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Mark wrote: July 5th, 2017, 8:39 pm Regrettably I think Nyquist is on target with this summary of where we are as a Republic. :(

http://www.jrnyquist.com/swallowed-by-the-swamp.html
The whole article is below, after my brief comments. Nyquist writes passionately, but he is way too nice to Trump. Trump's personal lawyer was Roy Cohn until Cohn died of AIDS in 1986. Trump is as dirty as they come. Nyquist is also too nice to the Republicans. If they had stood up to Democrats after all the many elections we put them in office, the country might still be worth saving. Nah, the Republicans are worthless curs. Dogs. Traitors. Anyone who trusts Republicans needs their head checked. So do we trust the Trump who hung out with Cohn at the worst of events and the Trump who did business with the mafia? Or do we trust the Trump who recently became a Republican and still allows Hillary to walk around a free woman?

Swallowed by the Swamp
Commentary for Memorial Day 29 May 2017

Watching the Trump Administration is more and more like watching a funeral procession. The Republic is dead and there follows a parade of fifty hearses for fifty states. So many obituaries, so many political death notices. "Dearly beloved, we are gathered here together to honor the memory of President Donald Trump, who was.... Well, what was he?" We are not sure. But now, of course, he is a poltical corpse (like the country itself).
There is so much chaos. Those who cling to hope, who believe in the billionaire hero, who believe he is politically yet alive, refuse to see what is before their eyes. They believe the Great Border Wall is going to be built. They believe illegal immigration is going to be stopped. They think the influx of Muslims will slow to a trickle.
But none of that will happen. Even if the stock market continues to climb, even if we rebuild our military, socialism will yet devour us from within; for Trump is not consistantly anti-socialist. He has already compromised with elements of the socialist agenda. And such compromise must be fatal to his agenda, in the end. Because of the Republicans in Congress, it seems, Obamacare will remain the law of the land. Crony capitalism will continue to strangle us economically. Our China trade will gradually reduce us to Third World status. Political correctness will continue its march toward full blown Stalinism. The family will continue to disintegrate. The birthrate will continue to plummet. In the end, the Muslims will own it all -- because even the Mexicans and Chinese will stop having babies.
So the Republic, which is dead, will not even be remembered; for the Muslims will not remember us. They will not honor our ancestors. That was our duty, which we refused to accept. Even our Constitution will be forgotten. And, of course, it already is. We have a Constitution in name only. We have Republicans in name only. Our Democrats are Bolsheviks and our Bolsheviks are doing for us what they did for Russia. They are killng us. They have elminated all our instincts. The critical instinct, of course, is the survival instinct; and that is long gone, long erased. The younger the citizen, the less instinct remains. Finally, there is no citizen at all. There is nothing.
It is the "suicide of the West" writ large. No turning back. Because it's all about convenience. The next generation of Americans? They are left with three ideas: (1) procreation is unnecessary; (2) having fun is all that matters; (3) don't think about your country.
Trump was going to change that. At least he made some people think so. But we cannot return to 1955. And even if we could return, we'd just end up here again. Because 1955 logically brings us to 2017, because we never uprooted Marxism. We never stopped the subversion of our country. It has infected us. It has taken over our schools. It has defeated motherhood. It has castrated the father. We are tranvestited. We are transexualized. In other words, we are neutered.
Imagine reconstituting instinctual existence from scratch, with nothing but misguided political correctness to go by. There will be only one voice, one viable way out; and it will sound, at the eleventh hour, like the voice of Ann Barnhardt; full of contempt for what we have done to ourselves, for our weakness, for our degradation, for our fall from Grace.
Trump is not going to save us. He is too outnumbered, too outflanked, too late. He is the victim of the Big Lie. "Russia hacked the election." He doesn't know how to fight it. He doesn't know what to do. Even Hannity is going to be dragged down and trampled by this unstoppable, monstrous lie. It is helpful, in this context, to read Diana West's piece on The Seth Rich Chronology.
Seth Rich was a DNC staffer who was shot in the back twice, and died once. Evidence is mounting that he was the guy who leaked the DNC emails. The Wikileak emails. Yes, the emails that probably cost Hillary Clinton the election. These are the same emails that everyone has forgotten because "Russia hacked the election." Clinton's wickedness and criminality was on display in those emails. In fact, a special prosecutor should have been named to investigate Mrs. Clinton. Instead, a special prosecutor has been named to investigate Mr. Trump!
So, if you haven't understood the game as yet: repeat this sentence, again and again: "Russia hacked the election." Then put two bullets in the back of Seth Rich and call the Special Prosecutor in the morning. Trump is going down next! I say again, even if Trump was in bed with the Russian mafia, Russia did not hack the election. Russia did not want Trump to be president. They wanted Clinton. Those who have followed the Clinton career, with its communist ties and its trips to the Communist Bloc, knows that Russia has only pretended to dislike Mrs. Clinton. Russia only pretended to like Mr. Trump.
Russia didn't have to hack the election. They are never so obvious, so crass. The Russians have strategic style! They have elegance! They have no economy, and their leaders are psychopaths; but hey, they're not going to hack the DNC and get caught. It isn't what they do. Their agents, after all, are the real rulers of America. These Marxists, these "former" Soviet sympathizers, took the United States by the throat when Obama was elected; and they continue to choke the life out of the country, holding a firm grip on the Washington bureaucracy. There is no getting them out (short of civil war).
Let's not pretend this mess is fixable by legislative amendment. There's going to be a hard reset, one way or another. That is because, in truth, the Constitution was mortally wounded long ago. Then Obama came and finished it off. The Supreme Court helped him. The Republicans helped him -- with gay marriage and socialized medicine. The Constitution gives no power to the Federal Government to manage everyone's Healthcare. Under the Consitution, the Federal Government does not have the power to change the meaning of common English words, like marriage, which always meant the union of man and woman. But now it means the union of man and man, or woman and woman, or man and chicken. Goodness knows what it will mean next; except, in truth, it means nothing as of this writing.
So there is no Constitution. It was dead letter long ago. All the rest is an illusion, a misunderstanding. And now the Left will be coming for us all. They are writing down our names for the Great Book of Death. And beside each name is written the "N" word. It is the word that dehumanizes as it annihilates. Here, "N" stands for Nazi, and every Nazi must be exterminated. Once you are set down as a Nazi, your freedom ends. Your rights are at an end. There is only a rope, or a firing squad, or a prison cell.
For the DNC whistleblower, Seth Rich, there were two bullets in the back. Shot down while talking to his girl friend. Dead before he reached the hospital. Code blue. Couldn't be revived; so if you are a Democrat of conscience, and you see that Clinton cheated Bernie Saunders out of the Party nomination, and you have the emails to prove what happened, you'd better think twice. Because, regardless of Clinton's cheating, there remains that definitive sentence: "Russia hacked the election." Repeat after me. Say it. Come now. Say it. This is how you bend laws and break Constitutions. This is how you warp the consciousness of a generation as you build Soviet power. And then, two bullets in Seth Rich's back.
But this is nothing new. Remember White House Council Vince Foster? Remember Commerce Secretary Ron Brown? I met one of the witnesses to the Ron Brown murder -- U.S. Navy medical photographer Kathleen Janoski. "Wow, look at the hole in Ron Brown's head!" Yes, a bullet hole. And here, as I turn the pages of Terry Reed's memoir about the Clintons, with the title Compromised: Bush, Clinton and the CIA, we find that many other assassinations are alluded to. And that was back in the 1980s, in Arkansas, when Bill Clinton was governor there.
The Clintons are not lambs. They are not well-meaning people. They are monsters. They are killers. And the people aligned with them are crooked. And the senators who voted for Bill Clinton's innocence during his impeachment trial, were merely thinking of their own mistresses, and of their other dalliances, and recalling that Newt Gingrich resigned because the Clintons exposed his hypocrisy. And the same was true with Gingrich's successor. Yes, the House voted for impeachment and Newt Gingrich was the guy who resigned. The Speaker of the House.
Ah, the power of a blackmail threat. The House was courageous, so the House leaders paid for their courage. But the Senate thought twice. Clinton was guilty, but they found him innocent. They did so because they were also guilty. And so the Republic ends.
This is where we have arrived. And now we have proof. Read the twelve most damaging of the Wikileaks emails at http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/. Here we find that Hillary wants to erase the U.S. border. We find that she took money from countries she knew had funded ISIS, that her lieutenants were paying people to incite violence at Trump rallies. And there's so much more -- of money laundering and lies, and fake policy positions and lawbreaking. And the Democrats never denied any of it. There was merely that sentence, the Big Lie, the Great Diversion: "Russia hacked the election."
And two bullets in Seth Rich.
Are you angry yet? Does it make you afraid? Where is the outrage? Where is the passion? Certainly, it is no longer visible in Mr. Trump. And Jeff Session's picture should be on a milk carton along with the faces of other missing persons (says a journalist friend). Where did they all go? Where are the treason trials? Where are the criminal investigations?
The swamp has swallowed them all. And now there is nothing left but an eruption of swamp gas, a burping of what was -- only months ago -- a political movement in favor of draining the swamp.
So watching the Trump Administration is like a funeral procession. And I am sickened by this procession. A procession of the damned. Not one hearse, but fifty hearses for fifty states of the Union.

