Denver Snuffer’s Alma 34:34 change

[SJR3t2]

https://seekingyhwh.com/2017/05/20/denv ... 34-change/

[iWriteStuff]

Who cares?

[SJR3t2]

Many do, and I'm showing reasons why I don't agree with it.

[iWriteStuff]

Many do, and I'm showing reasons why I don't agree with it.

What you resist persists, my friend. Leave it be like the trash it is.

[SJR3t2]

Evil only needs the righteous to do nothing for it to get stronger my friend.

[AI2.0]

from your blog;

Denver seems to modify his talks when he publishes the transcripts. He did this with his Things to Keep us Awake at Night talk in St George also. Instead of doing an announcement of a revelation from God of how to change the scriptures, he slipped it into his transcript of his talk. One would think that a revelation from God would deserve at a minimum it’s own post. Where it is right now, one has to read through a transcript they might have already listened to, and not inclined to read it, as we all have busy lives and don’t necessarily have time to read a transcript of a talk we have already listened to. I don’t know about you but I have lots I want to research to understand more fully, and blog posts I want to write, but I am only one man, and have to prioritize what I do.

One thing to keep in mind this new scripture project is changing how scriptures are referenced. In the LDS version of the scriptures the verse he is referencing is Alma 34:34, in the new scriptures project it is Alma 13 I don’t know the sentence number, as the project is not doing verses.

Here is what is stated on page 10 of the transcript “Original text is shown below in black print, and revised replacement text in red print and cross-out showing deletions revealed by the Lord: “.

Here is this proposed changed on page 11.

Alma 13:
…that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.
…the same spirit you hearken to obey while living in the flesh shall, upon your death, have the same power to influence you to hearken unto that spirit in the next life.

It is interesting that you say Denver Snuffer modifies the transcripts which were made from his talks. For someone who seems to be such a stickler against change, you'd think he wouldn't be inclined to do this. /:)

Also, you say that his Book of Mormon Alma 34 is Alma 13. He must have removed quite a bit of content for that to have happened.

Denver Snuffer must fancy himself to be a modern day Martin Luther.

[SJR3t2]

Read his talk, he says he added that section after the fact.

He didn't remove a lot of content, the group is changing the numbering system. RLDS has a different numbering system, and ever the LDS church has had 2 different numbering systems.

[BTH&T]

Read his talk, he says he added that section after the fact.

He didn't remove a lot of content, the group is changing the numbering system. RLDS has a different numbering system, and ever the LDS church has had 2 different numbering systems.

"IWrite" had a better idea, avoid it altogether. Just leave it be!

[SJR3t2]

Evil only needs the righteous to do nothing for it to get stronger.

[Shimdidly]

I appreciate your analysis of this issue, SJR3t2. I am among those that don't put any stock into what Mr. Snuffer says, but your post may be helpful for persuading back those who have been led astray by him.

[BTH&T]

Evil only needs the righteous to do nothing for it to get stronger.

Gaining a strong testimony is doing something.
Reading the Scriptures as God has presented them, with much prayer and fasting is a better way to fight evil.
This is how we fight it, to put on the Armor of God

[SJR3t2]

Are we not to warn others and help others to return to the law? Where does the scriptures actually say that?

Helaman 15:7 And behold, ye do know of yourselves, for ye have witnessed it, that as many of them as are brought to the knowledge of the truth, and to know of the wicked and abominable traditions of their fathers, and are led to believe the holy scriptures, yea, the prophecies of the holy prophets, which are written, which leadeth them to faith on the Lord, and unto repentance, which faith and repentance bringeth a change of heart unto them—

[BTH&T]

Are we not to warn others and help others to return to the law? Where does the scriptures actually say that?

Helaman 15:7 And behold, ye do know of yourselves, for ye have witnessed it, that as many of them as are brought to the knowledge of the truth, and to know of the wicked and abominable traditions of their fathers, and are led to believe the holy scriptures, yea, the prophecies of the holy prophets, which are written, which leadeth them to faith on the Lord, and unto repentance, which faith and repentance bringeth a change of heart unto them—

D&C 109:7
"And as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom; yea, seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom, seek learning even by study and also by faith;"

When we have the Book of Mormon, why go to a tainted source?
I'll search from the "Best Books" and strive for wisdom and understanding to warn my neighbor.
I don't have to play with poisonous snakes to know they are dangerous, why search what you know to be false?

[SJR3t2]

Um if you look at my post I rely very much on the BoM.

In a like manner people would ask if you have the BoM why do you rely on your leaders?

[acanais58]

Read his talk, he says he added that section after the fact.

He didn't remove a lot of content, the group is changing the numbering system assurances deces. RLDS has a different numbering system, and ever the LDS church has had 2 different numbering systems.

Thank you for the clarification. It is true that the church has changed since the death of John Smith.

[AI2.0]

Read his talk, he says he added that section after the fact.

He didn't remove a lot of content, the group is changing the numbering system. RLDS has a different numbering system, and ever the LDS church has had 2 different numbering systems.

Here's the problem. I don't want to read his talk again. I read it back when they put the transcript out, like all his stuff, it was very long. I think that many of us on this forum have already figured out that Denver Snuffer and his 'teachings' are a waste of time and so, if we have to slog through his writings in order to discuss your findings, or combat evil, I'd rather find another way to do so--reading his stuff is a chunk of my time I could be reading more edifying truths. Sorry.

But, I was interested in the edited, cliff notes version, if you were willing to share that.

[SJR3t2]

Then don't read the talk again. I quote the small parts about the change to Alma 34:34.

Personally I believe if you want to help those who believe in Denver Snuffer it might be good to be somewhat familiar with what is going on.

[Silver Pie]

It is interesting that you say Denver Snuffer modifies the transcripts which were made from his talks

He clarifies what he has said. He expounds in some places. He fixes spoken errors (e.g. said "articles of faith" in Boise/Lecture 1 when he really meant to say "Lectures on Faith") and includes things he started to say, but got sidetracked. Everyone who listens much to him knows he does this. Many look forward to the transcripts because they are different. He has never made it a secret. This is not to defend him, but to explain it.

[Silver Pie]

I can see SJR3t2's point. We are supposed to warn people if we see they are not following Christ. I can also see AI2.0's point. For example, now people know there is a change in Alma 34:34. Out of curiosity, they may search for it. It may change their trajectory - for the better or for the worse.

[SJR3t2]

He clarifies what he has said. He expounds in some places. He fixes spoken errors (e.g. said "articles of faith" in Boise/Lecture 1 when he really meant to say "Lectures on Faith") and includes things he started to say, but got sidetracked. Everyone who listens much to him knows he does this. Many look forward to the transcripts because they are different. He has never made it a secret. This is not to defend him, but to explain it.

He also regularly adds to them, like in this case.

[Silver Pie]

He expounds in some places.

He also regularly adds to them, like in this case.

That's what I meant by "expound" - in other words, expounding on the subject. (presenting and explaining his ideas)

[SJR3t2]

He also adds things that are new like these scriptures changes he claims that are from God instead of announcing them separately.

[Silver Pie]

Yep, he does.