Good Behavior Trump Debate Thread

[Silver]

The murders besmirching the reputation of Americans continue to rise.

http://news.antiwar.com/2017/06/27/us-a ... civilians/

US Attacks ISIS Prison, Killing Dozens of Civilians
Pentagon Says Site Was a 'Command and Control Facility'
Jason Ditz Posted on June 27, 2017Categories NewsTags ISIS, Pentagon, Syria
Officially it was a “command and control facility” but it would be more correct to call it a prison full of detained civilians. Either way, US warplanes attacked the site, in the ISIS-held city of Mayadin, killing 57 people, at least 42 of them prisoners.

The identities of the prisoners aren’t known, obviously, because ISIS doesn’t make public who they’re detaining. Generally speaking, however, it’s people they view as not religious enough, or not loyal enough, or occasionally a rival rebel they captured and didn’t summarily execute.

US coalition spokesman Joe Scrocca insisted that the attack “disrupts” ISIS and was “meticulously planned” ahead of time. He denied any knowledge of civilian deaths, however, or even knowing the site was a prison, insisting that there would be “an assessment.”

Historically, the promise of an “assessment” by the Pentagon is the beginning and the end of official response to media reports of large civilian casualties. Such incidents are almost never included in the Pentagon’s legally mandated report on civilian deaths, or if they are, the official civilian death toll will be dramatically reduced, and associated with a new excuse.

This happens by way of the “assessment,” which appears to just review what they thought they knew about the facility, and if they decide that they had good intelligence, they insist civilian casualties “aren’t credible,” even if there’s a huge pile of dead civilians being pulled out of the rubble, and the incident is officially forgotten. (close quote)

Article for the 57 mentioned above:
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/57-de ... 1407304836

The US-led coalition has been accused of killing hundreds of civilians in its war against IS (Reuters)

Tuesday 27 June 2017 13:41 UTC

Scores of civilians were reported on Tuesday to have been killed in what the US coalition was an attack on Islamic State "command and control" facilities in Syria.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said at least 57 people were killed in air strikes on what it described as an "IS prison" in Mayadeen, a town near Deir Ezzor which the US says is being used by IS leaders fleeing their stronghold of Raqqa.

The coalition conducted strikes on known IS command and control facilities and other ISIS infrastructure

- US coalition spokesman
"The strikes hit an IS jail in Mayadeen at dawn on Monday, killing 42 prisoners and 15 jihadists," Observatory chief Rami Abdel Rahman told the AFP news agency.

The Syrian state-run TV station al-Ikhbariya meanwhile said the building had been used as a prison for a "large number of civilians".

A US coalition spokesman said he believed the targets were "command and control" facilities, but the coalition would investigate claims of civilian casualties.

"The coalition conducted strikes on known IS command and control facilities and other ISIS infrastructure," Joe Scrocca, the coalition's director of public affairs, told Reuters by email.

"The removal of these facilities disrupts [IS's] ability to facilitate and provoke terrorist attacks against the coalition, our partner forces and in our homelands. This mission was meticulously planned and executed to reduce the risk of collateral damage and potential harm to non-combatants."

"This allegation will be provided to our civilian casualty team for assessment," he said.

IS hideout

Mayadeen lies in the Euphrates Valley some 45km southeast of the provincial capital of Deir Ezzor. IS is believed to have moved most of its leadership there from Raqqa, according to US intelligence officials who spoke to Reuters.

Its propaganda and "foreign operations" centre are believed to be in the town, the officials said.

The coalition said the mission had been "meticulously planned" to reduce the risk of possible harm to non-combatants.

Ryan Dillon, a colonel and spokesman for the US-led coalition, said: "With every single allegation we will take it and look into it. If we are responsible for any civilian casualties we come forth and admit it."

He said Observatory reporting had previously been exaggerated.

The monitor last week said more than 420 civilians were killed by the US-led coalition in air strikes targeting IS militants inside two Syrian provinces over the past month.

Last month's civilian death count of 427 from US-led coalition air strikes is more than double the previous 30-day toll from April.

The monitor said the period between 23 May and 23 June saw the highest civilian death toll in coalition raids for a single month since strikes began on 23 September 2014.

Observatory head Rami Abdel Rahman said 222 civilians, including 84 children, were killed in the largely Islamic State group-held province of Deir Ezzor.

[eddie]

This post is not directed at anyone, just food for thought and self evaluation

Humble People;

Take correction easily
Need for repentance
Good listener
Admit failure
Confident
Don't need to be correct or have all the answers
Walk in the light

Proud People;

Fault finding, critical
Enjoy failure of others
Compare to others, feeling superior
Cannot take criticism
Un teachable
Self-righteous

[freedomforall]

Part two...same as part one!

the crowds went wild

Funny, aren't Silver and IWrite doing a good job of going wild themselves? =)) =)) =)) =)) =))

Oh, btw, "good behavior" and "Trump debate" do not go well together. Combining the two creates an oxymoron, dichotomy style. A red herring. A strawman. A clash of information. :)) :)) :))

Watch for part three.

[freedomforall]

When one says they are speechless, just think what people could, or may, get from rubbing noses together for a span of years.

[eddie]

the crowds went wild

Funny, aren't Silver and IWrite doing a good job of going wild themselves? =)) =)) =)) =)) =))

Oh, btw, "good behavior" and "Trump debate" do not go well together. Combining the two creates an oxymoron, dichotomy style. A red herring. A strawman. A clash of information. :)) :)) :))

Have you seen " Hot Shots Part Duex?

[iWriteStuff]

Speaking of some great speeches, here are some great quotes from Donald Quixote before he took the mantle and decided to tilt at windmills:

"We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn't be involved with," Trump said. "Instead, our focus must be on defeating terrorism and destroying ISIS, and we will." - Except when our allies are attacking ISIS, we deem it necessary to shoot them down. Makes total sense. And as for foreign regimes, they're only bad when he says so, apparently.

"We don't want to have a depleted military because we’re all over the place fighting in areas that we shouldn't be fighting in." - Except Syria. It's totally ok to get involved there now.

