Good Behavior Trump Debate Thread

[Silver]

Watch for wholesale genocide in Yemen now that Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is in place. Yemen is the battleground for fighting Iran by proxy. Tillerson, the NWO Gadianton, in cahoots with Trump, the murderer, will close his eyes to the war crimes committed by our "loyal ally" in the Middle East.

It doesn't take any bravery to denounce President Trump or call him a murderer, the definition would more accurately be , pathetic, divider, etc. The people who stir the poop pot should have to lick the spoon!

Hey eddie - go read up on Mohamed bin Salman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_bin_Salman

Then read some more. This is the guy that will start the next BIG war (has it ever stopped?) in the Middle East. Heck, he's already invaded Yemen and sent forces into Syria:

The first major event in his tenure as defense minister was Operation Decisive Storm, part of the Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen, an operation against Houthi rebels in Yemen, experiencing the 2015 Yemeni Civil War. Prince bin Salman launched the invasion in March 2015, without fully coordinating across security services, and without informing Saudi National Guard Minister Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah, who was out of the country. According to the UN and human rights groups, direct war crimes were committed during the conflict including a major bombing campaign accused of killing thousands of civilians. So far, the war has already cost the kingdom tens of billions of dollars and destroyed much of Yemen's infrastructures but failed to dislodge the Shiite Houthi rebels and their allies from the Yemeni capital. While Prince Mohammad sold the war as a quick win on Houthi rebels in Yemen and a way to put Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi back in power, it actually turned into a long war of attrition.

In Syria, in early 2015, Saudi Arabia supported the creation of The Army of Conquest mainly made up of the Al-Qaeda affiliate - Al-Nusra Front - and the ideologically similar Aurar al-Sham.

And who is his new best friend?
trumpsarabhomie.jpg

Please, read up on the issues. You don't want to miss this one. Really. :ymdevil:

Well, if the Muslims terrorists in this country ever fully take root, then maybe you'll get a chance to experience this right at home.

Amazing how that sort of writing mimics exactly what the Latter Day Saints faced in Missouri. Next thing we know, FFA will issue an Extermination Order against the Muslims.

Headquarters of the Militia, City of Jefferson, Oct. 27, 1838.
Gen. John B. Clark:
Sir: Since the order of this morning to you, directing you to cause four hundred mounted men to be raised within your division, I have received by Amos Reese, Esq., of Ray county, and Wiley C. Williams, Esq., one of my aids [sic], information of the most appalling character, which entirely changes the face of things, and places the Mormons in the attitude of an open and avowed defiance of the laws, and of having made war upon the people of this state. Your orders are, therefore, to hasten your operation with all possible speed. The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the state if necessary for the public peace--their outrages are beyond all description. If you can increase your force, you are authorized to do so to any extent you may consider necessary. I have just issued orders to Maj. Gen. Willock, of Marion county, to raise five hundred men, and to march them to the northern part of Daviess, and there unite with Gen. Doniphan, of Clay, who has been ordered with five hundred men to proceed to the same point for the purpose of intercepting the retreat of the Mormons to the north. They have been directed to communicate with you by express, you can also communicate with them if you find it necessary. Instead therefore of proceeding as at first directed to reinstate the citizens of Daviess in their homes, you will proceed immediately to Richmond and then operate against the Mormons. Brig. Gen. Parks of Ray, has been ordered to have four hundred of his brigade in readiness to join you at Richmond. The whole force will be placed under your command.

I am very respectfully, yr obt st [your obedient servant],
L. W. Boggs, Commander-in-Chief.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_ ... e_Order_44

FFA also finds himself outside the doctrine of the church in another way with his posts on Muslims:
Articles of Faith 1:
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

Spencer W. Kimball:
We are a warlike people.

Jesus Christ:
43 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

[iWriteStuff]

Well, if the Muslims terrorists in this country ever fully take root, then maybe you'll get a chance to experience this right at home.

You're a funny one, FFA. Chances are pretty good I'm one of the best armed people you'll ever meet. Heck, I'm even an NRA certified firearms instructor. I teach the local wardies for free to those who are interested in learning, honing their skills, or obtaining their Concealed Carry permit.

The difference is I hope I NEVER EVER have to use a gun on another human being. Not Muslim, Christian, Satan worshipper, or otherwise. I don't thirst for blood and I would only ever use deadly force if there was absolutely no other alternative to protect my family or other human life.

Please don't mistake respect for human life as cowardice. It is the opposite.

[Silver]

FFA, if only Trump would keep his campaign promises and stop bombing majority-Muslim countries....

Wouldn't it be interesting if the Christians acted like Christians? Maybe the Muslims would develop a better attitude towards us infidels.

What if every Christian stopped the "Aloha Snackbar" jokes and offered a smile or a handshake to a Muslim? What if Mormons, who were once the target of killing, rape and religious persecution, decided to help Muslim refugees get settled in their area?

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... 1?lang=eng

[Silver]

Brandon Smith destroys again the fallacy that the Republican Party, and 99% of its politicians, will do anything good for the common man.

