Why I stopped being a feminist

[Finrock]

Feminism has nothing to do with equality, if it did women would be pushing for change in divorce laws. These women pick and choose what they cry for with equality. They shout and show proof of their empowerment and "girl power" by sleeping around and having one night stands "like men do". They show their "independence" by divorcing yet they are with a new man the next day, many times the same night, most times before the divorce is ever mentioned. Women are nothing but fragile, attention starved, mental head cases that cry 'girl power" around the same women that they hate and cant stand to be around.

This posts definitely reveals a bias against women. No attempt to say "Some women...", "Many women...", "A percentage of women...", but "Women are..."

-Finrock

[Finrock]

I only said BS because I thought it sounded "nicer" than saying anything else. I wasnt trying to sound mean or uncivil. Sometimes I say things not realizing the context or the situation, I apologize. There really was no ill intent.


I am not bitter at any females sometimes I just ramble about them mostly in good humor. One thing I have learned is you wont find many men saying anything negative about females, anything negative always comes from other females. I did not expect to get much agreement with my ramble from people on a Mormon discussion board. The funny thing is many females will agree with what i said, well to themselves. The only thing you will get from other males is how wonderful women are. Its hard for many men to say anything negative. Many men simply are 'mesmerized" by women, is usually why most men get walked all over and then left. Most Mormon men are brought up taught that Mormon girls are pure at heart, mind, body and soul and do no wrong. Its simply not true. The scriptures tell us that the Lord will be 'fed up" with females and their behavior in the last days. So I suspect what I say may have a little truth to it.

I can get onboard with the general sentiment of this post.

-Finrock

[Gage]

Feminism has nothing to do with equality, if it did women would be pushing for change in divorce laws. These women pick and choose what they cry for with equality. They shout and show proof of their empowerment and "girl power" by sleeping around and having one night stands "like men do". They show their "independence" by divorcing yet they are with a new man the next day, many times the same night, most times before the divorce is ever mentioned. Women are nothing but fragile, attention starved, mental head cases that cry 'girl power" around the same women that they hate and cant stand to be around.

This posts definitely reveals a bias against women. No attempt to say "Some women...", "Many women...", "A percentage of women...", but "Women are..."

-Finrock

No I was meaning Feminist women. The ones that brag about being Feminist.

[Finrock]

Feminism has nothing to do with equality, if it did women would be pushing for change in divorce laws. These women pick and choose what they cry for with equality. They shout and show proof of their empowerment and "girl power" by sleeping around and having one night stands "like men do". They show their "independence" by divorcing yet they are with a new man the next day, many times the same night, most times before the divorce is ever mentioned. Women are nothing but fragile, attention starved, mental head cases that cry 'girl power" around the same women that they hate and cant stand to be around.

This posts definitely reveals a bias against women. No attempt to say "Some women...", "Many women...", "A percentage of women...", but "Women are..."

-Finrock

No I was meaning Feminist women. The ones that brag about being Feminist.

Oh, okay. When you said, "Women are..." I didn't initially read any qualifiers. But, thanks for the clarification. I still don't know if that is completely true even of "feminist women" but, it's good to know you don't think this of women in general. Not that I am here to condemn you, just saying.

-Finrock

[Gage]

I think some are missing what I was implying. I am not implying that women treat men badly, for the most part and generally speaking women try to please men because they love men. They really love men, which gets them into trouble sometimes. The same can be said for a man. I am talking about how women treat other women which was going back to my point about Feminism and that women are just not designed to be in the workplace and work together. They cannot work together as easily as men do. Women have trouble working as a team, they cannot stand to have a female boss, jealousy and pettiness is rampant, I could go on and on I've seen it for a long time.

