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Hello and welcome to Ether's Avenue! Here we find a collection of news articles that reject the false dichotomy of two party hegemony and embrace the opinion that perhaps neither one of them is right.

It is the sworn purpose and intent of the forthcoming news and opinions to demonstrate that at their core, the Republicans and Democrats are the Left and Right hands of the Party of Gadianton. As twin members of the same body politic, neither party is capable of representing their voting constituents due to the fact that both are deeply committed to serving their core interest only. What is their core interest? To "get above you" and to "get power and gain" (Ether 8, inclusive). The few, the proud, the empowered. These are they who move the hands to enslave us and rob us of our liberty.

We urge you to look upon the following not as Republicans or Democrats, but as citizens of a free nation.We leave it to you to decide objectively whether those you have elected to represent you serve your interests or their own.

We urge you to decide whose side you are on, and encourage you to be on the Lord's side. We urge you to "...behold all the doings of the people" as Ether did (ch. 8), and, rather than "gathering together the people" to the camp of Shiz or Coriantumr, come join Ether.
"We desire that the Latter-day Saints will exercise the liberty wherewith they have been made free by the gospel of Jesus Christ; for they are entitled to know the right from the wrong, to see the truth and draw the line between it and error; and it is their privilege to judge for themselves and to act upon their own free agency with regard to their choice as to sustaining or otherwise those who should exercise the presiding functions among them. We desire the Latter-day Saints to exercise their prerogative, which is, to vote as the Spirit of the Lord prompts them on the measures and the men that may be presented to them.”
- President Joseph F. Smith, 1904 October General Conference
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I like this. Ether clearly demonstrated what happens when unrighteous dominion (D&C 121) is the driving force of a society.

Thanks for starting this thread, iWriteStuff.

Regarding the sickness of Red vs. Blue US politics, I edit my post to add this:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-0 ... an-walking

Paul Craig Roberts Warns American Democracy Is "A Dead Man Walking"

May 5, 2017 2:00 AM

Authored by Paul Craig Roberts,

Trump’s “sell-out,” as it is called, coming on top of Obama’s eight-year “sell-out,” is instructive. We have now had a Democratic president who sold out the people who elected him and a Republican president who has done the same thing. This is a very interesting point, the meaning of which most people miss.

But not Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin. At the Valdai discussion club, Putin summed up Western democracy, which I paraphrase as follows:

In the West, voters cannot change policies through elections, because the ruling elites control whoever is elected. Elections give the appearance of democracy, but voting does not change the policies that favor war and the elites. Therefore, the will of the people is impotent.

People are experiencing that they and their votes have no influence on the conduct of affairs of the country. This makes them afraid, frusrated, and angry, a combination of emotions that is dangerous to the ruling elite, who in response organize the powers of the state against the people, while urging them with propaganda to support more wars.
Obama promised to get out of Afghanistan or Iraq or perhaps it was both. He promised to reverse the police state created by the George W. Bush regime. He promised to focus American resources on American domestic problems, such as health care.

But what did he do? He expanded the wars and launched new ones, destroyed Libya and attempted to destroy Syria, but was stopped by British non-participation and Russian objection. Obama overthrew democratic governments in Honduras and Ukraine. He expanded the police state. He began the demonization of Russia and Putin. He betrayed the American people again by allowing the private insurance industry to write his health care plan known as Obamacare. The private interests wrote a plan that diverts public monies from health care to their profits.

All of this is forgotten when the ruling elites and the presstitutes that serve only them refocused the demonization on Trump. Suddenly, it was the president-elect of the United States who was the main danger to the US and the American people. Trump was a Russian agent. He had conspired with Putin to steal the US election from Hillary Clinton and make the White House a partner of Putin’s alleged reconsruction of the Soviet Empire.

The nonsense was hot and furious, and it was effective. Trump succumbed to pressure and sacrificed his National Secuity Advisior, who was supportive of Trump’s promise to normalize relations with Russia. Trump replaced him with a Russophobic idiot who apparantly cannot wait to see mushroom clouds over cities all over the Western world.

Why did two presidents in succession completely sell out the people who voted for them?

The answer is that presidents are not as powerful as the interest groups who make the decisions.

Trump was going to get us out of Syria, so he committed an unambigious war crime by gratuitously attacking Syria with Tomahawk missiles.

Trump was going to normalize relations with Russia, so his Secretary of State announces that US economic sanctions will stay on Russia until Russia hands over to Ukraine the Russian Crimean naval base on the Black Sea.

It is impossible to normalize relations when the cost to the other party of the normalization is national suicide.

Despite Trump’s complete surrender to the powers that be, today (May 2) on NPR I heard raw propaganda dressed up as “expert opinion” that Trump is biased against the media, when what all of us have seen is massive media bias against Trump, including the program to which I was listening.

For example, NPR had accumulated “experts” who said that Trump had slandered Obama by accusing him of intercepting his comunications. NPR said nothing about the Obama regime’s charge that Trump conspired with Putin to steal the election from Hillary Clinton.

If anything was slander, this was, but all the talk was about how Obama could sue Trump.

But, of course, both are public figures, and neither can sue the other.

I wonder why NPR’s “expert” didn’t get around to this point.

Why is the ruling oligarchy still using its presstitutes to campaign against a president who has surrendered to them?

Perhaps the answer is that the real powers that be are going to make an example out of Trump so that never again does a person running for elected office make a populist appeal to the electorate.
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Republican Congress: "ObamaCare is so bad that we couldn't wait to give you something even worse, which none of us have even read and even fewer understand. Basically it punishes the sick, unemployed, and aging population so if you know what's good for you, never get sick, older, or lose your job. You're welcome. #WinningBigly!"
Republicans’ health-care bill would be comical if it weren’t so dangerous

In a Washington used to the accidentally comic stylings of congressmen like Louie Gohmert and Ted Yoho, it’s still surprising when a real comedian like Jimmy Kimmel knows more about policy than they do.

But Kimmel’s moving monologue this week about his newborn son’s brush with death made us suspect he did.

And House Republicans’ performance on the American Health Care Act proved it.

You have your elected representatives voting for a bill they haven’t read, whose impacts they don’t know.

The bill that passed the House Thursday in a party-line 217-213 vote should, in all seriousness, be rechristened the Drunk Drivers’ Health Care Act. The way Republicans passed it is just that reckless.