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3216 ... propaganda

The Real Purpose Behind The Russian/Trump Conspiracy Propaganda
Thursday, 22 June 2017 02:02 Brandon Smith


Just after the US presidential election in 2016 I published an article titled 'Order Out Of Chaos: Defeat Of The Left Comes With A Cost', covering a rather difficult subject matter, namely the concept of “4th Generation Warfare” and how it is used by establishment elitists to defeat popular resistance to their agenda of centralization and globalization. 4th Gen tactics are confusing to many because most people think in terms of single movements and direct correlations; they think that a punch thrown is a punch intended to strike, rather than intended as a feint or misdirection.

I'll put it another way – some people play chess and they only see the attack in front of them. Others play chess and they see the attack three moves ahead. 4th gen warfare is a “three steps ahead” style of fighting that focuses on a very specific goal: Tricking the enemy into destroying himself, or enslaving himself, so that you don't have to take any risks by moving against him directly. That is to say, 4th gen warfare is first and foremost about psychology. That which you see with your eyes is usually not what is actually happening.

For example, when predicting the election win of Donald Trump and the passage of Brexit, I based my conclusions on a 4th gen strategy. According to the behavior and rhetoric of globalists and their organizations at the time, it seemed to me that they were allowing sovereignty and conservative movements to gain a foothold in the political arena. They were letting us THINK that we were winning.

This accomplishes a few things – it takes conservatives off their guard and convinces them to think in terms of defending government rather than overthrowing government. The corruption has not changed, but now we have a vested interest in keeping the system going and attempting to change it “from the inside”. I hope it is clear to the majority of liberty activists today that this is a naive notion.

Conservatives are also now willing to argue in favor of the election system, because many of them think that because Donald Trump “won” the system must be at least partially legitimate. News Flash: Our election system has been fraudulent for decades. The only candidates that ever make it past the DNC and the RNC filters are the candidates the elites WANT the public to choose from.

The American public is also now viciously divided over Trump's ascendance to the White House. The political left has been driven to the point of utter insanity, not that they weren't already stark raving mad to begin with. Conservatives are next to be targeted with psychological manipulation, as the leftist zealotry pushes us towards the other end of the spectrum and a potentially dangerous mindset of rationalizing a totalitarian response. Where extreme social divisions exist, civil unrest and war are not far behind.

Finally, the existing economic and social framework of the US in particular has a finite lifespan. Economic instability is rampant as I noted and evidenced in last week's article, and this has been a process ongoing since the initial 2008 credit and derivatives crisis. The old structure of America is being deliberately torn down to make way for a new structure; a single global edifice in which we are not a nation but a feudal vassal with no ideas of sovereign self determination. That said, the old world cannot be torn down outright. The globalists do not plan to take any blame for the crisis that would inevitably follow. Enter Trump, the perfect scapegoat for the next stage of fiscal collapse, and perhaps a pied piper convincing enough to lure numerous conservative groups into taking the blame as well.

Trump, a seeming enemy of the globalist agenda, takes office, then surrounds himself with the same bankers and globalists he admonished during his campaign. He continues his anti-globalist rhetoric, but his actions tend to help them. Conservatives, desperate for a hero on a white horse to ride in and stop the rushing tide of cultural Marxism, were given one...just not in the manner they were hoping for.

In the meantime, the establishment has sought to keep social tensions high. How? The political left has been played like a marionette since the election with a narrative of "Russian conspiracy". You see, hatred is psychologically exhausting. Mobs tend to dissipate and become impotent over time. It is hard to sustain the hatred of a large mass of people without consistent propaganda. Thus, it is important to give people a reason to hate; a reason that fuels perpetual reinforcement. For leftists, the desire to hate Trump runs deep. They think he represents everything that stands in opposition to their ideology, and zealots cannot tolerate the existence of opposing ideals. But there has to be more. The left has to be convinced that Trump is a thief, a thief so heinous that he stole an election with the help of a foreign power.

Now, not only is Trump the anti-christ to leftists, he is also a false president – a pretender to the throne. This narrative is more than enough to keep the left frothing at the mouth for months if not years.

As many analysts have pointed out, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trump “stole” the election, let alone colluded with the Russian government to steal the election. Former FBI director James Comey's recent testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee produced nothing; no memos, no paper trail, zip, zilch. The very existence of the “Comey memos” is likely a farce.

But here is where I break with many in the liberty movement – some analysts assume that Trump is being “targeted” and that the goal is to remove him from the White House. This makes little sense to me. If the elites wanted to stop Trump they would have done it during the RNC selection process just as they did to Ron Paul, and just as the DNC did to Bernie Sanders.

Clearly, Trump is more valuable to them sitting in the Oval Office, as I outlined above. The Russian circus is going nowhere because it was never meant to go anywhere. It is distraction and drama, a soap opera for the ignorant masses. Trump will not be removed from office. If he does end up impeached, the impeachment will fail. As I have said since before the election, the establishment needs Trump as president.

So, if I am correct and the Russian conspiracy narrative is not intended to take Trump down, what is it intended for? As stated earlier, this is 4th gen warfare, and the intended target for propaganda is not always the obvious target.

As noted, Leftists are the initial target. They will continue to believe that Trump is a Russian collaborator because they want to believe it, regardless of how absurd the whole idea is. They will ignore the fact that there is no evidence to support the accusation. They will embrace the propaganda wholeheartedly and develop more violent methods to express their outrage.

The secondary target of the Russian conspiracy manipulation is conservative groups.

