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AI2.0
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Finrock wrote: May 31st, 2017, 9:50 am This is a bit off topic, but AI2.0 mentioned Obamacare and Obamacare replacement, so I wanted to speak to that thought real quick because, well, just because...

A federal health care system should not exist. There should be no such thing as "repeal and replace". It should be repeal only. Obamacare was wrong. It was wrong and it was a horrible bill, but it didn't matter. It was never intended to succeed. It was intended to set precedent and to change the paradigm and the public expectation on health insurance and healthcare. The precedent it set is wrong, but it did its job. No matter what happens now it is now clear that the Federal Government can mandate health insurance. It can provide healthcare to its citizens and with millions of enrollees, millions of individuals now expect and will demand their entitlement.

That is why the left and the democrats pushed it through. That is why they didn't care what was in the plan and we should just "figure it out" after it passed. That is why it was forced through in an unprecedented fashion because they didn't care if it worked or not. They just wanted on the books, so to speak and they wanted to get millions to enroll. Once you had the law in place, once millions were enrolled in it, and once it passed the courts (right or wrong, it passed) it made an almost permanent change to the United States.

It is what it is, but it is wrong and it should be repealed, but we are now in a new era of American History, I'm afraid.

-Finrock
Thanks for sharing your thoughts; Excellent summary of this.:)

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Another broken promise...color me surprised. Not.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... 8S5MK?il=0

WORLD NEWS | Thu Jun 1, 2017 | 11:19am EDT
Israel disappointed at Trump's decision not to move U.S. embassy

Israel on Thursday expressed disappointment at the decision of U.S. President Donald Trump to sign a waiver to delay relocating the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv but said it hoped a move could take place later.

"Though Israel is disappointed that the embassy will not move at this time, we appreciate today's expression of President Trump’s friendship to Israel and his commitment to moving the embassy in the future," part of a statement from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said.

It added that: "Israel's consistent position is that the American embassy, like the embassies of all countries with whom we have diplomatic relations, should be in Jerusalem, our eternal capital."

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AI2.0 wrote: June 1st, 2017, 9:20 am
eddie wrote: May 31st, 2017, 10:23 am
AI2.0 wrote: May 31st, 2017, 9:12 am
eddie wrote: May 30th, 2017, 5:09 pm Marlins_Man‏


I want President Donald Trump to SUCCEED. rooting for him to fail is like rooting for the pilot of your plane to crash. Stop being divided,
its in all our best interests for him to succeed.
As long as the Nation is in turmoil, we will be divided. The Obama supporters could have said the SAME thing to you, to stop being 'divided' and get behind the President so he could succeed...and guess what? They did!



It's only in our best interest for Pres. Trump to succeed, when he is doing what is right for the country. The replacement for Obamacare was not right, I'm glad it did not succeed. The one they are pushing now is not right, I hope it does not succeed. A bloated trillion dollar budget which the Pres. supports is not right, We should not be wanting it to succeed. If he decides to promote climate change initiatives that the rest of the world wants, we should not hope he succeeds.

Just as we hoped that Pres. Obama would not succeed in his wrong ideas and policies, we need to not blindly support everything Pres. Trump promotes. You need to remember that Donald Trump has not changed; he has conservative leanings in some areas and in other areas he is progressive in his views and values. He likes single payer, universal healthcare, so if you don't want that, you'd better hope he doesn't decide that's what the country needs. Root for him and support him when he's choosing the 'right' but oppose him when he's going to the left. Don't simply be a zealous cheerleader for whatever he decides to promote and try to implement.


Your comments are always barbed A12.0

A zealous cheerleader? Then what would we say about those who constantly berate the President? I have my fears concerning President Trump, but I will respond with my own opinion, stating yours as though we should all agree is ignorant. Assuming to have a superior intellect, calling others blind is just an indication of the superiority complex. President Trump has a vested interest in America, I am rooting for him to succeed! I wanted President Obama to succeed, I gave him more than 100 days to prove himself, its only fair to give President Trump a chance.
I didn't mean it to be barbed. I don't like the constant berating of the President either. I don't like the name calling and ridicule of him, I think it's immature and shows disrespect for the office of the President, which wasn't such a big problem as it seems to be now, but adults are more childish these days, it seems. But, I also don't like the zealous cheerleading of those who refuse to see any problems with him--they did this before the election and some are STILL at it in refusing to admit that the President has made some questionable calls and decisions. I don't like either extreme.
Thanks for the comment. I suppose being zealous is not a compromise depending on the subject. I am zealous for the Gospel of Jesus Christ, for a living Prophet and Apostles, sure they are morals and make mistakes occasionally, but nothing will change my mind as to the truthfulness of the restored gospel upon the earth today. I am also zealous about Joseph Smith being a Prophet, I don't care if he made mistakes, doesn't matter in my eyes. I'm certainly not perfect!



