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iWriteStuff wrote: May 30th, 2017, 7:33 am
Silver wrote: May 30th, 2017, 1:51 am Well, speaking of interests, here's an article that came out on Memorial Day. Sadly, the Trump supporters are no more likely to repent after reading it than they were after reading my comments in the preceding post. The blowback will be well deserved.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-29/memoriam-2017

In Memoriam, 2017

by Tyler Durden
May 29, 2017 10:00 PM

Authored by Robert Gore via StraightLineLogic.com,

You don’t fight for your country, you fight for your government.
The Golden Pinnacle, by Robert Gore
Did you see the comment about North Korea below the article?
Something is going on....Let me tell you. I got 1st hand knowledge today. I spent the day with some Texans who have kids in the military, they just got called up to go to south korea, without notice and they had major gas attack training. The parents said they won't say what's going on but that the kids are concerned. Then on the way home I saw a massive military convoy a mile long headed east ....I have drove that way for many years, never seen anything like it. I think an attack on NK is imminent.
Man I hope he's wrong... but Mattis saying on Sunday "We don't need no stinking red lines.... we don't even need to wait until they have a warhead tipped ICBM" plus the third aircraft carrier.... What if we're going to war?
Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.

Trump is a traitor and a liar. Hillary's not in jail and getting paid for speeches. Jon Corzine is still walking around. The youth of America are once again going to have to pay for the sins of our leaders with their lives. Rise up, Captain Moroni. Rise up.

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Silver wrote: May 30th, 2017, 7:57 am Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.

Trump is a traitor and a liar. Hillary's not in jail and getting paid for speeches. Jon Corzine is still walking around. The youth of America are once again going to have to pay for the sins of our leaders with their lives. Rise up, Captain Moroni. Rise up.
I don't know about you, but it kind of made my blood boil to see pundits falling all over themselves to congratulate Trump on saying nice things at Arlington. The dude is a draft dodger and a perverted coward.
“It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there. It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave solider,” Trump said in the interview when Howard Stern asked how he handled making sure he wasn’t contracting STDs from the women he was sleeping with.

The business-mogul-turned-politician elaborated on the fact in the interview, calling women’s vaginas “potential landmines” and saying “there’s some real danger there.”

“You know, if you’re young, and in this era, and if you have any guilt about not having gone to Vietnam, we have our own Vietnam — it’s called the dating game,” Trump said to Stern in a 1993 interview. “Dating is like being in Vietnam. You’re the equivalent of a soldier going over to Vietnam.
http://people.com/politics/trump-boaste ... l-vietnam/

It makes me want to throw up. Now he's going to send kids to die in North Korea and for what? He's actively bombing Syria and for what? If John Kerry was "unfit for command" (and he was), Trump is 1000x worse. This is tyranny of the unvirtuous and conservatives seem to be eating it up with delight.

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After Trump sent 59 Tomahawks into Syria even a commentator on CNN made ridiculous statements like, "Tonight he became my President." And yet, the cheerleaders here can never see that there is collusion at the top and nothing significant has improved under the new guy.

Democrats = Republicans = Gadiantons

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Silver wrote: May 30th, 2017, 8:21 am After Trump sent 59 Tomahawks into Syria even a commentator on CNN made ridiculous statements like, "Tonight he became my President." And yet, the cheerleaders here can never see that there is collusion at the top and nothing significant has improved under the new guy.

Democrats = Republicans = Gadiantons
Not to turn this into a Trump bashing thread, but I would like to state clearly and for the record that the man is no Conservative, nor friend to conservatives. Perhaps the only thing worse than his words and behavior is listening to Conservatives defend him when he so clearly and unmistakably betrays their principles.
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Bush was no conservative either. Neither was his daddy. Neither was Reagan. Neither was Nixon.

One good thing you can say about Democrats is that they don't pretend to be conservative like the hypocritical Republicans do.