"Our goal is peace and prosperity, not war and destruction. The best way to achieve those goals is through a disciplined, deliberate and consistent foreign policy. With President Obama and Secretary Clinton we’ve had the exact opposite — a reckless, rudderless and aimless foreign policy, one that has blazed the path of destruction in its wake." - Less than 100 days in and he bombed Syria. Now he's threatening to do it again. Peace and prosperity? For whom? Lockheed Martin?

"We will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism." - Except in my administration, staffed with Bilderbergers, CFR members, and Globalist bankers galore. Hey, whatcha gonna do? They bought me before I met you.

"We went from mistakes in Iraq to Egypt to Libya, to President Obama’s line in the sand in Syria. Each of these actions have helped to throw the region into chaos and gave ISIS the space it needs to grow and prosper. Very bad. It all began with a dangerous idea that we could make western democracies out of countries that had no experience or interests in becoming a western democracy." - ...which explains why all of a sudden we're bombing Syria? If it's not ok when Obama or Bush do it, why is it ok when Trump does it? Syria will be his Libya, only this time we will have Russia to answer to.

You get the idea. He's either flipped like a pancake or he never meant a word he said about staying out of foreign debacles. He is a repeat of Bush and Obama while pursuing the exact same policies that Hillary proposed. Truly mind boggling.

[Silver]

There is Book of Mormon precedence to this story.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syria ... 1528433302

Syrian government says it freed 672 prisoners
#SyriaWar
Some of those released say they were arrested for actions they took against government

Prisoners arrive at Baath Party branch in Damascus, ahead of their release (Reuters)

Reuters
Last update:
Monday 26 June 2017 7:09 UTC

Syria's government said on Saturday that it had released 672 prisoners who promised to accept the state's authority, a move it said was aimed at bolstering a "reconciliation" process.

Reconciliation is the term the government uses for local deals with rebels for them to either disarm and accept its rule or to leave with small arms for other rebel areas.

"They have been released after promising not to do anything against the nation's security or stability," Justice Minister Hisham al-Shaar was quoted as saying by the official SANA news agency.

He said most of the prisoners were from Damascus, but there were others from across Syria, indicating the release was not linked to a particular deal regarding one rebel-held area.

SANA did not report what the freed detainees had been put in prison for, but some of those released told Reuters they were arrested for actions they took against the government.

Syria's opposition says reconciliation deals are forced on areas after prolonged sieges and intense bombardment. The United Nations has warned they may be used to force people from their homes.

President Bashar al-Assad has said he sees them as a way to reduce fighting in Syria and bring to an end the six-year conflict that has killed hundreds of thousands of people and made millions homeless.

The opposition, Western countries and rights groups say the government has detained tens of thousands of Syrians without trial for political reasons, torturing and killing thousands of them. Assad and his government deny that. (close quote)

Captain Moroni was a willing leader of the Nephite civilization while always hesitant to take a life and that only in defense. Amalickiah tried to take over the seat of government after losing the vote of the people. Amalickiah judiciously fled from Moroni to avoid capture. Some of his followers were not so lucky and were captured. Then they faced a choice. What did Moroni offer them?

Alma 46:
35 And it came to pass that whomsoever of the Amalickiahites that would not enter into a covenant to support the cause of freedom, that they might maintain a free government, he caused to be put to death; and there were but few who denied the covenant of freedom.

Then it was the kingmen who rose up to take away liberty.

Alma 51:
19 And it came to pass that there were four thousand of those dissenters who were hewn down by the sword; and those of their leaders who were not slain in battle were taken and cast into prison, for there was no time for their trials at this period.

20 And the remainder of those dissenters, rather than be smitten down to the earth by the sword, yielded to the standard of liberty, and were compelled to hoist the title of liberty upon their towers, and in their cities, and to take up arms in defence of their country.

21 And thus Moroni put an end to those king-men, that there were not any known by the appellation of king-men; and thus he put an end to the stubbornness and the pride of those people who professed the blood of nobility; but they were brought down to humble themselves like unto their brethren, and to fight valiantly for their freedom from bondage.

Even after years of fighting, when a lesser man would have likely just wanted to kill them all and be done with their rebellion. Yet, Moroni made a distinction.

Alma 62:
9 And the men of Pachus received their trial, according to the law, and also those king-men who had been taken and cast into prison; and they were executed according to the law; yea, those men of Pachus and those king-men, whosoever would not take up arms in the defence of their country, but would fight against it, were put to death.

10 And thus it became expedient that this law should be strictly observed for the safety of their country; yea, and whosoever was found denying their freedom was speedily executed according to the law.

[larsenb]

Here is a most excellent article by Jon Rappoport outlining one of the main reasons why the MSM is crumbling. It is found here, and quoted below: https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017 ... crumbling/

It is posted here because of the role Donald Trump is playing in this process, both as a foil for 'fake news' and because of his major and consistent outing of 'fake news' and 'fake news' outlets. If you want to be objective about Donald Trump, you really can't ignore this reality.

Elite TV news anchors are gone: hypnotic effect crumbling: The ship is going down

by Jon Rappoport

June 27, 2017

There are many reasons why viewers are deserting mainstream news. This article is about one reason that has been overlooked. One vital reason…

Elite television news anchors are absolutely essential to the hypnotic delivery of fake news. They have always been a mainstay of the mind control operation.

From the early days of television, there has been a parade of anchors/actors with know-how—the right intonation, the right edge of authority, the parental feel, the ability to execute seamless blends from one piece of deception to the next:

John Daly, Douglas Edwards, Ed Murrow, Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, Harry Reasoner, Water Cronkite, Dan Rather, and more recently, second-stringers—Brian Williams, Diane Sawyer, Scott Pelley.

They’re all gone.

Now we have Lester Holt, David Muir, and an as-yet unannounced permanent replacement for Scott Pelley. Muir and Holt are decidedly junior varsity; they couldn’t sell water in the desert.

Lester Holt is a cadaverous timid presence on-air, whose major journalistic achievement thus far is interrupting Donald Trump 41 times during a presidential debate; and David Muir has the gravitas of a Sears underwear model.

The network news trance is falling apart.

The networks have no authoritative anchor-fathers waiting in the wings. They don’t breed them and bring them up in the minor leagues anymore.