Here is the reality of our predicament; the US system is going to move into the next phase of collapse under Trump's watch. Period. The math is undeniable. Every economic indicator except stocks is in severe decline, the Federal Reserve is raising interest rates to deliberately ignite greater instability and time is running out. I believe that this phase will begin before the end of 2017. When the next downturn arrives on the doorstep and in the pocketbooks of the average American, the leftists and most of the world will blame Trump as an “incompetent buffoon” or a “vitriolic fascist”.

Just as the elites need to make Trump and conservatives the best possible scapegoat for the left; they also need a perfect scapegoat for the political right. The narrative will be turned against the leftists and conservatives will exclaim that Trump was not able to reverse economic damages “created by the Obama administration” because leftists used the fake Russian conspiracy as a means to undermine him at every opportunity. Leftists will be labeled economic and political saboteurs, and this accusation will work to a point, because it is partly true.

Finally, as America's decline accelerates, Eastern nations will without a doubt decouple completely from the US dollar as the world reserve currency and begin using the IMF Special Drawing Rights basket structure as a replacement. Russia will most likely lead this charge along with China. Americans will blame Russia in part for the demise of the dollar's buying power around the world. And, the rest of the world will blame the U.S. for the dollar's demise due to U.S. “imperialism” and overt sanctions against Russia. They will say we had it coming.

Perhaps you have noticed a particular pattern here? Every piece of the narrative I have outlined has already been initiated, if perhaps only in early-to-mid stages of development. This is an open dialogue common in the mainstream. And in every case, the offered culprit behind the downfall of America is always someone other than the banking elites. Anyone other than the banking elites.

Leftists and socialists around the globe will blame Trump and conservative principles. Conservatives will blame the left and their obstructions of Trump. The West will blame the East. Globalists will blame “populists” and nationalists, and nationalists will be scrambling to protect their ground by any means necessary, including unconstitutional measures, which will only help the globalists in the long run.

A core catalyst for this geopolitical blame game is the Trump presidency and the use of the Russian conspiracy to ensure that the left remains crazy, inspiring the right towards extreme measures. Again, this is not about removing Trump, it is about manipulating the left; it is about using the Left's cultural Marxism to trigger an iron-fisted reaction from the political right.

In my recent article 'Operation Temperer - U.K. Will Likely Institute Martial Law Measures Within A Year', I warned readers that the UK government has already set in motion martial law measures in response to a growing number of Islamic terrorist attacks. In the US, I think the same march towards totalitarianism will occur, but for reasons beyond foreign terrorism. Economic uncertainty coupled with a volatile left hellbent on supplanting the presidency by any means necessary may very well be exploited by Trump and the elites surrounding him to establish martial law measures in the US. And, I have little doubt that a portion of conservatives will cheer this action.

If this takes place and conservatives come out in majority support, then the globalist use of 4th Gen warfare will have succeeded. They will have won. For if conservatives abandon the constitution, then no one will be left to defend the principles and heritage it represents. We will have destroyed ourselves, and the elites will have barely lifted a finger to make this happen. The game can be changed entirely, but only if we are smart enough to recognize the narrative for what it is, and only if we turn our sights on the globalists instead of hyperfocusing on the scapegoats they offer us.

[freedomforall]

Well, if the Muslims terrorists in this country ever fully take root, then maybe you'll get a chance to experience this right at home.

You're a funny one, FFA. Chances are pretty good I'm one of the best armed people you'll ever meet. Heck, I'm even an NRA certified firearms instructor. I teach the local wardies for free to those who are interested in learning, honing their skills, or obtaining their Concealed Carry permit.

The difference is I hope I NEVER EVER have to use a gun on another human being. Not Muslim, Christian, Satan worshipper, or otherwise. I don't thirst for blood and I would only ever use deadly force if there was absolutely no other alternative to protect my family or other human life.

Please don't mistake respect for human life as cowardice. It is the opposite.

You know, IWrite, I am one of the most "in favor" of having whatever type, style, shape, or Cal weapon a person wants.
I am looking to purchase a Taurus Judge Defender...then I do not have to worry about going to a range frequently to learn how to bring someone down with one shot, the propellants in a .410 shot will do the job for me. I, likewise, do not want to harm anyone, yet, whatever is left of the 2nd Amendment, I do believe in self defense.
Right now, I am more concerned about the growing, Islamic terrorist movement in our country striving to take over America. I am certain you are aware of this issue. Just look at Dearborn, Michigan, look at Youtube videos and see what we're up against....and it is and was perpetrated by Obama, opening the borders for this very purpose. Now we're reaping a whirlwind unless control and removal hamper this situation. Like it or not, bloodshed is prophesied in scripture, some people will stand and fight while others will head for safety.

Therefore, a war over seas has and is nothing new, only different faces and language are involved. Someone has to protect the home front, unless they are not concerned about getting blindsided.

Now, unless some here have been in a foxhole and experienced the gut wrenching fear, as I have, I have no reason to listen to people whose tongue carries a lot of hate, but their minds and body have always been on the home front being oblivious to some of the dangers facing America. Being an expert marksman is not always going to be advantageous unless one wants to be a sniper, in which case, they have to learn to to do more than conceal a weapon.

Sometimes things I say are not that funny at all. But the wearing of blinders is a bad habit to get into.

What's going on in your city?

[freedomforall]

Hey, Silver, remember when you emphatically labeled eddie "my lap-dog?" Did you assume you had a monopoly on intended, but untrue insults? Well, I want you to become acutely aware that the table has turned 180 degrees. So don't you think you need to think before jumping next time? Don't you think that it could cause, self inflicted, epidermal swelling, and we wouldn't want you to lose one moment of raving time?