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Interesting thought on human governments and war:
Go to any power that has existed upon this earth, and you will find that earthly government, earthly rule and dominion, have been obtained by the sword. It was the sword of men that first put them in possession of this power. They have walked up to their thrones through rivers of blood, through the clotted gore and the groans of the dying, and through the tears and lamentations of bereaved widow's and helpless orphans; and hence the common saying is, "Thrones won by blood, by blood must be maintained." By the same principle that they have been put in possession of territory, have they sought to sustain themselves − the same violence, the same fraud, and the same oppression have been made use of to sustain their illegitimacy.
- John Taylor, April 8, 1853, JD 1:225
And yet we continue our conquest of foreign nations, which must then be maintained by more blood and violence. Is that why the United States was brought into being? To pound democracy down the throats of weaker nations?
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here's another good quote from super liberal John Taylor:
Authority, dominion, rule, government has been obtained by fraud, and consequently is not legitimate. They say much about the ordination of kings, and their being anointed by the grace of God, &c. What think you of a murderer slaying hundreds and thousands of his fellow−creatures because he has the power, and while his sword is yet reeking with human blood, having a priest in sacerdotal robes to anoint him to the kingship? They have done it. What think you of the cries of the widows, the tears of the orphans, and the groans of the dying, mingling with the prayers and blessings of the priest upon the head of the murderer of their husbands and their fathers?

It is impossible that there can be any legitimate rule, government, power, or authority, under the face of the heavens, except that which is connected with the kingdom of God, which is established by new revelation from heaven.
- John Taylor, April 8, 1853

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this guy was just an architect in Hitler's administration, but he had some pretty good insights about the use of technology in obtaining power and manipulating the will of the people:
Hitler's dictatorship differed in one fundamental point from all its predecessors in history. His was the first dictatorship in the present period of technical development, a dictatorship which made complete use of all technical means for the domination of its own country. Through technical means like the radio and the loud-speaker, eighty million people were deprived of independent thought. It was thereby possible to subject them to the will of one man.
- Albert Speer, Nuremberg: The War Crimes Trial
How many independent thinking individuals are left in our culture?

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hey all y'all anti Bilderberg people. What do you think of this year's list of attendees?

Brennan, John O. (USA), Senior Advisor, Kissinger Associates Inc. (Former director of CIA)
Cohen, David S. (USA), Former Deputy Director, CIA
Cotton, Tom (USA), Senator (REPUBLICAN)
Graham, Lindsey (USA), Senator (REPUBLICAN)
Kissinger, Henry A. (USA), Chairman, Kissinger Associates Inc. (REPUBLICAN)
McAuliffe, Terence (USA), Governor of Virginia (DEMOCRAT)
McMaster, H.R. (USA), National Security Advisor (SERVING IN TRUMP ADMIN)
Petraeus, David H. (USA), Chairman, KKR Global Institute
Ross, Wilbur L. (USA), Secretary of Commerce (SERVING IN TRUMP ADMIN)
Schadlow, Nadia (USA), Deputy Assistant to the President, National Security Council (SERVING IN TRUMP ADMIN)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-0 ... ess-report

Our government is owned and run by these guys.

Connect the dots. Gadiantons are running the show, even now. The swamp didn't get drained - they just played a game of musical chairs.

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iWriteStuff wrote: June 1st, 2017, 11:56 am hey all y'all anti Bilderberg people. What do you think of this year's list of attendees?

Brennan, John O. (USA), Senior Advisor, Kissinger Associates Inc. (Former director of CIA)
Cohen, David S. (USA), Former Deputy Director, CIA
Cotton, Tom (USA), Senator (REPUBLICAN)
Graham, Lindsey (USA), Senator (REPUBLICAN)
Kissinger, Henry A. (USA), Chairman, Kissinger Associates Inc. (REPUBLICAN)
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McAuliffe, Terence (USA), Governor of Virginia (DEMOCRAT)
McMaster, H.R. (USA), National Security Advisor (SERVING IN TRUMP ADMIN)
Petraeus, David H. (USA), Chairman, KKR Global Institute
Ross, Wilbur L. (USA), Secretary of Commerce (SERVING IN TRUMP ADMIN)
Schadlow, Nadia (USA), Deputy Assistant to the President, National Security Council (SERVING IN TRUMP ADMIN)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-0 ... ess-report

Our government is owned and run by these guys.

Connect the dots. Gadiantons are running the show, even now. The swamp didn't get drained - they just played a game of musical chairs.
Facts are hard, iWriteStuff. You're so brutal.

