Good Behavior Trump Debate Thread

[Silver]

“I like her; I like her demeanor. I think she’s done a good job,” he said. “I’d like to see rates stay low. She’s historically been a low-interest-rate person" Trump added, reneging on yet another of his campaign promises.

Remember how last year Yellen was "political" and "artificially keeping rates down to help Hillary win" and basically the root of all evil? And this year it's all, "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie!"

Honestly the only thing worse than her would be his number 2 pick, Cohn. Why not someone not connected to Goldman Sachs, the globalist squid?

Hush, iWriteLogicalStuff. The snowflakes don't want to be woken.

[iWriteStuff]

“I like her; I like her demeanor. I think she’s done a good job,” he said. “I’d like to see rates stay low. She’s historically been a low-interest-rate person" Trump added, reneging on yet another of his campaign promises.

Remember how last year Yellen was "political" and "artificially keeping rates down to help Hillary win" and basically the root of all evil? And this year it's all, "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie!"

Honestly the only thing worse than her would be his number 2 pick, Cohn. Why not someone not connected to Goldman Sachs, the globalist squid?

Hush, iWriteLogicalStuff. The snowflakes don't want to be woken.

"All is well in Zion!"

[eddie]

“I like her; I like her demeanor. I think she’s done a good job,” he said. “I’d like to see rates stay low. She’s historically been a low-interest-rate person" Trump added, reneging on yet another of his campaign promises.

Remember how last year Yellen was "political" and "artificially keeping rates down to help Hillary win" and basically the root of all evil? And this year it's all, "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie!"

Honestly the only thing worse than her would be his number 2 pick, Cohn. Why not someone not connected to Goldman Sachs, the globalist squid?

Hush, iWriteLogicalStuff. The snowflakes don't want to be woken.

"All is well in Zion!"

I think some of your sense of humor is rubbing off on Hi Ho Silver, but really you should distance yourself from some of this, it's not right.

[Silver]

Warmongers. The elites love it when we kill brown people. So clearly the answer is America must stop the killing and stop electing lying, murdering presidents like Trump.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-2 ... -and-moral

Pat Buchanan Asks "Are America's Wars 'Just And Moral'?"

by Tyler Durden
Jul 25, 2017 10:15 PM

Authored by Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,

“One knowledgeable official estimates that the CIA-backed fighters may have killed or wounded 100,000 Syrian soldiers and their allies,” writes columnist David Ignatius.

Given that Syria’s prewar population was not 10 percent of ours, this is the equivalent of a million dead and wounded Americans. What justifies America’s participation in this slaughter?

Columnist Eric Margolis summarizes the successes of the six-year civil war to overthrow President Bashar Assad.

“The result of the western-engendered carnage in Syria was horrendous: at least 475,000 dead, 5 million Syrian refugees driven into exile in neighboring states (Turkey alone hosts three million), and another 6 million internally displaced. … 11 million Syrians … driven from their homes into wretched living conditions and near famine.

“Two of Syria’s greatest and oldest cities, Damascus and Aleppo, have been pounded into ruins. Jihadist massacres and Russian and American air strikes have ravaged once beautiful, relatively prosperous Syria. Its ancient Christian peoples are fleeing for their lives before US and Saudi takfiri religious fanatics.”
Realizing the futility of U.S. policy, President Trump is cutting aid to the rebels. And the War Party is beside itself. Says The Wall Street Journal:

“The only way to reach an acceptable diplomatic solution is if Iran and Russia feel they are paying too high a price for their Syria sojourn. This means more support for Mr. Assad’s enemies, not cutting them off without notice. And it means building up a Middle East coalition willing to fight Islamic State and resist Iran. The U.S. should also consider enforcing ‘safe zones’ in Syria for anti-Assad forces.”
Yet, fighting ISIS and al-Qaida in Syria, while bleeding the Assad-Iran-Russia-Hezbollah victors, is a formula for endless war and unending terrors visited upon the Syrian people.

What injury did the Assad regime, in power for half a century and having never attacked us, inflict to justify what we have helped to do to that country?

Is this war moral by our own standards?

We overthrew Saddam Hussein in 2003 and Moammar Gadhafi in 2012. Yet, the fighting, killing and dying in both countries have not ceased. Estimates of the Iraq civilian and military dead run into the hundreds of thousands.

Still, the worst humanitarian disaster may be unfolding in Yemen.