[iWriteStuff]

You know, IWrite, I am one of the most "in favor" of having whatever type, style, shape, or Cal weapon a person wants.
I am looking to purchase a Taurus Judge Defender...then I do not have to worry about going to a range frequently to learn how to bring someone down with one shot, the propellants in a .410 shot will do the job for me. I, likewise, do not want to harm anyone, yet, whatever is left of the 2nd Amendment, I do believe in self defense.
Right now, I am more concerned about the growing, Islamic terrorist movement in our country striving to take over America. I am certain you are aware of this issue. Just look at Dearborn, Michigan, look at Youtube videos and see what we're up against....and it is and was perpetrated by Obama, opening the borders for this very purpose. Now we're reaping a whirlwind unless control and removal hamper this situation. Like it or not, bloodshed is prophesied in scripture, some people will stand and fight while others will head for safety.

Therefore, a war over seas has and is nothing new, only different faces and language are involved. Someone has to protect the home front, unless they are not concerned about getting blindsided.

Now, unless some here have been in a foxhole and experienced the gut wrenching fear, as I have, I have no reason to listen to people whose tongue carries a lot of hate, but their minds and body have always been on the home front being oblivious to some of the dangers facing America. Being an expert marksman is not always going to be advantageous unless one wants to be a sniper, in which case, they have to learn to to do more than conceal a weapon.

Sometimes things I say are not that funny at all. But the wearing of blinders is a bad habit to get into.

What's going on in your city?

On the Taurus, try it before you buy it. Personally, I recommend carrying/practicing/using whatever you are most comfortable and confident with rather than the biggest spray and pray thundergun you can find. But to each his own. If the Judge just happens to be ideal for you, then fire away! :ymcowboy:

Without getting too specific, I live in a town with more military (current and retired) than any other demographic. This city is built on three military bases, one Academy, and one enormous DoD complex (does that narrow it down?). Half my ward is military, military contractors, or have served overseas. The rest of us are gun totin' conservatives of the patriotic variety. Our hobbies include hunting, shooting, and generally blowing things up. But I haven't met a veteran yet who enjoyed the act of killing or who would relish doing so again. There are far too many PTSD cases in my ward, some of them my close friends. They have served as you described and I haven't met one yet who wants to relive that experience. Do you?

Pursue peace first; war is always a measure of last resort and only in defense. We do not seek a fight.

[Silver]

Hey, Silver, remember when you emphatically labeled eddie "my lap-dog?" Did you assume you had a monopoly on intended, but untrue insults? Well, I want you to become acutely aware that the table has turned 180 degrees. So don't you think you need to think before jumping next time? Don't you think that it could cause, self inflicted, epidermal swelling, and we wouldn't want you to lose one moment of raving time?

"Emphatically," was it? By the way, did you chastise eddie for calling me an idiot? I smiled when I saw that one.

Haven't you noticed though that I reserve the labeling to Trump and his fellow Gadiantons lately?

Either way, you needn't worry. I do plenty of concerned thinking for everyone here. That's why I share valuable information intended to inform them that trusting Trump or his current political party is unwise.

Just wondering when you're going to address the issue of Trump being a murderer rather than directing all your venom at me?

[freedomforall]

Trump Has Discovered Why Deep State Is Desperate To Stop Him

Sean Hannity Exposes Democratic Plan To Overthrow Trump, Army Colonel Confirms Plan, Elite Panic

[Silver]

Well, if the Muslims terrorists in this country ever fully take root, then maybe you'll get a chance to experience this right at home.

You're a funny one, FFA. Chances are pretty good I'm one of the best armed people you'll ever meet. Heck, I'm even an NRA certified firearms instructor. I teach the local wardies for free to those who are interested in learning, honing their skills, or obtaining their Concealed Carry permit.

The difference is I hope I NEVER EVER have to use a gun on another human being. Not Muslim, Christian, Satan worshipper, or otherwise. I don't thirst for blood and I would only ever use deadly force if there was absolutely no other alternative to protect my family or other human life.

Please don't mistake respect for human life as cowardice. It is the opposite.

You know, IWrite, I am one of the most "in favor" of having whatever type, style, shape, or Cal weapon a person wants.
I am looking to purchase a Taurus Judge Defender...then I do not have to worry about going to a range frequently to learn how to bring someone down with one shot, the propellants in a .410 shot will do the job for me. I, likewise, do not want to harm anyone, yet, whatever is left of the 2nd Amendment, I do believe in self defense.
Right now, I am more concerned about the growing, Islamic terrorist movement in our country striving to take over America. I am certain you are aware of this issue. Just look at Dearborn, Michigan, look at Youtube videos and see what we're up against....and it is and was perpetrated by Obama, opening the borders for this very purpose. Now we're reaping a whirlwind unless control and removal hamper this situation. Like it or not, bloodshed is prophesied in scripture, some people will stand and fight while others will head for safety.

Therefore, a war over seas has and is nothing new, only different faces and language are involved. Someone has to protect the home front, unless they are not concerned about getting blindsided.