Instead, armies of little Globalists and ideologues who don’t realize they’re working for the Globalists have been infiltrating the news business. At best, they’re incompetent.

This is one reason why mainstream news has been imploding.

When gross liars don’t have hypnotism, they don’t have anything.

And lately, things have gotten even worse for the mainstream. Their ceaseless attacks on Trump are backfiring. More members of the public are seeing through the puerile throw-ANYTHING-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks approach; and more important, the style of these attacks is breaking the time-honored rhythms and pace of traditional news presentation, and thus are failing to put the viewing audience into passive brain-states.

Fundamental and tested means for trance-induction are going out the window. When you add in rude and contentious interviews and thinly disguised editorializing by “news reporters” who have no business being within a mile of a broadcast studio, who spout random shots of venom, the news-production techniques that enable an ongoing illusion of oceanic authority collapse like magnetic fields that have been suddenly switched off.

The selective mood lighting, the restful blue colors on the set, the inter-cutting of graphics and B-roll footage, the flawless shifts to reporters in far-flung places…it’s as if all these supporting features have suddenly been overcome by actors in a stage play who are abruptly stepping out of character. The spell is broken.

Humpty-Dumpty is off the wall and lying in pieces on the floor.

Elite mainstream news is committing suicide. And in a fatuous attempt to save themselves, they are trying a democratic approach. Anchors are sharing more on-air minutes with other reporters. But this is counter-productive in the extreme. The News has always meant one face and one authority and one voice and one tying-together of all broadcast elements. It’s as if, in a hypnotherapist’s office, the therapist decides to bring in colleagues to help render the patient into an alpha-state.

Network news executives are clueless. News directors are clueless. The whole lot of them are too young and too foolish to remember what once made news dominate the public mind.

Plus they are swimming in shark-infested waters. The sharks are independent media.

Bottom-line?

This is a cause for celebration.

The movie called fake reality is . . . . . in the back of a very large truck moving slowly toward a graveyard.

The elite standard has always been: can we hypnotize the viewing audience and keep them hypnotized? And now the answer is leaning further toward NO on both counts.

Information mind control, as delivered by elite television news, depends entirely on the elite anchor. His modulated voice and presence and delivery are the glue that holds the illusion together. If by some miracle, the news bosses could raise Walter Cronkite, “the father of our country,” from the dead and put him back in the chair, they might have an outside chance of re-establishing their dominance. But too many years have gone by; years of unaccomplished anchors. Humpty-Dumpty is in pieces on the floor, the horse is out of the barn, the cat is out of the bag.

This is why major news outlets have been appealing to the new king: social media. Facebook, Google, Twitter, and You Tube are, in various ways, trying to shape the news the public receives and doesn’t receive. But their desperate attempt is failing, too.

It is crashing on the rocks of vast, uneven, open decentralization of information.

One veteran news director told me several years ago, “We’re losing the war. We don’t have the stars [elite anchors] anymore. The star system is dead. The same thing happened to Hollywood. Now it’s happening to us. You could comb all the local news outlets in America, and you wouldn’t find one face and voice who could really carry the freight. They’ve vanished. The up and coming people are lame and weak. We’ve made them that way. It’s some cockeyed standard of equality we’ve internalized. And now we’re paying the price.”

Yes, indeed.

They’ve punched holes in their own ship.

[Silver]

Trump is Gadianton and that is the role he is playing. The Gadiantons could care less if the media implodes around their own fake news reporting because entities like the NSA own all our emails and phone calls and Amazon purchases and web browsing. That's why Bluffdale is worth so much to them. Well, the pit dug by the Luciferians will someday be filled by those in charge of excavating it.

One way you can know that Trump is an active participant in the deception is by those who are in his administration. He didn't choose them. They were chosen for him. If Trump were doing the selecting, he would not choose successful business people. As a full-blown narcissist, he would always choose those inferior to himself. Instead we get CFR and Goldman Sachs guys that are the very definition of the swamp.

If Trump were sincere, in spite of his severe narcissism, we'd have a few people who might actually do some good for America. If Trump were sincere, we'd have no more Federal Reserve System. The whole article at the link below is worth reading. Of course, the premise of the government is going to fix anything is completely ludicrous, but you'll be sure to gain something from the quick read. A snippet is below the link.

https://antoniusaquinas.com/2017/06/27/ ... e-banking/

With his selection of crony capitalists and members of Goldman Sachs to his economic team, it is apparent that President Trump does not understand the true nature of the nation’s financial woes or what precipitated the last financial crisis and what will assuredly lead to a far bigger mess down the road. If he did, his next Executive Order would be to implement steps and procedures to eliminate the scourge of fractional reserve banking forever.

[larsenb]

Trump is Gadianton and that is the role he is playing. The Gadiantons could care less if the media implodes around their own fake news reporting because entities like the NSA own all our emails and phone calls and Amazon purchases and web browsing. That's why Bluffdale is worth so much to them. Well, the pit dug by the Luciferians will someday be filled by those in charge of excavating it.

One way you can know that Trump is an active participant in the deception is by those who are in his administration. He didn't choose them. They were chosen for him. If Trump were doing the selecting, he would not choose successful business people. As a full-blown narcissist, he would always choose those inferior to himself. Instead we get CFR and Goldman Sachs guys that are the very definition of the swamp.

If Trump were sincere, in spite of his severe narcissism, we'd have a few people who might actually do some good for America. If Trump were sincere, we'd have no more Federal Reserve System. The whole article at the link below is worth reading. Of course, the premise of the government is going to fix anything is completely ludicrous, but you'll be sure to gain something from the quick read. A snippet is below the link.

https://antoniusaquinas.com/2017/06/27/ ... e-banking/

With his selection of crony capitalists and members of Goldman Sachs to his economic team, it is apparent that President Trump does not understand the true nature of the nation’s financial woes or what precipitated the last financial crisis and what will assuredly lead to a far bigger mess down the road. If he did, his next Executive Order would be to implement steps and procedures to eliminate the scourge of fractional reserve banking forever.

I don't think anything will dislodge Silver from his black-and-white way of approaching information. IWS was going in the right direction when he posted some comments about adding one other possibility regarding Trump, other than Trump just being a liar, murderer, oath-breaker.