[Gage]

for the most part and generally speaking women try to please men because they love men. They really love men,

Let me rephrase that statement. Women dont necessarily love they "use" which they make seem come across as love. This is why when you divorce your wife or break up with your girlfriend and you are home crying and not ate for 3 days, this is why she can be out like nothing has happened and acts like she never knew you. This is why you feel at that moment that you can never love again she already has a new boyfriend. The reason why they can do this is because they never "loved" you in the first place, they used you. Women use men to get things they want. And men are smitten schmucks that actually believe that their woman was madly in love with them.

[Rose Garden]

Feminism has nothing to do with equality, if it did women would be pushing for change in divorce laws. These women pick and choose what they cry for with equality. They shout and show proof of their empowerment and "girl power" by sleeping around and having one night stands "like men do". They show their "independence" by divorcing yet they are with a new man the next day, many times the same night, most times before the divorce is ever mentioned. Women are nothing but fragile, attention starved, mental head cases that cry 'girl power" around the same women that they hate and cant stand to be around.

Gee, I'm feeling like a fragile, attention starved, mental head case right now . . .

[Army Of Truth]

...This is why you feel at that moment that you can never love again she already has a new boyfriend. The reason why they can do this is because they never "loved" you in the first place, they used you. Women use men to get things they want. And men are smitten schmucks that actually believe that their woman was madly in love with them.

:ymapplause: :ymapplause: :ymapplause:

I've been divorced for 9 years, and haven't yet remarried. Reading this reminds me exactly of my ex. One thing I overheard her say to her friend on the phone (when we got divorced) is that she "was never in love with me to begin with" so I totally agree with this. She has been remarried twice, since me, and is now in her fourth marriage! She is the epitome of the woman who uses men just get what they want. (i.e. house, car, money, credit cards, etc) I'm just waiting for her to divorce her current husband when he doesnt satisfy her needs anymore. That's what she does every 3-5 years. #-o

[Fiannan]

There may be a reason why women do not get as devastated by the loss of a mate as a man. Throughout history women were (and in some places even are) taken as prizes in conquest. Women who resisted were likely to be sold off as work slaves (thus not doing much reproducing) while the more compliant might become a sex slave, wife or concubine in the victor's tribe (and passing her genes on). Resistant personalities did not project as many genes into the next generation.

Women can fall into love quicker than a man, but fall out of love easier. Men fall in love at a slower pace but when they attach they are more loyal. Sorry, this is just biology and psychology. However, there is even a spiritual compoent to this. In the next life we just assume that men who are less worthy will have their wives taken and given to worthy men. I have actually not heard that many women, even the ones who hate polygamy, wonder aloud about the possible loss of a compaion they may have raised kids with and lived with all thier lives. Men on the other hand often say that they could not imagine entering into polygamy for how it might affect their wives.

Just an observation. ;)

[David13]

Yeah, but it's still not much of a case, as he acurately describes a whole lot of women there.

Most of the women I know are pretty amazing. I guess we just move in different circles.

Most of the women I know, and associate with indeed are rather decent women. You know what has been said to be the hobgoblin of small minds.

But my statement still stands. No where did I say I have anything to do with the women Gage is talking about, but we all know there are quite a few of them around today, don't we? Yes, you do, even tho' you may not want to admit it, so as to be "politically correct".

dc

Tell me, did Gage post that he had anything to do with the women he described? Or did you just invent that?

[David13]

Feminism has nothing to do with equality, if it did women would be pushing for change in divorce laws. These women pick and choose what they cry for with equality. They shout and show proof of their empowerment and "girl power" by sleeping around and having one night stands "like men do". They show their "independence" by divorcing yet they are with a new man the next day, many times the same night, most times before the divorce is ever mentioned. Women are nothing but fragile, attention starved, mental head cases that cry 'girl power" around the same women that they hate and cant stand to be around.

This posts definitely reveals a bias against women. No attempt to say "Some women...", "Many women...", "A percentage of women...", but "Women are..."