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Silver wrote: July 5th, 2017, 8:59 pmThe whole article is below, after my brief comments. Nyquist writes passionately, but he is way too nice to Trump. Trump's personal lawyer was Roy Cohn until Cohn died of AIDS in 1986. Trump is as dirty as they come. Nyquist is also too nice to the Republicans. If they had stood up to Democrats after all the many elections we put them in office, the country might still be worth saving. Nah, the Republicans are worthless curs. Dogs. Traitors. Anyone who trusts Republicans needs their head checked. So do we trust the Trump who hung out with Cohn at the worst of events and the Trump who did business with the mafia? Or do we trust the Trump who recently became a Republican and still allows Hillary to walk around a free woman?
Bump! When does the good behavior begin. Was it a hypocrite calling for good behavior, someone so full of themselves that they can't see their own folly?
Hypocrites are two cents a dozen these days. Especially those that teach love and compassion on Sunday. Unbelievable.
Even Jesus knew who hypocrites were and called them out on it because of their perverse fruits.

Prov. 11:9.
hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour,

D&C 50:8
hypocrites shall be detected and shall be cut off,

Prov. 26:28
a flattering mouth worketh ruin,

Prov. 20:19
meddle not with him that flattereth,

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Silver wrote: July 5th, 2017, 8:59 pm
Mark wrote: July 5th, 2017, 8:39 pm Regrettably I think Nyquist is on target with this summary of where we are as a Republic. :(

http://www.jrnyquist.com/swallowed-by-the-swamp.html
The whole article is below, after my brief comments. Nyquist writes passionately, but he is way too nice to Trump. Trump's personal lawyer was Roy Cohn until Cohn died of AIDS in 1986. Trump is as dirty as they come. Nyquist is also too nice to the Republicans. If they had stood up to Democrats after all the many elections we put them in office, the country might still be worth saving. Nah, the Republicans are worthless curs. Dogs. Traitors. Anyone who trusts Republicans needs their head checked. So do we trust the Trump who hung out with Cohn at the worst of events and the Trump who did business with the mafia? Or do we trust the Trump who recently became a Republican and still allows Hillary to walk around a free woman?
Roy Cohn gave Trump his best slogan ever, which he has consistently tried to uphold:
"Even when you lose, declare victory!" - Roy Cohn
That's how he can go on calling all these compromises and blows to his agenda "winning". The only team winning so far seems to be the Gadiantons. :(

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The narcissist can't even hear himself speaking lies within a 30 second sound byte. There is either a "red line" or there isn't. To claim there is not and then say something will be done in response to North Korea's actions is a contradiction.

The US and its allies couldn't defeat poor, little North Korea in 1953. What makes us think we can defeat her now? Besides, we can't afford to go to war. In case you haven't heard, the same bankers to whom Trump owes his financial life and the same bankers who are now desecrating the White House as a part of Trump's administration have run up a $20 trillion stack of debt. We're slaves and we don't even know it. When this play ends and the props come down and the house lights are turned on, we'll see clearly the sackcloth and ashes that are our future.

Here's the lame Trump quote:
“I have some pretty severe things we’re thinking about," Trump said at a news conference in Warsaw. "Doesn’t mean we’re going to do them. I don’t draw red lines."

“I think we will just take a look at what happens over the coming weeks and months with respect to North Korea,” Mr. Trump added. "It’s a shame they’re behaving this way and they’re behaving in a very dangerous manner, and something will have to be done about it.”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-0 ... orth-korea

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Bump!!!

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http://www.nofrackingway.us/2016/06/17/mafia-don-trump/

Mafia Don Trump
JUNE 17, 2016 BY CHIP NORTHRUP LEAVE A COMMENT

Mafia Don’s Murky Past

Presidential candidate Trump prefers the grandiose titular name, The Donald. In reality, to be honest to his background, it should be The Mafia Don as in Don Coreleone in the movie The Godfather. Trump’s past is so intertwined with organized crime it’s incredible that the hand-wringing GOP anti-Trump establishment or Hillary Clinton have not smeared it across every newspaper in America.

Trump was born just after the end of World War II in Jamaica Queens, New York some seventy years ago. He was son of Fred Trump, a major New York real estate and construction developer. It was well known to every taxi driver or bar owner that for anyone to be a success in New York construction he had to be on friendly terms with the mob, then and today. Just like those who run the garbage disposal businesses, or control the harbors. Fred Trump’s son Don left business school to join daddy Fred’s construction and real estate business in New York City.

Trump’s early mentor in the ways of doing slick, shady construction business in New York was one of the sleaziest characters in New York, a lawyer named Roy Cohn.

Mafia Don and Roy Cohn - on right
Mafia Don and Roy Cohn – on right
Cohn, once lawyer for the sleazy US Senator Joe McCarthy, reportedly shaped McCarthy’s insane paranoid campaign against unnamed communists in the State Department in the early 1950s. Cohn’s biographer, Nicholas von Hoffman, noted that Cohn “lived in a matrix of crime and unethical conduct…derived a significant part of his income from illegal or unethical schemes and conspiracies.” His ties to the mob were so close that he allowed top Mafia bosses like Frank Costello to hold their meetings in his law office so they could claim lawyer-client immunity privilege.

Cohn, who was pronounced dead of AIDS in 1986 and was described by Hoffman as, “the best-known non-show-business homosexual in the country,” was the attorney for a notorious cocaine-snorting Manhattan nightclub in the late 1970’s called Studio 54.

Hoffman wrote of the orgies at Studio 54 held by Cohn, “For special celebrities, the wildest parties were held in the basement…with high society’s homosexuals, transsexuals and transvestites…” Cohn held some of his biggest birthday bangs, attended on at least one occasion by, “the important officials of the Democratic, Republican, and Conservative parties, most of the city’s major elected officials, a number of Congressmen, the Chief Judge of the United States District Court and Roy’s usuals…Donald Trump.”

Donald Trump, organized crime lawyer, Roy Cohn, and cocaine orgies in the basement of Studio 54 attended by judges and politicians of every party? In an interview Trump even described one such Studio 54 orgy he attended: “I would watch supermodels getting screwed, well-known supermodels getting screwed, on a bench in the middle of the room. There were seven of them and each one was getting screwed by a different guy. This was in the middle of the room.” He omitted to say whether he was among that seven.

In the 1970’s when Trump was in his 20’s he hired Roy Cohn as his attorney and “fixer” as he took over his father’s New York real estate and construction business. Trump and Cohn were regular companions at Studio 54 where Cohn was the lawyer. Trump reportedly even kept a photo of Cohn in his office.

In 1979, Cohn introduced Trump to a political dirty-tricks specialist named Roger Stone. Trump and Stone remain close to the present day. Stone, who has worked with Trump on campaigns since 1987, including the present Presidential bid, was charged and fined along with Trump for illegally breaking campaign rules as they fought the development of Indian casinos, competition for Trump’s Atlantic City casinos. Stone’s advice to Trump and other clients was, “Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack….When somebody screws you, screw ‘em back—but a lot harder.” Trump learned Stone’s method well. In 2015 Trump again hired Stone for managing his GOP Presidential bid, but reportedly fired him in August, 2015 for taking too much credit for Trump’s growing success. The Don likes to take all credit. He is, after all, grandiose.

The Don’s mob pals

Mentored since his 20’s by New York mob attorney, Roy Cohn, The Don ever since has been involved with mob or mafia figures. Characteristically, as befits a protegé of Roy Cohn, Trump always denies knowing they were mob figures.

Don Trump entered the world of casino gambling in 1987. Casinos have invariably been associated with laundering money, criminal money of the mob, of the CIA for covert operations like Iran-Contra—taking dirty money and making it “clean,” untraceable. Las Vegas was created by Meyer Lansky, the late head of what was called during Prohibition “Murder Inc.” Lansky ran the casinos of pre-Castro Cuba until the Cuban Revolution in 1959 kicked him and his casinos out. In 1987, a year after his mentor and close friend Roy Cohn died of AIDS, Trump bought 93% control of a dubious casino company in the Bahamas called Resorts International.