Now, unless some here have been in a foxhole and experienced the gut wrenching fear, as I have, I have no reason to listen to people whose tongue carries a lot of hate, but their minds and body have always been on the home front being oblivious to some of the dangers facing America. Being an expert marksman is not always going to be advantageous unless one wants to be a sniper, in which case, they have to learn to to do more than conceal a weapon.

You're wrong again, FFA. Just plain wrong. Instead of YouTube videos filled with hate, I recommend facts.
Here's the website for Dearborn's elected officials: http://www.cityofdearborn.org/governmen ... -officials
Does that look like Sharia law about to take over?

One more time, and hopefully you'll comprehend this time, if the sadistic Christians in this country would stop bombing Muslim-majority countries, perhaps the blowback you fear would go away.

Protecting the home front can start with not instigating fights in the first place. We are experiencing blowback. Ron Paul warned us about it. The Gadiantons, Trump and those before him, ignore sound advice. The American people will pay for allowing our crooked politicians, including Trump, to continue to stir a hornet's nest.

Absolutely wrong to say that just because someone is here they are oblivious to danger. Trump never served overseas in the military. Oops. You might want to rethink that one.

[freedomforall]

President Trump Annihilates Democrats Again As “Deep State” Clinton Mole Uncovered

[eddie]

Well, if the Muslims terrorists in this country ever fully take root, then maybe you'll get a chance to experience this right at home.

You're a funny one, FFA. Chances are pretty good I'm one of the best armed people you'll ever meet. Heck, I'm even an NRA certified firearms instructor. I teach the local wardies for free to those who are interested in learning, honing their skills, or obtaining their Concealed Carry permit.

The difference is I hope I NEVER EVER have to use a gun on another human being. Not Muslim, Christian, Satan worshipper, or otherwise. I don't thirst for blood and I would only ever use deadly force if there was absolutely no other alternative to protect my family or other human life.

Please don't mistake respect for human life as cowardice. It is the opposite.

My favorite gun safety tip, carry one.

That's impressive I write, and someone said you were a sissy.. You should read " On Killing."

FFA is a Marine who fought in the Vietnam Nam war,
thank you to all the veterans who have fought for our country. It is not a sin if you kill someone during wartime, look it up silver. I'm going to Dead Lobster for lunch, and guess who's going to kill it, me. Then I'm going to eat it, dipped in butter, baked potato, biscuits, I'm starting to drool, gotta go...

[Silver]

eddie, your claim about killing during war and sin is demonstrably false. Why does the the term war criminal exist? That said, I have never accused front line troops of being murderers. That honor belongs to the Donald Trumps of the world.

[eddie]

eddie, your claim about killing during war and sin is demonstrably false. Why does the the term war criminal exist? That said, I have never accused front line troops of being murderers. That honor belongs to the Donald Trumps of the world.

Man, you like to twist things...

[freedomforall]

I haven't met one yet who wants to relive that experience. Do you?

Absolutely not. Nevertheless, we must face the fact that this country is in dire trouble. And if everyone runs from protecting her, the Gads (those of all kinds of people and groups out to take down America), left, lovers of NWO...will have won...and I hate this possible outcome even more.

Give me liberty, or give me death..........
Patrick Henry


D&C 98
5 And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
7 And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.
8 I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.
9 Nevertheless, when the wicked rule the people mourn.


So...how do we befriend the Constitution and not stand up to tyranny and the loss of freedom and liberty. Would God be pleased to see apathy and complacence rule church members and others concerned about the destruction of our Republic?

Read Conference report, April, 1965...pages 122-125...Elder Ezra Taft Benson---
Warnings of threats to freedom https://archive.org/stream/conferencere ... +the+devil

[freedomforall]

eddie, your claim about killing during war and sin is demonstrably false. Why does the the term war criminal exist? That said, I have never accused front line troops of being murderers. That honor belongs to the Donald Trumps of the world.

Man, you like to twist things...

It appears to come naturally. How else can he stay on top of his game?

[freedomforall]

eddie, your claim about killing during war and sin is demonstrably false. Why does the the term war criminal exist? That said, I have never accused front line troops of being murderers. That honor belongs to the Donald Trumps of the world.

In Vietnam there was no front line. We also had to look to the rear.

And where is your sources pertaining to killing of others is sinful during war? If this were true, Moroni, to name one, would have been in lot of trouble with God. How many Saints went to war during WWII, Civil war, WWI etc.? How many were excommunicated for defending our country, sending many people to their maker?

When are you going to think outside your own little box?

"demonstrably false", ya, right!

[freedomforall]

Who can name one Constitutional POTUS since Reagan?

:-w

[iWriteStuff]

Who can name one Constitutional POTUS since Reagan?

:-w

I think you have to go back a lot further than Reagan to find a Constitutional POTUS. Iran Contra anyone? Invasion of Grenada? Funding of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan via CIA training and weapons for Osama and pals? His programs single handedly gave birth to the terrorist organizations we're fighting now! Or how about deficit spending to the moon in order to "stimulate the economy"? He is not the hero of Conservative ideals you make him out to be.

Reagan's fans argue that he has changed the terms of public-policy debate, that no one today dares propose big spending programs. I contend that the alleged spending-shyness of politicians is not the result of an ideological sea-change, but rather of their constituents' fiscal fright brought about by $250 billion Reagan budget deficits. If the deficit ever shrinks, the demand for spending will resume.