I am not comparing President Trump with a Prophet or the gospel, but I don't condemn anyone, its not the Lord's way. I have a feeling some of these people will be unhappy with the way the Millennium is organized, under the direction of Jesus Christ. #-o

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Ezra wrote: June 1st, 2017, 9:14 am
eddie wrote: June 1st, 2017, 8:41 am
Silver wrote: May 31st, 2017, 9:10 pm
eddie wrote: May 31st, 2017, 5:35 pm

Extreme! Give it a rest, all the hate and venom spew does not convince anyone.
No man is so blind as he who will not see.

Why don't blind people skydive? It scares the heck out of the dog.

What do you call a Blind German? a Not see.

Chuck Norris has brail on his boots so even blind people know when he's coming. .
You might have bigger problems if you think those are funny jokes.
I do think they are funny in light of Silver's reply. :)) Look in the mirror Ezra, perhaps you have bigger problems, we are all flawed.

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eddie wrote: June 1st, 2017, 10:50 am
Ezra wrote: June 1st, 2017, 9:14 am
eddie wrote: June 1st, 2017, 8:41 am
Silver wrote: May 31st, 2017, 9:10 pm

No man is so blind as he who will not see.

Why don't blind people skydive? It scares the heck out of the dog.

What do you call a Blind German? a Not see.

Chuck Norris has brail on his boots so even blind people know when he's coming. .
You might have bigger problems if you think those are funny jokes.
I do think they are funny in light of Silver's reply. :)) Look in the mirror Ezra, perhaps you have bigger problems, we are all flawed.
eddie, why, seriously, why can't you allow yourself to admit that Trump has killed innocent people, just like Hillary would have done?

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Irrelevant wrote: May 31st, 2017, 7:30 pm
Finrock wrote: May 31st, 2017, 9:57 am
Irrelevant wrote: May 31st, 2017, 7:38 am
eddie wrote: May 30th, 2017, 5:09 pm Marlins_Man‏


I want President Donald Trump to SUCCEED. rooting for him to fail is like rooting for the pilot of your plane to crash. Stop being divided,
its in all our best interests for him to succeed.
Succeed in doing what, exactly?
Succeed at winning.

-Finrock
Ha ha. Nice. Which means...?
...nothing. It was just a joke! ;)

-Finrock

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eddie wrote: June 1st, 2017, 10:50 am
Ezra wrote: June 1st, 2017, 9:14 am
eddie wrote: June 1st, 2017, 8:41 am
Silver wrote: May 31st, 2017, 9:10 pm

No man is so blind as he who will not see.

Why don't blind people skydive? It scares the heck out of the dog.

What do you call a Blind German? a Not see.

Chuck Norris has brail on his boots so even blind people know when he's coming. .
You might have bigger problems if you think those are funny jokes.
I do think they are funny in light of Silver's reply. :)) Look in the mirror Ezra, perhaps you have bigger problems, we are all flawed.
Flawed??? Except trumps politics right. Which is what you have been saying.

No one is saying we are not flawed. I have no problem with admitting when someone does good things. I have no problem admitting when they do wrong things. It's way easyer to see others problems over our own. Knowing that we need to be very open to others opinions of our faults so that we can address them without becoming upset or offended.

When other don't recognize blatant faults it tends to make people continue to try to explain them in further details.

I have tryed to explain your faults in supporting the sins trump has committed. Tryed to explain that we have scripture and prophets that also have given us guidance or commandments that are in complete opposition to trumps politics and wars. You have refused to answer or respond. With no defense yet continue in your stance of supporting those policies and actions. To which others have joined in to try to help you understand.

You will always find support by others who ignore scriptures and prophets as you have.

God simply doesn't justify these wars or the degrading of the constitution that is happening under trump. You will be judged for your support in those atrocities.

There is nothing wrong with supporting the good thing a president does and not supporting the bad things and speaking out against them.

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I would enjoy a thread or two where the merits of Trumps policies were debated without any name calling or character assassination.

Silver brings up some valid issues that need to be discussed, but the constant resorting to name calling and personal ridicule make it nearly impossible to do so.

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What's happening can also include what's not happening, as in an action by Trump regarding this 2nd amendment issue.

http://social.bluehornet.com/hostedemai ... hema=echo3

From: Rand Paul
Date sent 06/01/2017 09:06:04 am
Subject: Obama’s Gun Control Crown Jewel




Dear Fellow Patriot,

Every day that goes by without an announcement from the Trump administration is only emboldening anti-gun statists at the United Nations.