And it will kill even more people than drunk driving does — about as many as drunk driving used to, before a bipartisan crackdown that began in the 1980s when government exercised more common sense and had some regard for data.

Let’s talk first about how reckless it is.

The House passed the bill without waiting for the Congressional Budget Office to deliver its “score,” Capitol lingo for estimates of how much the bill will cost and how many people stand to lose their health insurance under the bill.

Given that President Trump’s first effort at a health-care bill hit the skids in late March after the CBO said 24 million people would lose coverage if it passed, that’s a pretty major omission. The CBO’s score will be ready soon, in plenty of time for any but the most-rushed consideration by the Senate, and the new score is expected to be just as dire.

There’s a reason that polls show more than 60% of voters want to keep the Affordable Care Act (ACA), or Obamacare, the law that Trump’s bill would replace.

Then you get into the litany of ways the bill would make health insurance worse or more expensive, helping explain why virtually every health-care-related interest group is vehemently against it. The way it would quintuple premiums for late-middle-aged Americans. The way it would gut the Medicaid expansion in the ACA. How it would essentially repeal the list of essential health benefits that must be covered, setting off price spirals in treating mental illness or using prescription drugs, or not covering them at all. And the way it would essentially end price protection and guaranteed coverage for people with pre-existing health conditions.

Forget about the $1.6 billion a year the amended bill set aside to cover high-risk pools for such folks — that’s a fig leaf. The amendment would cover only about 5% of what insurance for people like — well, like me — would require.

Then let’s talk about Rep. Tom Garrett admitting to MSNBC that GOP representatives haven’t even read the hastily drafted bill. “That’s why we have staff,” he said.

So you have your elected representatives voting for a bill they haven’t read, whose impacts they don’t know.

Let’s help them.

According to experts at Harvard University and the City University of New York, ending insurance for so many people would cost as many as 44,000 lives a year.

According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, drunk driving killed just over 10,000 people last year, or about a quarter of the number put at risk by negligent legislating.

Sure, estimates of how many people die from lack of insurance are based on statistical models, and the impact of lack of insurance is indirect — you die from delayed care, not lack of money itself. But as even Kimmel realized, with no more background in medical economics than parenting a sick newborn, one leads directly to the other.

The reasoning behind the bill is clear: It’s a tax cut for people making more than $350,000 a year, and for medical-device companies, which pay for most of ACA’s coverage expansion.

It’s a massive transfer of wealth upward that would undo, at a stroke, years of progress in ameliorating after-tax income inequality. And it will kill people — maybe not 44,000 yearly, but almost certainly tens of thousands over time.

That’s some Louie Gohmert-style comedy right there.

Fortunately, the Senate is likely to stop this bill, or volley it back to the House in a much more acceptable form, which will enrage the House’s right wing and cause an impasse. West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, a Democrat, called it dead on arrival, and GOP colleagues Tom Cotton of Arkansas, Rob Portman of Ohio and Shelley Capito of West Virginia have also signaled opposition.

But what Mothers Against Drunk Driving did in the 1980s is much like what Obamacare did: It began a process that cut drunk-driving deaths in half over time, just as ACA has contained medical inflation while pushing uninsured rates to record lows.

Repealing it to trim taxes on the 1%, then braying that you’ve struck a blow for freedom, is like throwing car keys to the drunkest guy at the bar.
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You know it's bad when even the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) calls you out. The National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 was given to us by a Republican Party dominated House of Representatives and signed into law by that revered Constitutional scholar, Barry Soetero, a Democrat.

https://www.aclu.org/feature/indefinite ... zation-act

INDEFINITE DETENTION, ENDLESS WORLDWIDE WAR AND THE 2012 NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT

On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), codifying indefinite military detention without charge or trial into law for the first time in American history. The NDAA’s dangerous detention provisions would authorize the president — and all future presidents — to order the military to pick up and indefinitely imprison people captured anywhere in the world, far from any battlefield.

The breadth of the NDAA’s worldwide detention authority violates the Constitution and international law because it is not limited to people captured in an actual armed conflict, as required by the laws of war. Under the Bush administration, similar claims of worldwide detention authority were used to hold even a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil in military custody, and many in Congress assert that the NDAA should be used in the same way. The ACLU does not believe that the NDAA authorizes military detention of American citizens or anyone else in the United States. Any president’s claim of domestic military detention authority under the NDAA would be unconstitutional and illegal. Nevertheless, there is substantial public debate around whether the NDAA could be read even to repeal the Posse Comitatus Act and authorize indefinite military detention without charge or trial within the United States.

Although President Obama issued a signing statement saying he had “serious reservations” about the NDAA’s detention provisions, the statement only applies to how his administration would use them, and would not affect how the law is interpreted by subsequent administrations. The provisions – which were negotiated by a small group of members of Congress, in secret, and without proper congressional review – are inconsistent with fundamental American values.

Both Congress and the president need to clean up the mess they have created. No one should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAA’s detention authority. The NDAA’s detention provisions must be repealed.

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You know it's bad when one of the lights of the conservative movement (although I certainly don't agree with some of what she has said in the past), Ann Coulter, trashes the Republicans like this.

https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoul ... 0-n2321868

Swamp People: 47 Trump: 0
Ann Coulter Ann Coulter |Posted: May 03, 2017 10:00 PM

Not only is there no funding for a wall, but -- thanks to the deft negotiating skills of House Speaker Paul Ryan -- the bill actually prohibits money from being spent on a wall.

At a CYA press conference on Tuesday, Trump's ridiculously chipper budget director, Mick Mulvaney, described the bill's prohibition on building a wall as a MAJOR win. (At least Mulvaney said it in English, unlike his all-Spanish 2014 townhall.)

True, there will be no wall. But the Democrats graciously agreed to allow the administration to fix broken parts of any existing fences on up to 40 miles of our 3,000-mile border.

The other big wins, according to Mulvaney, are:

1) more defense spending, which is fantastic news, because I was worried Boeing and Lockheed Martin CEOs were falling behind Mark Zuckerberg with their gluttonous salaries; and

2) school choice, an obsession of Washington wonks that is hated out in America, where parents move to high-tax towns for the express purpose of avoiding schools full of disaffected urban youth, and the disaffected urban youth don't want to spend two hours on a bus every day.