In fact, however, there are multiple ways you could regard Trump. We just don't have enough data in yet (except for people such as Silver, and earlier, Jason and a couple of others) to categorize him so strictly. Too many things he has done and is doing that just don't fit Silver's extreme black-and-white model.

At least Silver seems to be bolstering his 'esteem' by following this course. However, this approach seems extremely limited and self-limiting, IMHO . . . as if he is deliberately handicapping the use of his intelligence. Oh well.

[eddie]

Trump is Gadianton and that is the role he is playing. The Gadiantons could care less if the media implodes around their own fake news reporting because entities like the NSA own all our emails and phone calls and Amazon purchases and web browsing. That's why Bluffdale is worth so much to them. Well, the pit dug by the Luciferians will someday be filled by those in charge of excavating it.

One way you can know that Trump is an active participant in the deception is by those who are in his administration. He didn't choose them. They were chosen for him. If Trump were doing the selecting, he would not choose successful business people. As a full-blown narcissist, he would always choose those inferior to himself. Instead we get CFR and Goldman Sachs guys that are the very definition of the swamp.

If Trump were sincere, in spite of his severe narcissism, we'd have a few people who might actually do some good for America. If Trump were sincere, we'd have no more Federal Reserve System. The whole article at the link below is worth reading. Of course, the premise of the government is going to fix anything is completely ludicrous, but you'll be sure to gain something from the quick read. A snippet is below the link.

https://antoniusaquinas.com/2017/06/27/ ... e-banking/

With his selection of crony capitalists and members of Goldman Sachs to his economic team, it is apparent that President Trump does not understand the true nature of the nation’s financial woes or what precipitated the last financial crisis and what will assuredly lead to a far bigger mess down the road. If he did, his next Executive Order would be to implement steps and procedures to eliminate the scourge of fractional reserve banking forever.

I don't think anything will dislodge Silver from his black-and-white way of approaching information. IWS was going in the right direction when he posted some comments about adding one other possibility regarding Trump, other than Trump just being a liar, murderer, oath-breaker.

In fact, however, there are multiple ways you could regard Trump. We just don't have enough data in yet (except for people such as Silver, and earlier, Jason and a couple of others) to categorize him so strictly. Too many things he has done and is doing that just don't fit Silver's extreme black-and-white model.

At least Silver seems to be bolstering his 'esteem' by following this course. However, this approach seems extremely limited and self-limiting, IMHO . . . as if he is deliberately handicapping the use of his intelligence. Oh well.

It's gone past normal...

[Silver]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/tr ... yria-mean/

If Trump Attacks Syria, What Does It Mean?
Michael S. Rozeff

It appears that Trump is preparing a big aerial attack on Syria in conjunction with the forces of other states like Great Britain, France and Israel. Ground forces may follow. The reason is that Assad is rapidly closing in on total victory in Syria. That is the only reason. All talk about chemical weapons and suspected chemical attacks coming from the White House is lying.

I can’t predict whether this will happen much less the details. I can’t predict what Russia, Iran and Syria might do to stop it or do afterward, if it happens. What I can do is say what I think such an attack means.

What does it mean if Trump attacks Syria? I will paint the worst possible case, which we hope doesn’t occur; but there are reasons to expect them to be a result if Trump attacks Syria.

It’s straight out aggression. This means that the U.S. loses any semblance of moral leadership of this world. It means the victory of brute force in this country. It means the end of Washington’s credibility for some time to come. It means the end of the rule of law here at home. That has widespread ramifications. The glue that holds the society together dissolves. The country as an exponent of its long-held values goes down the toilet.

It means the end of the empire. The leadership of the world will pass to other nations. But the residual power lodged in Washington is so great that a dangerous period occurs.

The Russians will be forced into much greater armaments to defend against the U.S., which will be seen as a naked aggressor. The weapons it builds and readies will seriously be pointed at America as offensive possibilities. America will become a far less safe place to live in. The whole world will be much less safe.

Iran will be forced into more armaments. It may attack based on what it now has. It may even scrap the nuclear agreement and start a rush program to get nuclear weapons. It will certainly increase its military capabilities.

The U.S. attack will be comparable to Germany’s attack on Poland in 1939. The U.S. will be treated with the same contempt with which Germany was treated on its attack.

The Middle East will be thrown into great confusion. It will create an environment conducive to both more terrorism and more state-led force.

The American public will feel shame and anguish. A movement to impeach Trump will erupt. Street disturbances will lead to federal guns being pointed at and used against Americans. Increased arrests and detention will follow. Aggression toward Syria will inevitably lead to federal government aggression against Americans at home. Civil rights will take a big hit. So may free speech. Freedom will be curtailed. The economy will sink, causing no end of budget problems. They’ll be met by cutbacks. The dollar will sink.

Some parts of government and the military begin to rebel against other parts. Confusion reigns.

The current chemical weapons false flag is comparable to the burning of the Reichstag. When America starts to boil as a consequence of the aggression, Trump will exercise the state of emergency powers option already in place. That will lead to attempts on his life and other high officials of the U.S. government, if they do not begin even sooner.

Since there is nothing that Assad is doing or has done that justifies a U.S. attack on Syria, a U.S. attack at this time is indeed outright aggression. The hatred of Israel can only rise steeply if it participates and even if it does not. Israel will be encouraged to deal with the Palestinians even more harshly. It will be encouraged to expand.

NATO will be seen as morally bankrupt, and so will Great Britain and France and any other government that supports such an attack. The UN will be badly damaged by such an attack because it shatters international norms.

Trump will be reviled even more than at present. His rule will be challenged.

All of these consequences are so dire and yet so predictable, within my very limited powers of analysis and forecasting, that I can only hope that others in Washington also can foresee such results and can stop Trump from a big aggression against Syria.

If Trump attacks Syria and none of this happens in obvious ways, I believe that these kinds of things are already occurring little by little anyway due to past U.S. and Western aggression, misuses of power at home and abroad, and dissipation of the moral franchise of the West’s leaders.