Resorts International evolved from a CIA money-laundering front company set up by CIA chief Allen Dulles in the 1950’s. It was called the harmless-sounding name Mary Carter Paint Company. It later merged with help of CIA funds, with Jim Crosby’s Crosby-Miller Corporation. The name was changed to Resorts International in 1968 and it ran casinos in the Caribbean. In 1963, Alvin I. Malnik, a top henchman of crime boss Meyer Lansky, was deeply involved with Mary Carter/Resorts. Resorts International financed a New Jersey referendum that made casino gambling legal in one city in the state-Atlantic City.

Jim Crosby, an alleged CIA front man who later founded a private security company called Intertel whose clients numbered the late Shah of Iran and late Nicaraguan dictator Anastasio Somoza, thendied. His family sold the 93% control of Resorts International to…The Don, Donald Trump, in March 1987. Casinos in Atlantic City were the result of a decision years earlier at a mob meeting in Acapulco of the Meyer Lansky Syndicate to expand operations outside Las Vegas, Nevada. Resorts International, then one of the most successful casino operations, was used to do it. Trump entered that charmed world in 1987.

In 1991 Trump and his Atlantic City Trump Plaza casino came into trouble with the New Jersey Casino Control Commission about his dealings with Robert LiButti, a high-rolling gambler and horse breeder who was later banned from Atlantic City for his ties to mob boss, John Gotti. When asked about the LiButti tie, Trump retorted, as he always does, that he “couldn’t recall” the name. He told the Philadelphia Inquirer when questioned about his relation to LiButti, “I have heard he is a high roller, but if he was standing here in front of me, I wouldn’t know what he looked like.” The only problem is that LiButti’s daughter, Edith Creamer, LiButti’s daughter, told Yahoo News that Trump’s account was false. “He’s a liar,” said Creamer. “Of course he knew him. I flew in the [Trump] helicopter with [Trump’s then wife] Ivana and the kids. My dad flew it up and down [to Atlantic City]. My 35th birthday party was at the Plaza and Donald was there. After the party, we went on his boat, his big yacht. I like Trump, but it pisses me off that he denies knowing my father.

In 2010, The Don appointed Felix H. Sater aka Satter, an executive at Bayrock Group LLC, to be Trump’s “senior business adviser,” with an office next to Trump’s and Trump business cards. Sater’s Bayrock had partnered with Trump on the Trump Soho high-rise hotel in Manhattan and other branded luxury real estate deals. Sater had pleaded guilty in 1998 to racketeering for his role in a $40 million stock fraud scheme involving the Genovese and Bonanno crime families. When an AP reporter questioned Trump about Sater in December, 2015, The Don replied his usual, “Felix Sater, boy, I have to even think about it. I’m not that familiar with him.” A spokesman for the Trump Organization acknowledged publicly that Sater worked for Trump after the disclosures of Sater’s criminal background. Sater is a Russian émigré who emigrated to Brooklyn in 1974.

American success story?

Trump has become a political phenomenon and popular among frustrated Americans fed up with lying Washington politicians. He wins traditional Democratic labor union support for attacking Obama’s Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal for robbing more American jobs. He wins support from confused angry unemployed or underemployed voters when he pledges to build a wall on the Mexican border to keep illegal refugees out, calling them drug dealers and criminals. Similarly, he garners support from the so-called “silent majority” when he proposes, quite against the US Constitution, to ban any and all Muslims from entering the United States.

The Don has someone behind the scenes, perhaps old crony Roger Stone, giving him very savvy advice on the “hot button” issues on voters’ minds and panders to that, as any skilled demagogue would. He does it in sound bytes. He spells out no coherent program to rebuild America or to deal with a nation in existential crisis other than to proclaim he could “sit down with Putin” and work a deal. About what, he never says.

Trump’s campaign website proclaims the now familiar mantra, “Trump is the very definition of the American success story, continually setting the standards of excellence in business, real estate and entertainment.”

What he chooses not to play up is that he has repeatedly declared bankruptcy on his casinos then, suspiciously, coming out of bankruptcy smelling like the proverbial rose. Trump’s hotel and casino businesses have declared bankruptcy five times between 1991 and 2014. Because the businesses used Chapter 11 bankruptcy, they were allowed to operate while the owners attempted to settle accounts with investors through asset sales and debt cancellation.

According to a report by Forbes in 2011, the first four bankruptcies were the result of over-leveraged hotel and casino businesses in Atlantic City: Trump’s Taj Mahal, Trump Plaza Hotel, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts, and Trump Entertainment Resorts. Boasting, Trump said “I’ve used the laws of this country to pare debt. … We’ll have the company. We’ll throw it into a chapter. We’ll negotiate with the banks. We’ll make a fantastic deal. You know, it’s like on The Apprentice. It’s not personal. It’s just business.”

There are two possible conclusions to draw from the above documents of a fifty some year history of businessman Don Trump and a myriad gaggle of business associates who are tied to the mob. Either it is true, as he says again and again, that he was unaware of their mob ties and worked with them for superior their business skills. In that case, with fifty years of such abysmal lack of elementary due diligence in checking backgrounds of those he works with in the most sensitive positions, Don Trump is demonstrably not qualified, on national security grounds, to even be White House gardener. On the other hand, if the ties are with knowledge and clear intent, from Roy Cohn to those of the last several years, Don Trump then is a narcissistic pathetic real estate and casino gangster who ought never to step near the most powerful office on Earth.

http://journal-neo.org/2016/03/20/a-maf ... pompadour/

F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.
http://journal-neo.org/2016/03/20/a-maf ... pompadour/

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President Trump's speech in Poland was excellent, the people cheered him endlessly! President Trump becomes more presidental everyday!

Him being in Poland reminds me of the Gulf War, Poland wanted to help with that war, so they sent thousands of troops to the Gulf, and the Mexicans didn't know what to do with them.


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That's hardly good news. Good news would have been Trump announcing that the US is pulling all troops out of the Middle East and that it will stop funding and arming all the terror groups there. It is an indication of how deep and effective the propaganda is for anyone to call a ceasefire good news. The brainwashing is almost complete in America.

If India and Indonesia were having a war in your town and they said they were going to enter into a cease fire, but not pull their troops out, how would you feel? If you've still got your wits about you, you'd say, "A ceasefire? That's not sufficient. Get out of here. Go home."

Also note, as the article states: "The United States and Russia struck an agreement Friday on a cease-fire in southwest Syria". It's only one part of Syria. Which part would that be? The part next to Israel. Hmmm, isn't that curious.

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Nothing spells F-R-E-E-D-U-M-B quite like the sheeple thinking Trump is going to Make America Great Again.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-0 ... -americans

The NSA Is Still Spying On All Americans ...

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The man who designed the NSA’s electronic intelligence gathering system (Bill Binney) sent us an affidavit which he signed on the Fourth of July explaining that the NSA is still spying on normal, every day Americans … and not focused on stopping terror attacks (I’ve added links to provide some background):

The attacks on September 11, 2001 completely changed how the NSA conducted surveillance …. the individual liberties preserved in the U.S. Constitution were no longer a consideration. In October 2001, the NSA began to implement a group of intelligence activities now known as the “President’s Surveillance Program.”

The President’s Surveillance Program involved the collection of the full content of domestic e-mail traffic without any of the privacy protections built into [the program that Binney had designed]. This was done under the authorization of Executive Order 12333. This meant that the nation’s e-mail could be read by NSA staff members without the approval of any court or judge.

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The NSA is still collecting the full content of U.S. domestic e-mail, without a warrant. We know this because of the highly-detailed information contained in the documents
leaked by former NSA-contractor, Edward Snowden. I have personally reviewed many of these documents.

I can authenticate these documents because they relate to programs that I created and supervised during my years at the NSA.

[U.S. government officials] have also admitted the authenticity of these documents.

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The documents provided by Mr. Snowden are the type of data that experts in the intelligence community would typically and reasonably rely upon to form an opinion as to the conduct of the intelligence community.

[The Snowden documents prove that the NSA is still spying on most Americans.]

When Mr. Snowden said that he could read the e-mail of a federal judge if he had that judge’s e­mail address, he was not exaggerating.

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The NSA is creating a program that shows the real-time location of all cell phones, tablets and computers in the world, at any time. To have a state-actor engaging in this sort of behavior, without any court supervision, is troubling.

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In their public statements, [government officials] claim that collection of information is limited, and is being done pursuant to Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (“FISA”). FBI Director James Comey recently described Section 702 of FISA as the “crown jewel” of the intelligence community.