After the Houthis overthrew the Saudi-backed regime and took over the country, the Saudis in 2015 persuaded the United States to support its air strikes, invasion and blockade.

By January 2016, the U.N. estimated a Yemeni civilian death toll of 10,000, with 40,000 wounded. However, the blockade of Yemen, which imports 90 percent of its food, has caused a crisis of malnutrition and impending famine that threatens millions of the poorest people in the Arab world with starvation.

No matter how objectionable we found these dictators, what vital interests of ours were so imperiled by the continued rule of Saddam, Assad, Gadhafi and the Houthis that they would justify what we have done to the peoples of those countries?

“They make a desert and call it peace,” Calgacus said of the Romans he fought in the first century. Will that be our epitaph?

Among the principles for a just war, it must be waged as a last resort, to address a wrong suffered, and by a legitimate authority. Deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target.

The wars in Syria, Libya and Yemen were never authorized by Congress. The civilian dead, wounded and uprooted in Syria, and the malnourished millions in Yemen, represent a moral cost that seems far beyond any proportional moral gain from those conflicts.

In which of the countries we have attacked or invaded in this century — Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen — are the people better off than they were before we came?

And we wonder why they hate us.

“Those to whom evil is done/Do evil in return,” wrote W. H. Auden in “September 1, 1939.” As the peoples of Syria and the other broken and bleeding countries of the Middle East flee to Europe and America, will not some come with revenge on their minds and hatred in their hearts?

Meanwhile, as the Americans bomb across the Middle East, China rises. She began the century with a GDP smaller than Italy’s and now has an economy that rivals our own.

She has become the world’s first manufacturing power, laid claim to the islands of the East and South China seas, and told America to keep her warships out of the Taiwan Strait.

Xi Jinping has launched a “One Belt, One Road” policy to finance trade ports and depots alongside the military and naval bases being established in Central and South Asia.

Meanwhile, the Americans, $20 trillion in debt, running $800 billion trade deficits, unable to fix their health care system, reform their tax code, or fund an infrastructure program, prepare to fight new Middle East war.

Whom the Gods would destroy…

[freedomforall]

Whom the Gods would destroy…

dr;tl

[Silver]

What's President Kushner been up to lately? As you know, he and his pal Soros are doing real estate together. However, as this article details, Boy Wonder is either really stupid or he's a liar. (Hint: go with the 3rd alternative, stupid liar)

Pictures and links at the website below.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/07/ ... ssian.html

John Helmer: Jared Kushner’s Testimonial to Stupidity and Unfitness – American and Russian
Posted on July 25, 2017 by Yves Smith
Yves here. Helmer wrote to say he was doing some minor clean-up to this piece, and I will repost his mildly tweaked version later today.

By John Helmer, the longest continuously serving foreign correspondent in Russia, and the only western journalist to direct his own bureau independent of single national or commercial ties. Helmer has also been a professor of political science, and an advisor to government heads in Greece, the United States, and Asia. He is the first and only member of a US presidential administration (Jimmy Carter) to establish himself in Russia. Originally published at Dances with Bears

Jared Kushner’s title is Director of the Office of American Innovation at the White House, a new function for the old one of overseeing everything in the US Government for the benefit of the incumbent president. He’s also ranked Senior Advisor to the President, and by marriage he is son-in-law to President Donald Trump.

Stupidity isn’t a crime; it’s a life sentence. Not so for power. Supposing everything Kushner has written in his presentation to the US Senate Intelligence Committee on Monday is true, then one conclusion from a half-dozen bits of evidence he testifies to is obvious – Kushner is unfit to rule, and so are the Russians whom he mentions.

Here are the eleven pages of Kushner’s public statement to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. His committee appearance and additional testimony were behind closed doors, lasting about two hours. Kushner gave his testimony on Monday (July 24). Reading the statement isn’t difficult because the vocabulary is simple, the logic of presentation rudimentary, the style impersonal.

Two slips are revealing, but they have so far gone undetected in the voluminous US media coverage. The first reveals just how ignorant Kushner, his legal and other advisors are of Russia, although it is the target of the proceeding. At page 8, he claims “Nvgorod [is] the village where my grandparents were from in Belarus.” This looks like a typo for Novgorod (literally, “new town”), the ancient Russian city west of Moscow. It is more than 200 kilometres from the current Russian frontier with Belarus and the historical border with the territory which for a thousand years has been occupied by Lithuanian, Polish, German and Russian imperial as well as Soviet forces. Kushner’s grandparents actually came from Navahrudak (Навагрудак), spelled in Russian as Новогрудок (Novogrudok). The meaning of the word, which was first used for the place in the 11th century, is “new little town”. When the Germans arrived in July 1941, there were 20,000 residents, 10,000 of whom, including the Kushners, were Jewish. The Kushners escaped; the majority who didn’t were killed. Kushner reveals he doesn’t know. His, and everyone else’s mistake, is 834 kilometres off the mark.