But Mulvaney assures us that this monstrosity of a spending bill has set things up beautifully for the next budget negotiation in October.

That has become the GOP's official motto: "Next time!"

We can never win this time. Instead, Republicans' idea is always to surrender this time, in hopes that their gentlemanliness will be rewarded by their mortal enemies next time. Then, next time comes, and Republicans again surrender in hopes of currying favor with the Democrats and the media for the next time.

Mulvaney's most disturbing comment was to say that what upset Trump the most was the Democrats' "spiking the football" on this deal.

Apparently, Trump's fine with no wall -- and everything else in a bill straight out of George Soros' dream journal -- if only the Democrats hadn't been so rude as to tell the public about it. When your main complaint is that the other side is gloating too much, maybe you're not that great a negotiator.

Yeah, sure, it's only 100 days in, it's an artificial deadline, the media is dying to say Trump has failed and so on.

Except: Planning for the wall should have begun on Nov. 9, and a spade should have been put into the earth to begin building it the day after Trump's inauguration. Now, it's 100 days later, and we still don't have the whisper of a prospect of a wall.

Moreover, this isn't one random bill funding Planned Parenthood (which this bill does). This is the budget deal. There won't be another one like it until next October.

That's a spectacular failure. Democrats have got to be pinching themselves, thinking, Am I dreaming this?

It's theoretically possible that Trump could still build a wall, but he's just massively lengthened the odds of ever prevailing. Sure, you can let the other team build a 20-point lead in first half and still come back to beat them, but it's a lot easier if you don't go into halftime 20 points down.

Trump entered the presidency with the only kind of power that matters. He didn't owe Wall Street a thing. He didn't owe anyone -- not donors, lobbyists nor any political party. What he had was the people, passionately on his side.

But as soon as he got into office, Trump started giving away his miraculous, unprecedented power. Hey, Wall Street! Even though you didn't give me any money, is it too late to be your friend?

No amount of abandoning his supporters will get Trump anywhere with Wall Street, Hollywood or the media. Their ferocity will simply shift to ridicule.

Admittedly, Trump has the enormous handicap of having to work through congressional Republicans, who are feckless cowards. If Speaker Ryan and Senate Leader Mitch McConnell had been around for Reagan's firing of the air traffic controllers, they would have been hysterically screaming, No! You can't do that -- the planes will crash!

This isn't new information. We knew Washington Republicans were useless. That's why we elected such a comically improbable president as Donald J. Trump.

The deal was that we were getting the Hollywood version of a New York businessman: an uncouth, incurious rube -- who would be ruthless in getting whatever he wanted.

In addition to being the only candidate for president in either party taking America's side on trade, immigration, jobs and crime, what set Trump apart was his promise that we would finally win.

Remember? There would be so much winning, we were going to get "sick and tired of winning," and beg him, "Please, please, we can't win anymore. ... It's too much. It's not fair to everybody else."

We're not winning. We're losing, and we're losing on the central promise of Trump's campaign.

How would Trump, the businessman, react if an underling charged with developing a new golf course could never break ground?

What if the subordinate's progress reports sounded like this: I have given 21 speeches to various chambers of commerce and neighborhood groups, assuring them that there's going to be a golf course. Everywhere I go, I say, "Don't worry about it. It's going to be built!" I have started a commission to study developing a golf course. I have put up a sign saying, "Golf course coming!" And I have caved, and caved, and caved -- so now our opponents know what good guys we are.

Trump would fire that employee so fast your head would spin.

We want the ruthless businessman we were promised." (close quote)

And some of the comments that follow the article:

James Pennington stahlie • a day ago
There is no reason to vote for either democrats or republicans.

rhondareichel James Pennington • a day ago
Cowards are scared to vote 3rd party....now we have Republicrats.

Roger Martin James Pennington • a day ago
Only reason is to vote for the lesser of evils.
Not much choice and Freshmen Politicians always seem to be corruptible.
Is it true that everyone has a price?

LeishaTeach Ransom Thulcandra • 20 hours ago
Trump. Democrat. Liberal. Except for the year or so of his campaign.

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That would be the Republican Party on the left, with the hapless sheeple on the right. Ether 8 is true.
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iWriteStuff wrote: May 5th, 2017, 7:03 am Hello and welcome to Ether's Avenue! Here we find a collection of news articles that reject the false dichotomy of two party hegemony and embrace the opinion that perhaps neither one of them is right.

It is the sworn purpose and intent of the forthcoming news and opinion to demonstrate that at their core, the Republicans and Democrats are the Left and Right Hands of the Party of Gadianton. As twin members of the same body politic, neither party is capable of representing their voting constituents due to the fact that both are deeply committed to serving their core interest only. What is their core interest? To "get above you" and to "get power and gain" (Ether 8, inclusive). The few, the proud, the empowered. These are they who move the hands to enslave us and rob us of our liberty.

We urge you to look upon the following not as Republicans or Democrats, but as citizens of a free nation.We leave it to you to decide objectively whether those you have elected to represent you serve your interests or their own.

We urge you to decide whose side you are on, and encourage you to be on the Lord's side. We urge you to "...behold all the doings of the people" as Ether did (ch. 8), and, rather than "gathering together the people" to the camp of Shiz or Coriantumr, come join Ether