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The way the Republican Party encompasses the duality of "anti-big government" and "Kissinger & Trump & Bilderbergers" is breath-taking. The party that gave us the Patriot Act and the NDAA of 2012 is supposed to save us from Hillary? I'd laugh at the idea if it weren't so sobering. And yet the sheeple, just eat up trite slogans like, "Lock her up!" What a sad state of affairs.

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"But, behold, the judgments of God will overtake the wicked; and it is by the wicked that the wicked are punished; for it is the wicked that stir up the hearts of the children of men unto bloodshed."
- Mormon 4:5
If you like your bloodshed, you can keep your bloodshed. Nothing has changed in terms of foreign policy except an escalation of violence and threats of violence abroad. Ask yourself where that comes from and if you really want to be a part of that.

"The tragedy of the Book of Mormon is not what became of the Nephites but what the Nephites became."
- Hugh Nibley

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Administrations, both Democrat and Republican, come and go-but the C.F.R. lingers on. This is why the more things seem to change, the more they remain the same. The fix is in at the top, where the same coterie of Insiders, bent on control of the world, runs the show.
- None Dare Call It Conspiracy
Ask yourself if the course to war has been altered since the election. Or has it accelerated? Ask yourself if the influence of international bankers has diminished since the election. Or has it increased? Ask yourself if the volume of socialist legislation has decreased since the election. Or has it increased?

Rather than rhetoric, let's examine evidence. Where are we headed as a nation?

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Satan's masterpiece of counterfeiting is the doctrine that there are only two choices, and he will show us what they are. It is true that there are only two ways, but by pointing us the way he wants us to take and then showing us a fork in that road, he convinces us that we are making the vital choice, when actually we are choosing between branches in his road. Which one we take makes little difference to him, for both lead to destruction. This is the polarization we find in the world today. Thus we have the choice between Shiz and Coriantumr-- which all the Jaredites were obliged to make. We have the choice between the wicked Lamanites (and they were that) and the equally wicked (Mormon says "more wicked") Nephites. Or between the fleshpots of Egypt and the stews of Babylon, or between the land pirates and the sea pirates of World War I, or between white supremacy and black supremacy, or between Vietnam and Cambodia, or between Bushwhachers and Jayhawkers, or between China and Russia, or between Catholic and Protestant, or between fundamentalist and atheist, or between right and left-- all of which are true rivals who hate each other. A very clever move of Satan!-- a subtlety that escapes us most of the time. So I ask Latter-day Saints, "What is your position frankly (I'd lake to take a vote here) regarding the merits of cigarettes vs. cigars, wine vs. beer, or heroin vs. LSD?" It should be apparent that you take no sides. By its nature the issue does not concern you. It is simply meaningless as far as your life is concerned. "What, are you not willing to stand up and be counted?" No, I am not. The Saints took no sides in that most passionately partisan of wars, the Civil War, and they never regretted it.”
― Hugh Nibley
What should we really be choosing? The Kingdom of God and His righteousness. The commandment is "Choose the right", not "Choose the right party".

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"The interesting thing about our age is that not many people are really fooled – we are going into perdition with our eyes open; the separation of the tares and the wheat is to be strictly a free-will affair. A few questions rightly put can wangle an admission from the most completely hypnotized subject to the effect that he knows he is being fooled and is only playing anyway. That is exactly the way the Germans react to the same treatment. Like men in a trance even the firmest of them will suddenly break out with the abrupt admission (which always comes as a surprise) that they knew all along it was only make-believe and never actually believed all that stuff. Wherever you go in our own society you find great numbers of people behaving as if they were frightened to death of being disillusioned – getting touchier every minute, just like the South did before the Civil War."
- Hugh Nibley, letter written home from a trench in Holland during Operation Market Garden, Oct. 23, 1944
To quote a veteran of the D-Day invasion, a man who knew war first hand while fighting in the 101st Airborne division, and yet who knew and recognized war for what it is. He volunteered, enlisted, despite already having his PhD. He saw first hand what war does, and spent the rest of his life speaking against war and proclaiming peace.