6:20 pm on June 27, 2017

[Silver]

If Trump wasn't such a tool of the NWO, he would have known that bragging about repeal and replace was fraught with danger. However, as any typical politician, he just told the bleeting sheeple what they wanted to hear and here we are. More details at the link below.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-2 ... -heres-why

Goldman No Longer Believes Republicans Can Repeal Obamacare: Here's Why

by Tyler Durden
Jun 28, 2017 9:18 AM

One month after Goldman gave up on Trump being able to pass any major (or minor) tax package in 2017, overnight - in the aftermath of Senate GOP's deplorable failure to find the needed 51 votes to " repeal and replace" Obamacare- Goldman's Washington analyst Alec Phillips throws up his hands, and no longer believes that passage of Obamacare is possible.

In a note that looks at the current state of health legislation, titled appropriately enough "Nearing the End", Goldman summarizes that Senate Republican leaders have postponed the vote on health legislation that had been tentatively scheduled this week. A vote is possible in two weeks, but further delays are possible.

Phillips does note that there are still some arguments in favor of eventual enactment: Republicans will be under pressure to follow through on a long-standing political commitment, and the estimated deficit reduction and tax cuts in the health bill could be useful in passing tax legislation later. Fixing the existing program for the coming year will also be necessary.

However, he is skeptical and says that "these factors are likely to be outweighed by the political obstacles. Estimates of the potential increase in the uninsured population seem unlikely to improve substantially even after revisions to the bill. Public support for the effort is also weak, and intraparty divisions appear to pose too many obstacles. At this point, enactment of broad health legislation like the House passed or the Senate is contemplating seems unlikely."

That said, Goldman is not too worried about the implications of the Senate's failure, saying that "the prospects for passage should also be somewhat less important to broader financial markets than they might have been several months ago. The debate over health legislation is likely to end—either with enactment or a failed vote—by mid- to late July, allowing the rest of the budget process to proceed, eventually leading to consideration of tax legislation. In the less likely scenario that broad health legislation is enacted, there would be few near-term economic effects as most of the changes do not take effect until 2020."

[Silver]

A chemical attack on the Syrians (by US-funded terrorists) is guaranteed now. How do you like your murdering, traitorous President now? Much more at the link below.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-2 ... gainst-syr

US Baits ISIS to Stage False-Flag Chemical Attack to Justify Greater US Attack against Syria

by Knave Dave
Jun 27, 2017 5:44 PM
The following article by David Haggith was published first on The Great Recession Blog:

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What could be smellier and more tempting bait to get ISIS to launch a chemical-weapon attack than a US guarantee that “any” chemical weapon attack in Syria will be automatically blamed on Assad’s regime and will automatically result in the US attacking Assad and all of ISIS’s other enemies?

Today the White House offered ISIS that ironclad guarantee.

White House issues preemptive warning to Syria on chemical attack

Today, the White House issued a carte blanc guarantee to ISIS, pledging that the Assad regime will pay a heavy price for any chemical weapon attack that happens inside of Syria:

The Trump administration issued a rare, preemptive warning to the Syrian regime against launching any chemical weapons attacks, warning Damascus will “pay a heavy price” if it refuses to heed Washington’s red line. (The Washington Times)

[iWriteStuff]

If Trump wasn't such a tool of the NWO, he would have known that bragging about repeal and replace was fraught with danger. However, as any typical politician, he just told the bleeting sheeple what they wanted to hear and here we are. More details at the link below.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-2 ... -heres-why

Goldman No Longer Believes Republicans Can Repeal Obamacare: Here's Why

I'm still waiting to see how much it costs to buy a few senators. Never underestimate the power of greed.

And yeah, based on promises vs deliverables, I don't think Trump had the slightest idea how complicated health insurance legislation is to pass, let alone comprehend. Especially if he was operating under the assumption that anybody other than the health insurance lobby has any say in drafting it. ObamaCare was and is an inside job, paid for by the health insurance industry. The Frankenstein version of it will be no different.

[Silver]

Americans really need to understand how prevalent murder is. Innocent civilians are being slaughtered by our troops. I wonder if that is part of the reason the suicide rate among our troops is so high? The Commander In Chief is ultimately responsible (although I realize we've had nothing but puppets in that position for decades).

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-2 ... nald-trump

Now, compare and contrast the prosecution of Girod's case, above, with the complete lack of enforcement of the War Powers Resolution, in regards to the deployment of United States military forces in Syria and elsewhere.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-1 ... -syria-inv...

In Syria, the US is currently working with an alliance of Kurdish and Arab militias and its biggest focus at this moment is to encircle and ultimately capture the ISIS capital of Raqqa. This week, the U.S.-led coalition announced that around 400 additional U.S. forces had deployed to Syria to help with the Raqqa campaign and to prevent any clash between Turkey and Washington-allied Syrian militias that Ankara sees as a threat. Around 500 U.S. forces are already in Syria in support of the campaign against Islamic State, which this week added several hundred, marines who were recently caught on video as they prepare for the Raqqa offensive.

Asked about a deployment of U.S. forces near the northern city of Manbij, Assad said: "Any foreign troops coming to Syria without our invitation ... are invaders."

Unlike the Amish grandfather's herbal salve, President Trump's illegal invasion of Syria has actually harmed others.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/syria-civil ... n-airstrik...

Dozens more civilians allegedly killed in U.S.-led strikes
...various activists groups reported different casualty tolls, saying the U.S.-led coalition, which is waging war on ISIS, was likely behind the attacks.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) monitoring group said the strike hit the village of Akayrshi on Sunday night and that 12 women were killed. The activist-run, Raqqa Raqqa is Being Slaughtered Silently, said the strike hit a convoy of farm workers and that 22 died.


Below is what The Library of Congress has to say about the War Powers Resolution. Apparently, however, our congress is too busy funding the FDA to prosecute Amish grandfathers and receiving unlimited campaign contributions from pharmaceutical and weapons companies and AIPAC to bother to read, understand, and do the job they were supposedly elected by the American people to do.

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/war-powers.php

The War Powers Resolution, Public Law 93-148, 87 Stat. 555, passed over President Nixon's veto on November 7, 1973. The War Powers Resolution is sometimes referred to as the War Powers Act, its title in the version passed by the Senate. This Joint Resolution is codified in the United States Code ("USC") in Title 50, Chapter 33, Sections 1541-48.