"Perhaps neither one is right"? ... how about they have hardly ever been right, how about most if not all of the Democratic and Republican administrations have ultimately succumbed to the gadianton or conspiring powers that be, even if initially they might have had some good intentions...
I keep going back in my mind to the history of the church. What kind of presidential, congressional and senatorial administrations were had in those early days? For that matter not just the early days but even to the end of the 19th century and into the very early part of the 20th. How they treated the latter day saints was deplorable and outrageous. And that was even after the "Mormon battalion" served their country during the war with Mexico faithfully proving their allegiance to the United States. And what is even more interesting is that the call to arms by the federal government to the very people (Mormons) they were running out of the country was done with the intent by the existing administration (planned by the congress/senate and obviously approved by the president himself) to annihilate the Mormons when they refused, as the Congress/ Senate and President assumed ( and rightly so) that the Mormons would no way in hell volunteer 500 men under those dire circumstances. But yet to the surprise of the very conspirators themselves that call was met with compliance. And so we have the history of the Mormon battalion.
And then later you have Johnston's army ordered by another administration to annihilate the Mormons. ( at least they were hoping )
Then later you have Edmunds/Tucker act that completely disfranchised the Mormons. Then they seized all of the churches property and rented it back to them, Then with those unjust laws passed specifically against the Mormons and their church they threw hundreds of honorable men in jail, ripped them away from their family's, and for what awful crime did they commit?
Many other things were commited by corrupt administrations from those times in the early 1800s till today. But the point is, do we really expect at this very late day to see Justice? Virtue? Honesty?
And how about the redress that the early leaders of the church appealed for by the command of God to the Congress, Senate and President of the United States.
And president Martin Van Burens infamous reply...
The cup is filling up to the overflow and one day God will come out of His hiding place and vex this nation with vengeance and fury. At least that what the D&C and various scriptures tells us unless repentance and redress is made. But that is not happening.

But still, after the above thoughts this still applys :

Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.
Wherefore, be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet.

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"We're not winning. We're losing, and we're losing on the central promise of Trump's campaign."
I wonder - if it's not "we" who are winning, who is doing all the #WinningBigly? The minority party? How can that be? Trump assured us that this time he was really a Republican, despite voting for and financially supporting Democrats in the past.... :-?

I wondered at what stage the "R" pundits would wake up. I'm just surprised it took them this long.

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iWriteStuff wrote: May 5th, 2017, 9:37 am
"We're not winning. We're losing, and we're losing on the central promise of Trump's campaign."
I wonder - if it's not "we" who are winning, who is doing all the #WinningBigly? The minority party? How can that be? Trump assured us that this time he was really a Republican, despite voting for and financially supporting Democrats in the past.... :-?

I wondered at what stage the "R" pundits would wake up. I'm just surprised it took them this long.
Well, some of the R pundits make their sole living promoting the Red team. It's hard to convince a man that he's wrong when his livelihood depends on him believing that he's right. Coulter was on a Bill Maher show early in the 2016 election cycle, before any of the candidates had dropped out, and asked who of all the candidates would win. I saw just a clip of that portion of the broadcast because I can't stand to watch that guy's show. She said, without any hesitation, Trump. Ah, the laughs and jeers that ensued. She was right though, eh? So, I don't agree with her on some key issues, but she's got a good head on her. And she hasn't let corn syrup destroy her brain or physique either.

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simpleton wrote: May 5th, 2017, 9:34 am

"Perhaps neither one is right"? ... how about they have hardly ever been right, how about most if not all of the Democratic and Republican administrations have ultimately succumbed to the gadianton or conspiring powers that be, even if initially they might have had some good intentions...
I keep going back in my mind to the history of the church. What kind of presidential, congressional and senatorial administrations were had in those early days? For that matter not just the early days but even to the end of the 19th century and into the very early part of the 20th. How they treated the latter day saints was deplorable and outrageous. And that was even after the "Mormon battalion" served their country during the war with Mexico faithfully proving their allegiance to the United States. And what is even more interesting is that the call to arms by the federal government to the very people (Mormons) they were running out of the country was done with the intent by the existing administration (planned by the congress/senate and obviously approved by the president himself) to annihilate the Mormons when they refused, as the Congress/ Senate and President assumed ( and rightly so) that the Mormons would no way in hell volunteer 500 men under those dire circumstances. But yet to the surprise of the very conspirators themselves that call was met with compliance. And so we have the history of the Mormon battalion.
And then later you have Johnston's army ordered by another administration to annihilate the Mormons. ( at least they were hoping )
Then later you have Edmunds/Tucker act that completely disfranchised the Mormons. Then they seized all of the churches property and rented it back to them, Then with those unjust laws passed specifically against the Mormons and their church they threw hundreds of honorable men in jail, ripped them away from their family's, and for what awful crime did they commit?
Many other things were commited by corrupt administrations from those times in the early 1800s till today. But the point is, do we really expect at this very late day to see Justice? Virtue? Honesty?
And how about the redress that the early leaders of the church appealed for by the command of God to the Congress, Senate and President of the United States.
And president Martin Van Burens infamous reply...
The cup is filling up to the overflow and one day God will come out of His hiding place and vex this nation with vengeance and fury. At least that what the D&C and various scriptures tells us unless repentance and redress is made. But that is not happening.

But still, after the above thoughts this still applys :

Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.
Wherefore, be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet.
I'm not sure the Mormon Battalion issue was as cut and dried as that. I just finished a biography on Brigham and he seemed ok with the idea since it not only A) proved our loyalty to the constitution and country but B) helped fund the migration of the saints to the Salt Lake Valley. His term as Governor and head of Indian Affairs was in a similar vein - he used the Federal Government to help finance economic growth for the saints (railroad, telegraph, gifts to pacify indians, etc). The ultimate goal was to build up the kingdom of God such that it could stand economically independent from the Gentiles, and he did everything he could to facilitate that - even using the govt to sponsor it, although indirectly. In the end, the saints themselves turned from the United Order he tried to establish in the 1870s and brought Babylon into our midst for good.

But yeah, I agree with the majority of your statement. The Federal Government has not been our friend, nor have the political parties. In fact, alliances between us and the Democrats and Whigs (alternately) during the Nauvoo era was as much a cause of evil as anything else that could have happened. The political parties in power always turned against the rights of the Saints if they failed to get our votes (ie: "Vote for us or we'll make life very tough for you unpopular Mormons"). It's no different now. You should hear what Trump supporters call us in their circles - "American Jews". Very flattering, considering Mormons voted overwhelmingly for Trump....

God bless the day we can exercise our rights without the persecution of political parties or federal injustices.

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After campaigning as the great negotiator, Trump is revealed as nothing more than a puppet of the NWO/MIC.

I'm in the auto industry. Even the industry publications are starting to comment. What good is it to elect the falsely named "small government" party when they are warmongers like the rest of the politicians in Washington, DC?

http://wardsauto.com/industry/china-sal ... 428880c755

Chinese government fomentation of anti-Korean sentiment is a primary factor in a devastating 65% drop in Hyundai-Kia vehicle sales in the market in April, and little letup in government pressure is foreseen.