Also, by the M1 highway direct between Minsk, the current capital of independent Belarus, and Moscow, the distance is 856 kms. If Kushner’s father-in-law launched a nuclear attack on Russia, followed up by NATO missiles and forces from Poland, the Baltic Sea and the shore territories, it’s likely Novogrudok would be bypassed; and depending on which way the wind was blowing, the radioactive fall-out, too. Kushner reveals he doesn’t comprehend these things.



Kushner’s second slip is evidence on the issue, as he states it, of collusion with Russia during the election campaign and during the presidential transition, before Trump was inaugurated on January 20. Kushner claims at the end of his testimony: “I did not collude, nor know of anyone else in the campaign who colluded, with any foreign government. I had no improper contacts.”

But Kushner admits that during the campaign he “had incoming [sic] contacts with people from approximately 15 countries.” He also had “hundreds” of “calls, letters and emails from people…outside the United States.” He says he asked Henry Kissinger for “advice on policy for the candidate, which countries/representatives with which the campaign should engage, and what messaging would resonate.” He says he spoke once for “less than a minute” with Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak at an April 2016 Trump campaign speech in Washington, when the Russian was accompanied by three other foreign ambassadors; Kushner doesn’t name them.

He denies any record of receiving or remembering two reported telephone calls with Kislyak between April and November, and had forgotten his name when, on November 9, an official congratulatory note arrived for Trump from President Vladimir Putin. From November 9 to January 20, Kushner says he received “over one hundred contacts from more than twenty countries…They included meetings with individuals such as Jordan’s King Abdullah II, Israel’s Prime Bibi Netanyahu, Mexico’s Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Luis Videgaray Caso and many more.”

A neophyte in foreign affairs as Kushner confesses himself to be, he doesn’t reveal that Videgaray and he set up candidate Trump’s visit to Mexico City to meet the Mexican President on August 31. The Mexican reaction to that was extremely hostile. Videgaray was forced to resign as finance minister on September 7, but promoted to foreign minister on January 4. Videgaray might be charged with colluding with the Americans to advance himself, with Kushner as co-conspirator, but no senator on the Intelligence Committee is reported to have asked Kushner about that.

Kushner may not know the nicknames of Videgaray or King Abdullah, but he certainly refers to the Israeli prime minister as Bibi, an appellation well-known to Israelis and Jews worldwide. His official name is Benjamin, and there is ample evidence that Kushner has been familiar with Netanyahu for many years. Kushner’s father is also widely reported in Israel as Netanyahu’s personal friend. Kushner’s slip in yesterday’s evidence was to reveal just how familiar he is with that foreign official, who met with Trump and Kushner for a campaign appearance in Israel in June, five months before Election Day.



The special relationship between Israel and the US cannot be collusion – that’s a rule of US politics. The rule wasn’t quite so fixed in the 1980s when the FBI caught US officials at spying, stealing and smuggling on behalf of Israel, and sent one of them to prison; click for details.

Nor can God and the Orthodox Jewish group known as Chabad-Lubavitch be reported as colluding in Trump’s victory, despite the evidence that Kushner and his wife Ivanka prayed for it at a Lubavitcher shrine on the weekend before the poll.


Source: http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-e ... 6/1.751279

The Israeli and Jewish community media also claim the possibility that Kushner’s pilgrimage reminded God to intervene when there was a suspected assassination attempt against Trump in Arizona at the same time.

The inadvertence of these slips in Kushner’s statement reinforces his claim that he knows the difference between collusion with Russians and special relationships with Mexican, Israeli and Lubavitcher friends. The US press and the US appear convinced of the same thing.

The evidence presented on Kushner’s meetings with Russians between April 2016 and January 20, 2017, adds up to four occasions for durations he reports of “less than” 1 minute + 10 minutes (“or so”) + 20-30 minutes + 20 – 25 minutes. That makes a total of 66 minutes at most, with several accompanying witnesses.

