a mother" talk. Will we get an "every man is a father" talk?

Feminism? Sexism? Bashing women?

[Silver Pie]

Oh yeah? Well, I know a Nigerian prince who will give you $100 Million if you send him your bank account number, your social security number and your date of birth.

I once got an email from a friend, saying she was stuck in England and needed money to get home. The only problem was, she lived in AZ and had no money to go abroad, was in too poor of health to go abroad, and I had seen her not too many weeks before the scam email.

And I may have met your Nigerian prince's brother.

[Silver Pie]

Nothing special for the fathers today. As the bishop reminded us, "Whatever I spend to give to the fathers, I have to take from the mothers." Huh?! How are those two expenditures related?? The mothers got a huge chocolate bar, by the way. Oh, and take them to all the women who didn't come today. I remember the "every woman is a mother" talk. Will we get an "every man is a father" talk?

Feminism? Sexism? Bashing women?

Wait. What? All we ever got was a flower (which is great if it's the kind you can plant) or a book (usually boring) that was a guilt trip for all but the most perfect woman. The men got candy bars or cookies or some other such goodies.

[passionflower]

Nothing special for the fathers today. As the bishop reminded us, "Whatever I spend to give to the fathers, I have to take from the mothers." Huh?! How are those two expenditures related?? The mothers got a huge chocolate bar, by the way. Oh, and take them to all the women who didn't come today. I remember the "every woman is a mother" talk. Will we get an "every man is a father" talk?

Feminism? Sexism? Bashing women?

In order to make the financial expenditure equal between boys and girls, didn't the church get rid of a scouting program for older boys?

My bishop a few years back would not buy flowers for Mothers' Day, nor would he have a Sacrament meeting devoted to this Holiday. He claimed this did nothing but give business to the florist shops. His wife was mad and complained all over the ward.

I don't eat chocolate. I don't like chocolate. Never EVER do I like to receive it as a gift. But somehow, every Mothers's Day, or every time the RS wants to give something "special" to us sisters, it is always a chocolate bar, chocolate ball, orange, egg, etc. Like it can be taken for granted that all LDS women are chocolate addicts. It is as if some indulgent deep dark chocolate secret is shared between all sisters in the ward, and if you don't have your hand in the chocolate cookie jar, so to speak, you aren't really "one" of the girls. I have know sisters to laugh about their stashes of chocolate candies and goodies secretly hidden from husbands and children, as if every woman knows that every other women is doing it. When I was a Personal Progress leader, I held one of those nights where the girls get to display their projects for the year, and after the refreshments were being served, the YW Presidency and several other sisters seemed to be in a thick swarm around one end of the refreshment table, like they are having a conference or something. Going over there to ask a question, I discover they are surrounding plates of chocolate candies, brownies, and cupcakes, and are completely devouring them while pretending to talk about something important. Watching them weirded me out. It was like they were all in a trance as they ate and ate and ate and ate.......

I have learned NEVER to say in RS I don't like chocolate unless I want to experience instant ostracism.

[Sirocco]

I would always sit alone at the church lunches and people would always find me.
I wasn't going to snap at them to get away from me, they were just curious about me as a person, I also hold my hands weird when I pray that didn't help.

Chocolate makes me sick, but men aren't expected to like it lol

[freedomforall]

Why, because they are able to run real fast?

[Silver]

Why, because they are able to run real fast?

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[Fiannan]

I remember the "every woman is a mother" talk. Will we get an "every man is a father" talk?

Say what???

[passionflower]

I have a friend who got asked by the Stake RS President to speak to her ward RS this last Mothers' Day about Mothers' Day. But she was instructed to NOT talk about Motherhood, or anything "like unto it", because somehow Motherhood is an offensive topic.

Instead, she was instructed to focus on womanhood in a sort of female empowerment "you don't need a man or kids to be fulfulled" way.

She didn't like that AT ALL, so she said to herself "screw the Stake RS. My husband is the bishop and if he says it's OK to talk about motherhood on Mother's Day, I will!" And he did. And she did,

So she gets up in RS and gives a little 10 minute talk of on the simple joys of motherhood, nothing deep or heavy here, But she couldn't get through it. Just about every other sentence, the ward RS pres interrupted her with corrections, criticisms, and talked over her until she completely ruined my friend's talk.