They know that one simple Executive Action from Donald Trump's administration -- announcing that the U.S. will no longer support their global gun ban -- could crush their goal of imposing the U.N.'s so-called "Small Arms Treaty" in the United States . . .

But the questions remain: Will he do it? And why hasn't he yet?

Are anti-gun New York advisors in his administration in Washington, D.C. trying to convince him to leave the Treaty untouched for "security?"

Fellow Patriot, with the stakes so high, you and I can't take anything for granted.

That's why it's absolutely critical you fill out and sign the Official Firearms Sovereignty Survey that I'll link you to in a moment!

As I'll explain shortly, the longer the Trump administration sits on its hands, the more dangerous our situation becomes . . .

And should this scheme ever be imposed in the United States, it would be nothing short of a global gun control DISASTER.

After reading through the details of the Treaty, it's hard to see how our Second Amendment could survive such an assault.

Perhaps the worst of the Treaty's provisions can be found in Article V, which mandates countries establish a "National Control List" -- or a NATIONAL GUN REGISTRATION database!

You and I both know gun registration is just the first step toward outright CONFISCATION.

And the U.N. is already plotting their next step -- developing new "International Small Arms Control Standards" (ISACS).

Their goal is to impose these radical anti-gun initiatives on every nation who signs the U.N. "Small Arms Treaty." Introductory language already includes:
*** Mandated national "screening" for all persons seeking to own guns, giving bureaucrats the final say on whether or not you're "competent" enough to own a gun;

*** Restrictive licensing for gun and ammo sales, and perhaps even bans on certain types of firearms. This could include anything from semi-auto rifles to shotguns to handguns!

*** Restrictions on the number of guns and amount of ammo any "properly-licensed" individual may legally own;

*** Bans on magazines holding more than ten rounds;

*** Bans on owning a firearm for self-defense -- unless a citizen can somehow demonstrate need and get federal government approval.

To date, 89 nations have ratified the Treaty. Another 130 -- including the United States -- have signed on signaling conceptual support.

Now, Treaty advocates are bragging the U.S. will ultimately be FORCED to comply with terms of the Treaty "because of peer pressure but also market pressure."

As one anti-gun country's foreign minister stated:

"[W]e expect the U.S. to abide by the Treaty even if ratification will take some time."

That's why it's so critical that the Trump administration acts now to end all U.S. support for this Treaty.

The longer the United States remains a signatory to this Treaty, the more likely it is that these anti-gun statists will be right.

As the largest economy and number-one market in the world, the United States can make or break the U.N.'s "Small Arms Treaty."

On one hand, should Mr. Trump announce the U.S. no longer supports the Treaty, it could light the fuse that ultimately blows this scheme up worldwide.

But on the other hand, continued U.S. support for the scheme -- intentionally playing into the hands of gun control advocates or not -- will only allow Treaty specifications to become more entrenched and far more difficult to get rid of down the line.

And ultimately, law-abiding gun owners like you and me will pay the price with our freedom.

That's why your action is so critical to break through President Trump's wall of advisors and ensure he hears the voices of Second Amendment supporters all over the country.

Many of those advisors (some with strongly anti-gun views) are taking every opportunity not to "rock the boat" on any issue –- including the U.N.'s "Small Arms Treaty."

Many are even pushing the United Nations' lie -- straight from their Office of Disarmament Affairs -- that this Treaty is really about combating, "insurgents, armed gang members, pirates, [and] terrorists!"

For the sake of freedom's survival, it's a brazen lie you and I cannot allow to go unanswered.

That's why I was so excited to see the National Association for Gun Rights leading the fight to urge the Trump administration to remove the U.S. as a signer to the U.N.'s so-called "Small Arms Treaty!"

Their efforts over the past few years have stymied the gun control crowd every time they've sought to ram some radical scheme through Congress.

But the National Association for Gun Rights depends on the action and support of good folks like you for their effectiveness.

So your action is absolutely critical to ensuring the voices of Second Amendment supporters all over the country are heard.
1. Do you believe the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment are the supreme law of the land?

2. Do you believe any attempt by the United Nations to subvert or supersede your Constitutional rights must be opposed?

If you said "Yes!" to these questions, please fill out and sign the survey the National Association for Gun Rights has prepared for you.

With your help, the National Association for Gun Rights will continue to mobilize grassroots support insisting the Trump administration removes all U.S. support for the "Small Arms Treaty."

If they have to, they're prepared to launch a grassroots firestorm, including everything from U.S. mail, to phones, email, blogs and guest editorials -- and even paid media if necessary.

All of this will take money, but we have to break through Washington, D.C.'s growing cocoon around our new President and ensure he understands the U.N. "Small Arms Treaty" threat must be killed NOW -- before it's too late.