“Ten or so” of the minutes involved the recently reported meeting in New York on June 9, 2016, at which Kushner’s brother-in-law Donald Trump Jr. was hosting a Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, and her associates. Supposing that Kushner is telling the truth about the meeting on two points — that its subject was “the issue of a ban on US adoptions of Russian children”, and that he was uninterested and left prematurely – this time ought to be subtracted from the serious time Kushner admits he did spend on matters of state policy towards Russia. That leaves 56 minutes.

There are revelations in Kushner’s testimony about what transpired in this time. The first is that Dmitri Simes was involved with Kushner in arranging Trump’s campaign speech in April 2016, and that Simes fixed Kushner’s 1-minute introduction to Ambassador Kislyak. Simes runs the think-tank called Center for the National Interest, which was the creation of former President Richard Nixon. A Center press release reveals the other ambassadors Kushner shook hands with but doesn’t name were from Italy, Singapore and the Philippines. The names of others attending can be found here, without mention of Kushner, plus Trump’s speech.

About Russia on that occasion, Trump said: “Russia, for instance, has also seen the horror of Islamic terrorism. I believe an easing of tensions, and improved relations with Russia from a position of strength only is possible, absolutely possible. Common sense says this cycle, this horrible cycle of hostility must end and ideally will end soon. Good for both countries. Some say the Russians won’t be reasonable. I intend to find out. If we can’t make a deal under my administration, a deal that’s great — not good, great — for America, but also good for Russia, then we will quickly walk from the table. It’s as simple as that. We’re going to find out. “

Simes (Дмитрий Саймс), son of Jewish dissidents expelled from the Soviet Union to the US in 1978, is the Uriah Heep of Russian-American advisors, ingratiating themselves to both sides and making a living out of obsequious intermediation. He was Richard Nixon’s factotum when the disgraced president visited Moscow. Nixon died in 1994 leaving Simes his think-tank as an inheritance. Its motto is “America’s Voice for Strategic Realism”. Kissinger is the honorary chairman, succeeding the American International Group (AIG) fraudster Hank Greenberg.


From left to right: Simes, Greenberg and Kissinger. This month Greenberg was given the Center’s “Lifetime Achievement Award” in Kissinger’s presence, along with a general, an admiral, and four senators. Source: https://cftni.org/recent-events/cftni-p ... greenberg/

When there is escalating conflict between the US and Russian governments, Simes is of next to no value to either side. His advice has also been worthless when there is booming business between the Russian oligarchs and their US counterparts. The long dominance of Russia policy by the Clinton and Obama Administrations has been bad for Simes’s business; war between the White House and the Kremlin allows him no room for manoeuvre at all. So cultivating Kushner and Trump in the spring of 2016 was a business opportunity Simes exploited. Trading that to the Washington embassies of Italy, Singapore, the Philippines and Russia was Simes’s bread and butter. Kislyak and the other envoys got their minute with the candidate. They are likely to have paid for it.

Kushner now reveals how Kislyak tried cashing in. Kissinger and Simes continued being helfpul to the Trump campaign once they were sure he would win the Republican Party nomination. When Kushner’s memory of Kislyak’s name failed, he didn’t google for it — he says he sent Simes an email. Evidently, the name wasn’t urgently needed. Simes has continued to be as ingratiating to Kushner as he was at first to Nixon, and since then with every other candidate with the main chance.

What Kushner reveals with Simes, again inadvertently, is how inconsequential the Russian ambassador’s links were in Washington in 2016, despite starting his term eight years before, in 2008. If Simes was the go-between with Kislyak – if Kislyak couldn’t have gone straight to Kissinger, for example – then this is evidence of haphazard collision, not of calculated collusion.


Kislyak (right) meets Kissinger at the Russian Foreign Ministry in Moscow, with Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, in May 2017. Kissinger was directly courted by the Kremlin immediately before the US poll with election to the Russian Academy of Sciences, voted on October 28; for details, read this.

Kushner reveals more. According to his Senate testimony yesterday, Kislyak told Kushner “he especially wanted to address U.S. policy in Syria, and that he wanted to convey information from what he called his ‘generals’.” Supposing Kushner to have heard right, it is a remark which may be as novel for the Russian General Staff as it is new for the US Senate to hear. Was a diplomat really proposing to talk about operations on a war front with the enemy? And was Kislyak asking Kushner and General Michael Flynn, then the US National Security Advisor in waiting, for “a secure line in the transition office to conduct a conversation”?