Total global sales for the two brands, including Korean domestic sales for April, tallied 364,225 vehicles, a 10% drop from March and a 12% decline from year-ago.

China is enraged South Korea has deployed an American missile defense system to guard against attacks from North Korea, but which also can detect any missile activity in much of China. The government is encouraging Chinese consumers to reject Korean-made products – notably cars.

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President J. M. Grant came to the front of the stage, and made the following remarks:
“I see before me men, and I believe the principal part, if not all of you whom I now behold, were in the renowned Mormon Battalion.
“I have read many narratives of the valor of men, and the service they had rendered to their country; but I here see a set of men that rendered service to their country-not such service as was rendered by the men who first raised the ax to break up the wild timber and clear the ground for cultivation; neither do I see that class of men who labored and fought to remove the obstacles that once existed in the United States; but I see men who have stood in defense of their country, under the most heartrending circumstances that human beings could be placed in; men having families and friends to leave on the open prairie; and, as our forefathers fought under General Washington and saved the country from the enemy, so did this Mormon Battalion save a large tract of land from being taken by the enemy, and they saved this people from being pounced upon by the militia of several States; for heartless villains had concocted plans to have all this people murdered while upon the western frontiers.
“You will all remember that I went to Washington, and I know from what I there learned, that the Hon. Thomas H. Benton advocated the necessity of raising troops and cutting off all the `Mormons’ from the face of the earth. Notwithstanding you had rendered your services, and offered your names to go and serve your country in the war with Mexico, yet, while you were doing this, one of the senators, and one of the principal men in the Senate, too, did endeavor to induce the Senate, the Cabinet, and the House of Representatives, to raise a force sufficiently strong to go out against the poor defenseless `Mormon’ women and children who were left upon the wild prairie unprotected. Yes, Mr. Thos. H. Benton wanted to take troops and pounce upon your wives and children when upon the banks of the Missouri River, and sweep them out of existence. And when the case was argued, the question was asked: `Supposing you cut off the men, what shall be done with the women and children?’ `O,’ said Benton, `if you argue the case, and wish to know what shall be done with the women, I say wipe them off, too.’ `Well, then,’ was asked, `what shall be done with the children?’ `Why,’ said Benton, `cut them off, men, women and children, for the earth ought to drink their blood;’ and the feeling was so strong upon the question that it came within a little of magnetizing the whole nation. What should we have done if we could not have argued that we had five hundred men upon the plains, engaged in the service of their country, and their wives and their children left without protection? What, I say, would have been the consequence if we had not had this plea? Israel must have been put upon the altar. And if we could not have raised the complement of men, what would have been the fate of this people? Israel must have been put in the tomb, unless by the interference of high heaven a ram had been found in the thicket. Yes, brethren, had it not been for this Battalion, a horrible massacre would have taken place upon the banks of the Missouri River. Then, I say, notwithstanding your hardships and the difficulties you passed through, you rendered service to the people of God that will ever be remembered, and such service as will bring blessings upon your heads in time and in eternity. And if your friends fell by the wayside; and if any of you lost your families, your wives or your children, and you sustain the people of God, you can depend upon a reward for all that you suffered, for you are the sons of God. This is the real relationship of this Battalion to the Lord Almighty. Our motto is, to sustain the constitution of the United States, and not abuse it; and we intend to live by it, and this is no chimera as some of our enemies might be pleased to call it. You have done a good work, and I say, may God bless you all, and may you honor God as you have honored your country, and all will go well with you from this time henceforth....

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simpleton wrote: May 5th, 2017, 10:28 am President J. M. Grant came to the front of the stage, and made the following remarks:
“I see before me men, and I believe the principal part, if not all of you whom I now behold, were in the renowned Mormon Battalion.
“I have read many narratives of the valor of men, and the service they had rendered to their country; but I here see a set of men that rendered service to their country-not such service as was rendered by the men who first raised the ax to break up the wild timber and clear the ground for cultivation; neither do I see that class of men who labored and fought to remove the obstacles that once existed in the United States; but I see men who have stood in defense of their country, under the most heartrending circumstances that human beings could be placed in; men having families and friends to leave on the open prairie; and, as our forefathers fought under General Washington and saved the country from the enemy, so did this Mormon Battalion save a large tract of land from being taken by the enemy, and they saved this people from being pounced upon by the militia of several States; for heartless villains had concocted plans to have all this people murdered while upon the western frontiers.
“You will all remember that I went to Washington, and I know from what I there learned, that the Hon. Thomas H. Benton advocated the necessity of raising troops and cutting off all the `Mormons’ from the face of the earth. Notwithstanding you had rendered your services, and offered your names to go and serve your country in the war with Mexico, yet, while you were doing this, one of the senators, and one of the principal men in the Senate, too, did endeavor to induce the Senate, the Cabinet, and the House of Representatives, to raise a force sufficiently strong to go out against the poor defenseless `Mormon’ women and children who were left upon the wild prairie unprotected. Yes, Mr. Thos. H. Benton wanted to take troops and pounce upon your wives and children when upon the banks of the Missouri River, and sweep them out of existence. And when the case was argued, the question was asked: `Supposing you cut off the men, what shall be done with the women and children?’ `O,’ said Benton, `if you argue the case, and wish to know what shall be done with the women, I say wipe them off, too.’ `Well, then,’ was asked, `what shall be done with the children?’ `Why,’ said Benton, `cut them off, men, women and children, for the earth ought to drink their blood;’ and the feeling was so strong upon the question that it came within a little of magnetizing the whole nation. What should we have done if we could not have argued that we had five hundred men upon the plains, engaged in the service of their country, and their wives and their children left without protection? What, I say, would have been the consequence if we had not had this plea? Israel must have been put upon the altar. And if we could not have raised the complement of men, what would have been the fate of this people? Israel must have been put in the tomb, unless by the interference of high heaven a ram had been found in the thicket. Yes, brethren, had it not been for this Battalion, a horrible massacre would have taken place upon the banks of the Missouri River. Then, I say, notwithstanding your hardships and the difficulties you passed through, you rendered service to the people of God that will ever be remembered, and such service as will bring blessings upon your heads in time and in eternity. And if your friends fell by the wayside; and if any of you lost your families, your wives or your children, and you sustain the people of God, you can depend upon a reward for all that you suffered, for you are the sons of God. This is the real relationship of this Battalion to the Lord Almighty. Our motto is, to sustain the constitution of the United States, and not abuse it; and we intend to live by it, and this is no chimera as some of our enemies might be pleased to call it. You have done a good work, and I say, may God bless you all, and may you honor God as you have honored your country, and all will go well with you from this time henceforth....
Ain't it interesting how Brigham and the Feds had two totally different ideas in mind re: the Mormon Battalion? Which one worked? To my mind, it seems a bit like the Egyptians sending troops after the hosts of Israel... didn't work out then, either.