So along with your survey, please agree to make a generous contribution of $250, $100, $50 or even just $35.

Every dollar counts in this fight, so even if you can only chip in $20, it will make a difference.

Thank you in advance for your time and money devoted to defending our Second Amendment rights.

For Freedom,

Rand Paul
United States Senator (R-KY)

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Ezra wrote: June 1st, 2017, 11:58 am
eddie wrote: June 1st, 2017, 10:50 am
Ezra wrote: June 1st, 2017, 9:14 am
eddie wrote: June 1st, 2017, 8:41 am


Why don't blind people skydive? It scares the heck out of the dog.

What do you call a Blind German? a Not see.

Chuck Norris has brail on his boots so even blind people know when he's coming. .
You might have bigger problems if you think those are funny jokes.
I do think they are funny in light of Silver's reply. :)) Look in the mirror Ezra, perhaps you have bigger problems, we are all flawed.
Flawed??? Except trumps politics right. Which is what you have been saying.

No one is saying we are not flawed. I have no problem with admitting when someone does good things. I have no problem admitting when they do wrong things. It's way easyer to see others problems over our own. Knowing that we need to be very open to others opinions of our faults so that we can address them without becoming upset or offended.

When other don't recognize blatant faults it tends to make people continue to try to explain them in further details.

I have tryed to explain your faults in supporting the sins trump has committed. Tryed to explain that we have scripture and prophets that also have given us guidance or commandments that are in complete opposition to trumps politics and wars. You have refused to answer or respond. With no defense yet continue in your stance of supporting those policies and actions. To which others have joined in to try to help you understand.

You will always find support by others who ignore scriptures and prophets as you have.

God simply doesn't justify these wars or the degrading of the constitution that is happening under trump. You will be judged for your support in those atrocities.

There is nothing wrong with supporting the good thing a president does and not supporting the bad things and speaking out against them.
Silver, did I just get spanked again? I'm starting to like them!

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eddie wrote: June 1st, 2017, 12:40 pm
Ezra wrote: June 1st, 2017, 11:58 am
eddie wrote: June 1st, 2017, 10:50 am
Ezra wrote: June 1st, 2017, 9:14 am

You might have bigger problems if you think those are funny jokes.
I do think they are funny in light of Silver's reply. :)) Look in the mirror Ezra, perhaps you have bigger problems, we are all flawed.
Flawed??? Except trumps politics right. Which is what you have been saying.

No one is saying we are not flawed. I have no problem with admitting when someone does good things. I have no problem admitting when they do wrong things. It's way easyer to see others problems over our own. Knowing that we need to be very open to others opinions of our faults so that we can address them without becoming upset or offended.

When other don't recognize blatant faults it tends to make people continue to try to explain them in further details.

I have tryed to explain your faults in supporting the sins trump has committed. Tryed to explain that we have scripture and prophets that also have given us guidance or commandments that are in complete opposition to trumps politics and wars. You have refused to answer or respond. With no defense yet continue in your stance of supporting those policies and actions. To which others have joined in to try to help you understand.

You will always find support by others who ignore scriptures and prophets as you have.

God simply doesn't justify these wars or the degrading of the constitution that is happening under trump. You will be judged for your support in those atrocities.

There is nothing wrong with supporting the good thing a president does and not supporting the bad things and speaking out against them.
Silver, did I just get spanked again? I'm starting to like them!
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Syrian chemical attack survivor has an incredible message for Trump and anti-Trump protesters
Justin Haskins Apr 8, 2017 7:05 pm
Syrian chemical attack survivor has an incredible message for Trump and anti-Trump protesters
Syrian Kassem Eid appears on CNN's "Newsroom" on April 7, 2017, to praise President Donald Trump's strike against Syria. (Image source: YouTube)
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A survivor of a 2013 chemical-weapons attack by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad praised President Donald Trump on Friday for choosing to order a missile strike against an airbase in Syria.

Trump, many congressmen, and members of the intelligence community have said Assad is responsible for chemical attacks made against civilians in northern Syria on Tuesday. In the attack, at least 86 people were killed, including 28 children. The Turkish Health Ministry reported on Thursday the nerve agent used in the attack was sarin.

Special: Black Storm: Curse on the Caliphate has the answers.
On Thursday, Trump ordered the launch of 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles against an airbase belonging to the Syrian government. Trump claimed in a statement on the attack that there “can be no dispute that Syria used banned chemical weapons, violated its obligations under the Chemical Weapons Convention and ignored the urging of the UN Security Council.”

Assad’s government has denied it is responsible for the chemical-weapons attack.