Defendants, however, are not being candid with the Court. Collection is actually being done pursuant to Executive Order 12333(2)(3)(c), which — to my knowledge — has never been subject to judicial review. This order allows the intelligence community to collect “incidentally obtained information that may indicate involvement in activities that may violate federal, state, local or foreign laws.” Any lawyer can appreciate the scope of this broad language. [Background.]

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Who’s That You Called Dangerous, President Trump?
by Thomas Knapp Posted on July 08, 2017
On July 6, CNN reports, “President Donald Trump chided North Korea for its recent missile tests, saying it is ‘behaving in a very very dangerous manner.’” Particularly motivating Trump’s expression of angst was this week’s test of the Hwasong-14, which the North claims (and the US seems to believe) is “capable of hitting any part of the world, along with nuclear weapons.”

But since Trump wants to talk about dangerous behavior, let’s.

Kim Jong Un’s regime has, in recent months, test-fired a handful of missiles harmlessly into the ocean.

Only two months ago, Donald Trump ordered the firing of 59 missiles at military bases situated on the territory of a sovereign nation with which the US is not at war (Syria).

The US government is worried that the North may be close to developing the launch capability to hit the US with one of its 13-30 atomic fission weapons boasting explosive yields of up to the equivalent of 30 thousand tons of TNT

The US, by the way, possesses nearly 7,000 nuclear weapons with yields of up 1.4 million tons, and 450 Minuteman 3 ICBMs to carry them. It’s also the only nation on Earth that’s ever used atomic or nuclear weapons in war.

North Korea invaded South Korea in 1950 and hasn’t invaded another country since.

How many countries has the US invaded since then? There’s not room here to list them all, but right off the top of my head I can think of six just since 2001 (Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, and Syria). The US maintains military bases in more than 70 countries around the globe.

North Korea’s army numbers nearly a million, armed with obsolete weapons and equipment, who haven’t been tested in combat for nearly 65 years.

The US military boasts 1.3 million active duty troops, with state of the art weapons and equipment, who’ve been hardened by a decade and a half of near-continuous combat deployments.

The US military’s annual budget is more than 20 times North Korea’s entire annual Gross Domestic Product.

Who’s that you called dangerous, President Trump?

It’s true that the North Koreans have been working hard to develop nuclear weapons and a long-range missile capability. Who can blame them? Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi gave up their nuclear weapons programs under pressure from the US government, which then proceeded to overthrow and kill them. Apparently Kim Jong UN would rather die of old age than from making the mistake of trusting Donald Trump.

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At this point I fully believe that if anyone other than Trump would have become POTUS, Silver would have still been apt to be on a rampage.
I still think he ought to run for POTUS next election. If he wins then all Americans can play ring-around-the-rosie 24/7, having full confidence that for every challenge the USA encounters, good or bad, the correct decision will be made and our country can move along just like clockwork.

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freedomforall wrote: July 9th, 2017, 2:24 am At this point I fully believe that if anyone other than Trump would have become POTUS, Silver would have still been apt to be on a rampage.
I still think he ought to run for POTUS next election. If he wins then all Americans can play ring-around-the-rosie 24/7, having full confidence that for every challenge the USA encounters, good or bad, the correct decision will be made and our country can move along just like clockwork.
I agree that Silver should be President, look at the efficiency he uses bashing Trump! He has an eye for detail
His 1st hundred days would be filled with venom, men would want to be him and countries would fear him.

I write could be his Vice President, or lapdog as silver prefers to say) I mean the guy knows it all. I bet Darrell Castle would vote for him, one vote is better than none.

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eddie wrote: July 9th, 2017, 9:39 am
freedomforall wrote: July 9th, 2017, 2:24 am At this point I fully believe that if anyone other than Trump would have become POTUS, Silver would have still been apt to be on a rampage.
I still think he ought to run for POTUS next election. If he wins then all Americans can play ring-around-the-rosie 24/7, having full confidence that for every challenge the USA encounters, good or bad, the correct decision will be made and our country can move along just like clockwork.
I agree that Silver should be President, look at the efficiency he uses bashing Trump! He has an eye for detail
His 1st hundred days would be filled with venom, men would want to be him and countries would fear him.

I write could be his Vice President, or lapdog as silver prefers to say) I mean the guy knows it all. I bet Darrell Castle would vote for him, one vote is better than none.
Actually I already got dibs on VP if Silver ever runs for President. Thought you knew that :p

In an alternate reality, I'm sure you'd be quite surprised to discover that if Hillary had won the presidency, both he and I would be attacking her policies with equal vigor. Mostly because they are exactly the same policies.

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iWriteStuff wrote: July 9th, 2017, 4:38 pm
eddie wrote: July 9th, 2017, 9:39 am
freedomforall wrote: July 9th, 2017, 2:24 am At this point I fully believe that if anyone other than Trump would have become POTUS, Silver would have still been apt to be on a rampage.
I still think he ought to run for POTUS next election. If he wins then all Americans can play ring-around-the-rosie 24/7, having full confidence that for every challenge the USA encounters, good or bad, the correct decision will be made and our country can move along just like clockwork.
I agree that Silver should be President, look at the efficiency he uses bashing Trump! He has an eye for detail
His 1st hundred days would be filled with venom, men would want to be him and countries would fear him.

I write could be his Vice President, or lapdog as silver prefers to say) I mean the guy knows it all. I bet Darrell Castle would vote for him, one vote is better than none.
Actually I already got dibs on VP if Silver ever runs for President. Thought you knew that :p

In an alternate reality, I'm sure you'd be quite surprised to discover that if Hillary had won the presidency, both he and I would be attacking her policies with equal vigor. Mostly because they are exactly the same policies.
Who narrowed the name to Hillary? I said anyone that becomes POTUS.
freedomforall wrote: At this point I fully believe that if anyone other than Trump would have become POTUS, Silver would have still been apt to be on a rampage.
I believe that you and Silver would rake anyone over the coals for merely spitting on the side walk, let alone making choices you do not approve of. I think it is time that you guys put your money where your mouths are. Let's see if you can do any better at running the country and protecting US people from any possible confrontations with those wanting to either harm or rule Americans in any fashion.
Let's see if you guys would uphold an oath to our Constitution, and for one instance, allow people to keep and bear arms without any intent to resort to gun confiscation like was done in Boston in 2013, where 72 people were killed. Here is some info on that:

72 Killed Resisting Gun Confiscation in Boston
This should have never occurred.

Would you reverse gay marriage law to ban the practice?
Would you return us to what the Founders wanted us to have, which is a righteous Republic?
Would you cause all police across the land to protect the rights of the people instead of ruling with a gun in hand and a loud mouth enforcing their own laws?
This list could go on for a long time.

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freedomforall wrote: July 9th, 2017, 8:24 pm This should have never occurred.
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iWriteStuff wrote: July 9th, 2017, 8:32 pm
freedomforall wrote: July 9th, 2017, 8:24 pm This should have never occurred.
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Wrong!! My argument is quite valid because squirrels don't wear sweaters. Only in your wildest dreams.
When you and Silver become VP & P then we'll see how things work out for ya when the pressure is on. It's easy to flap one's jaw when there is no responsibility behind it, no one to have to answer to. Even Castle would have had more trouble than he could handle. The nation is already upside down, the pot has been overturned and the cat is out of the bag and has been eaten by rabid dogs.
But, hey, all kinds of dirt can be found on people not liked, and the ones that are liked, everyone forgives them of any wrong doing because of political correctness, or they just plain turn a blind eye and keep bad stuff hush, hush.
Instead of using anonymity as a cover, why not send a letter to Trump and tell him how much you hate him and that he is doing a lousy job? You and Silver could get a lot more satisfaction confronting the bad apple instead of complaining 24/7 and getting no where. And you may not have so much opposition from the peanut gallery here on the forum.

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Trump Mansion Sold to “Mobsters Sans Frontières”
Posted on June 26, 2008 by Daniel Hopsicker
KOXZThe Russian "businessman" to whom Donald Trump sold his Palm Beach mansion for a purported $100 million was arrested in Russia in April of 1997 and charged with masterminding the killing of a business rival, in what law enforcement authorities called "a contract hit."

The MadCowMorningNews has uncovered an April 13, 1997 report in the official Russian news agency TASS announcing that Russian law enforcement authorities arrested Russian fertilizer king Dmitry Rybolovlev and charged him with being behind the murder of the head of another Russian chemical company, in what authorities said was a war for control of Russia’s lucrative fertilizer business.

“The suspected murderers and organizers of the crime, including the head of the FD-Kredit Bank, Dmitry Rybolovlev, have been arrested,” TASS reported.

russianmafiaTrump’s announcement of his big sale Wednesday received wide play. It was trumpeted everywhere from the Wall Street Journal to Entertainment Tonight.

