NASA in Hebrew means, GREATLY DECEIVE or BEGUILE

[inho]

I have no idea what this post is about, nor the names, which seem to have nothing to do with NASA.

It's funny that you say that, since those words have much more to do with nasa than the hebrew word נָשָׁא which according to

shouldn't be transliterated as nasa.

[samizdat]

Yep, another stupid OP post

Nsha in Hebrew does NOT mean to beguile. And the other languages stand. As a small correction to gkearny nasha in most Slavic languages refer to a singular object that carries a female gender. Plural would be nashi or nashy, masculine would be nasho, nashe, or nashoe.

There are tracks of the rovers on the Moon. How did those get there?

[iWriteStuff]

My grandfather worked for NASA designing the communications system that allowed the astronauts to broadcast the moon walk to the folks back home. He then went on to found the department of electrical engineering at BYU, where he eventually retired. Later on, his son, my uncle, worked for the majority of his career at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. Lots of mission planning, rocket development, and space exploration-related projects have been going on there since the 1960s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_ ... ght_Center

Guess what: we went to the moon. And we're probably going other places, too. And the earth is a globe. Without understanding these basic principles underlying the science of space exploration, nothing we've done would be possible.

I know it's fun to believe in some conspiracies, but this one and the globe one are really unproductive and damaging to your credibility.

No, no one went to the moon. Too much evidence against it. The link was there, read a few of them. Unless, like typical, NASA comes out and admits all the photos are fake, because the radiation destroyed it all, blah blah, the atronauts who passed through the VA radiation belts died and they found doubles for them, etc. Seems NASA is pretty good about covering their lies.

However, that was a very nice use of appeal to authority that confirmed bias, and I have no idea what the "irony" post related to it, but it obviously worked on some people, so nice use of that, too.

Appeal to authority? I've got two close relatives who worked for NASA on the missions you claim were faked, both of them confirming the official story and dedicating their lives to these missions and it's confirmation bias? Seriously, that's not just bizarre - it's insulting. You're calling my grandpa and my uncle liars because of some pseudoscience article and a YouTube video. They were there; you and the authors of those productions were not.

As per the Hebrew/Jew thing I mentioned - I am sensitive to claims of Jewish deception because it has become a prevalent right wing attack that stinks of bigotry. When people say things like "haha the Jews named this psy-op mission "NASA" as a clever means of stating their intent to deceive right in the acronym", it stinks of a bad mixture of anti-Semitism and ignorance. As I am descended from Jews in a direct line, I find this approach insulting as well.

How can you as a member of the church embrace anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that smear an entire race of people? This is the point where ignorance has crossed the line into bigotry.

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My grandfather worked for NASA designing the communications system that allowed the astronauts to broadcast the moon walk to the folks back home. He then went on to found the department of electrical engineering at BYU, where he eventually retired. Later on, his son, my uncle, worked for the majority of his career at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. Lots of mission planning, rocket development, and space exploration-related projects have been going on there since the 1960s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_ ... ght_Center

Guess what: we went to the moon. And we're probably going other places, too. And the earth is a globe. Without understanding these basic principles underlying the science of space exploration, nothing we've done would be possible.

I know it's fun to believe in some conspiracies, but this one and the globe one are really unproductive and damaging to your credibility.

No, no one went to the moon. Too much evidence against it. The link was there, read a few of them. Unless, like typical, NASA comes out and admits all the photos are fake, because the radiation destroyed it all, blah blah, the atronauts who passed through the VA radiation belts died and they found doubles for them, etc. Seems NASA is pretty good about covering their lies.

However, that was a very nice use of appeal to authority that confirmed bias, and I have no idea what the "irony" post related to it, but it obviously worked on some people, so nice use of that, too.

Appeal to authority? I've got two close relatives who worked for NASA on the missions you claim were faked, both of them confirming the official story and dedicating their lives to these missions and it's confirmation bias? Seriously, that's not just bizarre - it's insulting. You're calling my grandpa and my uncle liars because of some pseudoscience article and a YouTube video. They were there; you and the authors of those productions were not.