Speaking on CNN’s “Newsroom,” Kassem Eid, a survivor of a chemical attack launched by Assad in 2013, said he was “overwhelmed” with joy when he learned of Trump’s attack.

“I saw the news. I cried out of joy,” Eid said. “I jumped. I thanked God. I don’t know, I was overwhelmed. We’ve been asking for protection. We’ve been asking for consequences for more than six years. And today, for the first time, it happened. For the very first time we see Assad held accountable—just for once—held accountable for his crimes against humanity.”

“I was overwhelmed,” Eid said. “I felt grateful for President Trump. I felt grateful for the United States. I felt grateful for each and every person who lobbied and called, kept on talking until someone actually listened.”



CNN host Brooke Baldwin asked Eid whether he agreed critics of Trump who say the president is being hypocritical by defending Syrians in once instance and temporarily refusing to let Syrian refugees enter the country.

“With all due respect,” Eid said. “With all due respect, I didn’t see each and every person who was demonstrating after the travel ban. I didn’t see you three days ago when people were gassed to death, when civilians were gassed to death. I didn’t see you in 2013, when 1,400 people were gassed to death. I didn’t see you raising your voice against President Obama’s inaction in Syria that led us refugees, that made us refugees get kicked out of Syria.”

“If you really care about refugees, if you really care about helping us, please help us stay in our country,” Eid continued. “We don’t want to come to the United States. We want to stay in our country. We want to stay in our country, with all due respect. This is hypocrisy. If you really care, if you really care, help us stay in our country.”

Eid’s incredible message conflicts with what many critics of Trump have said about Syrian refugees, including Hillary Clinton, who recently said during a speech in Houston Trump can’t “in one breath speak of protecting Syrian babies and in the next, close America’s doors to them.”



On Friday, Trump asked the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to overturn a decision against Trump’s temporary travel ban made by a federal judge in Hawaii.

“To be sure, this order has been the subject of heated debate,” the Department of Justice wrote in its opening brief filed with the appellate court. “But the precedent set by this case will long transcend this order, this president, and this constitutional moment.”

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Finrock wrote: June 1st, 2017, 11:03 am
Irrelevant wrote: May 31st, 2017, 7:30 pm
Finrock wrote: May 31st, 2017, 9:57 am
Irrelevant wrote: May 31st, 2017, 7:38 am

Succeed in doing what, exactly?
Succeed at winning.

-Finrock
Ha ha. Nice. Which means...?
...nothing. It was just a joke! ;)

-Finrock
I got it and laughed in real life. Sometimes my sarcasm isn't obvious on the screen.

Trump

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Fitzgerald: ‘Ugly’ Americans display disdain for Trump
Joe Fitzgerald Monday, May 08, 2017

Credit: The Associated Press



How much longer must we as a nation endure this rottenness?

And that’s exactly what it is; it’s a sense of decay, and what’s decaying is really the defining essence of our democracy.

Surely even the loosest cannons among us have to know we’re called to be better than this.

So Donald Trump wasn’t their choice. So what?


Millions who didn’t vote for Barack Obama still called him Mr. President, not out of affection or admiration but out of an understanding he was placed in that office by fellow Americans who saw things differently.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html

Obama faces vile insults like no other president has
President Barack Obama

Among the wild accusations against President Barack Obama: He was a Black Panther, he refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and he’s complicit with the Muslim Brotherhood. What’s at the root of this?

Geoffrey R. Stone
No U.S. president in history has been castigated, condemned, insulted and degraded as much as Obama.
I've been thinking lately about the persistently vituperative and insulting attacks on President Barack Obama since 2008. It is, of course, commonplace in American politics for presidents to be lambasted for their policies, their programs, their values and even their personal quirks. Sometimes the tone crosses the line.

John Adams was accused by a political opponent of "swallowing up" every "consideration of the public welfare ... in a continual grasp for power." James Madison was demeaned as "Little Jemmy" because he was short. James Buchanan, who once declared that workers should get by on a dime a day, came to be mocked as "Ten Cent Jimmy."

John Tyler, who assumed the presidency after the death of William Henry Harrison, was ridiculed as "His Accidency." Congressman Abraham Lincoln castigated President James Polk as a "completely bewildered man." Opponents of Woodrow Wilson's reinstitution of the draft in World War I accused him of "committing a sin against humanity." Critics of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal attacked him as an "un-American radical."

Richard Nixon was famously known as "Tricky Dick," and of course he was not "a crook." At the height of the Vietnam War, Lyndon Johnson was excoriated by his opponents as a "murderer" and a "war criminal."

But no president in our nation's history has ever been castigated, condemned, mocked, insulted, derided and degraded on a scale even close to the constantly ugly attacks on Obama. From the day he assumed office — indeed, even before he assumed office — he was subjected to unprecedented insults in often the most hateful terms.