The term "Resolution" can be misleading; this law originated as a Joint Resolution and was passed by both Houses of Congress pursuant to the Legislative Process, and has the same legal effect as a Bill which has passed and become a law. For more information on Bills and Joint Resolutions see this explanation of Congressional Forms of Action.

The Constitution of the United States divides the war powers of the federal government between the Executive and Legislative branches: the President is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces (Article II, section 2), while Congress has the power to make declarations of war, and to raise and support the armed forces (Article I, section 8). Over time, questions arose as to the extent of the President's authority to deploy U.S. armed forces into hostile situations abroad without a declaration of war or some other form of Congressional approval. Congress passed the War Powers Resolution in the aftermath of the Vietnam War to address these concerns and provide a set of procedures for both the President and Congress to follow in situations where the introduction of U.S. forces abroad could lead to their involvement in armed conflict.

Conceptually, the War Powers Resolution can be broken down into several distinct parts. The first part states the policy behind the law, namely to "insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities," and that the President's powers as Commander in Chief are exercised only pursuant to a declaration of war, specific statutory authorization from Congress, or a national emergency created by an attack upon the United States (50 USC Sec. 1541).

The second part requires the President to consult with Congress before introducing U.S. armed forces into hostilities or situations where hostilities are imminent, and to continue such consultations as long as U.S. armed forces remain in such situations (50 USC Sec. 1542). The third part sets forth reporting requirements that the President must comply with any time he introduces U.S. armed forces into existing or imminent hostilities (50 USC Sec. 1543); section 1543(a)(1) is particularly significant because it can trigger a 60 day time limit on the use of U.S. forces under section 1544(b).

The fourth part of the law concerns Congressional actions and procedures. Of particular interest is Section 1544(b), which requires that U.S. forces be withdrawn from hostilities within 60 days of the time a report is submitted or is required to be submitted under Section 1543(a)(1), unless Congress acts to approve continued military action, or is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Section 1544(c) requires the President to remove U.S. armed forces that are engaged in hostilities "without a declaration of war or specific statutory authorization" at any time if Congress so directs by a Concurrent Resolution (50 USC 1544 (external link)). Concurrent Resolutions are not laws and are not presented to the President for signature or veto; as a result the procedure contemplated under Section 1544(c) is known as a "legislative veto" and is constitutionally questionable in light of the decision of the United States Supreme Court in INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919 (1983). Further sections set forth expedited Congressional procedures for considering proposed legislation to authorize the use of U.S. armed forces, as well as similar procedures regarding proposed legislation to withdraw U.S. forces under Section 1544(c) (50 U.S. 1545-46a).

The fifth part of the law sets forth certain definitions and rules to be used when interpreting the War Powers Resolution (50 USC 1547 (external link)). Finally, the sixth part is a "separability provision" and states that if any part of the law is held (by a court) to be invalid, on its face or as applied to a particular situation, the rest of the law shall not be considered invalid, nor shall its applicability to other situations be affected (50 USC 1548 (external link)).

U.S. Presidents have consistently taken the position that the War Powers Resolution is an unconstitutional infringement upon the power of the executive branch. As a result, the Resolution has been the subject of controversy since its enactment, and is a recurring issue due to the ongoing worldwide commitment of U.S. armed forces. Presidents have submitted a total of over 120 reports to Congress pursuant to the Resolution.

If we are not a nation of laws, then what are we?

[eddie]

Oh man, you are walking right into that one, but I'm not touching it.

Are we a nation without borders? No- build a wall.
Should we vet those who come here, yes.
Should we allow sanctuary cities, no
Should Muslims be allowed to put their roots here and takeover this nation, no, not like they've done in European countries. Should they be allowed to massacre people at a Christmas party in San Bernadio?

Why do things have to get so bad before action is taken?

[Silver]

Back to Somalia. Do Americans really approve of this constant policing of the world? Not to mention that we're broke.

http://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-somal ... bab-586004

The U.S. military command for Africa (AFRICOM) confirmed to Voice of America on Thursday that American soldiers from 101st Airborne Division had been deployed at the request of the Somali federal government to carry out a train-and-equip mission until September. An AFRICOM spokeswoman later confirmed the deployment to AFP and said that “a few dozen” troops would help Somalia’s army to “better fight Al-Shabab” and would conduct “security force assistance,” without elaborating on what this might entail.

[Silver]

Yeah, right. Trump and Ryan and McConnell are going to save us. Go to the article at the link immediately below for more interactive stuff. So the bombing and boots on the ground and missiles in the sky will continue. Sackcloth and ashes for America because nobody gets to freely kill brown people forever.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-2 ... terrorists

Why Congress Won’t Agree to Stop Arming Terrorists

by George Washington
Jun 28, 2017 3:06 PM

The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom said in 2008:

By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.
(audio here).

General Odom is absolutely is absolutely right …

And because the U.S. itself uses terrorism, it’s very hesitant to get others in trouble for using terrorism.

And that’s why Congress is refusing to pass a bill agreeing to stop funding terrorists. Specifically, Senator Rand Paul and Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard introduced bills to whose simple name accurately describes what they want: The “Stop Arming Terrorists Act”.

But neither bill looks like it has any chance of being passed right now:

The House bill has only 14 co-sponsors, and was given a mere 6% chance of passing by Skopos Labs
The Senate bill has NO co-sponsors, and was given a measly 3% chance of passing

How pathetic - and hypocritical - is that?

[freedomforall]

Oh man, you are walking right into that one, but I'm not touching it.

Are we a nation without borders? No- build a wall.
Should we vet those who come here, yes.
Should we allow sanctuary cities, no
Should Muslims be allowed to put their roots here and takeover this nation, no, not like they've done in European countries. Should they be allowed to massacre people at a Christmas party in San Bernadio?

Why do things have to get so bad before action is taken?

It's called tolerance until becoming enslaved. Like a deer standing off in the distance, unaware of pending danger and getting its head splattered every which way.
Many Americans are oblivious to becoming enslaved ever so slightly until it is ever too late. And the ones that do care and do something get shut down by Government and thrown into prison.
This is the new American way. Superman would be ashamed because the old American way, the correct American way, the American way that our Founder's wanted us to have...is gone.