-Finrock

Is it bias or over generalization? Can you tell me what biases, prejudices, and stereotypes are usually partially based on?
dc

[David13]

for the most part and generally speaking women try to please men because they love men. They really love men,

Let me rephrase that statement. Women dont necessarily love they "use" which they make seem come across as love. This is why when you divorce your wife or break up with your girlfriend and you are home crying and not ate for 3 days, this is why she can be out like nothing has happened and acts like she never knew you. This is why you feel at that moment that you can never love again she already has a new boyfriend. The reason why they can do this is because they never "loved" you in the first place, they used you. Women use men to get things they want. And men are smitten schmucks that actually believe that their woman was madly in love with them.

Over the last 39 years I was "involved" in a lot of divorces (among other things). I noticed that that situation you describe applied to some men, and to some women. I don't know the %, but I'd say maybe 50 50.
dc

[Finrock]

I think some are missing what I was implying. I am not implying that women treat men badly, for the most part and generally speaking women try to please men because they love men. They really love men, which gets them into trouble sometimes. The same can be said for a man. I am talking about how women treat other women which was going back to my point about Feminism and that women are just not designed to be in the workplace and work together. They cannot work together as easily as men do. Women have trouble working as a team, they cannot stand to have a female boss, jealousy and pettiness is rampant, I could go on and on I've seen it for a long time.

I can already think of one example off the top of my head that demonstrates that you are making hasty generalizations. I'll post a reference later.

-Finrock

[djinwa]

There may be a reason why women do not get as devastated by the loss of a mate as a man. Throughout history women were (and in some places even are) taken as prizes in conquest. Women who resisted were likely to be sold off as work slaves (thus not doing much reproducing) while the more compliant might become a sex slave, wife or concubine in the victor's tribe (and passing her genes on). Resistant personalities did not project as many genes into the next generation.

Women can fall into love quicker than a man, but fall out of love easier. Men fall in love at a slower pace but when they attach they are more loyal. Sorry, this is just biology and psychology. However, there is even a spiritual compoent to this. In the next life we just assume that men who are less worthy will have their wives taken and given to worthy men. I have actually not heard that many women, even the ones who hate polygamy, wonder aloud about the possible loss of a compaion they may have raised kids with and lived with all thier lives. Men on the other hand often say that they could not imagine entering into polygamy for how it might affect their wives.

Just an observation. ;)

Another perspsective.

It has been said that men love women, women love children, and children love the cat.

To keep the species going, men need to provide for women, who in turn provide for the children.

So the true attachment of women are to their kids, not the husband. I can verify that the cooking nearly stopped after our kids left, and she can really crank out the food if they come to visit.

Women view men as a source of income or resources, just as men view their jobs. While some men are committed to their jobs, they will often leave if they find a better deal, just like women leave marriages.

And like many, if not most, men hate their jobs, and complain about them, so it is with women and their husbands. Never good enough, and they are too good for him, just like most men think they are underpaid and too good for their jobs.

So men finally get to retire from their job, which puts them at home more with their wife, which often means she doesn't get to retire from her husband. Guys think their wife is happy to have him home more, when it is actually the opposite.

At some point when he dies, she actually gets to retire and enjoy herself.

[Finrock]

I think some are missing what I was implying. I am not implying that women treat men badly, for the most part and generally speaking women try to please men because they love men. They really love men, which gets them into trouble sometimes. The same can be said for a man. I am talking about how women treat other women which was going back to my point about Feminism and that women are just not designed to be in the workplace and work together. They cannot work together as easily as men do. Women have trouble working as a team, they cannot stand to have a female boss, jealousy and pettiness is rampant, I could go on and on I've seen it for a long time.

I can already think of one example off the top of my head that demonstrates that you are making hasty generalizations. I'll post a reference later.

-Finrock

I can't find the reference at the moment and I apologize. But, what I was thinking about was that I was recently listening to a radio interview of a director of a movie where she stated that she decided to hire nothing but women in filming, creating, directing, and producing the movie. I believe there were male actors, but everyone else responsible for making the movie was a woman. Her testimony of that experience was that there was a atmosphere of nurturing, less arguing, a very different energy (good energy) than when working with men, and overall she described it as a very good and a very successful experience for her and for all involved.

