I think the word femanist is thrown around too much. I personally wasn't speaking at all of femanism. Not all women are femanist.Sirocco wrote: ↑June 20th, 2017, 7:37 amMMbelieve wrote: ↑June 20th, 2017, 12:10 amThank you for your support sarah.Sarah wrote: ↑June 19th, 2017, 11:54 pmbrianj wrote: ↑June 19th, 2017, 9:46 pm
To be blunt, so what?
What about the fathers whose wives took their children away in a divorce and ignore court orders to allow the father visitation or any access to his children? Should we pretend that Father's Day isn't happening to protect their feelings? There is plenty of research indicating that men feel emotions more intensely than women, so shouldn't we protect their feelings?
And what about parents whose children turn from the church? Shouldn't we stop making a big deal out of another ward member leaving on a mission or returning to protect their feelings? Or those whose are forced to sit through a baby blessing after their child left the church or died, suffering because they will never see grandchildren blessed? Or... Or... Or...
I almost decided not to go on a mission at the last moment. Why? Not because of anything you would expect. Because I asked EVERYBODY I could think of to go to the temple with me, knowing I was supposed to have an escort, and not one person was willing to be my escort. Finally I decided that If the next person doesn't agree to be my escort I'm just not going. That person agreed to be my escort. But almost EVERY SINGLE TIME I go to the temple I am forced to face big families providing an amount of support to someone receiving their endowment that I can't begin to imagine. So why don't you call up the general authority in charge of the temple department and tell him to prohibit families from going to the temple together when someone receives their endowment to protect my emotions?
Or better yet, look beyond Mosiah 18:9. Take a look at Romans 12:15 where we are instructed to "Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep."
When I see someone in the temple surrounded by 40+ family members, or over 100 people in front of the temple waiting to celebrate a new marriage, or a baby blessed, or the love that other men are receiving on Father's Day, I really wish that someone would mourn with the man who is mourning, weeping with him that wishes he could bring himself to weep. But that doesn't give me a pass so I try to rejoice with them that do rejoice.
As painful as seeing other people's dreams come true when you have the same dream and it was crushed, it sucks. But that shouldn't stop those with crushed dreams from trying to support those who are rejoicing.
I think you are accusing MMbelieve of saying something she was not saying. She wasn't suggesting that the Church do away with Mother's Day talks and praise of motherhood for the sake of those who aren't mother's. She was calling out passionflower's criticism and mocking of women who really do feel a great deal of sadness on Mother's day, and her assumption that if they don't go to church they must be "Drama queens." Every time one of these types of threads appear, all I see is mocking, name calling, and over-generalizing of women in the Church, assuming they are all the same. Just because a woman has difficulty hearing about mothers doesn't mean she is a feminist. I had a small taste of these feelings when I was infertile in the beginning of my marriage. I can't imagine what some women go through who never marry or have children when that is something they have always longed for.
MMbelieve is right on with all her posts in this thread. Yes, there are feminists in the Church. I've known some who were pushing the Bishop to give women more say in ward government for example, but to assume that the majority of women are controlling for example - that is just way off. There are just as many controlling men out there.
It seems that kindness it hard to find these days. Sympathy towards women appears to be outdated anymore. Now, we find mostly criticism and I would dare say hatred. Sad indeed. And it's really sad that people are not noticing how they are playing right into Satan's plan. Destroy men, destroy women, divide the sexes, divide the home, compare, compete, judge, and become hard hearted.
Hearts are failing
Well a lot of them brought it on themselves, feminism is in many ways a toxic, hateful ideology.
You can't say to give a woman sympathy or such things is sexist, then demand it when you realize men not caring for you at all kind of sucks.
I admit to having no sympathy for them. In a world where sjw's are in the grass everywhere, one can never know when they might run into a crazy feminist, walking on egg shells around most of them, they get so easily offended and having them as friends is next to impossible.
That just might be me, but I somehow doubt that.
And I know the destruction of the family is certainly a larger plan, they want us in some 1984 thing, and these crazies are happy to hand over everything in exchange for transgender bathrooms and gay marriage.
Even importing thousands who will rape and murder them (because tolerance).
Women can't demand to be treated as men then quickly switch back to being treated as women at their convenience, this is what they wanted, these are the drawbacks.
I agree that a woman cannot have it both ways, the same as a man cannot have it both ways or a child cannot have it both ways.
If a man acts less manly (womanly) then demands to be treated like a man do you also deny him? Cause there are plenty of men who don't behave like men but more like children or women. Or is it woman's fault with her femanism that is of course causing men to lose their manhood?
I ask that question because alot of this thread is blaming women and it's not right to single one person out to take the blame. Much like a marriage, fault finding and blaming ALWAYS backfires and makes things worse. Also, marriage (problems between men and women) is very rarely the fault of one. Even if it appears the blame is on say a cheating husband, how many times is the wife brought in to show her all the ways she has messed up the marriage?
I wish the female bashing would stop. I wish the blanket assumptions of women would stop.
Yes, we all likely find that modern day femanism is not good but I view it much like I view the gay movement. It's actually a smaller majority than society wants us to believe. We also should be careful to not lump all women under the umbrella of femanism for anything and everything that isint barefoot and pregnant saying yes to husband on everything. That's ridiculous. A strong woman is not a femanist! A femanist, according to everyone's definition here, is a woman who tries to smash men to essentially stand as a Victor over his head.
I actually don't know anyone like that, you hear hints of that aggression in the media personalities but I just don't see it as widespread at all within the church. I actually see a bit more of the opposite taking place. Especially with the current wave of woman bashing.
Society and this thread is just like a bad marriage. It's really annoying and nearly hopeless.
Who would have thought that a very simple truth such as this : "husbands love your wife as Christ loved the church". would be mocked and ridiculed. Christ didn't say this was conditional but he commanded it. How come we as LDS no longer believe or respect anything? And we want further knowledge and truth? I mention a this because at very simple truths, I have been attacked on this thread. It amazes me.
Sirroco, my comment is generalized and no necessarily meant solely as a reply to yours.
See women are more visible in their intents and more straightforward, men on the other hand can do great damage but it's done quietly and such. For example, ignoring a wife or not extending a compassionate ear. That's very damaging to a woman. But it's all to often men scoff at that.