As per the Hebrew/Jew thing I mentioned - I am sensitive to claims of Jewish deception because it has become a prevalent right wing attack that stinks of bigotry. When people say things like "haha the Jews named this psy-op mission "NASA" as a clever means of stating their intent to deceive right in the acronym", it stinks of a bad mixture of anti-Semitism and ignorance. As I am descended from Jews in a direct line, I find this approach insulting as well.

How can you as a member of the church embrace anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that smear an entire race of people? This is the point where ignorance has crossed the line into bigotry.

Is this going to be the issue that merits sending a few more LDSFF members to the dreaded Outer Darkness section of this website?

[gclayjr]

iWriteStuff

As per the Hebrew/Jew thing I mentioned - I am sensitive to claims of Jewish deception because it has become a prevalent right wing attack that stinks of bigotry. When people say things like "haha the Jews named this psy-op mission "NASA" as a clever means of stating their intent to deceive right in the acronym", it stinks of a bad mixture of anti-Semitism and ignorance. As I am descended from Jews in a direct line, I find this approach insulting as well.

Deuteronomy 28:65-66

65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:

66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:

However, I would not necessarily characterize this as Right wing any more than I would characterize the National Socialist Labor Party (NAZI) as right wing. Perhaps if your right wing means NATIONAL Socialist vs INTERNATIONAL Socialist, but not as we use it here in the states.

However, most conspiracy wing-nuts don't see that they are being manipulated just like the German Population was under Hitler, to fulfill scriptural prophecy about everybody hating Jews.

Regards,

George Clay

[iWriteStuff]

However, most conspiracy wing-nuts don't see that they are being manipulated just like the German Population was under Hitler, to fulfill scriptural prophecy about everybody hating Jews.

Regards,

George Clay

Have you heard of the "Alt Right" movement?

Alt-Right Leaders: We Aren’t Racist, We Just Hate Jews
The racist, anti-semitic, white power group called the ‘alt-right’ has been mainstreamed thanks to Breitbart and the Trump campaign. And they are loving the attention.

In a windowless room in a swanky hotel half a block from the White House on Friday afternoon, three of the most visible leaders of the alt-right movement held a two-hour press conference to discuss their affection for Donald Trump and their hopes for a white homeland. The white supremacist alt-right movement has grown over the last eight years or so, incubated in racist forums like StormFront and meme-loving corners of the internet like 4chan and 8chan. Its members generally share a disdain for political correctness, feminism, zionism, Jews in general, immigration (especially Hispanic and Muslim immigration), and anyone who criticizes them for holding these views.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -jews.html

Whether you realize it or not, the right is being taken over by hate groups. Steve Bannon comes to mind. The most loyal of Trump supporters are the "alt right" and they are a despicable lot. In one forum I frequent, they even referred to Mormons as "American Jews". Then they followed that up with some vile commentary about our culture and beliefs.

Tells you all you need to know about what the right has become and is becoming. This thread is a GREAT example of how it is seeping out into mainstream thought. It is disgusting and needs to be confronted.

[buffalo_girl]

I didn't see anything about Jack Parsons in this discussion. Now, there's the twisted genius who developed 'solid rocket fuel' upon which NASA was founded! Lot's of spooky stuff - including Aleister Crowley. Don't know anything about a Zionist conspiracy, though it could be on some level. Jack Parsons is the corker!

http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/aero ... roots-jpl/

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/about_JPL/jpl101.pdf

[gclayjr]

IWriteStuff,

'alt-right' or 'alternative right' is a name currently embraced by some white supremacists and white nationalists to refer to themselves and their ideology, which emphasizes preserving and protecting the white race in the United States in addition to, or over, other traditional conservative positions such as limited government, low taxes and strict law-and-order. The movement has been described as a mix of racism, white nationalism and populism, ... criticizes "multiculturalism" and more rights for non-whites, women, Jews, Muslims, gays, immigrants and other minorities. Its members reject the American democratic ideal that all should have equality under the law regardless of creed, gender, ethnic origin or race.[6][44]

You may have put your finger on a very permeating tool of the devil that hurts a coherent discussion.... Changing the meaning of words and terms.. Remember when Liberal meant

Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with representative democracy under the rule of law and emphasizes economic freedom.

now we have to say "Classic Liberalism, because the term Liberal has changed. I know that I winced throughout the last presidential political campaign, whenever Donald Trump referred to himself as "Conservative". He never even attempted to pursue conservative ideals. The thing he sold himself on was that as a "dictator" he would dictate better things for America, than Hillary would. To me a conservative believes in much the same as what used to be a classic Liberal.

