Interesting letter: Don't marry a feminist.

[Fiannan]

https://pjmedia.com/parenting/2017/05/2 ... -feminist/

Overall very good advice. But remember, not all feminist are overweight social justice warriors protesting topless in public against "the patriarchy." Some go to Church and at first don't come across all that leftist. Watch what they say and how they say it -- and on issues of family if they say, "I may be Mormon, but..." take that as a red flag.

[EmmaLee]

Speaking of "Mormon feminists" - have you heard about this heinous group of supposed LDS women?

https://www.mormonwomenforethicalgovernment.org/

They seem to be just a bunch of unhappy social justice warriors who are "Mormon" (and "women"??) in name-only. I especially love that they dressed up, and had their young daughters dress up, in the decidedly ANTI-woman, ANTI-ethical, ANTI-Mormon, Muslim garb of oppression and abuse. I wonder if they'll have a mini-lesson at their next RS activity extolling the virtues of FGM?

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[David13]

https://pjmedia.com/parenting/2017/05/2 ... -feminist/

Overall very good advice. But remember, not all feminist are overweight social justice warriors protesting topless in public against "the patriarchy." Some go to Church and at first don't come across all that leftist. Watch what they say and how they say it -- and on issues of family if they say, "I may be Mormon, but..." take that as a red flag.

That was good, very simple and good. And a good 30 second video, too.
dc

[David13]

Speaking of "Mormon feminists" - have you heard about this heinous group of supposed LDS women?


They seem to be just a bunch of unhappy social justice warriors who are "Mormon" (and "women"??) in name-only. I especially love that they dressed up, and had their young daughters dress up, in the decidedly ANTI-woman, ANTI-ethical, ANTI-Mormon, Muslim garb of oppression and abuse. I wonder if they'll have a mini-lesson at their next RS activity extolling the virtues of FGM?

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Those are some sick, sick women you have there, Emma Lee, sick in the head.
dc

[brianj]

One big problem within the church is how much feminist philosophy has infected so many of the women. Almost every week I come across women in the church who have the notion that equality (figuratively) means for her to be on a throne with her husband as a servant.

[Rensai]

One big problem within the church is how much feminist philosophy has infected so many of the women. Almost every week I come across women in the church who have the notion that equality (figuratively) means for her to be on a throne with her husband as a servant.

Its not just he women that think like that. You hear that kind of stuff from men all the time in church too; they talk about how their wife is the boss, how much better their wife is than them, etc. Feminism has infected both sexes.

[Fiannan]

One big problem within the church is how much feminist philosophy has infected so many of the women. Almost every week I come across women in the church who have the notion that equality (figuratively) means for her to be on a throne with her husband as a servant.

Now stop it, men are savages who God created woman to bring enlightenment to. Men in the Church should bow to women like the ancients bowed to the high priestesses. They don't deserve women. LDS men are all just a bunch or porn addicted sloths anyway.

Then again Mohammed said most inhabitants of hell are women.

Truth may be somewhere in between; you suppose?

[Fiannan]

One big problem within the church is how much feminist philosophy has infected so many of the women. Almost every week I come across women in the church who have the notion that equality (figuratively) means for her to be on a throne with her husband as a servant.

Its not just he women that think like that. You hear that kind of stuff from men all the time in church too; they talk about how their wife is the boss, how much better their wife is than them, etc. Feminism has infected both sexes.

There is a term out there young people are throwing around on social media for such men. I think you know the term.

[Fiannan]

Thoughts on this? Would we have such an event for the FLDS? Aren't Muslims believers in polygamy who have not suspended it?

http://www.ldsliving.com/Mormon-Wards-t ... rs/s/85481

[Shimdidly]

Last week during priesthood meeting the lesson focused on marital relationships. Lots of participation in the class. Let's just say feminism has found its way into most men's routine thinking.

[Fiannan]

Last week during priesthood meeting the lesson focused on marital relationships. Lots of participation in the class. Let's just say feminism has found its way into most men's routine thinking.

No wonder the Church is in such dire trouble.

[simpleton]

Just read Isaiah, he saw our day and this is us to the T..

Isaiah 3:12....

12As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

[brianj]

Just read Isaiah, he saw our day and this is us to the T..

Isaiah 3:12....

12As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

I recall reading those words last November or December in 2 Nephi 13:12 and they really hit me hard. I have known of children to make false reports to CPS because they don't get what they want, I have known men who were physically abused by their wives or girlfriends only to be arrested when the police show up, and I have seen several cases of men setting up hidden cameras in their houses so they can prove that they were the victims instead of the perpetrators when a woman gets upset and violent.