He has been accused of being a "secret Muslim" and born in Kenya, of being complicit with the Muslim Brotherhood, of wearing a ring bearing a secret verse from the Quran, of having once been a Black Panther, of refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, of seeking to confiscate all guns, of lying about just about everything he has ever said, ranging from Benghazi to the Affordable Care Act to immigration, of faking Osama bin Laden's death and of funding his campaigns with drug money.

It goes on and on and on. Even the president's family is treated by his political enemies with disrespect and disdain.

If one browses even respectable websites, one can readily find bumper stickers, coffee cups and T-shirts for sale with such messages as: "Dump This Turd" (with an image of Obama); "Coward! You Left Them To Die in Benghazi" (with an image of Obama); "Somewhere in Kenya A Village Is Missing Its Idiot" (with an image of Obama); "Islam's Trojan Horse" (with an image of Obama); "Pure Evil" (with an image of Obama); "I'm Not A Racist: I Hate His White Half Too" (with an image of Obama); "He Lies!" (with an image of Obama); and on and on and on.

Now don't get me wrong. Every one of these messages is protected by the First Amendment, and people have a right to express their views, even in harsh, offensive, cruel and moronic ways. We the People do not need to trust or admire our leaders, and we should not treat them with respect if we don't feel they deserve our respect. But the sheer vituperation directed at this president goes beyond any rational opposition and is, quite frankly, mind-boggling.

Obama and respect for America
In part, of course, this might just be a product of our times. Perhaps the quality of our public discourse has sunk so low that any public official must now expect such treatment. Perhaps any president elected in 2008 would have been greeted with similar scorn and disdain. But, to be honest, that seems unlikely.

Of course, there are those who say that this phenomenon is due in part, perhaps in large part, to the fact that Obama is African-American. But surely racism is dead in America today, right?

One fact that might lend some credence to the theory that racism has something to do with the tenor of the attacks on Obama is that only one other president in our history has been the target of similar (though more subdued) personal attacks.

In his day, this president was castigated by the press and his political opponents as a "liar," a "despot," a "usurper," a "thief," a "monster," a "perjurer," an "ignoramus," a "swindler," a "tyrant," a "fiend," a "coward," a "buffoon," a "butcher," a "pirate," a "devil" and a "king." He was charged with being "cunning," "thickheaded," "heartless," "filthy" and "fanatical." He was accused of behaving "like a thief in the night," of being "the miserable tool of traitors and rebels," and of being "adrift on a current of racial fanaticism."

He was labeled by his enemies "Abraham Africanus the First."

But, of course, race had nothing to do with it then either.

Tribune Content Agency

Geoffrey R. Stone is a law professor at the University of Chicago.

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Irrelevant
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Re: WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING

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"Our democracy"...

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Re: WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING

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Donald Trump is doing some good things. He is getting us out of the disastrous Paris Climate Accord, and although there is much to loathe about "Ryancare," at least the Individual Mandate has been removed. I believe Donald Trump has done several other good things, though some things have been a great disappointment, too. But Ron Paul did say he was doing a good job trying to save the economy. Even our venerable Dr. Paul believed in gradually weaning people off of welfare, so something along those lines might be necessary with Obamacare at this point. And I don't see it as a broken promise anyway, because Trump asserted that he had a plan that would still provide health care for everyone. Ugh.

I agree with the person who said he is in a steep learning curve.

Rand Paul worked closely with him about getting out of the Paris Accord and Rand is now working to undo the Saudi weapons deal in the Senate. I like Rand Paul's approach -- work with him to do what is right, correct him when he goes wrong, but don't just dogpile on him.

Are we wanting someone who will make all our wishes come true, or are we willing to roll up our sleeves and diligently yet diplomatically apply political pressure to "help" him find his way? If he was so in bed with the bad guys, why are they trying so hard to destroy him? It seems they see him as a threat of some kind...

And we should thank our lucky stars we are not subjects of Hillary. Would we not most certainly be at war with half of the world by now?

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Re: WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING

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admq12 wrote: June 13th, 2017, 5:50 am Donald Trump Is Unintelligible to liberals because they don't understand common sense.....................
Welcome! :ymapplause: :ymapplause:

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Silver wrote: June 3rd, 2017, 12:17 am http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html

Obama faces vile insults like no other president has
President Barack Obama

Among the wild accusations against President Barack Obama: He was a Black Panther, he refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and he’s complicit with the Muslim Brotherhood. What’s at the root of this?