When my friend told me what happened, I said, "Women in this church will go to great lengths, I mean literally stop at nothing in order to feel emotionally and socially validated. (the victim thing) They won't care who else they steal this validation from, or who or what principles they walk on."

These kind of stances are not meant to create equality between women, the genders, to be fairly heard by the church, or even to stand up for what is right. They are simply defensive ways of saying " I am OK, but you are not OK", which is the MO of feminism and a form of controlling behaviour . You can see this behaviour in action in the video on another thread showing a 12 year old girl "bearing her testimony" with a lesbian theme. This self-validating-attention-getting-testimony bearing is done so often by other women in the church that we don't even notice where the speaker ( or writer of the speech ) is setting us up and getting us hooked for the "I am coming out of the closet as a lesbian" payoff shock. At first, It just seems like another ordinary testimony ( except that it is being read).

Like I have said so many times before: women with controlling behaviour is the number one cause of divorce in this church(IMO).

Stories abound of the drama queens who refuse to come to church on Mothers' Day or leave Sacrament Meeting in tears. Because they are not mothers themselves, they can't be big enough to celebrate other mothers or even think of their own mother. They just claim church is the ultimate evil by "making" them feel bad. I have also seen a woman storm out of Sacrament Meeting because she found the Bishop's praises about his own mother offensive ( she couldn't stand to be "made" to feel inadequate by the stories he told of her ).

[Fiannan]

We must teach our sons and daughters to stand up for what is right -- even in the face of the cultural Marxism that infecting our Church at every level.

[Fiannan]

Please show this to your children as well as share it with friends:

[passionflower]

We must teach our sons and daughters to stand up for what is right -- even in the face of the cultural Marxism that infecting our Church at every level.

My advise to my kids was "ask yourself where all the information coming at you comes FROM. " And I think that is good advise for everyone. Where is your information coming from? Is the primary source the scriptures? Because even though the church has continuing revelation, and may have to adapt to changing social and political conditions or other exigencies, God HImself is unchangeable and is still the same yesterday, today and forever, and it is HIM to whom we are trying to return to.

No matter what is going on around us, absolute truth still exists and cannot be confounded. Feminism has no scriptural support and there are no eternal principles supporting it. The Patriarchal Order does have scriptural support and many if not all, eternal principles support it.

Good mental health has to be based on the ability to accept reality, and all psychoses and neuroses have at their roots the refusal to do so. There is simply no growth into maturity until reality can be squarely faced.

What is cultural Marxism? I have heard the term here but, like a lot of things, I can really only vaguely guess what it means.

[Fiannan]

What is cultural Marxism? I have heard the term here but, like a lot of things, I can really only vaguely guess what it means.

Well, to summarize, the left found its message of overthrowing the capitalistic system of the west to be falling on deaf ears in the 1950s. You see, living conditions of working class Americans were fantastic and when compared to the Soviet model they were out of this world. So what to do? Well, a lot of leftists in both psychology and academia decided that if, as Freud said, civilization was based on shared ideals and repression of the more aggressive aspects of the libido, the thing to do would be to overturn the model and unleash forces that would shatter the foundations and collapse the society. And rather than go against (forgive the science fiction analogy) the battlestar with a basestar (and lose) the best way to take out western civilization would be with small attack fighters. To take the analogy another step, each would symbolize different challenges to the system; one might be minority oppression, the other sexual liberation, the other feminism, the other gay liberation, the other reproductive rights and so on. The idea would be to get people fragmented and more individual (not in the traditional sense of individuality), anti-religious and against tradition. You see this tactic being used today against not only conservative values but even in the LDS Church. My wife has a life-long friend who is now nearing 50 and has left the Church over the issue of gay equality. When my wife talked with her she spoke of her new activities of organizing pride celebrations this summer. She was always interested in men but never found "Peter Priesthood" (she was always ultra-devout) and my wife wonders if she may have gone over to the other team. So a little here, and a little there...