The Wall Street Journal, with perhaps unintended irony, called Rybolovlev, a 42-year-old Russian billionaire who currently ranks #59 on the Forbes list of the world's billionaires, “one of Russia's richest and most discreet businessmen.”

None of the stories mentioned Palm Beach's newest billionaire's mainline connection to the Russian Mob.

The real 'never-ending story'
5-trumpmaisonHow Donald Trump came to own and sell Maison de l’Amitie, his 6.5 acre Palm Beach waterfront estate, is just the latest chapter in the “Never-Ending Story,” the continuing saga of the moves and machinations of spooks & crooks and other major players in the netherworld of transnational organized crime.

Billionaire mogul Trump supposedly received a massive windfall, selling a property for one of the the highest prices ever paid in the United States that he had scooped-up at a bankruptcy sale five years earlier.

Trump’s self-promoting announcement yesterday may inadvertently provide a public service, shining a spotlight on the dark 21st Century phenomenon of the corruption of hapless nation-states by the insidious forces of global organized crime, who clearly appear to have a leg up in the contest.

rybolovlev_2News accounts identified Dmitry Rybolovlev, the man whose investment company purchased Trump’s lavish 6.3-acre estate, as, variously, a ‘Russian businessman,’ a ‘Russian oligarch,’ a ‘mysterious Russian billionaire.,’ a ‘Russian fertilizer magnate’ and a ‘fertilizer billionaire.’

The Russian oligarch’s fortune increased by an amazing $10 billion, just in the past year, according to London’s Financial Times.

And all this time we thought the hot tip was plastics.
uralkaliRybolovlev runs Uralkali, a Soviet-era fertilizer company founded in the 1930’s, and his designation as “fertilizer king” should have been newsworthy, marking him as the first person from that industry to splash in quite such dramatic fashion onto the “lifestyles of the rich and famous” Palm Beach social scene.

But the fertilizer business— as an explanation for a $13 billion fortune—left suspicions. No one in the recorded history of Planet Earth has ever made $10 billion dollars in fertilizer before, let alone in just one year.

003_smallIS DMITRY Rybolovlev really the world’s first horse-manure billionaire?

Or… is it just a lot of bull?

While no questions were raised, no one can claim to be wholly ignorant of what is going on in Russia, a country that has been described as a "kleptocracy from top to bottom;” as well as a “semi-criminal State.”

According to estimates of Russia's Interior Ministry, two-thirds of the Russian economy is under the sway of organized crime. Crime syndicates enjoy the protection of the ruling oligarchy, which consolidated its power during Yeltsin's long drunken twilight during the late 90’s.

Two hundred of Russia's largest crime gangs are now global conglomerates.

Coming through for you… but for how long?
donald-trumpThe MadCowMorningNews alone decided to take a look at Trump’s new business pal…

So before passing along the juicy details, we need to stop here a moment. And urge you to take a look and a listen to what its taken just to "stay in play," as an independent investigative reporter in the field, and knocking on doors.

What being a dissident journalist is about is looking into things you're not supposed to.

So consider this a shameless plug, to say that to continue to do what we're doing, we need your help.

Because this is news--two kick-@#$ books & five amazing documentaries-– that you won't see anywhere else.

And nobody keeps it alive except you.

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So what did we find?

In the April 13, 1997 story from the official Russian news agency TASS, Dmitry Rybolovlev had already been arrested, and stood accused of masterminding the murder of a rival for control of Russia’s lucrative fertilizer business.

“The suspected murderers and organizers of the crime, including the head of the FD-Kredit Bank, Dmitry Rybolovlev, have been arrested,” TASS reported.

Headlined “Investigation into Perm Businessman’s Murder Finalized,” the story stated that “An investigation into the murder of Yevgeny Panteleimonov, General Director of Neftekhimik, has been finalized and the materials passed over to the court.”

“It took the investigators two years to find out why the businessman was murdered in the doorway of his house. Observers believe the crime is related to the potassium and oil business, in which both the victim and the crime’s suspected organizer were involved,” TASS reported.

It came as no surprise when we discovered next that the murder went away, and that there has been no further mention of the matter in the Russian press since.

Five shots at close range. Three horrified daughters.
Back in 95, though, before the oligarchs tightened their icy grip, TASS had plenty to say on the day after the murder, calling it a “contract killing.”

TASS described the hit in a story with the headline, “Big Chemical Company Director Shot Down in Urals.”

“The general director of a big Russian Chemical company was killed on Monday by five pistol shots at the entrance to his apartment in Perm, a regional center in the Urals.”

“Yevgeny Panteleimonov, 44, was recently appointed General Director of Neftekhimik, a joint-stock chemical company with over 1500 employees, after his predecessor resigned (suddenly), for some reason choosing not to wait for a shareholder’s meeting.”

“Investigators appeared at the scene of the crime, which took the life of the father of three daughters, within fifteen minutes,” the report continued, and a dozen detectives had been assigned to the case.

And although the chief detective on the scene said they had no current hot leads, he helpfully offered that a similar crime involving the director of a big local firm had taken place just three weeks earlier, in which a bomb exploded which left the targeted businessman seriously wounded.

The "Octopussy" sets sail.
1539276Trump bought the property for $41.4 million at a bankruptcy auction four years ago from its previous owner, who one writer described as “nursing home magnate and vulgarian-at-large Abe Gosman.”

Gosman went belly up after Federal auditors began probing his Massachusetts nursing homes as part of a national anti-fraud campaign called—with no obvious intended irony—“Operation Restore Trust."

In a time-honored tradition, Gosman had parked his assets in his wife’s name. But a federal bankruptcy judge ruled that he wasn’t legally married, because his new wife wasn’t yet legally divorced at the time of their big “theme” wedding aboard the Octopussy, Gosman's luxury yacht.

Deep politics. Secret history. The morals of an alley cat.
Trump himself had first come to prominence with his 1987 purchase of the Resorts International gambling empire. With his colorful personality and (literally) over-the-top comb-over, Trump soon became a household name.

But while the name "Trump" appeared in advertising and headlines, the real ‘movers and shakers’ behind Resorts International were suspected of remaining hidden from public view.

Pulling no punches, New Jersey magazine called Resorts International, in print, “a mismanaged, unscrupulous, mob-tainted company with the morals of an alley cat.”

Ouch! Resorts International responded—in a move all-too-familiar to readers of The MadCowMorningNews—by promptly filing a lawsuit.

At the time of Trump’s purchase, Resorts International was widely reported to have deep ties to the CIA. Its previous owner, James Crosby, founded Intertel, an internationally-known security company often described as a private Central Intelligence Agency, which listed among its clients billionaire recluse Howard Hughes, the Shah of Iran and Nicaraguan dictator Anastasio Somoza.

"We can close the barn door now. The horse is gone."
mob_museum_sfwAnd that’s not to mention Resorts Mob ties…

In a December 29, 1980, story headlined “Showdown in Atlantic City,” Fortune business magazine reported, “At Bally, the Lansky organization is far in the background, but it begins to move forward at Resorts International and Caesars World.”

The real story of the sale of Donald Trump’s Palm Beach mansion concerns the rapidly-accelerating growth of international Organized Crime, which has created a transnational crime curve which intelligence and law enforcement agencies have fallen 5-10 years behind.

Republican Attorney General Michael Mukasey, in a speech to an audience of intelligence analysts several months ago, warned that the biggest38186637 imminent threat to world order is currently posed–not by terrorists–but by the forces of transnational organized crime.

“International organized crime groups control significant positions in global energy and strategic materials, and are expanding holdings in the U.S. materials sector, corrupting the normal functioning of markets in ways that may have a destabilizing effect on U.S. geopolitical interests and posing real national security threats to this country," Mukasey stated.

"They touch all sectors of our economy, dealing in everything from cigarettes to oil; clothing to pharmaceuticals. They are more sophisticated, they are richer, and they have greater influence over government and political institutions worldwide.”

An accelerating trend
MPWClearly, times have changed in Palm Beach, and Donald Trump’s sale of his north-end mansion for $100 million can only accelerate the trend.

Once famous as America's old-money winter enclave, a getaway for wealthy industrialists, the clash between old and new money has made it a slightly-more bohemian strip of sand for billionaires… There are more Eastern European accents, and more bodyguards wearing mirrored shades.

As the big Trump sale illustrates only too clearly… our worst fears have already come true.

And that's today’s real Palm Beach story.

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This is why true conservatives and lovers of the Constitution will defeat the likes of Trump and his CFR-run administration.