Geoffrey R. Stone
No U.S. president in history has been castigated, condemned, insulted and degraded as much as Obama.
I've been thinking lately about the persistently vituperative and insulting attacks on President Barack Obama since 2008. It is, of course, commonplace in American politics for presidents to be lambasted for their policies, their programs, their values and even their personal quirks. Sometimes the tone crosses the line.

John Adams was accused by a political opponent of "swallowing up" every "consideration of the public welfare ... in a continual grasp for power." James Madison was demeaned as "Little Jemmy" because he was short. James Buchanan, who once declared that workers should get by on a dime a day, came to be mocked as "Ten Cent Jimmy."

John Tyler, who assumed the presidency after the death of William Henry Harrison, was ridiculed as "His Accidency." Congressman Abraham Lincoln castigated President James Polk as a "completely bewildered man." Opponents of Woodrow Wilson's reinstitution of the draft in World War I accused him of "committing a sin against humanity." Critics of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal attacked him as an "un-American radical."

Richard Nixon was famously known as "Tricky Dick," and of course he was not "a crook." At the height of the Vietnam War, Lyndon Johnson was excoriated by his opponents as a "murderer" and a "war criminal."

But no president in our nation's history has ever been castigated, condemned, mocked, insulted, derided and degraded on a scale even close to the constantly ugly attacks on Obama. From the day he assumed office — indeed, even before he assumed office — he was subjected to unprecedented insults in often the most hateful terms.

He has been accused of being a "secret Muslim" and born in Kenya, of being complicit with the Muslim Brotherhood, of wearing a ring bearing a secret verse from the Quran, of having once been a Black Panther, of refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, of seeking to confiscate all guns, of lying about just about everything he has ever said, ranging from Benghazi to the Affordable Care Act to immigration, of faking Osama bin Laden's death and of funding his campaigns with drug money.

It goes on and on and on. Even the president's family is treated by his political enemies with disrespect and disdain.

If one browses even respectable websites, one can readily find bumper stickers, coffee cups and T-shirts for sale with such messages as: "Dump This Turd" (with an image of Obama); "Coward! You Left Them To Die in Benghazi" (with an image of Obama); "Somewhere in Kenya A Village Is Missing Its Idiot" (with an image of Obama); "Islam's Trojan Horse" (with an image of Obama); "Pure Evil" (with an image of Obama); "I'm Not A Racist: I Hate His White Half Too" (with an image of Obama); "He Lies!" (with an image of Obama); and on and on and on.

Now don't get me wrong. Every one of these messages is protected by the First Amendment, and people have a right to express their views, even in harsh, offensive, cruel and moronic ways. We the People do not need to trust or admire our leaders, and we should not treat them with respect if we don't feel they deserve our respect. But the sheer vituperation directed at this president goes beyond any rational opposition and is, quite frankly, mind-boggling.

Obama and respect for America
In part, of course, this might just be a product of our times. Perhaps the quality of our public discourse has sunk so low that any public official must now expect such treatment. Perhaps any president elected in 2008 would have been greeted with similar scorn and disdain. But, to be honest, that seems unlikely.

Of course, there are those who say that this phenomenon is due in part, perhaps in large part, to the fact that Obama is African-American. But surely racism is dead in America today, right?

One fact that might lend some credence to the theory that racism has something to do with the tenor of the attacks on Obama is that only one other president in our history has been the target of similar (though more subdued) personal attacks.

In his day, this president was castigated by the press and his political opponents as a "liar," a "despot," a "usurper," a "thief," a "monster," a "perjurer," an "ignoramus," a "swindler," a "tyrant," a "fiend," a "coward," a "buffoon," a "butcher," a "pirate," a "devil" and a "king." He was charged with being "cunning," "thickheaded," "heartless," "filthy" and "fanatical." He was accused of behaving "like a thief in the night," of being "the miserable tool of traitors and rebels," and of being "adrift on a current of racial fanaticism."

He was labeled by his enemies "Abraham Africanus the First."

But, of course, race had nothing to do with it then either.

Tribune Content Agency

Geoffrey R. Stone is a law professor at the University of Chicago.

So you feel sorry for Obama and are doing the same thing to Trump? Hypocritical at best. Your plan to alert us of Trumps offenses has had the opposite effect, time for a different strategy Silver. Can't you see that, or are you so blinded with hate and guile your senses had abandoned you? Are your words worthy of a Latter Day Saint? NO.

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Re: WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING

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admq12 wrote: June 13th, 2017, 5:50 am Donald Trump Is Unintelligible to liberals because they don't understand common sense.....................
If they don't understand it, by definition it isn't common.

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Re: WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING

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eddie wrote: June 13th, 2017, 10:45 pm
Silver wrote: June 3rd, 2017, 12:17 am http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html

Obama faces vile insults like no other president has
President Barack Obama

Among the wild accusations against President Barack Obama: He was a Black Panther, he refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and he’s complicit with the Muslim Brotherhood. What’s at the root of this?