This is the Reagan legacy. He was to be the man who would turn things around. But he didn't even try. As he so dramatically illustrated when he accepted the plant-closing bill, there has been no sea-change in thinking about the role of government.

https://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0

I mean hey, most Republicans are anti-illegal immigrant now but tout Reagan when it was Reagan himself who granted amnesty to over 3.2 million undocumented workers. If Trump did that, you'd reject him in a heartbeat.

But perhaps you could explain better what you mean by "Constitutional POTUS". Frankly, I don't think Reagan is your guy.

[Silver]

eddie, your claim about killing during war and sin is demonstrably false. Why does the the term war criminal exist? That said, I have never accused front line troops of being murderers. That honor belongs to the Donald Trumps of the world.

In Vietnam there was no front line. We also had to look to the rear.

And where is your sources pertaining to killing of others is sinful during war? If this were true, Moroni, to name one, would have been in lot of trouble with God. How many Saints went to war during WWII, Civil war, WWI etc.? How many were excommunicated for defending our country, sending many people to their maker?

When are you going to think outside your own little box?

"demonstrably false", ya, right!

You guys don't even make sense. I said that the troops are not the ones at fault. It is their leaders.

[Mark]

FFA, if only Trump would keep his campaign promises and stop bombing majority-Muslim countries....

Wouldn't it be interesting if the Christians acted like Christians? Maybe the Muslims would develop a better attitude towards us infidels.

What if every Christian stopped the "Aloha Snackbar" jokes and offered a smile or a handshake to a Muslim? What if Mormons, who were once the target of killing, rape and religious persecution, decided to help Muslim refugees get settled in their area?

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... 1?lang=eng

Do you even understand The most basic principles of Jihad Silver? You are dragging a red herring all over the road here by associating and comparing innocent Muslim refugees who have been displaced because of war and conflict with hard core Jihadists who have sworn a solemn oath to kill all infidels in the name of "Allah" who do not agree with their twisted world and religious views. These Jihadists of which there are millions upon millions are not looking for a smile and a handshake. =; They want to spread death and destruction over all the globe in the name of their sick and twisted religious beliefs and their false God. They serve Satan their master in their desire to rule with blood and horror over all the earth. They teach their young to hate and despise Jews and Christians. There is no negotiation with them when it comes to their jihadist desires. Wake up and smell the postum.

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FFA, if only Trump would keep his campaign promises and stop bombing majority-Muslim countries....

Wouldn't it be interesting if the Christians acted like Christians? Maybe the Muslims would develop a better attitude towards us infidels.

What if every Christian stopped the "Aloha Snackbar" jokes and offered a smile or a handshake to a Muslim? What if Mormons, who were once the target of killing, rape and religious persecution, decided to help Muslim refugees get settled in their area?

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... 1?lang=eng

Do you even understand The most basic principles of Jihad Silver? You are dragging a red herring all over the road here by associating and comparing innocent Muslim refugees who have been displaced because of war and conflict with hard core Jihadists who have sworn a solemn oath to kill all infidels in the name of "Allah" who do not agree with their twisted world and religious views. These Jihadists of which there are millions upon millions are not looking for a smile and a handshake. =; They want to spread death and destruction over all the globe in the name of their sick and twisted religious beliefs and their false God. They serve Satan their master in their desire to rule with blood and horror over all the earth. They teach their young to hate and despise Jews and Christians. There is no negotiation with them when it comes to their jihadist desires. Wake up and smell the postum.

I'll gladly wake up, Mark, if you stop bombing their homelands first. Deal?

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Day after day more and more evidence of American ill-doing in the Middle East emerges. It is a continuation of the policies of Bush and Obama and a clear indication that Trump and his merry band of Gadiantons are not going to extract us from the death trap we're in. Trump is murdering via the use of the US military and by proxy with "moderate" (that's a lie; there's video of those sick people eating raw internal organs of their victims) rebels and Saudis, etc. How do you know when Marmalade is lying? When his lips are moving.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/us-sinks-de ... es-weapons

U.S. Sinks Deeper into Syrian Civil War, Gulf Feud Starting to Shift Qatari Policy, U.S. Resumes Weapons Deliveries to Saudi Arabia

By J. Dana Stuster Tuesday, June 20, 2017, 4:00 PM

United States Slides Deeper into Syrian Civil War

The escalation between U.S. and Iranian-backed Assad regime forces in southeastern Syria tipped further into direct confrontation this week. After recent skirmishes between U.S. and regime forces near al-Tanf, on the Syria-Jordan border, U.S. troops deployed HIMARS missile trucks last week, but the heavy weapons did not deter further encroachment by regime forces. On Sunday, a U.S. F/A-18 intercepted and shot down a Syrian Su-22 bomber after it carried out an attack near U.S.-backed forces near Tabqa, west of Raqqa. It is at least the third incident in which the United States has targeted Assad regime forces this month.

The Assad regime’s chief patrons, Iran and Russia, are stepping up efforts to project force in eastern Syria. Also on Sunday, Iran launched a barrage of surface-to-surface missiles at Islamic State targets in Deir Ezzour; the strikes were nominally a retaliation for the Islamic State’s terrorist attacks in Tehran, but were also a clear demonstration of its missiles’ reach into contested areas. And on Monday, Russia leapt to the Assad regime’s defense and warned that it will target any U.S. or coalition warplane that crosses west of the Euphrates River.