[David13]

First let me say I am nearly 70 and have no children, never did. And I would never think to feel inadequate or uncomfortable with the praise and "Happy Father's Day" admonitions yesterday.
Do those women think I should feel bad? No of course not, they are sexists, only they should feel bad.
In our ward it was all women who spoke. And at least one was all about father's and fathers day. The others all praised the men, the father's and their own father.
A very healthy meeting.
I don't have any psychological hangups that I want to blame on other people.
As to cultural marxism, there was a post here within the last few weeks that gave a rather good definition. Maybe someobody can find it for you. I'll try later.
dc

And I think it may have originally been posted by Fianan so if you want to read further, search his posts (her posts?). (I don't know if I ever figured that one out.)

Oh, and also, they did give something to the fathers yesterday. I didn't see what it was, they didn't approach me. I think they did last year, candy bars or something, I just refused.

[JohnnyL]

I see boys in elementary school crying ALL.THE.TIME. Emotional meltdowns over, "he said I was meaaaaaaaaan" and stuff like that.

I see women offended by DC 25, especially the "be better" part, didn't Jesus know Emma was a daughter of God??

At least our RS is pretty good at putting the women in their place, off the self-aggrandizing pedestal. I love hearing those reports.

I'm glad my wife got a huge chocolate bar, because I ate about 80% of it. :))

Oh, my Stake RS presidency story: In the bishopric, I asked the SRSP when they visited our ward to teach, "Could you please talk to them about honoring, sustaining, supporting, and loving their husbands?" "Huh??! No." So they proceeded to give their talks, and from what I heard, there was quite a bit of contention, and it ended on a bad note, lol.

Although, my mom's Stake RS presidency story is different: She gave a talk that the chauvinistic, controlling bishop didn't like, who talked to the SP, who chided her with the bishop present. She politely told him basically to forget it, and that if that was the way it was going to be, she would quit. She didn't have to, as she got released quickly after.

[passionflower]

What is cultural Marxism? I have heard the term here but, like a lot of things, I can really only vaguely guess what it means.

Well, to summarize, the left found its message of overthrowing the capitalistic system of the west to be falling on deaf ears in the 1950s. You see, living conditions of working class Americans were fantastic and when compared to the Soviet model they were out of this world. So what to do? Well, a lot of leftists in both psychology and academia decided that if, as Freud said, civilization was based on shared ideals and repression of the more aggressive aspects of the libido, the thing to do would be to overturn the model and unleash forces that would shatter the foundations and collapse the society. And rather than go against (forgive the science fiction analogy) the battlestar with a basestar (and lose) the best way to take out western civilization would be with small attack fighters. To take the analogy another step, each would symbolize different challenges to the system; one might be minority oppression, the other sexual liberation, the other feminism, the other gay liberation, the other reproductive rights and so on. The idea would be to get people fragmented and more individual (not in the traditional sense of individuality), anti-religious and against tradition. You see this tactic being used today against not only conservative values but even in the LDS Church. My wife has a life-long friend who is now nearing 50 and has left the Church over the issue of gay equality. When my wife talked with her she spoke of her new activities of organizing pride celebrations this summer. She was always interested in men but never found "Peter Priesthood" (she was always ultra-devout) and my wife wonders if she may have gone over to the other team. So a little here, and a little there...

Thank you. I would like to understand this better.
There is that D&C section 88(?) that begins by prophesying of the civil war and goes on to describe wars that will envelop all nations with slaves rising up against their masters. This section is a prophesy of doom and I cannot believe that God would ever be the inspiration behind the class warfare described here.

So how can I believe God would inspire women, gays, blacks, labor unions, etc, to act like a "class", and then turn around and condemn whites, particularly white males, as a "class"? How can anyone achieve the high ideal of love among "neighbors" while one neighbor hits the other over the head with a club and name calls, bears false witness, robs, murders, and otherwise condemns. Such conflicts show no interest in equality, but in conquest. ( and I call living off of welfare a form of robbery. My husband had a black guy tell him he had a right to take from him or the government because somehow being "white" meant my husband or the government had taken it from HIM ).