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Hey, even Joseph Smith saw this coming:
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iWriteStuff wrote: June 9th, 2017, 1:43 pm Hey, even Joseph Smith saw this coming:

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I'm the Gospel Doctrine teacher in my ward. Last week we studied the 2nd Coming and the reading material for that chapter in the manual includes Section 29. I promised myself if we read that verse in class that instead of asking for a reader, I would take it and substitute "tuba" in the appropriate place.

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"However political parties may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."
- George Washington, Farewell Address

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iWriteStuff wrote: June 9th, 2017, 1:43 pm Hey, even Joseph Smith saw this coming:

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Several resembles Seven as Few resembles Four or Five. Several resembles Long as Few resembles Short. Therefore a long time is Seven or more years.

Or in this case, precisely 7 in keeping with time periods typical of feast and/or famine. Image

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BeNotDeceived wrote: June 12th, 2017, 10:14 am
iWriteStuff wrote: June 9th, 2017, 1:43 pm Hey, even Joseph Smith saw this coming:

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Several resembles Seven as Few resembles Four or Five. Several resembles Long as Few resembles Short. Therefore a long time is Seven or more years.

Or in this case, precisely 7 in keeping with time periods typical of feast and/or famine. Image
I'm fairly certain you're trying to say something profound, but I'm just not getting it. Are our 7 years of famine over or just beginning? Or are you of the opinion that a feast is at hand?

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Here is a direct link to an earlier post

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Must go now; more info to follow. :)

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BeNotDeceived wrote: June 12th, 2017, 3:55 pm Here is a direct link to an earlier post

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I admire your bravery in putting numbers out there.... I somewhat doubt the premise that 7 years of feast are what we will get with Trump, but time will tell I suppose. No need to burden anyone with my lengthy economic opinion on the matter. It will be what it will be. The question is whether you are prepared for it to go the other direction. Can you endure a famine?

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iWriteStuff wrote: June 13th, 2017, 7:29 am
BeNotDeceived wrote: June 12th, 2017, 3:55 pm Here is a direct link to an earlier post

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Must go now; more info to follow. :)
I admire your bravery in putting numbers out there.... I somewhat doubt the premise that 7 years of feast are what we will get with Trump, but time will tell I suppose. No need to burden anyone with my lengthy economic opinion on the matter. It will be what it will be. The question is whether you are prepared for it to go the other direction. Can you endure a famine?
For a time I would often engage Christians in online forums and frequently their definition of words were different. One day I was writing something and needed to decide if a certain quantity of things was best described as several or few. Several and Seven start with the same four letters and generally fits common usage.

Your "Long Trump" caption unexpectedly connected a name. Long too is a loosely defined word that is often used i.e. one of the morning news reports mentioned a "Long Silence" by the Attorney General. Four seconds is the standard silence between songs when making audio recordings where a long silence is not desired. So a long silence is more than four seconds and seven years looks to fit with what is described as a long (Donald) Trump. Prolly an over analysis of common terms, but it's just a way to present an idea that may prove more useful in similar scenarios.

Oftentimes we expect spectacular occurrences, when really me must distinguish imagery from the background noise as President Faust described when he spoke of using a crystal to tune a radio to a specific frequency. Presidents serve 4 or 8 year terms, but it takes about 100 days for their policies to go into effect and they go lame-duck when the selection of the next president begins, so really a two term presidents period of influence is approximately 7 years.

I'll create a direct link for this post as a way to link posts that are located on separate threads. Others may find this a helpful technique and capturing the direct link is really easy, just copy the URL from your browser address bar when you submit your post. Once copied you can paste the link by editing your post.

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iWriteStuff wrote: June 13th, 2017, 7:29 am
BeNotDeceived wrote: June 12th, 2017, 3:55 pm Here is a direct link to an earlier post

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6189&p=780086#p780086

Must go now; more info to follow. :)
I admire your bravery in putting numbers out there.... I somewhat doubt the premise that 7 years of feast are what we will get with Trump, but time will tell I suppose. No need to burden anyone with my lengthy economic opinion on the matter. It will be what it will be. The question is whether you are prepared for it to go the other direction. Can you endure a famine?
Likely my location won't be affected by a shortage of food, but being on a tropical island we're dependent on delivery of diesel fuel, hence my heightened interest in OTEC, which could also supply fresh water in the event of drought. Image

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