I wish I could find the reference now but I can't remember the program or the name of the guest or even the name of the movie at the moment. I just know that it was on a public radio station. She was probably someone you might even consider a "feminist" although I don't know that as a fact.

In any case, I'm confident in saying that your observation is a hasty generalization.

-Finrock

[David13]

There may be a reason why women do not get as devastated by the loss of a mate as a man. Throughout history women were (and in some places even are) taken as prizes in conquest. Women who resisted were likely to be sold off as work slaves (thus not doing much reproducing) while the more compliant might become a sex slave, wife or concubine in the victor's tribe (and passing her genes on). Resistant personalities did not project as many genes into the next generation.

Women can fall into love quicker than a man, but fall out of love easier. Men fall in love at a slower pace but when they attach they are more loyal. Sorry, this is just biology and psychology. However, there is even a spiritual compoent to this. In the next life we just assume that men who are less worthy will have their wives taken and given to worthy men. I have actually not heard that many women, even the ones who hate polygamy, wonder aloud about the possible loss of a compaion they may have raised kids with and lived with all thier lives. Men on the other hand often say that they could not imagine entering into polygamy for how it might affect their wives.

Just an observation. ;)

Another perspsective.

It has been said that men love women, women love children, and children love the cat.

To keep the species going, men need to provide for women, who in turn provide for the children.

So the true attachment of women are to their kids, not the husband. I can verify that the cooking nearly stopped after our kids left, and she can really crank out the food if they come to visit.

Women view men as a source of income or resources, just as men view their jobs. While some men are committed to their jobs, they will often leave if they find a better deal, just like women leave marriages.

And like many, if not most, men hate their jobs, and complain about them, so it is with women and their husbands. Never good enough, and they are too good for him, just like most men think they are underpaid and too good for their jobs.

So men finally get to retire from their job, which puts them at home more with their wife, which often means she doesn't get to retire from her husband. Guys think their wife is happy to have him home more, when it is actually the opposite.

At some point when he dies, she actually gets to retire and enjoy herself.

I don't think I can agree with any of that. All I can say about all of it is, some men do, some don't. Some women do, some don't.
dc

And kids and cats? !!! Some kids abuse the daylights out of a cat. The cat runs when he sees them. Generally cats are afraid of kids anyway. Too much noise, plus they smell bad, the do bad things, they talk bad, come to think of it, I was better off not having kids.

[djinwa]

There may be a reason why women do not get as devastated by the loss of a mate as a man. Throughout history women were (and in some places even are) taken as prizes in conquest. Women who resisted were likely to be sold off as work slaves (thus not doing much reproducing) while the more compliant might become a sex slave, wife or concubine in the victor's tribe (and passing her genes on). Resistant personalities did not project as many genes into the next generation.

Women can fall into love quicker than a man, but fall out of love easier. Men fall in love at a slower pace but when they attach they are more loyal. Sorry, this is just biology and psychology. However, there is even a spiritual compoent to this. In the next life we just assume that men who are less worthy will have their wives taken and given to worthy men. I have actually not heard that many women, even the ones who hate polygamy, wonder aloud about the possible loss of a compaion they may have raised kids with and lived with all thier lives. Men on the other hand often say that they could not imagine entering into polygamy for how it might affect their wives.

Just an observation. ;)

Another perspsective.

It has been said that men love women, women love children, and children love the cat.

To keep the species going, men need to provide for women, who in turn provide for the children.

So the true attachment of women are to their kids, not the husband. I can verify that the cooking nearly stopped after our kids left, and she can really crank out the food if they come to visit.

Women view men as a source of income or resources, just as men view their jobs. While some men are committed to their jobs, they will often leave if they find a better deal, just like women leave marriages.

And like many, if not most, men hate their jobs, and complain about them, so it is with women and their husbands. Never good enough, and they are too good for him, just like most men think they are underpaid and too good for their jobs.