Never mind that Kushner and Flynn said no, and “so we all agreed that we would receive this information after the Inauguration.” Accepting that Kushner didn’t ask for a back-channel, as he claims, the disclosure that Kislyak asked for one in this fashion — if Kushner is telling the truth — is a blunder of Kislyak-sized proportions. It begs the question: what were the ambassador’s instructions from the Foreign Ministry in Moscow, and what clearance had been given by the Security Council for such a meeting, with such a script, to take place?


Putin chaired Security Council meetings on November 8 – before the election result in the US was k nown – and on November 17 (pictured above) and November 28. Between November 17 and 28 Putin was travelling. Kislyak met Kushner on December 1, and asked for a follow-up session on December 6. That didn’t occur until December 12. In Moscow the Security Council met with Putin in the chair on December 1, 7, 13, and 24.

Kushner has one more disclosure to make of significance. He says that Kislyak kept pestering for another meeting but that he declined because he was too busy. Kislyak then proposed, and Kushner agreed, on a meeting between Kushner’s assistant and Kislyak. That happened on December 12.

Next, according to Kushner, “my assistant reported that the Ambassador had requested that I meet with a person named Sergey Gorkov who he said was a banker and someone with a direct line to the Russian President who could give insight into how Putin was viewing the new administration and best ways to work together. I agreed to meet Mr. Gorkov because the Ambassador has been so insistent, said he had a direct relationship with the President, and because Mr. Gorkov was only in New York for a couple days. I made room on my schedule for the meeting that occurred the next day, on December 13.”

Gorkov, head of the state bank Vnesheconombank (VEB), had met Putin in August of 2016 (pictured below, left), when they discussed development banking policy. They were to meet again, officially, on February 10 of this year (below, right).


Kushner now says he met Gorkov for “twenty to twenty-five minutes”. That’s shorter shrift than Kushner gave Kislyak.

“He told me a little about his bank,” Kushner testifies, “and made some statements about the Russian economy. He said that he was friendly with President Putin, expressed disappointment with U.S.-Russia relations under President Obama and hopes for a better relationship in the future. As I did at the meeting with Ambassador Kislyak, I expressed the same sentiments I had with other foreign officials I met. There were no specific policies discussed. We had no discussion about the sanctions imposed by the Obama Administration. At no time was there any discussion about my companies, business transactions, real estate projects, loans, banking arrangements or any private business of any kind.”

Kushner omits to say whether he employed an interpreter, notetaker or taperecorder at the meeting, and if Gorkov did the same. If Kushner didn’t, he cannot have been following Kissinger’s advice. That Gorkov’s VEB is not a commercial bank, and not intended to conduct the kind of business Kushner has operated for his family raises the questions of what Gorkov was intending to achieve with the call-in, why Kislyak requested it, and who in Moscow decided to push it.

Again, supposing the meeting with Gorkov was as anodyne as Kushner testifies, there is one little thing which stands out on the Russian side. Make that two little things. Kushner describes how Gorkov opened their meeting: “He introduced himself and gave me two gifts — one was a piece of art from Nvgorod, the village where my grandparents were from in Belarus, and the other was a bag of dirt from that same village.” Kushner has told the Senate the fact that he immediately registered the gifts with the presidential transition office proves that he wasn’t trying to conceal the meeting.

But what was Gorkov doing making a gift of anything? If Putin’s power vertical was running normally, this should have required a chain of memoranda, approvals, and instructions running from Putin through the Security Council, the Foreign Ministry and Kislyak. Whose idea was it to make a gift at such a place and time, and what gift options were discussed at the Kremlin?

Whatever the Russian calculation was on December 13, it appears now, in Kushner’s inadvertent retrospect, to have failed disastrously. He can’t remember the name or how to spell his grandparents’ natal village. It is a traditional Jewish custom to bury the faithful with a phial of earth from the Holy Land. But Kushner, apparently not as faithful as he might be, says Gorkov gave him “a bag of dirt”. That phrase says everything.

[freedomforall]

That phrase says everything.

dr:tl

[Silver]

Trump is a lying traitor and Lighthizer, the US Trade Representative named in the article, is a member of the CFR. Start tap dancing, you Trump supporters.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-ne ... overeignty

Thursday, 20 July 2017
NAFTA Renegotiation Objectives Would Diminish U.S. Sovereignty
Written by Steve Byas

During his successful bid for the White House, President Donald Trump gave hope to many Americans that he was going to — as he put it himself — “put America First” when it came to trade deals, including the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). Trump called NAFTA “the worst trade deal maybe ever signed anywhere, but certainly ever signed in this country.”