I hope that this Alt-right group does not succeed in mixing up the definition of Conservative as effectively as the Socialists and Communists did to the definition of Liberal.

Regards,

George Clay

[buffalo_girl]

No one mentioned Jack Parsons. He is the twisted genius who developed the 'solid rocket fuel' upon which NASA was founded. I tried to post links earlier, but had one of the JPL documents freeze up the system. Do a search: Jack Parsons & lInk to Aleister Crowley and L. Ron Hubbard. Fun & games with our minds and spirits.

https://www.google.com/#q=jpl+founder

[buffalo_girl]

Here's a quick overview of Parsons' contribution to NASA.

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/jpl-jack-parsons

[JohnnyL]

Well, since we know NASA's origins, we know it's of the devil. Settles it for me, and for about every other person on this board who has used the "origin" argument against energy healing.

[JohnnyL]

I have no idea what this post is about, nor the names, which seem to have nothing to do with NASA.

It's funny that you say that, since those words have much more to do with nasa than the hebrew word נָשָׁא which according to

shouldn't be transliterated as nasa.

Go ahead, show that "nasa" means "ours" in Italian. ;)

[JohnnyL]

My grandfather worked for NASA designing the communications system that allowed the astronauts to broadcast the moon walk to the folks back home. He then went on to found the department of electrical engineering at BYU, where he eventually retired. Later on, his son, my uncle, worked for the majority of his career at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. Lots of mission planning, rocket development, and space exploration-related projects have been going on there since the 1960s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_ ... ght_Center

Guess what: we went to the moon. And we're probably going other places, too. And the earth is a globe. Without understanding these basic principles underlying the science of space exploration, nothing we've done would be possible.

I know it's fun to believe in some conspiracies, but this one and the globe one are really unproductive and damaging to your credibility.

No, no one went to the moon. Too much evidence against it. The link was there, read a few of them. Unless, like typical, NASA comes out and admits all the photos are fake, because the radiation destroyed it all, blah blah, the atronauts who passed through the VA radiation belts died and they found doubles for them, etc. Seems NASA is pretty good about covering their lies.

However, that was a very nice use of appeal to authority that confirmed bias, and I have no idea what the "irony" post related to it, but it obviously worked on some people, so nice use of that, too.

Appeal to authority? I've got two close relatives who worked for NASA on the missions you claim were faked, both of them confirming the official story and dedicating their lives to these missions and it's confirmation bias? Seriously, that's not just bizarre - it's insulting. You're calling my grandpa and my uncle liars because of some pseudoscience article and a YouTube video. They were there; you and the authors of those productions were not.

As per the Hebrew/Jew thing I mentioned - I am sensitive to claims of Jewish deception because it has become a prevalent right wing attack that stinks of bigotry. When people say things like "haha the Jews named this psy-op mission "NASA" as a clever means of stating their intent to deceive right in the acronym", it stinks of a bad mixture of anti-Semitism and ignorance. As I am descended from Jews in a direct line, I find this approach insulting as well.

How can you as a member of the church embrace anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that smear an entire race of people? This is the point where ignorance has crossed the line into bigotry.

They were WHERE?? On the moon??

Get over it. EVERYTHING is personal and sensitive to someone.

[shadow]

I have no idea what this post is about, nor the names, which seem to have nothing to do with NASA.

It's funny that you say that, since those words have much more to do with nasa than the hebrew word נָשָׁא which according to

shouldn't be transliterated as nasa.