So men finally get to retire from their job, which puts them at home more with their wife, which often means she doesn't get to retire from her husband. Guys think their wife is happy to have him home more, when it is actually the opposite.

At some point when he dies, she actually gets to retire and enjoy herself.

I don't think I can agree with any of that. All I can say about all of it is, some men do, some don't. Some women do, some don't.
dc

And kids and cats? !!! Some kids abuse the daylights out of a cat. The cat runs when he sees them. Generally cats are afraid of kids anyway. Too much noise, plus they smell bad, the do bad things, they talk bad, come to think of it, I was better off not having kids.

So you're saying women are more devoted to their husbands than their kids? How explain divorces and custody battles?

Never heard women complain about their "needy" husbands who act immature? Do they complain about "needy" kids?

The needs of a husband are annoying, while they like meeting the needs of their kids.

Sure there are exceptions, but this is common. Perhaps you need to get out more to see or hear it.

[Fiannan]

There are a lot of factors that interact in forming and maintaining relationships. The last few posts deal with a more biological aspect of attraction but let's not throw out Freud's observations. In early stages of life we imprint what traits we are attracted to in the opposite sex by what our opposite-sex parent (or symbol) displays. So when we grow older we seek a replacement for dad and mom. Women want a new daddy and men want a new mommy; with all the benefits that their early relationship entailed. This is why women will, when the relationship starts to get a bit serious around the 3rd month of dating, want to know what a guy's relationship is with his mom. Men should, but don't usually, ask the relationship a woman has with her dad. If a man meets a woman who always rips on her dad, particularly if she comes from a divorced home, run...run for your life. She is attracted to his image in some ways to you. However, she will later notice her daddy's perceived weaknesses in you, particularly when times can get rough (like economic hardships). However, what if she sometimes rips on daddy but her parents are loyal to each other? The traits she reflects from her mom of loyalty, even if there are fights, and particularly if her mom loves her dad will show how she will treat you.

So in other words, avoid women from divorced homes, especially if they hold a grudge against dad.

[Fiannan]

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[David13]

There may be a reason why women do not get as devastated by the loss of a mate as a man. Throughout history women were (and in some places even are) taken as prizes in conquest. Women who resisted were likely to be sold off as work slaves (thus not doing much reproducing) while the more compliant might become a sex slave, wife or concubine in the victor's tribe (and passing her genes on). Resistant personalities did not project as many genes into the next generation.

Women can fall into love quicker than a man, but fall out of love easier. Men fall in love at a slower pace but when they attach they are more loyal. Sorry, this is just biology and psychology. However, there is even a spiritual compoent to this. In the next life we just assume that men who are less worthy will have their wives taken and given to worthy men. I have actually not heard that many women, even the ones who hate polygamy, wonder aloud about the possible loss of a compaion they may have raised kids with and lived with all thier lives. Men on the other hand often say that they could not imagine entering into polygamy for how it might affect their wives.

Just an observation. ;)

Another perspsective.

It has been said that men love women, women love children, and children love the cat.

To keep the species going, men need to provide for women, who in turn provide for the children.

So the true attachment of women are to their kids, not the husband. I can verify that the cooking nearly stopped after our kids left, and she can really crank out the food if they come to visit.

Women view men as a source of income or resources, just as men view their jobs. While some men are committed to their jobs, they will often leave if they find a better deal, just like women leave marriages.

And like many, if not most, men hate their jobs, and complain about them, so it is with women and their husbands. Never good enough, and they are too good for him, just like most men think they are underpaid and too good for their jobs.

So men finally get to retire from their job, which puts them at home more with their wife, which often means she doesn't get to retire from her husband. Guys think their wife is happy to have him home more, when it is actually the opposite.

At some point when he dies, she actually gets to retire and enjoy herself.

I don't think I can agree with any of that. All I can say about all of it is, some men do, some don't. Some women do, some don't.
dc

And kids and cats? !!! Some kids abuse the daylights out of a cat. The cat runs when he sees them. Generally cats are afraid of kids anyway. Too much noise, plus they smell bad, the do bad things, they talk bad, come to think of it, I was better off not having kids.