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3226 ... of-tyranny

I am of course speaking of the banking cabal, the cult of financiers and elites that make up the globalist hierarchy. They pervade the halls of numerous institutions and think tanks, from the Federal Reserve and the Council on Foreign Relations to the International Monetary Fund and the Bank for International Settlements. They sit in positions of great political influence and hold council (and some would say considerable sway) over world leaders. They write "theoretical" policies which are quickly adopted by governments and made into law. They are primary stockholders and owners of our mainstream media. Their slithering fingers are wrapped around academia and many scientific communities. They insinuate themselves into every foundation of thought, because thought is what they most wish to control.

They prefer to divide and conquer, to pit one group against another, or to give their ideological enemies enough rope to hang themselves with. If they can't rule the psyche of a society or succeed in 4th generation warfare, they will fall back to the old standard of brute force. In fact, they might just do that anyway, because what tyrant doesn't love instilling abject terror every once in a while?

And yet, these "elites" stand on a razor's edge. Despite all their supposed power, despite all their wealth, despite the vast spiderwebs they weave, all of it can be turned to ash in an instant and they know it. Empires like this rely on anonymity, and they are anonymous no longer. The cabal is out in the open; they have to be.

To shift the world into true globalism and true centralization requires actions which can be masked from some people but not all people. They believe the intricate digital networks they have funded will buy them total information awareness, but these same networks also provide us with the tools to understand who they are and what they want. This double-edged sword of full spectrum data creates a Catch-22 timeline. The longer the globalists wait to implement the one world system they desire, the more time we have to educate millions of people. The faster they implement their one-world system, the more likely they are to make a mistake.

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Trump, Khashoggi, & Germany’s Criminal Deutsche Bank
Posted on June 26, 2017 by Daniel Hopsicker




It is public knowledge that two well-known customers of Deutsche Bank have deals considered sensitive to scrutiny. One is Donald Trump.

The other is—or was— Adnan Khashoggi.

The death of Saudi arms dealer and CIA fixer Adnan Khashoggi in London two weeks ago reminds the world again about Adnan Khashoggi’s rich history with fellow Palm Beach ‘homie’ Donald Trump.

Not just in yachts—as interminably reported in obituaries— but in banks.

Khashoggi spent 40 years in the intermittent glare of worldwide publicity, from the Lockheed bribery scandal in the 1970’s, Iran Contra in the 1980’s and BCCI, the Bank of Crooks & Criminals, in the early 90’s, to name just a few.

Had he lived a bit longer, he would likely become famous again, especially if Deutsche Bank continues to stonewall the Congressional probe into why the bank—alone among major banks worldwide—was willing to loan $300 million dollars to Donald Trump, a man who’d stiffed investors by declaring bankruptcy six times.



A continuing criminal conspiracy



Deutsche Bank loans to Donald Trump are relatively well-known. Just google “Trump and $300 million.”

On the other hand, Adnan Khashoggi’s business dealings with Deutsche Bank—except in certain circles—are not.

But Adnan Khashoggi’s criminal collusion with Deutsche Bank offers clues to Trump’s own, and may provide evidence supporting prosecutorial use of the three words many defendants fear hearing: “Continuing criminal conspiracy.”

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freedomforall wrote: July 10th, 2017, 3:48 am Instead of using anonymity as a cover, why not send a letter to Trump and tell him how much you hate him and that he is doing a lousy job? You and Silver could get a lot more satisfaction confronting the bad apple instead of complaining 24/7 and getting no where. And you may not have so much opposition from the peanut gallery here on the forum.
Show me any place where I claimed to hate Trump. Rather, I have shown numerous times how it is his policies I dislike. The only one making it personal here is you.

Here, try something productive. This was Tweeted by Trump this morning:
I cannot imagine that Congress would dare to leave Washington without a beautiful new HealthCare bill fully approved and ready to go!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 10, 2017
Explain to me what is beautiful about the "new" HealthCare bill. Try a constructive debate on the merits of legislation Trump seems to think is "beautiful". Show me the awesomeness of ObamaCare 2.0, rather than what Candidate Trump promised. Again, these were the promises:
1) “We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

2) "I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid

3) “We don't want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance.”

4) “I firmly believe that nobody will be worse off financially in the process that we’re going through.”

5) “I am going to take care of everybody … Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”
Tell me whether he kept his promises. A simple yes or no will suffice.

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Remember Trump is the guy who said that Edward Snowden should be executed. Citizen 4. The guy was trying to tell us of the illegal conduct occurring in the US government. And nothing has improved since Trump has become President.

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How “Nothing to Hide” Leads to “Nowhere to Hide” – Why Privacy Matters in an Age of Tech Totalitarianism

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Jul 10, 2017 11:37 AM
Via The Daily Bell

Editor’s note: The following comes from a longtime journalist who specializes in writing for major media outlets and private companies about robots, Big Data, and Artificial Intelligence (AI).

Would you allow a government official into your bedroom on your honeymoon? Or let your mother-in-law hear and record every conversation that takes place in your home or car – especially disagreements with your husband or wife? Would you let a stranger sit in on your children’s playdates so that he could better understand how to entice them with candy or a doll?

Guess what? If you bring your phone with you everywhere, or engage with a whole-house robo helper such as Alexa or Echo or Siri or Google, you’re opening up every aspect of your life to government officials, snooping (possibly criminal) hackers, and advertisers targeting you, your spouse and your children.

The following is not a screed against technology. But it is a plea to consider what we’re giving up when we hand over privacy, wholesale, to people whom we can neither see nor hear… people whose motives we cannot fathom.

The widened lanes of communication, and the conveniences that Smart Phones, wireless communities, Big Data and Artificial Intelligence (AI) have fomented are indeed helpful to some extent. They allow, for example, for remote working, which allows people to spend more time with their families and less time commuting. In areas such as the energy business, the field of predictive analytics, born of Big Data and the Industrial Internet, helps mitigate the danger of sending humans to oil rigs at sea.

And on a personal level, of course, the conveniences are innumerable: Grandparents living far away can “see” their grandchildren more often than they could in years past, thanks to technology such as FaceTime and Skype.

People save money: As you walk by a restaurant, a lunch coupon suddenly appears on your phone.

And they can save time: Someday soon, the Internet of Things might tell your coffee maker and alarm clock to go off before its normal time, because bad weather is coming and your son’s school bus will arrive 15 minutes early to avoid the fog.

But there’s a corollary we must think about. (Two corollaries, actually, one being the long-term effects of Electromagnetic Fields on our health, and especially on our brains. But so far, few studies have been funded to examine this.)

We must acknowledge that we’re gaining all this convenience at the expense of our privacy.

When you ask Siri or Echo or Alexa or Google (and others of their ilk) something, it’s great to get an immediate answer… but the corollary is that Siri and Echo and Alexa and Google are listening to every conversation you’re having with your spouse, every fight you’re having with your kids, and every bit of heavy breathing that might be taking place in the dark.

That response inherently grants legitimacy to the search in the first place. The implication is that if you have nothing to “hide,” then the tech companies, the advertisers, the government, etc. should indeed have full access to every aspect of your life.

Note that the word in the phrase is “hide” and not “protect”, thereby implying that all that is not shared with any intrusive party must be something nefarious, something you’re trying to keep from those who have a right to it.

And if you think about it, “nothing” is the wrong word, too: Forgive the vulgarity here, but would you use the toilet in front of your mother-in-law? Would you allow an IRS official into your bedroom at night? Or to move into your home and record every conversation that takes place? Would you open your private diary to your spouse’s ex or to your children? Clearly, there are some things we do indeed wish to keep private.

In other words, if it’s OK to want to protect the privacy of one’s genitals or one’s private thoughts, why is it wrong to want to protect one’s conversations or whereabouts?

Totalitarianism and Tech – Caveat Emptor

Privacy is the first thing that a totalitarian state attempts to destroy.

Ask anyone who lived behind the Berlin Wall or in Stalinist Russia. If you know what parents are teaching their children, you can intervene and destroy the family, a primary goal of totalitarianism. If you know someone’s secrets or vulnerabilities, you can manipulate him. Knowledge truly is power, especially if you are a big state wanting to control people.

As a child, I was a huge fan of figure skating, and in particular of the great, then-East German champion Katarina Witt. In an interview a few years ago, she revealed her shock that the Stasi collected thousands of records of all her comings and goings and private conversations. The spies even noted when she had been intimate with her boyfriend. When the government knows all, no one is immune, and everyone can be controlled.

And just think, they were documenting Miss Witt’s activities and conversations by hand, back in the 1970s and ‘80s. Now, nearly every single aspect of our lives is being recorded in real time. Every email, every text, every phone conversation. Every time you allow your phone to know where you are, your whereabouts are noted. Soon, that Internet of Things — IoT — which already connects 50 billion “things” through an internet of its own, will be coming to your refrigerator, your dishwasher, your coffeemaker. Happy Alexa and GE “smart fridge” commercials are airing as we speak.