"Brethren, let us think about that, because I say unto you with all the soberness I can, that we stand in danger of losing our liberties, and that once lost, only blood will bring them back; and once lost, we of this Church will, in order to keep the Church going forward, have more sacrifices to make and more persecutions to endure than we have yet known, heavy as our sacrifices and grievous as our persecutions of the past have been." [Conference Report, April 1944, pp. 115–116] J. Reuben Clark

See: https://archive.org/stream/conferencere ... arch/blood+

[freedomforall]

After Dropping Ramadan Feast, Trump Enrages Muslims By Axing Even Bigger Obama Tradition

[Silver]

Steve Bannon, former Goldman Sachs guy, adviser to the POTUS. Turns out he doesn't like Mises. Trump himself couldn't put together two intelligent sentences on the subject, but Austrian Economics is the real deal. Especially versus Keynesian economics. Anyway, this article is a good starting point for those who want to understand some foundational principles with some current topics thrown it for good measure.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/ ... cal-really

Thursday, 30 March 2017
Trump Strategist Bannon: Austrian Economics Too Theoretical. Really?!
Written by Steve Byas
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Trump Strategist Bannon: Austrian Economics Too Theoretical. Really?!
Steve Bannon (shown), the top political strategist for President Donald Trump, has criticisms for both the Democrats and the Republicans, according to Robert Draper in a recent piece for The New York Times Magazine. Draper quoted Bannon as saying both Democrats and Republicans have difficulty getting things done:

I think the Democrats are fundamentally afflicted with the inability to discuss and have an adult conversation about economics and jobs, because they’re too consumed by identity politics.

And then the Republicans, it’s all this theoretical Cato Institute, Austrian economics, limited government — which doesn’t just have any depth to it. They’re not living in the real world.

While Bannon’s analysis of the Democrats seems mostly on target, the charge that the Republicans are overly concerned with limited government or what the free market-oriented Cato Institute thinks seems off the mark — unfortunately. Sadly, most Republicans in Congress appear largely unconcerned about limiting the role of government in society. Perhaps they seem like rock-ribbed conservative free enterprisers, in contrast to the present left-wing composition of the Democratic Party; however, other than the House Freedom Caucus (an outgrowth of former Congressman Ron Paul’s Liberty Caucus), most Republicans are hardly warriors for limited government.

While much could be written on the topic of Republican lack of fidelity to limited government, perhaps the most telling comment by Bannon was his dismissal of “Austrian economics.”

Only a small minority of Americans even know what is meant by “Austrian economics”; however, Bannon’s insistence that those who follow that school of thought are “not living in the real world” should concern anyone who had hope that the Trump administration would not repeat the economic miscues so often practiced by the American government, Democrat or Republican, for the past several decades.

Austrian economics refers to a school of economic theory associated with an economist from Austria — Ludwig von Mises — and his disciples, such as Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, and former U.S. Congressman Ron Paul from Texas. Mises first gained attention in the late 1920s when he correctly predicted the Great Depression. While other economists were foolishly predicting that permanent prosperity had arrived in America, Mises asserted that was a fantasy.

“It is clear that the crisis must come sooner or later,” he stated. “It is also clear that the crisis must always be caused, primarily or directly, by the change in the conduct of the banks.”

Mises explained that the banks, spurred on by the Federal Reserve System, had erred in keeping interest rates artificially low. Inevitably, there would be a “correction," as happened in October of 1929 with the great stock market crash. Stock prices lost $30 billion in one month — about the amount it had taken for the United States to fight World War I. Disastrous government policies practiced first by President Herbert Hoover, and later by President Franklin Roosevelt, then caused the sharp downturn to persist for more than a decade.

One would think that Mises would be hailed as a brilliant man — and he certainly is by many who are familiar with what Austrian economics is all about. But Stephen Bannon is not alone in refusing to acknowledge the truth of what Mises said then, and continued to preach until his death in 1973.

So, what is Austrian theory? First, it may be helpful to look at the misguided views that theory challenged in the robust economic years of the 1920s. During that time, there was clearly real economic growth, with increased wealth produced in the United States in the form of automobiles and other technological advances. This massive increase in wealth should have led to a fall in prices, thus allowing an even wider distribution of that wealth to average Americans.

But the Federal Reserve System, America’s central bank that had been created by an act of Congress in 1913, adopted a policy of lower interest rates, which pumped increasing amounts of money into the economy. This injection of about 60 percent more money in the 1920s through lower interest rates kept prices “stable,” or in other words, did not allow prices to fall to their natural market level. Both Hoover and Roosevelt preached the theory that high wages and high prices led to a healthy economy; however, somehow (why is the topic for another article) these two well-educated men had ignored the whole point as to why the Industrial Revolution had raised the standard of living: increased production led to cheaper goods, making them more accessible to lower-income persons.

Austrian theory recognizes that there is a “free market” reason for interest rates to drop: the public saves more. But that is not the principal reason interest rates dropped in the Roaring Twenties. Both then and now, interest rates have been kept artificially low by our central banking system.

Business owners tend to borrow more often and at greater amounts when interest rates are low. When interest rates are kept artificially low via central banking policies, this creates the illusion of greater wealth than actually exists. As Thomas Woods explains in his book Meltdown, “Forcing interest rates lower than the free market would have set them makes economic actors act as if more saved resources exist than actually do. Some portion of their new investment is malinvestment,” or investment in projects that cannot be sustained — unless fresh injections of money and credit (inflation) are extended.

Woods pointed to the housing boom as a “classic example of this theory in action. Artificially low interest rates misdirected enormous resources into home construction. We now know this was unsustainable.”

What tends to happen at this point is what caused the boom — namely manipulation by the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates lower than their normal market level — is continued. This only puts the needed correction further off into the future, causing the inevitable bust to be much worse.

As Hayek noted, “To combat the depression by a forced credit expansion is to attempt to cure the evil by the very means which brought it about.”

Yet, despite several examples of such boom and bust cycles in U.S. history — caused by the manipulation of interest rates, all of which have proved Mises and his Austrian theory correct — modern politicians and their “learned” advisors persist in thinking they can ignore basic laws of economics. Mises stated, “The only way to do away with, or even to alleviate, the periodic return of the trade cycle — with its denouement, the crisis — is to reject the fallacy that prosperity can be produced by using banking procedures to make credit cheap.”