So you're saying women are more devoted to their husbands than their kids? How explain divorces and custody battles?

Never heard women complain about their "needy" husbands who act immature? Do they complain about "needy" kids?

The needs of a husband are annoying, while they like meeting the needs of their kids.

Sure there are exceptions, but this is common. Perhaps you need to get out more to see or hear it.

And perhaps I've been out a lot more than you, and you just don't know what you are talking about.
dc

[Gage]

There may be a reason why women do not get as devastated by the loss of a mate as a man. Throughout history women were (and in some places even are) taken as prizes in conquest. Women who resisted were likely to be sold off as work slaves (thus not doing much reproducing) while the more compliant might become a sex slave, wife or concubine in the victor's tribe (and passing her genes on). Resistant personalities did not project as many genes into the next generation.

Women can fall into love quicker than a man, but fall out of love easier. Men fall in love at a slower pace but when they attach they are more loyal. Sorry, this is just biology and psychology. However, there is even a spiritual compoent to this. In the next life we just assume that men who are less worthy will have their wives taken and given to worthy men. I have actually not heard that many women, even the ones who hate polygamy, wonder aloud about the possible loss of a compaion they may have raised kids with and lived with all thier lives. Men on the other hand often say that they could not imagine entering into polygamy for how it might affect their wives.

Just an observation. ;)

Another perspsective.

It has been said that men love women, women love children, and children love the cat.

To keep the species going, men need to provide for women, who in turn provide for the children.

So the true attachment of women are to their kids, not the husband. I can verify that the cooking nearly stopped after our kids left, and she can really crank out the food if they come to visit.

Women view men as a source of income or resources, just as men view their jobs. While some men are committed to their jobs, they will often leave if they find a better deal, just like women leave marriages.

And like many, if not most, men hate their jobs, and complain about them, so it is with women and their husbands. Never good enough, and they are too good for him, just like most men think they are underpaid and too good for their jobs.

So men finally get to retire from their job, which puts them at home more with their wife, which often means she doesn't get to retire from her husband. Guys think their wife is happy to have him home more, when it is actually the opposite.

At some point when he dies, she actually gets to retire and enjoy herself.

I agree, Just like men always looking for a better job, many women are always looking for a "better husband". Its always been this way, its just today its more accepted and divorce is common. Its not that women stopped caring what society thinks of them, its that society has lowered its expectations of them, so most anything goes. It used to be a woman would not move in with a man unless they were married, now its accepted and women do it. It used to be a woman would be shun and feel ashamed if she became pregnant and not married, now its accepted and women do it. It used to be divorce was frowned upon, now women go through more men then they do vehicles. And yes it takes two and men are partaking as well, but none of this would happen without the consent of a woman. So do you blame the woman for the increase in immorality or do you blame the society for accepting it?

[Fiannan]

Weird discussion at work party today. One woman brought up the new trend of womens-only sex clubs in urban, high rent districts. These are usually professional women who identify as entirely heterosexual who come in, meet other women, socialize and then have sex. The thing is that when she brought this up all the women said they could totally understand; and they claimed it was due to the low quality of men in the single world. Naturally I asked the only single guy in the group what he thought and he kinda shirked the question.
These are all liberal women with high educations but they admit that what attracts them in a man are the more traditional notions of manhood. When I noted the futurists notions that the next generation will be made up of polyamory units of women with an alpha male donor for kids or head-husband with women who are involved with each other the consensus was that this indeed is the wave of the future.

[Gage]

Yes I hope I live to see the day the Lord cuts women back down to size. A man will once again feel appreciated and a woman will be back in her place.

[h_p]

I have a feeling that when that day comes, men and women both will be too busy trying to get out from under that sword to care what's happening to anybody else.

[brianj]

2 Nephi 13:12 keeps coming to mind as I read this discussion.