I have a theory explaining the popularity of the Fifty Shades books, that these books are so popular (even among a significant number of LDS women) because they have turned from gospel truth. The 50 Shades books have a theme of bondage, domination, and submission, and I believe that on a deep level women want to submit to men. However, in the social environment today women are unwilling to submit to their husbands. They demand to be the dominant person in the relationship, even among women in the church. Their husbands say "I preside but she conducts" but means that she refuses to let him lead. She has been taught by the gospel to follow her husband, she has been taught by society to control her husband, and she chooses the world over the gospel.

Men have a duty to surrender themselves and submit to the Lord. Women have a duty to surrender themselves and submit to their husbands and the Lord. A man will never know genuine happiness or peace until he submits to the Lord, and a woman will never know genuine happiness until she submits to both the Lord and her husband.

Opinions?

[simpleton]

1st cor. 11:
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God....

eph. 5:
22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband....

col. 3:
18Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. 19Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them. 20Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord...

gen. 3:
thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee...

But, oh well, all of the above quoted men were just male chauvinist pigs....

[Rose Garden]

Speaking of "Mormon feminists" - have you heard about this heinous group of supposed LDS women?

https://www.mormonwomenforethicalgovernment.org/

They seem to be just a bunch of unhappy social justice warriors who are "Mormon" (and "women"??) in name-only. I especially love that they dressed up, and had their young daughters dress up, in the decidedly ANTI-woman, ANTI-ethical, ANTI-Mormon, Muslim garb of oppression and abuse. I wonder if they'll have a mini-lesson at their next RS activity extolling the virtues of FGM?

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I looked over the site and it looks rather mundane. Just a bunch of women looking for non-violent ways to make political statements. I couldn't find any pictures like the ones here. Did I miss something?

[inho]

I looked over the site and it looks rather mundane. Just a bunch of women looking for non-violent ways to make political statements. I couldn't find any pictures like the ones here. Did I miss something?

I found link to this picture on that site:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUZvVXjDluq/
The accompanying text says:

Last Friday, members of MWEG participated in Meet the Muslims, an event held at the Utah Islamic Center with the goal of educating the public about the Islamic faith and strengthening community bonds. One of the speakers, Beverley, demonstrated how to wear hijab and what it means to her. Pictured is MWEG member Becky Soderquist and her daughter

That doesn't sound so bad. If it really is woman's free choice to wear hijab, so be it then. I, too, wear clothing that has a religious value for me.

[Rose Garden]

Just read Isaiah, he saw our day and this is us to the T..

Isaiah 3:12....

12As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

I recall reading those words last November or December in 2 Nephi 13:12 and they really hit me hard. I have known of children to make false reports to CPS because they don't get what they want, I have known men who were physically abused by their wives or girlfriends only to be arrested when the police show up, and I have seen several cases of men setting up hidden cameras in their houses so they can prove that they were the victims instead of the perpetrators when a woman gets upset and violent.

I have a theory explaining the popularity of the Fifty Shades books, that these books are so popular (even among a significant number of LDS women) because they have turned from gospel truth. The 50 Shades books have a theme of bondage, domination, and submission, and I believe that on a deep level women want to submit to men. However, in the social environment today women are unwilling to submit to their husbands. They demand to be the dominant person in the relationship, even among women in the church. Their husbands say "I preside but she conducts" but means that she refuses to let him lead. She has been taught by the gospel to follow her husband, she has been taught by society to control her husband, and she chooses the world over the gospel.

Men have a duty to surrender themselves and submit to the Lord. Women have a duty to surrender themselves and submit to their husbands and the Lord. A man will never know genuine happiness or peace until he submits to the Lord, and a woman will never know genuine happiness until she submits to both the Lord and her husband.

Opinions?

I agree that men are to submit to the Lord and women to their husbands. I would note that their is an escape clause in that women aren't required to continually submit to men who have demonstrated a pattern of abuse. The law of justification can be brought into play so that women can justly stand up for themselves or remove themselves from these relationships without commendation from the Lord.

Of course, the same applies to men. I would also think that if a man has a domineering wife, he ought to initially submit as far as he can without compromising his relationship with the Lord so that he can some day qualify to receive greater strength and power from the Lord. The Lord did not discriminate between genders when he commanded us to turn the other cheek. Those who can suffer abuse patiently, trusting the Lord that there will be an end to their suffering, will not be neglected. There are lessons we came here to earth to learn and so for some of us, men and women, that means suffering abuse and looking to the Lord for relief.