And not only are we letting all of this happen, we’re welcoming it. Twenty years ago, it was Miss Witt’s friends who recorded her personal conversations, and strangers who spied on her. But as she has noted, these days, we give a lot of our privacy away of our own free will. If someone were parked outside your house, surveilling you day and night, it would be unnerving, no? But we’re fine keeping our phones on us 24/7, and telling Facebook personal details about ourselves.

We do this because of the convenience, which will be increasing in scope as quickly as do the various surveillance mechanisms. Will it be convenient when your fridge tells your phone that you’re running low on orange juice (as the bottle will have a sensor, too)? Perhaps.

But will it be convenient when that same fridge tells your health insurance company that you’ve got ice cream in the freezer? And when your rates go up because of it?

Worse – will it be convenient when that fridge listens to your kitchen conversations and tells the government that you’ll be organizing a political discussion group on Tuesday? Or when it tells that bizarre man you went on one date with, who hacked your system, that your daughter has a recital this Friday night?

This is not a conspiracy theory. This is an extrapolation of what happens when people who crave power gain access to vast amounts of personal information.

The more you tell Facebook, or Siri, or Google, or FourSquare, or your phone, or your washing machine, then the more of your own personal power and privacy you’re giving up. (And the more photos you post of your young children, the more of their power you’re relinquishing. So, parents — stop. Now.)

Bottom line: Once the state (or a company) knows your weaknesses, they can exploit them. They can go after you in myriad ways. And I don’t just mean to “punish” you… I mean to manipulate you.

If a politician has access to your personal proclivities, then he can easily craft, via Artificial Intelligence, a targeted campaign that caters to exactly what the data tell him you want to hear. In the future, he could even warp news stories, video and even audio in real time to appeal to you for gain.

If a potential employer is considering you for a job, then she can (already) access every YouTube video you’ve ever watched, every public post you’ve ever made, and, soon, everything else you’ve put online. In the future, she might be able to access everything you’ve ever said in your home or in your car, or every video of you taken by your television when you think it’s off.

Those conversations and images will be sold as commodities. “Data” = “money” and “power.” Companies will soon specialize in mining all that personal data; they’ll be paid to flag “inappropriate” conversations, texts or images. Think about it.

A private banker I spoke to in Asia is proud of the fact that his bank is working in concert with FinTech to develop Know Your Customer technology on steroids: It will find every single email, text message, photo, post, and even online search that you’ve ever done so that it can (and this sounds so innocuous) “paint a holistic and predictive picture of client needs.”

That predictive part is critical. Not only do data tell those who hold them where you’ve been, but AI and Big Data analysis can predict where you’re going (both physically and psychologically)… and here’s the really scary part… before you know it.

That gives the data holders real powers of manipulation. The winners of a battle are nearly always the ones with the advanced information, the ones who can launch the surprise attack.

Technology can lead to convenience, but it can also lead to abuses of power. In its extreme, that is called totalitarianism.

In the end, we must take precautions if we’re to have anything close to liberty. Some of you have, no doubt, read Jonah Goldberg’s excellent book from 2007, Liberal Fascism, the hardcover of which features a smiley face graphic with a Hitler mustache. In the introduction, Mr. Goldberg quotes a segment from a Bill Maher show in which George Carlin says, in essence, (and I’m paraphrasing) that “when fascism comes to America it will be wearing a smiley face.”

I’d go a step further — it will be cloaked in an emoji… seemingly innocuous, friendly, and ubiquitous.

We must stop giving away our privacy. We must start thinking about personal “data” as the commodity that it already is, and even as a weapon that can be used against us.

If we don’t stop and reconsider what we’re giving away, not only will there be nothing to hide, but nowhere to hide.

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Re: Good Behavior Trump Debate Thread

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iWriteStuff wrote: July 10th, 2017, 7:06 am
freedomforall wrote: July 10th, 2017, 3:48 am Instead of using anonymity as a cover, why not send a letter to Trump and tell him how much you hate him and that he is doing a lousy job? You and Silver could get a lot more satisfaction confronting the bad apple instead of complaining 24/7 and getting no where. And you may not have so much opposition from the peanut gallery here on the forum.
Show me any place where I claimed to hate Trump. Rather, I have shown numerous times how it is his policies I dislike. The only one making it personal here is you.

Here, try something productive. This was Tweeted by Trump this morning:
I cannot imagine that Congress would dare to leave Washington without a beautiful new HealthCare bill fully approved and ready to go!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 10, 2017
Explain to me what is beautiful about the "new" HealthCare bill. Try a constructive debate on the merits of legislation Trump seems to think is "beautiful". Show me the awesomeness of ObamaCare 2.0, rather than what Candidate Trump promised. Again, these were the promises:
1) “We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

2) "I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid

3) “We don't want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance.”

4) “I firmly believe that nobody will be worse off financially in the process that we’re going through.”

5) “I am going to take care of everybody … Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”
Tell me whether he kept his promises. A simple yes or no will suffice.
Once again, you prove my point. You just can't come out and say you don't hate Trump and leave it at that. The word "hate" is profoundly too strong a label, so I rescind that word and replace it with "disdain."
Then you throw in some questions in order to distract having to answer questions posed to you. To answer questions by posing questions is an old trick. And then you have the gall to say "a yes or no answer will suffice" as if you still have control of the conversion. How about a yes or no answer for my questions, instead of a double standard? If it is too hard, then don't expect me, or anyone else for that matter, to provide yes or no answers. It is as simple as that.
Why not admit that you two guys are liberals out to join in the ranting of the rioters in the streets of America, picking out every issue possible in order to bring Trump down no matter what he does, good or bad?
Exchange the name Trump for any name you like that you would rather see in office, and then tell us that you wouldn't complain about whatever actions that person engages in that you don't like, but what we wouldn't hear about all the dirt possibly found.

Does "The Constitution will be saved, but not in Washington" mean anything to you? Isn't there a hint that no matter who becomes POTUS, the Constitution will continue to erode until there is next to nothing left, and then it will be triumphantly brought back to full force for a people willing to abide by it?
So for me to be taking things personal, that statement rings true because the erosion of the Constitution is effecting everyone that cares about it. It needs to be taken personally. And until we get a person that leads this country in the way God intended, we all need to take it personal and not use the term as a weapon for inference.

Evil is happening in every facet of life, every faction within society and at every level of mankind's existence. So just what does it solve by sending fiery darts out that may return to the sender if not perfect in every way, scripturally speaking?

BTW, back to the word "hate." In scripture we see that word with respect to God.

Proverbs 6:16-19

So what does the word "hate" really mean?

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Re: Good Behavior Trump Debate Thread

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Trump has his proxies who will continue to foment trouble in the Middle East. That does not make him any less of a murderer.

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Why Is Nikki Haley Still Trump’s UN Ambassador?
It's unclear whether she is speaking for herself or the White House.
By PHILIP GIRALDI • July 7, 2017


U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley. Credit: Flickr/Creative Commons/U.S. Mission Photo/Eric Bridiers
I went to a meeting the other night with some Donald Trump supporters who, like me, had voted for him based on expectations of a more rational foreign policy. They were suggesting that the president’s attempts to move in that direction had been sabotaged by officials inside the administration who want to maintain the current warfare state. Remove those officials and Trump might just keep his pledge to leave Bashar al-Assad alone while improving relations with Russia. I was somewhat skeptical, noting that the White House had unilaterally initiated the April 7 cruise missile attack on a Syrian airbase as well as the more recent warning against an alleged “planned” chemical attack, hardly moves that might lead to better relations with Damascus and Moscow. But there are indeed some administration figures who clearly are fomenting endless conflict in the Middle East and elsewhere.

One might reasonably start with Generals James Mattis and H.R. McMaster, both of whom are hardliners on Afghanistan and Iran, but with a significant caveat. Generals are trained and indoctrinated to fight and win wars, not to figure out what comes next. General officers like George Marshall or even Dwight Eisenhower who had a broader vision are extremely rare, so much so that expecting a Mattis or McMaster to do what falls outside their purview is perhaps a bit too much. They might be bad choices for the jobs they hold, but at least they employ some kind of rational process, based on how they perceive national interests, to make judgements. If properly reined in by a thoughtful civilian leadership, which does not exist at the moment, they have the potential to be effective contributors to the national-security discussion.