This week, U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) Robert Lighthizer released the renegotiation objectives for a new NAFTA deal, and a close look at those objectives raises many concerns from Americans about U.S. business and jobs, and most critically, American national sovereignty.

[Silver]

Donald Trump: Treason in his own words. Trump supporters, I invite you to take off your blinders and see.

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first- ... ions/?_r=0

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Richard N. Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, in 2012.

Donald Trump Held Briefing With Richard Haass, Head of Council on Foreign Relations

Mar.3, 2016

Donald J. Trump, who again declined on Thursday morning to say whom he talks to about foreign affairs, held a private briefing last summer with Richard N. Haass, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, a spokeswoman for Mr. Haass said Thursday.

The spokeswoman, Iva Zoric, released a statement after Mr. Trump made a laudatory statement about Mr. Haass in an appearance Thursday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

“I respect Richard Haass, who’s on your show a lot,” Mr. Trump said. “And I like him a lot. I have a few people that I really like and respect.’

Mr. Haass, as president of an independent nonpartisan organization, cannot make an endorsement in the presidential race, Ms. Zoric’s statement said. She said that he had offered to hold briefings with all candidates from both parties, and that so far Senator Marco Rubio, Jim Webb, Hillary Clinton, Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, Gov. John Kasich of Ohio and Jeb Bush had made appearances at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Ms. Zoric added that the Trump-Haass meeting was held in August.

[Silver]

The American Empire, in all its hubris, is a bully trying to effect regime change. in Venezuela. Trump is just another Gadianton puppet and his administration is full of NWO traitors.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-2 ... -venezuela

Pompeo recently admitted that the US would like to see regime change in Venezuela, the country with the largest oil reserves on earth.

During a Q&A at the Aspen Institute security forum, Pompeo “signaled CIA’s desire for a new government in Venezuela and acknowledged having conversations about the issue in Colombia and Mexico,” according to the Herald.

“Pompeo told the group the United States has a deep interest in a stable and democratic Venezuela and that he was 'hopeful that there can be a transition in Venezuela and we, the CIA is doing its best to understand the dynamic there.'
"‘I was just down in Mexico City and in Bogota a week before last talking about this very issue, trying to help them understand the things they might do so that they can get a better outcome for their part of the world and our part of the world.’”

[markharr]

Trump is a lying traitor and Lighthizer, the US Trade Representative named in the article, is a member of the CFR. Start tap dancing, you Trump supporters

Hush, iWriteLogicalStuff. The snowflakes don't want to be woken.

Is it just me or did Silver set up a thread with a bunch of rules and then proceed to break every single one of them? I didn't read through this whole thing, just a couple of examples from the last page.

[Silver]

Trump is a lying traitor and Lighthizer, the US Trade Representative named in the article, is a member of the CFR. Start tap dancing, you Trump supporters

Hush, iWriteLogicalStuff. The snowflakes don't want to be woken.

Is it just me or did Silver set up a thread with a bunch of rules and then proceed to break every single one of them? I didn't read through this whole thing, just a couple of examples from the last page.

Yeah, I tried, Mark.

The rules applied to the way we were to address each other, not to the subject of the discussion which is Trump. It was unsuccessful almost from the very beginning. Thanks for keeping me honest though.

[eddie]

Trump is a lying traitor and Lighthizer, the US Trade Representative named in the article, is a member of the CFR. Start tap dancing, you Trump supporters

Hush, iWriteLogicalStuff. The snowflakes don't want to be woken.

Is it just me or did Silver set up a thread with a bunch of rules and then proceed to break every single one of them? I didn't read through this whole thing, just a couple of examples from the last page.

Apparently he forgot to mention the rules don't apply to him!

[iWriteStuff]

Trump is a lying traitor and Lighthizer, the US Trade Representative named in the article, is a member of the CFR. Start tap dancing, you Trump supporters

Hush, iWriteLogicalStuff. The snowflakes don't want to be woken.

Is it just me or did Silver set up a thread with a bunch of rules and then proceed to break every single one of them? I didn't read through this whole thing, just a couple of examples from the last page.

Yeah, I tried, Mark.

The rules applied to the way we were to address each other, not to the subject of the discussion which is Trump. It was unsuccessful almost from the very beginning. Thanks for keeping me honest though.

Rules are no fun unless you can arbitrarily break them :p

That being said, my understanding was that we were to refrain from attacking each other. Trump is free game, especially if one can back up their position with evidence.