I wondered for years how the Civil War could possibly be connected to the World Wars in Europe, but now I see that in each case, those who suffered the most and were nearly obliterated were the upper class. Now who would really benefit from getting rid of them? I don't think poor russian peasant farmers did , or the Negro slave, or the working classes of Europe, either. So who is the winner here?

Sorry about your wife's friend. Single women have more opportunity to give charitably to others than the rest of us, and so many people are in much need. I am afraid to ask, but Why or WHY would she then devote herself to supporting a Gay Pride Parade?

[passionflower]

I see boys in elementary school crying ALL.THE.TIME. Emotional meltdowns over, "he said I was meaaaaaaaaan" and stuff like that.

I see women offended by DC 25, especially the "be better" part, didn't Jesus know Emma was a daughter of God??

At least our RS is pretty good at putting the women in their place, off the self-aggrandizing pedestal. I love hearing those reports.

I'm glad my wife got a huge chocolate bar, because I ate about 80% of it. :))

Oh, my Stake RS presidency story: In the bishopric, I asked the SRSP when they visited our ward to teach, "Could you please talk to them about honoring, sustaining, supporting, and loving their husbands?" "Huh??! No." So they proceeded to give their talks, and from what I heard, there was quite a bit of contention, and it ended on a bad note, lol.

Although, my mom's Stake RS presidency story is different: She gave a talk that the chauvinistic, controlling bishop didn't like, who talked to the SP, who chided her with the bishop present. She politely told him basically to forget it, and that if that was the way it was going to be, she would quit. She didn't have to, as she got released quickly after.

Good for your RS. My bishop asked me to make comments in RS along those lines, too.
My husband eats my chocolate bars, etc, too.
Wow, your mom's Stake RS President defied the SP and the Bishop? And would ditch a calling given by God? And she couldn't see anything wrong with that?
Is the church having some kind of psychotic episode right now? Maybe it is all that Cultural Marxism.

[brianj]

So how can I believe God would inspire women, gays, blacks, labor unions, etc, to act like a "class", and then turn around and condemn whites, particularly white males, as a "class"? How can anyone achieve the high ideal of love among "neighbors" while one neighbor hits the other over the head with a club and name calls, bears false witness, robs, murders, and otherwise condemns. Such conflicts show no interest in equality, but in conquest. ( and I call living off of welfare a form of robbery. My husband had a black guy tell him he had a right to take from him or the government because somehow being "white" meant my husband or the government had taken it from HIM ).

I wondered for years how the Civil War could possibly be connected to the World Wars in Europe, but now I see that in each case, those who suffered the most and were nearly obliterated were the upper class. Now who would really benefit from getting rid of them? I don't think poor russian peasant farmers did , or the Negro slave, or the working classes of Europe, either. So who is the winner here?

You don't need to believe God will inspire people to condemn whites and so forth. If you do believe that, it isn't true. God will inspire people to do what is good and right. Satan will inspire people to fight one another and so forth. God knows the end from the beginning and sees what the future holds for all of us. God knows that people will become increasingly wicked and become pawns to Satan, and knows what this will precipitate.

Remember that before Christ was born the final destruction of the Nephites was prophesied. God didn't make the Nephites and Lamanites fight one another; He foresaw that it would happen. Just as He has foreknowledge of what will happen in our day and afterward.

[MMbelieve]

I have a friend who got asked by the Stake RS President to speak to her ward RS this last Mothers' Day about Mothers' Day. But she was instructed to NOT talk about Motherhood, or anything "like unto it", because somehow Motherhood is an offensive topic.

Instead, she was instructed to focus on womanhood in a sort of female empowerment "you don't need a man or kids to be fulfulled" way.

She didn't like that AT ALL, so she said to herself "screw the Stake RS. My husband is the bishop and if he says it's OK to talk about motherhood on Mother's Day, I will!" And he did. And she did,

So she gets up in RS and gives a little 10 minute talk of on the simple joys of motherhood, nothing deep or heavy here, But she couldn't get through it. Just about every other sentence, the ward RS pres interrupted her with corrections, criticisms, and talked over her until she completely ruined my friend's talk.