For the 12 million Americans left unemployed in the depths of the Great Depression — and for retired Americans today who suffer with politically-caused low interest rates for their life’s savings, the young couples dealing with the high prices caused by artificial credit expansion, and business owners struggling with the periodic downturns in the economy — that would seem to be pretty “real world."

In short, Bannon would do well to actually read what Mises had to say, and make the effort to understand it. Then, instead of criticizing the wisdom of the Austrian theory (which has been demonstrated to be true in practice multiple times), he could impart some of its wisdom to President Trump.

[eddie]

You know you're right FFA, it's all about tolerance. Our children are taught the teachers opinion rather than the basics, tolerance is good until the democrats lose and then all hell breaks lose, they are evil as evil can be. And then you get the hunger oners, not brave enough to burn things down, but anonymously are full of fight. They reveal themselves unwittingly and it's almost comical. I will give them credit for excellence in copying and pasting!

[freedomforall]

You know you're right FFA, it's all about tolerance. Our children are taught the teachers opinion rather than the basics, tolerance is good until the democrats lose and then all hell breaks lose, they are evil as evil can be. And then you get the hunger oners, not brave enough to burn things down, but anonymously are full of fight. They reveal themselves unwittingly and it's almost comical. I will give them credit for excellence in copying and pasting!

And the Founder's probably look down from above and shake their heads in total disgust.
I am reminded of when Jesus appeared to the Nephites after his crucifixion, how afterward the people were righteous, having no contentions, no wars, no backbiting, etc.....until about four generations had passed away. Then society did as usual and took a dive into the sewer.
We even read about this:

Helaman 12:4-5
4 O how foolish, and how vain, and how evil, and devilish, and how quick to do iniquity, and how slow to do good, are the children of men; yea, how quick to hearken unto the words of the evil one, and to set their hearts upon the vain things of the world!

Alma 46:8
8 Thus we see how quick the children of men do forget the Lord their God, yea, how quick to do iniquity, and to be led away by the evil one.

It's going to require people seeking to know the word of God and living by them to restore freedom and liberty. It's going to take people that are not set to constantly receiving freebees from Government and then depending on self reliance. It's going to require people that know and believe in the Constitution and are willing to preserve and uphold it. It's going to take people that know the Constitution is akin to scriptures, both having come from God.

People in this country have broken their oath to God, which is...if we the people will serve God, He will be our God and help and protect us from danger.
God is now under no obligation to help us because evil has been chosen over righteousness. Good is bad and bad is good. We have lawlessness in our courts and police agencies, they break laws as they write tickets, they break laws when people are stopped , harassed and collected from by corrupt laws, lawmakers and enforcers.
And we the people tolerate every bit of it. Meanwhile, Muslims are taking over cities, seeking and in some cases causing schools to allow Muslims to have prayer several times a day and squawking if they can't have their way, clearly against the Constitution.
People are in prisons without due process, beaten and tortured and treated like scum, also against the Constitution.
Farmers are having their land taken away and put behind bars if they resist. They are arrested, imprisoned or even assassinated, ie, Lavoy Finicum.
How long must we tolerate until we all are taken and put into camps to be watched by armed Nazi type police?
Yet all some people can think about is how to impeach Trump. Go figure!

Alma 60:7 with revised, current day reality.
7 Can you think to sit upon your butts in a state of thoughtless stupor, while your enemies are spreading socialism and unlawful acts around you? Yea, while they are robbing you of liberty and freedom from many thousands in our country—

[eddie]

You know you're right FFA, it's all about tolerance. Our children are taught the teachers opinion rather than the basics, tolerance is good until the democrats lose and then all hell breaks lose, they are evil as evil can be. And then you get the hunger oners, not brave enough to burn things down, but anonymously are full of fight. They reveal themselves unwittingly and it's almost comical. I will give them credit for excellence in copying and pasting!

And the Founder's probably look down from above and shake their heads in total disgust.
I am reminded of when Jesus appeared to the Nephites after his crucifixion, how afterward the people were righteous, having no contentions, no wars, no backbiting, etc.....until about four generations had passed away. Then society did as usual and took a dive into the sewer.
We even read about this:

Helaman 12:4-5
4 O how foolish, and how vain, and how evil, and devilish, and how quick to do iniquity, and how slow to do good, are the children of men; yea, how quick to hearken unto the words of the evil one, and to set their hearts upon the vain things of the world!

Alma 46:8
8 Thus we see how quick the children of men do forget the Lord their God, yea, how quick to do iniquity, and to be led away by the evil one.

It's going to require people seeking to know the word of God and living by them to restore freedom and liberty. It's going to take people that are not set to constantly receiving freebees from Government and then depending on self reliance. It's going to require people that know and believe in the Constitution and are willing to preserve and uphold it. It's going to take people that know the Constitution is akin to scriptures, both having come from God.

People in this country have broken their oath to God, which is...if we the people will serve God, He will be our God and help and protect us from danger.
God is now under no obligation to help us because evil has been chosen over righteousness. Good is bad and bad is good. We have lawlessness in our courts and police agencies, they break laws as they write tickets, they break laws when people are stopped , harassed and collected from by corrupt laws, lawmakers and enforcers.
And we the people tolerate every bit of it. Meanwhile, Muslims are taking over cities, seeking and in some cases causing schools to allow Muslims to have prayer several times a day and squawking if they can't have their way, clearly against the Constitution.
People are in prisons without due process, beaten and tortured and treated like scum, also against the Constitution.
Farmers are having their land taken away and put behind bars if they resist. They are arrested, imprisoned or even assassinated, ie, Lavoy Finicum.
How long must we tolerate until we all are taken and put into camps to be watched by armed Nazi type police?
Yet all some people can think about is how to impeach Trump. Go figure!

Alma 60:7 with revised, current day reality.
7 Can you think to sit upon your butts in a state of thoughtless stupor, while your enemies are spreading socialism and unlawful acts around you? Yea, while they are robbing you of liberty and freedom from many thousands in our country—

pPresudent Monson has taught;

" The face of sin today wears the mask of tolerance."