For my part, I think the evidence speaks for itself, and rather convincingly at that. Where's the counter-evidence that Trump is really a swell guy and felling Gadiantons with every stroke of his bigly arm? Seems to be going the other way more than not. What if he's a Gadianton posing as a non-Gadianton by pointing at other Gadiantons and (rightfully) accusing them of being Gadiantons from first hand knowledge? It's like a pirate pointing at another pirate and saying, "Look, a pirate!" to distract you from the fact that he is a pirate too.

Yar, me hardies. :ymdevil:

[markharr]

I don't think Trump is a swell guy.

We are a wicked nation, and our leaders are all varying degrees of wicked.

I think Trump was the most swell of the two options.

[Silver]

I don't think Trump is a swell guy.

We are a wicked nation, and our leaders are all varying degrees of wicked.

I think Trump was the most swell of the two options.

The saddest thing to me about the election is that so many people think just like you. i.e., that there were only two choices.

[iWriteStuff]

I don't think Trump is a swell guy.

We are a wicked nation, and our leaders are all varying degrees of wicked.

I think Trump was the most swell of the two options.

I think he's a symptom of the disease rather than the disease itself. But the disease, if left untreated, is definitely fatal.

And yes, as Silver says, False Dichotomy is a terrible way to exercise democracy.

[markharr]

I don't think Trump is a swell guy.

We are a wicked nation, and our leaders are all varying degrees of wicked.

I think Trump was the most swell of the two options.

The saddest thing to me about the election is that so many people think just like you. i.e., that there were only two choices.

Let me guess. Evan McMullen the former spook otherwise known as a person who lies for a living.

Evan McMullen is part of the very organization that is trying to rob me of my voice in government as we speak.

He isn't righteous. Since he has knowledge of the truth he may be even more wicked than Trump.

[Silver]

I don't think Trump is a swell guy.

We are a wicked nation, and our leaders are all varying degrees of wicked.

I think Trump was the most swell of the two options.

The saddest thing to me about the election is that so many people think just like you. i.e., that there were only two choices.

Let me guess. Evan McMullen the former spook otherwise known as a person who lies for a living.

Evan McMullen is part of the very organization that is trying to rob me of my voice in government as we speak.

He isn't righteous. Since he has knowledge of the truth he may be even more wicked than Trump.

No, no way, not now, not ever.

I voted for Darrell Castle. However, that's not the point. The sheeple think that all politicians must be either Dems or Repubs.

[eddie]

Whom the Gods would destroy…

dr;tl

FFA, what does that mean? Haha

A little boy named Dillion wrote President Trump a letter, expressing his love for him, he told him his birthday cake was decorated with make America great again etc. This little boy goes by pickle and has been invited to the White House for a special tour.

[markharr]

I don't think Trump is a swell guy.

We are a wicked nation, and our leaders are all varying degrees of wicked.

I think Trump was the most swell of the two options.

The saddest thing to me about the election is that so many people think just like you. i.e., that there were only two choices.

Let me guess. Evan McMullen the former spook otherwise known as a person who lies for a living.

Evan McMullen is part of the very organization that is trying to rob me of my voice in government as we speak.

He isn't righteous. Since he has knowledge of the truth he may be even more wicked than Trump.

No, no way, not now, not ever.

I voted for Darrell Castle. However, that's not the point. The sheeple think that all politicians must be either Dems or Repubs.

Sadly, in a world where Hillary Clinton could have been making supreme court appointments it was either the dem or the repub. A vote for anyone but Trump was a vote for Hillary. That is the reality of the world we live in.

[Silver]

The saddest thing to me about the election is that so many people think just like you. i.e., that there were only two choices.

Let me guess. Evan McMullen the former spook otherwise known as a person who lies for a living.

Evan McMullen is part of the very organization that is trying to rob me of my voice in government as we speak.

He isn't righteous. Since he has knowledge of the truth he may be even more wicked than Trump.

No, no way, not now, not ever.

I voted for Darrell Castle. However, that's not the point. The sheeple think that all politicians must be either Dems or Repubs.

Sadly, in a world where Hillary Clinton could have been making supreme court appointments it was either the dem or the repub. A vote for anyone but Trump was a vote for Hillary. That is the reality of the world we live in.

And that kind of thinking gives us the horrible president we have now. If even only 10% of the articles about Trump that I have introduced in this thread were true, America has been betrayed again.