When my friend told me what happened, I said, "Women in this church will go to great lengths, I mean literally stop at nothing in order to feel emotionally and socially validated. (the victim thing) They won't care who else they steal this validation from, or who or what principles they walk on."

These kind of stances are not meant to create equality between women, the genders, to be fairly heard by the church, or even to stand up for what is right. They are simply defensive ways of saying " I am OK, but you are not OK", which is the MO of feminism and a form of controlling behaviour . You can see this behaviour in action in the video on another thread showing a 12 year old girl "bearing her testimony" with a lesbian theme. This self-validating-attention-getting-testimony bearing is done so often by other women in the church that we don't even notice where the speaker ( or writer of the speech ) is setting us up and getting us hooked for the "I am coming out of the closet as a lesbian" payoff shock. At first, It just seems like another ordinary testimony ( except that it is being read).

Like I have said so many times before: women with controlling behaviour is the number one cause of divorce in this church(IMO).

Stories abound of the drama queens who refuse to come to church on Mothers' Day or leave Sacrament Meeting in tears. Because they are not mothers themselves, they can't be big enough to celebrate other mothers or even think of their own mother. They just claim church is the ultimate evil by "making" them feel bad. I have also seen a woman storm out of Sacrament Meeting because she found the Bishop's praises about his own mother offensive ( she couldn't stand to be "made" to feel inadequate by the stories he told of her ).

Have you thought that maybe a woman without a child aches in her heart? God gave her the desire and duty to have children and she can't or her children died? Making fun of her and telling her how she "should" behave or think is CONTROLLING behavior on your part.

[brianj]

Stories abound of the drama queens who refuse to come to church on Mothers' Day or leave Sacrament Meeting in tears. Because they are not mothers themselves, they can't be big enough to celebrate other mothers or even think of their own mother. They just claim church is the ultimate evil by "making" them feel bad. I have also seen a woman storm out of Sacrament Meeting because she found the Bishop's praises about his own mother offensive ( she couldn't stand to be "made" to feel inadequate by the stories he told of her ).

Have you thought that maybe a woman without a child aches in her heart? God gave her the desire and duty to have children and she can't or her children died? Making fun of her and telling her how she "should" behave or think is CONTROLLING behavior on your part.

To be blunt, so what?

What about the fathers whose wives took their children away in a divorce and ignore court orders to allow the father visitation or any access to his children? Should we pretend that Father's Day isn't happening to protect their feelings? There is plenty of research indicating that men feel emotions more intensely than women, so shouldn't we protect their feelings?

And what about parents whose children turn from the church? Shouldn't we stop making a big deal out of another ward member leaving on a mission or returning to protect their feelings? Or those whose are forced to sit through a baby blessing after their child left the church or died, suffering because they will never see grandchildren blessed? Or... Or... Or...

I almost decided not to go on a mission at the last moment. Why? Not because of anything you would expect. Because I asked EVERYBODY I could think of to go to the temple with me, knowing I was supposed to have an escort, and not one person was willing to be my escort. Finally I decided that If the next person doesn't agree to be my escort I'm just not going. That person agreed to be my escort. But almost EVERY SINGLE TIME I go to the temple I am forced to face big families providing an amount of support to someone receiving their endowment that I can't begin to imagine. So why don't you call up the general authority in charge of the temple department and tell him to prohibit families from going to the temple together when someone receives their endowment to protect my emotions?

Or better yet, look beyond Mosiah 18:9. Take a look at Romans 12:15 where we are instructed to "Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep."

When I see someone in the temple surrounded by 40+ family members, or over 100 people in front of the temple waiting to celebrate a new marriage, or a baby blessed, or the love that other men are receiving on Father's Day, I really wish that someone would mourn with the man who is mourning, weeping with him that wishes he could bring himself to weep. But that doesn't give me a pass so I try to rejoice with them that do rejoice.

As painful as seeing other people's dreams come true when you have the same dream and it was crushed, it sucks. But that shouldn't stop those with crushed dreams from trying to support those who are rejoicing.