By J. Dana Stuster Tuesday, June 20, 2017, 4:00 PM
Omphalos: Middle East Conflict in Perspective
United States Slides Deeper into Syrian Civil War

The escalation between U.S. and Iranian-backed Assad regime forces in southeastern Syria tipped further into direct confrontation this week. After recent skirmishes between U.S. and regime forces near al-Tanf, on the Syria-Jordan border, U.S. troops deployed HIMARS missile trucks last week, but the heavy weapons did not deter further encroachment by regime forces. On Sunday, a U.S. F/A-18 intercepted and shot down a Syrian Su-22 bomber after it carried out an attack near U.S.-backed forces near Tabqa, west of Raqqa. It is at least the third incident in which the United States has targeted Assad regime forces this month.

The United States appears to be sinking deeper into the quagmire of Syria’s civil war without a strategy or clear objectives. That’s a terrifying prospect only made worse by a report from Foreign Policy that the strategy-deficient drift into war is being pushed by two Trump administration NSC staffers despite the objections of defense planners. The United States also has no legal framework for sustained combat against the Assad regime except in cases of self-defense—unless you accept Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford’s strained explanation that the Sunday incident was covered by the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force. On Lawfare this morning, Robert Chesney argues that just doesn’t work: “But even if we accept that this indirect belligerency really should count for purposes of the statutory analysis, the important consideration here is that the Syrian government could not plausibly be depicted as ‘associated’ with al Qaeda. The associated forces option has no application here.”

The Assad regime’s chief patrons, Iran and Russia, are stepping up efforts to project force in eastern Syria. Also on Sunday, Iran launched a barrage of surface-to-surface missiles at Islamic State targets in Deir Ezzour; the strikes were nominally a retaliation for the Islamic State’s terrorist attacks in Tehran, but were also a clear demonstration of its missiles’ reach into contested areas. And on Monday, Russia leapt to the Assad regime’s defense and warned that it will target any U.S. or coalition warplane that crosses west of the Euphrates River.

The Assad regime’s chief patrons, Iran and Russia, are stepping up efforts to project force in eastern Syria.
The potential for conflict is not limited to concerns about Iran and the Assad regime’s role in eastern Syria. As BuzzFeed reported this past week, Turkey is also watching developments around Raqqa warily and considering intervening to address what it sees as undue Kurdish influence. “I can say that Turkey has its military operation options on table,” one Turkish policy expert told BuzzFeed. Ankara wants to prevent the formation of an independent Kurdish state, but its chance to act may have already closed. The largely Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces are pushing into Raqqa and face few threats in northeastern Syria; across the border in Iraq, Kurdistan Regional Government President Masoud Barzani is moving ahead with plans for a referendum on Kurdish independence from Iraq to be held on September 25. “[F]or a long time I have held the belief that Baghdad is not accepting real, meaningful partnership with us,” Barzani told Foreign Policy. “I want to die in the shadow of the that flag of an independent Kurdistan.”



Qatar Feud Continues in Wall Street Journal Editorial Pages

The Saudi-backed isolation policy targeting Qatar entered full effect over the weekend, marking the latest escalation in the ongoing Gulf feud. While Saudi Arabia and several of its partners have established an embargo of the country, the policy now also requires citizens of Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain to return to their countries, even in instances in which they are married to Qatari citizens. Despite Qatar’s best efforts to build up its resilience to the Gulf’s policy, the isolation is beginning to bend Qatar’s independent foreign policy toward the Gulf mainstream: The Los Angeles Times reports that “Qatari support [for Hamas] has wavered as the tiny Persian Gulf emirate came under political and economic pressure from Arab neighbors” and Hamas officials are looking for refuge elsewhere. Syrian rebel groups are also concerned that the feud could exacerbate divisions within the already fractious rebel community.

There’s still no sign of a swift resolution to the crisis, but there’s also no indication of tensions boiling over into overt conflict. Emirati Foreign Affairs Minister Anwar Gargash said this past week that the isolation policy could remain in place for “years,” and Qatari officials say they won’t negotiate until the policy is eased. “Hopefully, this dispute will soon prove to have been little more than a tempest in a teapot,” International Crisis Group’s Joost Hiltermann wrote for the New York Times, while warning that “the teapot happens to be the Gulf...where one false move, one miscommunication, one misread signal could set in motion unstoppable forces.”

The latest and most improbable theater in which the Gulf feud is being fought is the Wall Street Journal opinion page. On June 13, Emirati Ambassador to the United States Yousef Al Otaiba published an editorial condemning Qatar and laying out the Gulf’s argument—or at least the version of it tailored to a Washington audience. Qatar is playing a double game, Otaiba argues, drawing money from investments in the United States and funneling a portion of that to extremists, including those linked to al-Qaeda. The editorial also takes aim at Al Jazeera, which Otaiba accuses of providing a platform to and colluding with terrorist organizations. And he was able to selectively draw from the Trump administration’s mixed messages for support for the Gulf’s policies. “President Trump said it well on Friday: ‘the time had come to call on Qatar to end its funding [of extremism]. . . . For Qatar, we want you back among the unity of responsible nations,’” he wrote in the Journal.