I'm rather curious what you would propose should be our relationship to the Fed govt if not political parties in general. Thoughts?

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Brigham..

“What gave rise to the brethren being called upon to go into the United States service? I will tell you some things about it. Suppose it had been shown to you, that there were men in Washington, and influential, too, men who held control of the affairs of the nation, to a great degree, who had plotted to massacre this people, while on the frontiers in an Indian country, you would doubtless have gone to work to circumvent their plans; consequently, all we had to do was to beat them at their own game, which we did most successfully. I was, and am fully persuaded that a senator from Missouri did actually apply for, and receive permission from President Polk, to call upon the militia of Iowa, Illinois and Missouri, and if he wished more he had also authority to go to Kentucky and raise a force strong enough to wipe this people out of existence, provided that those men who had been driven from their homes should refuse to comply with the unjust demand upon us for troops. This circumstance you are all well acquainted with, and I need not speak more about it. It was most thoroughly and incontrovertibly proven that we were on hand, and that our loyalty was beyond question.
“Doubtless the spirits who surrounded the senator alluded to, said that this people were hostile to the government; and the President gave him permission to call upon the governors of the States I have mentioned (if we did not fill the tyrannical requisition for five hundred of our men) and get troops enough to march against us, and massacre us all. Without doubt, this was decreed in Washington, and I was moved upon to forestall it. As quick as this idea entered my mind it came to me, I will beat them at their own game. Did we not do it? I think we did....

So personally I do not expect the children of the prophet killers and the children of those that consented and applauded the killing of the prophets and the killing of the saints to be any better, as again no redress has been made, no apology, no nothing.

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I basically agree with everything that you all have said...What's the workable solution?

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DesertWonderer wrote: May 5th, 2017, 10:48 am I basically agree with everything that you all have said...What's the workable solution?
Let's use the Ether approach.

Step 1) Awareness. "...behold all the doings of the people."

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iWriteStuff wrote: May 5th, 2017, 11:14 am
DesertWonderer wrote: May 5th, 2017, 10:48 am I basically agree with everything that you all have said...What's the workable solution?
Let's use the Ether approach.

Step 1) Awareness. Become aware of the situation and make others aware.
Although they are currently mostly just a den of thieves, if Congress would reassert their Constitutional powers and stop Trump's wanton use of the military, America's standing in the world would improve dramatically. A majority of Americans oppose abortion except for its use in rare cases. If Congress would represent the voice of the people and firewall the Supreme Court off of this issue, the people would feel more confident in speaking up and the country as a whole would be worthy to again receive blessings from God.

Notice that the two aforementioned issues are directly related to the taking of life -- war and abortion. Can we please seek peace, can we become the peacemakers and stop killing God's children by the millions?

Trump is comfortably surrounded by a Zionist son-in-law, and by a cadre of CFR/NWO/Warmongers. Don't expect him to change.

The Supreme Court is occupied by nine headstrong high-and-mighty individuals. Don't expect them to change.

The Senate is made up of only 100 people. The NWO has bought off most of them. Don't expect much from there.

The House is made up of 435 individuals who live in your neighborhood. Start local.

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Soooooo, nothing can be done to help; it's all pointless?

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DesertWonderer wrote: May 5th, 2017, 1:00 pm Soooooo, nothing can be done to help; it's all pointless?
It's only pointless if you stop at Step 1. I'll give you some hints as to how I think change is brought about.

Step 2 is also from the Ether plan. What did he do after he was made aware of the wickedness of government and the determination of the Jaredites to engage in mutually assured destruction? He "came forth...to prophesy unto the people...he did cry from the morning, even until the going down of the sun, exhorting the people" (Ether 12:2-3).

Step 3 depends on how far gone we are as a people. If our message is rejected by the people as a whole, it seems your "pointless" point isn't too far off and we'll all end up "dwelling in the cavity of a rock" (Ether 13:13-14). But if in Steps 1 and 2 we find there are people willing to listen, we can take our Step 3 from Captain Moroni's playbook. That, to me, seems to jive more with prophecy anyway - the elders of Israel coming forth to rescue the constitution and such.

If I had to guess, I'd say we're still at Step 1 as a culture. If you want to move ahead a bit, perhaps you could start by practicing Step 2.

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Silver wrote: May 5th, 2017, 11:28 am
The House is made up of 435 individuals who live in your neighborhood. Start local.
You aren't wrong, but need to go a step or three closer to home. Elect city, county and state officials willing to nullify when FedGov oversteps.

With fear and trembling of being labeled a home-grown terrorist, we need individuals who are also willing to nullify on a principled level. (i.e. not the antifa rioters that are just a bunch of cry-bullies)

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Democrats = Republicans = Gadiantons

(Public service announcement to bring the thread back in line with the opening post.)