Plus, nobody can deny that the same ol' crowd of CFR/NWO/MIC has filled the administration, just like the last several presidencies. Trump's election is definitely not a win for constitutionalists or conservatives.

So I'm doing my part to show how wrong support for Trump is with the hope nobody here will vote for either a Republican or a Democrat in 2020. And, by the way, Gorsuch is not really a stellar choice for the Supreme Court.

[markharr]

Let me guess. Evan McMullen the former spook otherwise known as a person who lies for a living.

Evan McMullen is part of the very organization that is trying to rob me of my voice in government as we speak.

He isn't righteous. Since he has knowledge of the truth he may be even more wicked than Trump.

No, no way, not now, not ever.

I voted for Darrell Castle. However, that's not the point. The sheeple think that all politicians must be either Dems or Repubs.

Sadly, in a world where Hillary Clinton could have been making supreme court appointments it was either the dem or the repub. A vote for anyone but Trump was a vote for Hillary. That is the reality of the world we live in.

And that kind of thinking gives us the horrible president we have now. If even only 10% of the articles about Trump that I have introduced in this thread were true, America has been betrayed again.

Plus, nobody can deny that the same ol' crowd of CFR/NWO/MIC has filled the administration, just like the last several presidencies. Trump's election is definitely not a win for constitutionalists or conservatives.

So I'm doing my part to show how wrong support for Trump is with the hope nobody here will vote for either a Republican or a Democrat in 2020. And, by the way, Gorsuch is not really a stellar choice for the Supreme Court.

That kind of thinking saved us from the most corrupt presidential candidate in American history and a liberal supreme court that would have eradicated the constitution.

[Silver]

No, no way, not now, not ever.

I voted for Darrell Castle. However, that's not the point. The sheeple think that all politicians must be either Dems or Repubs.

Sadly, in a world where Hillary Clinton could have been making supreme court appointments it was either the dem or the repub. A vote for anyone but Trump was a vote for Hillary. That is the reality of the world we live in.

And that kind of thinking gives us the horrible president we have now. If even only 10% of the articles about Trump that I have introduced in this thread were true, America has been betrayed again.

Plus, nobody can deny that the same ol' crowd of CFR/NWO/MIC has filled the administration, just like the last several presidencies. Trump's election is definitely not a win for constitutionalists or conservatives.

So I'm doing my part to show how wrong support for Trump is with the hope nobody here will vote for either a Republican or a Democrat in 2020. And, by the way, Gorsuch is not really a stellar choice for the Supreme Court.

That kind of thinking saved us from the most corrupt presidential candidate in American history and a liberal supreme court that would have eradicated the constitution.

That's a fantasy that people who voted for the lesser of two evils like to tell themselves.

[freedomforall]

Let me guess. Evan McMullen the former spook otherwise known as a person who lies for a living.

Evan McMullen is part of the very organization that is trying to rob me of my voice in government as we speak.

He isn't righteous. Since he has knowledge of the truth he may be even more wicked than Trump.

No, no way, not now, not ever.

I voted for Darrell Castle. However, that's not the point. The sheeple think that all politicians must be either Dems or Repubs.

Sadly, in a world where Hillary Clinton could have been making supreme court appointments it was either the dem or the repub. A vote for anyone but Trump was a vote for Hillary. That is the reality of the world we live in.

And that kind of thinking gives us the horrible president we have now. If even only 10% of the articles about Trump that I have introduced in this thread were true, America has been betrayed again.

Plus, nobody can deny that the same ol' crowd of CFR/NWO/MIC has filled the administration, just like the last several presidencies. Trump's election is definitely not a win for constitutionalists or conservatives.

So I'm doing my part to show how wrong support for Trump is with the hope nobody here will vote for either a Republican or a Democrat in 2020. And, by the way, Gorsuch is not really a stellar choice for the Supreme Court.

Good luck with that. I hope that in the next few weeks everyone that is disgusted with your degradation of people will have entered your name on their ignore list. Then you and IWrite can rant at your hearts content uninterrupted.
If it is your part to call people names, belittle others, ie, "dialoging with you is a waste of time" (not verbatim), "you're a lapdog" and claiming you're "here to get everyone to repudiate Trump", etc. and acting arrogant, pompous and overbearing or acting like a bulldozer in pushing people around...along with somehow pretending you're a gift to us from God, think again. Some of us know better than to be sucked into this type of ploy where you assume you can gain the advantage.