Geoffrey R. Stone
No U.S. president in history has been castigated, condemned, insulted and degraded as much as Obama.
I've been thinking lately about the persistently vituperative and insulting attacks on President Barack Obama since 2008. It is, of course, commonplace in American politics for presidents to be lambasted for their policies, their programs, their values and even their personal quirks. Sometimes the tone crosses the line.

John Adams was accused by a political opponent of "swallowing up" every "consideration of the public welfare ... in a continual grasp for power." James Madison was demeaned as "Little Jemmy" because he was short. James Buchanan, who once declared that workers should get by on a dime a day, came to be mocked as "Ten Cent Jimmy."

John Tyler, who assumed the presidency after the death of William Henry Harrison, was ridiculed as "His Accidency." Congressman Abraham Lincoln castigated President James Polk as a "completely bewildered man." Opponents of Woodrow Wilson's reinstitution of the draft in World War I accused him of "committing a sin against humanity." Critics of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal attacked him as an "un-American radical."

Richard Nixon was famously known as "Tricky Dick," and of course he was not "a crook." At the height of the Vietnam War, Lyndon Johnson was excoriated by his opponents as a "murderer" and a "war criminal."

But no president in our nation's history has ever been castigated, condemned, mocked, insulted, derided and degraded on a scale even close to the constantly ugly attacks on Obama. From the day he assumed office — indeed, even before he assumed office — he was subjected to unprecedented insults in often the most hateful terms.

He has been accused of being a "secret Muslim" and born in Kenya, of being complicit with the Muslim Brotherhood, of wearing a ring bearing a secret verse from the Quran, of having once been a Black Panther, of refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, of seeking to confiscate all guns, of lying about just about everything he has ever said, ranging from Benghazi to the Affordable Care Act to immigration, of faking Osama bin Laden's death and of funding his campaigns with drug money.

It goes on and on and on. Even the president's family is treated by his political enemies with disrespect and disdain.

If one browses even respectable websites, one can readily find bumper stickers, coffee cups and T-shirts for sale with such messages as: "Dump This Turd" (with an image of Obama); "Coward! You Left Them To Die in Benghazi" (with an image of Obama); "Somewhere in Kenya A Village Is Missing Its Idiot" (with an image of Obama); "Islam's Trojan Horse" (with an image of Obama); "Pure Evil" (with an image of Obama); "I'm Not A Racist: I Hate His White Half Too" (with an image of Obama); "He Lies!" (with an image of Obama); and on and on and on.

Now don't get me wrong. Every one of these messages is protected by the First Amendment, and people have a right to express their views, even in harsh, offensive, cruel and moronic ways. We the People do not need to trust or admire our leaders, and we should not treat them with respect if we don't feel they deserve our respect. But the sheer vituperation directed at this president goes beyond any rational opposition and is, quite frankly, mind-boggling.

Obama and respect for America
In part, of course, this might just be a product of our times. Perhaps the quality of our public discourse has sunk so low that any public official must now expect such treatment. Perhaps any president elected in 2008 would have been greeted with similar scorn and disdain. But, to be honest, that seems unlikely.

Of course, there are those who say that this phenomenon is due in part, perhaps in large part, to the fact that Obama is African-American. But surely racism is dead in America today, right?

One fact that might lend some credence to the theory that racism has something to do with the tenor of the attacks on Obama is that only one other president in our history has been the target of similar (though more subdued) personal attacks.

In his day, this president was castigated by the press and his political opponents as a "liar," a "despot," a "usurper," a "thief," a "monster," a "perjurer," an "ignoramus," a "swindler," a "tyrant," a "fiend," a "coward," a "buffoon," a "butcher," a "pirate," a "devil" and a "king." He was charged with being "cunning," "thickheaded," "heartless," "filthy" and "fanatical." He was accused of behaving "like a thief in the night," of being "the miserable tool of traitors and rebels," and of being "adrift on a current of racial fanaticism."

He was labeled by his enemies "Abraham Africanus the First."

But, of course, race had nothing to do with it then either.

Tribune Content Agency

Geoffrey R. Stone is a law professor at the University of Chicago.

So you feel sorry for Obama and are doing the same thing to Trump? Hypocritical at best. Your plan to alert us of Trumps offenses has had the opposite effect, time for a different strategy Silver. Can't you see that, or are you so blinded with hate and guile your senses had abandoned you? Are your words worthy of a Latter Day Saint? NO.
"Opposite effect," eh? Shall we take a poll on LDSFF?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-1 ... dent-trump

Although my reasons for disapproval are different than most...

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