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DesertWonderer wrote: May 5th, 2017, 1:00 pm Soooooo, nothing can be done to help; it's all pointless?
Analyze history since the restoration. Have we as a nation become better, morally speaking? More pure? More charitable? More family oriented? Is our leaders whom we vote in divinely inspired from on high? And for that matter, how about the political leaders that have come from the church or are elected from Utah, are they divinely inspired? Are they truly interested in their constituents? Do they stand for morality? Do they stand for life? Or even better yet do they stand for God? (Harry Reid comes to mind) =;
I think if a man does not have integrity and honesty and is not a man of his word then He is not a man.
So question, what price is your integrity worth? How much would you sell out your integrity for? Or what is your price to compromise? 25k? 50k? 100k? 500k? 1mil? 5mil? 10mil? Point being every man (well amost every man) has a sell out price. Some cheaper some cost more, but we all sell out to the gadianton robbers sooner or later. So what would it be like to have it truly/actually/realistically said about you when you die, that your integrity was beyond reproach!!!
The above was to point out that all I see with men in high places is that almost invariably every single politician sells out sooner or later and becomes the puppets of the "powers that be". It has also been mentioned that we could start at the grass roots with voting in decent people, well, that is what has been going on for 200 plus years and it is worse than ever, society is worse than ever, morality is worse than ever, people are more godless than ever, Mormondom has gone way more towards Babylon then away from it, in fact let's be honest with ourselves we are not a peculiar people any more at all. We fit right into the Babylonian system.
So the remedy in my opinion is to cry day and night for deliverance. Like Heber C Kimball says or rather predicts:
“The Saints will be put to tests that will try the integrity of the best of them. The pressure will become so great that the more righteous among them will cry unto the Lord day and night until deliverance comes.
D&C 103
Behold, I say unto you, the redemption of Zion must needs come by power;

16 Therefore, I will raise up unto my people a man, who shall lead them like as Moses led the children of Israel.

17 For ye are the children of Israel, and of the seed of Abraham, and ye must needs be led out of bondage by power, and with a stretched-out arm.

18 And as your fathers were led at the first, even so shall the redemption of Zion be.

19 Therefore, let not your hearts faint, for I say not unto you as I said unto your fathers: Mine angel shall go up before you, but not my presence.

20 But I say unto you: Mine angels shall go up before you, and also my presence, and in time ye shall possess the goodly land...

Notice especially verse 17 , "YE" who is YE? Hopefully it is us/we ( again hopefully) as that revelation is directly to the children of Zion.
Next word "MUST",,,,, no options, like say "maybe", or "probably", or "most likely" but "YE MUST" BE LED OUT OF BONDAGE, ,,,what bondage, I thought we were free people living in a free country????
Ye must be led out of bondage with "POWER" and a stretched out "ARM". What "Arm"? , who's "Arm"? Why the Arm of the Lord, this Man like into Moses, or if you will this Davidical King. And why must He have this "Power" ? To take on the powers that be that will rise up to contend against Him and His people. Or rather this Servant comes to remove the great usurper and his minions, and that requires power that mankind does not have or possess.. ( at least that is my opinion)
Another interesting thing about Hebers prediction is that it is not all the "saints" that cry for deliverance, but just the "more righteous",,,, remember that to this day the wheat and the tares are still growing together, but something is going to happen to cause the more righteous to cry day and night for deliverance, and also to cause a complete separation of the "more righteous" from the "less righteous". Or the repentant saints from the unrepentant ones.
So I do not see or have any hope whatsoever in the political system of America. I think it has been a continual down hill spiral since they murdered Joseph and Hyrum. They (This nation) have not repented, and now we are murdering our innocent offspring "legally"(since 1973). And to cap it off we in Mormondom have not become a light on the hill but rather as a whole we have joined hands with Babylon and have become enslaved and are in bondage to "Egypt" , hence the need for a Deliverer like into Moses.

Just a few thoughts as I view it...
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December 2015 perspective. The writer calls Trump an idiot and Hillary a warmonger. Who knew then that it was Hillary who was really not mentally capable and Trump would end up murdering a bunch of foreign innocents in his first 100 days?

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There is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats

I know that Conservatives in the US call Obama a Marxist and the Democrats attack the GOP as money grabbers for the rich, but in reality there is very little difference between the GOP and the Democrats.

From my perspective across the pond I haven’t seen the US change for the better since all my years of being interested in US politics. This includes both Republican and Democratic Presidencies as well as times where the President was of the same party that controlled both houses of Congress yet still didn’t push through policies you would expect them to.

Both the GOP and Democratic parties are:

Pro war, even if it means possible world war with Russia/China.
Pro Israel and pro AIPAC / JDL plus anti Palestinian rights.
Pro regime change (Iraq, Libya, Ukraine & Syria to name a few).
Pro drone strikes even on US citizens without judicial review.
Pro Bankster & Wall St and anti Working Class & main street.
Pro Police arbitrary killings. It feels as if the streets of some US cities are full of uninformed paramilitary death squads at the moment.
Pro NSA/FBI/CIA/Homeland security spying on you through your cars GPS, phones microphone/cameras, websites visited from your ISPs and server log files and even now through your TV!

If you have a new “Smart TV”, have you actually read the privacy statement they make you sign in detail?

If not do so!

I read my new 4k TVs statement the other night and it mentioned built-in microphones and cameras installed into the TV to take photos of you for facial recognition and even to record your height, weight and vocal patterns.

Of course they claim that this is just to help deliver you tailored adverts and help with certain smart apps such as those that use voice commands or hand gestures but all this data goes off to a 3rd party company first to be analysed.

The legalese didn’t mention who got access to this data or how long it was stored just that it could be used by the appropriate authorities and that non compliance was covered by New York Law.

Therefore if you break your new Smart TV’s terms and conditions in any way you can have US policemen coming to arrest you wherever you are in the world. I have to wonder which 3 letter agencies get access to all this data, it really has become that Telescreen from George Orwell’s 1984, if not I don’t know how much closer they can become.

Just like phones which when switched off still have enough power to ping the phone masts and therefore record your whereabouts, I’d have a good bet that there is just enough power when your TV is in standby mode to record you through the microphone and camera.

Therefore don’t rely on turning off your camera/microphone in the settings, if you are that paranoid go back to basics and cover them with masking tape. The simplest methods are best. However when even your TV is a sophisticated computer that can spy on you and record your actions and speech then we really have entered George Orwell’s dystopian world.

Also people forget that our phones are those microchips everybody worried about having implanted in them to keep track of them by the Government in the 90s. It was the big thing, being chipped, a conspiracy theory that was just in the mind of tin foil hat wearing loons. However we happily take our phones with us everywhere we go. We constantly “Sign In”, and “log where we are”, “tag who we are with”, and write down everything we are doing. Leaving a nice long trail of our life on the Internet to be remembered for decades to come.

To the youngsters of today there is no concept of privacy and they seem happy to give that away for the ability to communicate and therefore be logged and recorded.

With our mobile and household tracking devices we can now be located and spied on 24/7 and if you are a terrorist, domestic extremist, protester or even a citizen journalist (under new US combatant rules), you could find yourself being the target of something nasty flying through the air.