The Qatari ambassador responded on June 18, writing that Qatar is “‘all in’ in the fight against terrorism” and pointing to the number of terrorists that have sprung from the Emirates and Saudi Arabia. He went further, noting that, despite the Gulf’s concerns about foreign meddling, it was the Emirates and Saudi Arabia that supported the coup that ousted President Mohamed Morsi in Egypt, and even accused them of supporting last July’s coup attempt against Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. (It’s the first I’ve heard of the accusation, and Turkey has placed the blame squarely on the supporters of Fethullah Gulen, Erdogan’s one-time Islamist partner who is living in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania.) “It has become clear that the current campaign against Qatar is not about terrorism, Al Jazeera or any of the other issues highlighted by the boycotting nations,” Ambassador Sheikh Meshal bin Hamad al-Thani wrote. “It is about Qatar’s independence, which some apparently view as a threat.”

The Trump administration is still grappling with its schizophrenic response to the Gulf crisis; while Trump has openly supported the Saudis’ hard line, the administration agreed last week to sell Qatar as many as 36 F-15 jets. Brookings’ Daniel Byman and Will McCants wrote for The Atlantic last week on the hazards of the United States weighing in forcefully on one side or the other. They argue that “picking sides in a dispute like this one risks jeopardizing cooperation with some states by condoning the nefarious activities of others—all for little gain.” Qatar does not have perfect track records on extremism but neither do the Gulf states that are campaigning against it, and all are playing important roles in U.S. counterterrorism efforts. “As long as the United States wants to provide security for the Arab Gulf nations and fight terrorism, it cannot afford to pick sides in a destabilizing fraternal squabble,” they wrote. “That would undermine the very purpose of U.S. involvement in the first place, and risk incurring disaster.”

By U.S. standards, Saudi Arabia conflates terrorism with free political expression while still providing a platform for clerics advocating violence and intolerance.

Byman and McCants make a good point. Another, less discussed reason the United States should be wary of intervening in the feud on Saudi Arabia’s behalf is that the crisis makes plain the differences between the U.S. and Saudi definitions of terrorism. Saudi Arabia is targeting Qatar largely for its support of the Muslim Brotherhood and other political Islamist groups that the Arab monarchies and autocracies perceive as a threat to their authority. The United States has designated some Brotherhood groups as terrorists, like Hamas (a point Otaiba is eager to make in his editorial), but not others, like the Brotherhood’s affiliates in Egypt, Yemen, or Tunisia. In fact, the United States has repeatedly considered and declined to designate the Brotherhood writ large as a terrorist group (Lawfare published several articles on the subject just a few months back); many of the affiliates do not fit the U.S. definition of terrorism and even include politicians that the United States has worked with in some contexts. By U.S. standards, Saudi Arabia conflates terrorism with free political expression while still providing a platform for clerics advocating violence and intolerance. This is all the more insidious in the context of the Gulf’s targeting of Qatari media like Al Jazeera. Several Al Jazeera bureaus in the Middle East have been forced to close since the start of the crisis; the result is an unmistakable chilling of what little free media exists in the region. If the United States took the Saudi line against Qatar, it would further close the already narrowing window for peaceful political expression in the Middle East. That’s a path that could easily lead to more terrorism, not less.

U.S. to Resume Weapons Deliveries to Saudi Arabia as Yemen Collapses Further

The United States will resume the delivery of precision-guided weapons sold to Saudi Arabia in a 2015 weapons deal. The Trump administration notified Congress that it would lift a halt the Obama administration placed on fulfilling the agreement last year in response to concerns about high numbers of civilian casualties in Saudi Arabia’s air campaign in Yemen. More weapons are also on the way: Last week, the U.S. Senate narrowly approved the sale of $510 million in new weapons systems, part of the package of arms sales signed during President Trump’s recent visit to the Riyadh. Though new arms sales are going through and the United States is providing bombs to Saudi Arabia again, the civilian casualties that prompted the freeze continue. On Sunday, Houthi officials said that 25 people were killed when Saudi warplanes bombed a marketplace in Yemen’s Saada province.

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Yeah, there are a lot of refugees, because the US turned them into refugees. I wonder if they'd all leave their respective countries if we stopped bombing them.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/un-top-na ... on/229136/

UN Report Reveals 3 Nations Producing Most Refugees Were Targets Of US Intervention

A UN report has shown that more than 65 million people were forced to leave their home countries last year, becoming refugees due to deadly conflict. The top nations from which refugees fled have one thing in common, they were all targets of US intervention.

By Whitney Webb | Follow on Facebook | | June 22, 2017

CHILE– A United Nations report has shed light on the world’s burgeoning crisis of displaced peoples, finding that a record 65.6 million were forced to vacate their homes in 2016 alone. More than half of them were minors.

The Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), which drafted the report, put the figure into perspective, stating that increasing conflict and persecution worldwide have led to “one person being displaced every three seconds – less than the time it takes to read this sentence.”

UN High Commissioner Filippo Grandi called the figure “unacceptable” and called for “solidarity and a common purpose in preventing and resolving the crisis.”

However, what the UN report failed to mention was the role of U.S. foreign intervention, indirect or direct, in fomenting the conflicts responsible for producing most of the world’s refugees.

According to the report, three of the nations producing the highest number of refugees are Syria (12 million refugees created in 2016), Afghanistan (4.7 million) and Iraq (4.2 million).

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The drug convinces the patient that Trump has been
Impeached, thus calming their fears and nervous twitch.

The drug is not for everyone, depression and spontaneous bowel movements have been experienced by some patients.

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