But several other notable figures in the administration deserve to be fired if there is to be any hope of turning Trump’s foreign policy around. In Arthur Sullivan’s and W. S. Gilbert’s The Mikado, the Lord High Executioner sings about the “little list” he is preparing of people who “never will be missed” when he finally gets around to fulfilling the requirements of his office. He includes “apologetic statesmen of a compromising kind,” indicating that the American frustration with the incompetence of its government is not unique, nor is it a recent phenomenon.

My own little list of “society’s offenders” consists largely of the self-described gaggle of neoconservative foreign-policy “experts.” Unfortunately, the neocons have proven to be particularly resilient in spite of repeated claims that their end was nigh, most recently after the election of Donald Trump last November. Yet as most of the policies the neocons have historically espoused are indistinguishable from what the White House is currently trying to sell, one might well wake up one morning and imagine that it is 2003 and George W. Bush is still president. Still, hope springs eternal, and now that the United States has celebrated its 241st birthday, it would be nice to think that in the new year our nation might be purged of some of the malignancies that have prevailed since 9/11.

Number one on my little list is Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley, who is particularly dangerous as she is holding a position where she can do bad things. Haley has been shooting from the lip since she assumed office and, it has become clear, much of what she says goes without any vetting by the Trump administration. It is never clear whether she is speaking for herself or for the White House. That issue has reportedly been dealt with by having the State Department clear in advance her comments on hot button issues, but, if that is indeed the case, the change has been difficult to discern in practice.

Haley is firmly in the neocon camp, receiving praise from Senators like South Carolina’s Lindsey Graham and from the Murdoch media as well as in the opinion pages of National Review and The Weekly Standard. Her speechwriter is Jessica Gavora, who is the wife of the leading neoconservative journalist Jonah Goldberg. Haley sees the United Nations as corrupt and bloated, in itself not an unreasonable conclusion, but she has tied herself closely to a number of other, more debatable issues.

As governor of South Carolina, Haley became identified as an unquestioning supporter of Israel. She signed into law a bill to restrict the activities of the nonviolent pro-Palestinian Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, the first legislation of its kind on a state level. Haley has also stated that “nowhere has the UN’s failure been more consistent and more outrageous than in its bias against our close ally Israel.” On a recent visit to Israel, she was applauded by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, stating “You know, all I’ve done is to tell the truth, and it’s kind of overwhelming at the reaction…if there’s anything I have no patience for, it’s bullies, and the UN was being such a bully to Israel, because they could.”

But Haley sometimes goes far beyond trying to “tell the truth.” In February, she blocked the appointment of former Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad to a diplomatic position at the United Nations because he is a Palestinian. In a congressional hearing this past week, she was asked about the decision: “Is it this administration’s position that support for Israel and support for the appointment of a well-qualified individual of Palestinian nationality to an appointment at the UN are mutually exclusive?” Haley responded yes, that the administration is “supporting Israel” by blocking any Palestinian from any senior UN position because Palestine is not recognized by Washington as an independent state.

At various UN meetings Haley has repeatedly and uncritically complained of institutional bias towards Israel, asserting that the “days of Israel bashing are over,” without ever addressing the issue that Israeli treatment of the Palestinians might in part be responsible for the criticism leveled against it. Her description of Israel as an “ally” is hyperbolic and she tends to be oblivious to actual American interests in the region when Israel is involved. She has never challenged the Israeli occupation of the West Bank as well as the recent large expansion of settlements, which are at least nominally opposed by the State Department and White House.

Haley is inevitably a hardliner on Syria, reflecting the Israeli bias, and consistently hostile to Russia. She has said that regime change in Damascus is a Trump administration priority. Her most recent foray involves the White House warning that it had “identified potential preparations for another chemical weapons attack by the Assad regime.” Haley elaborated in a tweet, “…further attacks will be blamed on Assad but also on Russia and Iran who support him killing his own people.” Earlier, on April 12, after Russia blocked a draft UN resolution intended to condemn the Khan Shaykhun chemical attack, Haley said, “We need to see Russia choose to side with the civilized world over an Assad government that brutally terrorizes its own people.”

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Obviously, Trump would have never been elected if we still had educated, patriotic voters.

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The President We Have Versus the President We Need
How we get there from here
By DANIEL L. DAVIS & FRANCES L. GARCIA • July 10, 2017


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On the 4th of July, 1801, President Thomas Jefferson first opened the White House—dubbed “the People’s House”—for a public reception celebrating the nation’s birth. All the dignity and grace with which Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence was on display. The president and White House were both sources of immense national pride for the American people. How tragically far we’ve fallen since those honorable days.

Before laying the blame entirely on the shoulders of the current occupant of the Oval Office, however, we would do well to examine some other contributing factors. As it turns out, President Trump—who is, by the way, solely responsible for his singularly irresponsible behavior—is nevertheless more a symptom than the core problem.

In just the latest of scores of such displays since his inauguration, President Trump recently reached two new lows in staining the office of the presidency. On June 29, he tweeted that MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski were “low I.Q. Crazy Mika” and “psycho Joe.” Just days later, the president tweeted a caricature of himself body-slamming a fictionalized CNN reporter.

In the most charitable rendering possible, such behavior is akin to an immature high school sophomore; it is so far beneath what used to be the dignity of the White House, that it is without modern precedent. The question is, how did such a juvenile person get elected to the nation’s highest office? The answer is instructive and should serve as a warning for both the coming midterms and the 2020 presidential election.

In the early days of the 2016 cycle, Donald Trump was one of only 17 major contenders for the GOP nomination. It was clear from the beginning that the Republican party leadership was hoping for any of maybe five candidates to win—and virtually united in working to defeat one: Trump. As the field was whittled down to three in March 2016, the GOP did all it could to derail Trump and work to elect either Senators John Kasich or Ted Cruz. What the Republican leaders failed to recognize, however, is how far they had become detached from their base.

A full eight months before the election, the New York Times reported that from states all across the country, “rank-and-file Republicans expressed mystification, dismissal and contempt over the instructions that their party’s most high-profile leaders were urgently handing down to them: Reject and defeat Donald J. Trump.” By June, a Rasmussen Poll quantified just how far the party was from its supporters: fully 73 percent believed “their party leaders are out of step with the rank-and-file.”

Instead of acknowledging this growing angst and changing their ways to reflect the will of the people, GOP leaders instead continued to push forward, apparently believing they could ignore the voters and could support only candidates who mirrored the party’s agenda irrespective of what the people wanted. What they discovered to their pain is that when the people are pushed too far they will finally assert their power in the voting booths over even party elites. The Democratic Party, however, was equally disconnected with their base—and remains so.

This past April, the Washington Post wrote that, “The Democratic Party is viewed as more out of touch than either Trump or the party’s political opponents. Two-thirds of Americans think the Democrats are out of touch—including nearly half of Democrats themselves.”

One of the major reasons Donald Trump is president today is because both the GOP and Democratic Party elites ignored what the voters wanted and only supported candidates that would endorse a party-approved agenda. Trump was an outsider, bombastic, and decidedly not a standard politician. Many people voted for him in hopes that he would “stick it to” the elites from both parties and fix Washington’s dysfunction. Many who voted for Trump, however, now have buyer’s remorse because most never imagined he would be quite this petulant.

Democratic leaders seem to believe that they will be able to take advantage of this foul mood and sweep into control of both the House and Senate in 2018 and back into the White House in 2020 with their chosen candidates. Many in the GOP are rightfully worried about both elections, but appear hopelessly divided among themselves and unable to effectively govern. The party elites of neither party get it: America is sick of the status quo.

They want to elect a quality man or woman who genuinely understands and cares for the needs of the people. They want someone who is first and foremost a servant, not someone who believes it’s “their turn” or believes they’re entitled. Americans desire and deserve a president who has integrity, honor, respect, and possess genuine humility. Yet they also want a Commander-in-Chief who is tough, will fiercely defend the nation’s interests and security, and is unquestionably qualified for the job. Some voters will want that candidate to be a Democrat and others a Republican, but everyone wants a candidate that places the needs of the nation above the desires of the party.

Let the party elites continue to slug out partisan fights in Congress if they must. But for the sake of the nation, the Republican and Democratic Party leaders must belatedly recognize it’s not about them. They must discover the courage and humility to field candidates who will break from the status quo of dysfunction and support policies that strengthen the nation’s defense, economy, and moral foundation. Fail to learn this lesson, and something worse than Trump may not be out of the question.

Daniel L. Davis is a frequent contributor to The American Conservative and military fellow at Defense Priorities. Frances L. Garcia has a BS in Government and International Politics from George Mason and is pursuing a Master’s of Public Administration and Public Policy from American University. The views in this article are those of the authors alone and do not reflect the opinions of Defense Priorities. Davis can be followed @DanielLDavis1.

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