Microsoft, Facebook and Google constantly hand over all your private chat data, search requests, emails, and history of websites that we’ve visited to the authorities. Both if asked and sometimes just as standard due to their close relationships with the alphabet agencies of the US surveillance state. Google took seed money from the CIA and helped them design some of the NSA’s searching algorithms for programs similar to those Snowden leaked such as PRISM and XKeyScore. Plus Microsoft was adding chips into their PC’s from the 90’s to help the NSA override any secure cryptography so that they could access your PC at will. Even the BBC reported on it in this 1999 article.

There is no difference between Democrats and Republicans on the issue of national security which means knowing as much as possible about as many people as possible.

ISIS which is a creation of US/UK Middle Eastern foreign policy, just as al-Qaeda was a database of CIA cut out agents/Jihadists, used to destabilise countries as ex UK Foreign Minister, Robin Cook wrote about, are used to scare us into just handing over all our civil liberties that the terrorists supposedly hate us for having. The US were bombing ISIS for a year as their Caliphate grew in size. Therefore they were either very bad at their bombing campaign compared to the Russians or they were allowing them to survive. Using the existence of these terrorists as an excuse to cut our civil liberties is basically doing their job for them.

If they truly “hate us for our freedoms”, as George W Bush famously said, we shouldn’t hand all our freedoms away never for them to return with laws like the Patriot ACT and the NDAA and in the UK the multitude of anti-terrorism bills that have been passed.

So it’s the same with all 3 states in the Axis of War, the UK, France and the USA who have all suspended certain rights and freedoms due to the “threat” of terrorism.

I’d really like to see both Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn be leaders of both the USA and UK at the same time JUST TO SEE if REAL CHANGE is even possible from the top down.

When Obama came into office on a wave of support due to his meaningless chant of “We Can Change”, it seemed to me that the slogan was purely about the colour of the White House occupants. Therefore I don’t even believe real change from the top is actually possible, never been tried, or just stopped by the main string pullers from behind the curtains. Having two characters like Bernie and Corbyn in power would at least show us if it was still possible to change the world for the better whether you like their policies or not.

If both these men did have full control and held true to the principles they currently state then in power we should see:

Less prison for drugs and minor offences.

Less Banksters running a mock with our tax payers money and no “too big to fail or jail” companies allowed to bank roll terrorists and drug cartels (e.g HSBC).

Less spending on the department of war and more on education, job creation, house building and investment in the people and country instead of wasting it on £800,000 missiles that are fired into rubble in pointless overseas wars.
Less stupid overtures that suggest our leaders want to start a new cold (or even hot) war with Russia. They seem to forget Russia helped solve the Iran nuclear deal, remove chemical weapons from Syria and are basically crushing DAESH in Syria despite Turkey and Saudi Arabian support for the Jihadists.

Less power to corporations who are NOT real people with feelings and emotions yet in the USA under law they are treated as such and so during elections pump millions into campaigns of people who will benefit them if they get into power.
Better and cheaper health care free at the point of use in the US, and less middle management and PPI hospitals in the UK that are bankrupting us into the future.

Free adult education and the ability to retrain and gain new skills throughout your life to keep you in a job. Having taxpaying workers is much better than people relying on state handouts.

Oh and all the stolen civil liberties we have had removed from us due to the “War on Terror” returned in the hundreds.

The Two Faced Janus Coin of American Politics

The two faced Janus coin of US politics
Both Main Parties in the USA Serve The Same Interests

These are all good reasons why we need strong 3rd parties in the USA and UK.

Many Europeans don’t even realise that 3rd parties exist in the USA. Parties such as the Greens, Libertarians, Justice Party and even (shock horror) socialists!

Major political reform is needed so that these parties get a fair shake of the whip during elections, can debate the other parties on the major networks, and get the air time they require to make a dent into the two-faced Janus coin called American Democratic elections. Of course the reason they don’t is that the debates are all staged collusion with the networks who are all filled with COINTELPRO government mouthpieces. They have no urge to see REAL change come to the USA and actually do something to shake up the status quo.

How many Americans know they are still living under “Emergency Laws” enacted after 9 11 giving the President ultimate power. When will this end?

How good would an alliance be between the UK and the USA that would get on with other nations better and stop real evil e.g Israeli illegal occupation of Palestinian lands and Chinese/Saudi treatment of their people instead of selling weapons and outsourcing all our jobs to them.

Money should not matter more than morals but to George Osborne, Obama and the US/UK arms companies who must carry on their trade it seemingly does.

Our allies are not dissimilar to our enemies e.g ISIS and Saudi Arabia, yet we allow the 7th century hypocritical scum that the Saudi’s are to continue with own Janus act of both funding and fighting terrorism.

However will this ever happen or will the establishment prevent the elections of such men as Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn due to the threat of real change?

The realistic outcome is that some idiot like Donald Trump or a warmonger like Hillary Clinton will get into power in the USA to reign alongside an equally right-wing Tory party in the UK and the Axis of War will roll on…..

One can only wish…..

Remember, as George Orwell famously said:

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Oh, and you do have a real choice in your elections.

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I view elections as a litmus test - an opportunity to demonstrate where I stand, to show what I believe. Do neither of the two major parties represent my views? No worry. I can find one that does. We are told to vote for whomever we feel best represents the principles taught in the gospel, not the candidate with the best likelihood of "winning". It doesn't matter who everyone else votes for. Where do you choose to stand? You get one vote, one positive affirmation of where you stand, one chance to say "These are my values. This is who I am."

Why compromise?

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iWriteStuff wrote: May 6th, 2017, 9:53 pm I view elections as a litmus test - an opportunity to demonstrate where I stand, to show what I believe. Do neither of the two major parties represent my views? No worry. I can find one that does. We are told to vote for whomever we feel best represents the principles taught in the gospel, not the candidate with the best likelihood of "winning". It doesn't matter who everyone else votes for. Where do you choose to stand? You get one vote, one positive affirmation of where you stand, one chance to say "These are my values. This is who I am."

Why compromise?
We, as individuals, will win in the end, in the eternities, no matter who moves into the White House or the statehouse, if, and only if, we make the correct decisions while here on Earth. Making correct decisions does not include voting for the lesser of two evils.

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