[h_p]

I agree that men are to submit to the Lord and women to their husbands. I would note that their is an escape clause in that women aren't required to continually submit to men who have demonstrated a pattern of abuse. The law of justification can be brought into play so that women can justly stand up for themselves or remove themselves from these relationships without commendation from the Lord.

I was just thinking about that--one of the covenants women make in the endowment ceremony is to obey their husband as he obeys Father. I read that to mean "obey my husband the way he obeys Father." So if he's not living right, or is abusive or whatever, she's not bound to just sit there and take it.

[Rose Garden]

I agree that men are to submit to the Lord and women to their husbands. I would note that their is an escape clause in that women aren't required to continually submit to men who have demonstrated a pattern of abuse. The law of justification can be brought into play so that women can justly stand up for themselves or remove themselves from these relationships without commendation from the Lord.

I was just thinking about that--one of the covenants women make in the endowment ceremony is to obey their husband as he obeys Father. I read that to mean "obey my husband the way he obeys Father." So if he's not living right, or is abusive or whatever, she's not bound to just sit there and take it.

Yes, true.

However, I would note that because of the mote/beam syndrome, it's important for a wife to use the law of justification, found in D&C 98:22-32, before she begins refusing to obey her husband. This law says that you must bear trespasses patiently 3 times and then after that you are authorized to act against the person who is trespassing against you. Bearing trespasses patiently doesn't necessarily mean not defending yourself (although if it's only hurt feelings that are the problem then that would be best). The most important element of bearing something patiently is that you fully forgive them. When you do that, you're able to see the situation more clearly and you can understand better if you are at fault more than the other person. After bearing something patiently three times, you can be sure that the problem is a pattern of behavior and then you are justified before the Lord to take action against it.

[Fiannan]

I agree that men are to submit to the Lord and women to their husbands. I would note that their is an escape clause in that women aren't required to continually submit to men who have demonstrated a pattern of abuse. The law of justification can be brought into play so that women can justly stand up for themselves or remove themselves from these relationships without commendation from the Lord.

I was just thinking about that--one of the covenants women make in the endowment ceremony is to obey their husband as he obeys Father. I read that to mean "obey my husband the way he obeys Father." So if he's not living right, or is abusive or whatever, she's not bound to just sit there and take it.

Then that leaves a lot of room for interpretation. For instance, let's say you have three women married to priesthood holders. One husband verbally and occasionally physically abuses the wife, the other goes to Church but tells the wife that he doesn't believe in God and the other occasionally looks at naughty pics on the internet. Should each wife now feel she can do whatever she wishes...maybe get sterilized secretly even though she knows the husband wants another child? Should she feel justified in not having relations with him? Should she divorce him? I think there are a lot of divorces taking place in the last category and the women believing as justified as if she were the wife in the first. I wonder if anyone has undertaken a study on LDS divorces to find out what the main reasons are.

[h_p]

I think Meili's got it right, and I 100% agree with her last comment. A good marriage requires a lot of give-and-take, a lot of humility, a lot of communication, and a lot of forgiveness, from both partners. This is as it should be.

And to Fiannan's point, yes, there's a lot of room for interpretation, just like practically everything else in the gospel. I think that's also as it should be. Individuals are going to make mistakes, for which they'll be held accountable before God (and hopefully quickly repent) but I think this is better than the alternative, where women are institutionally oppressed into staying in abusive relationships.

[Sarah]

https://pjmedia.com/parenting/2017/05/2 ... -feminist/

Overall very good advice. But remember, not all feminist are overweight social justice warriors protesting topless in public against "the patriarchy." Some go to Church and at first don't come across all that leftist. Watch what they say and how they say it -- and on issues of family if they say, "I may be Mormon, but..." take that as a red flag.

My father-in-law told my husband to find a young wife so he could train her.

[Fiannan]

https://pjmedia.com/parenting/2017/05/2 ... -feminist/

Overall very good advice. But remember, not all feminist are overweight social justice warriors protesting topless in public against "the patriarchy." Some go to Church and at first don't come across all that leftist. Watch what they say and how they say it -- and on issues of family if they say, "I may be Mormon, but..." take that as a red flag.

My father-in-law told my husband to find a young wife so he train her.

Reminded me of this video:

[Silver Pie]

My father-in-law told my husband to find a young wife so he could train her.

Sounds like a man all women should stay away from (I've heard that saying, too - and iirc all of the men who said that disrespected women, thought of them as inferior (even on the level of property), seemed to think women were stupid, and were often physically or emotionally abusive.

[Fiannan]

Feminism is based on hate while equality is based on respect.