Go ahead, show that "nasa" means "ours" in Italian. ;)

NASA actually means this in Hebrew-

נָשָׂא nâsâʼ, naw-saw'; or נָסָה nâçâh; (Psalm 4:6 [7]), a primitive root; to lift, in a great variety of applications, literal and figurative, absolute and relative:—accept, advance, arise, (able to, (armor), suffer to) bear(-er, up), bring (forth), burn, carry (away), cast, contain, desire, ease, exact, exalt (self), extol, fetch, forgive, furnish, further, give, go on, help, high, hold up, honorable ( man), lade, lay, lift (self) up, lofty, marry, magnify, × needs, obtain, pardon, raise (up), receive, regard, respect, set (up), spare, stir up, swear, take (away, up), × utterly, wear, yield.

nasa'
Pronunciation
nä·sä' (Key)
to lift, bear up, carry, take
(Qal)
to lift, lift up
to bear, carry, support, sustain, endure
to take, take away, carry off, forgive
(Niphal)
to be lifted up, be exalted
to lift oneself up, rise up
to be borne, be carried
to be taken away, be carried off, be swept away
(Piel)
to lift up, exalt, support, aid, assist
to desire, long (fig.)
to carry, bear continuously
to take, take away

[brianj]

I didn't see anything about Jack Parsons in this discussion. Now, there's the twisted genius who developed 'solid rocket fuel' upon which NASA was founded! Lot's of spooky stuff - including Aleister Crowley. Don't know anything about a Zionist conspiracy, though it could be on some level. Jack Parsons is the corker!

http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/aero ... roots-jpl/

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/about_JPL/jpl101.pdf

Umm... it's a little hard to take that seriously knowing that the Chinese were using solid fuel rockets back in the 12th century. And it only gets worse knowing that, since American researchers had mostly ignored the work of Robert Goddard but German researchers took Goddard seriously, to jump start America's rocketry program a lot of former Nazi rocket scientists and engineers were brought to the US to work on liquid fuel rockets.

See if you can name one single rocket that has successfully delivered a payload into a planned orbit using solid propellant. Go ahead and try. I know you won't succeed because that's not what solid propellant is used for. Solid propellant is used for rockets on suborbital trajectories; the Sergeant missile being the first missile deployed using only solid propellants. These days solid propellant motors are often used as boosters to help get a liquid fuel rocket off the ground and moving a little more quickly, but they are far more commonly used to launch much smaller rockets to much lower altitudes.

[Silver]

brianj,
Thanks for trying to bring a voice of reason to this thread.

All,
Can we please stop this silliness? Right now there are 281 guests viewing this forum. If there are any non-members among them, I can only imagine what they think of us crazy Mormons now.

[buffalo_girl]

Watch the Jet Propulsion Laboratory historian tell the early history of JPL, its founders, and NASA. He describes Jack Parsons' contribution of stabilizing ammonium chloride with bitumen/asphalt to create solid rocket fuel.

https://youtu.be/_J7y21zrFF0

von Braun purportedly regarded Jack Parsons 'the true father of the American space program'.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Ej7xa ... el&f=false

I'm not a 'rocket scientist', but I have to believe there is definitely a luciferian element to the military-industrial complex - rocket/space development included.

[buffalo_girl]

If those who question Jack Parsons' contribution to the 'space program' will just watch the last few minutes of the above linked youtube interview with the JPL historian, you will hear a definitive statement regarding his sold rocket fuel contribution, and why a crater of the moon is named after him. Start at 35:33 into the video.

[JohnnyL]

As I said: Well, since we know NASA's origins, we know it's of the devil. Settles it for me, and for about every other person on this board who has used the "origin" argument against energy healing.

Once more, the hypocrisy involved in the positions, as it's ok in one example, but not in the other.

I could go back and make a list of all the people who have used that "origin" argument against EH and those who have "liked" any of those comments, so people could be faced with their inconsistencies... nah.

[buffalo_girl]

I don't know how Energy Healing applies to this particular discussion, nor am I suggesting that NASA boffins are to a nerd, luciferian. It's possible, I suppose, but I do NOT know. I don't know Hebrew, either.

However, I have observed throughout the course of my life, a prominent stream of Baal worship in ALL of our modern institutions. I think Lundbaek has a topic gleaning opinions about Revelation 13:7 which may support that observation.

https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=45330

[buffalo_girl]

All,
Can we please stop this silliness? Right now there are 281 guests viewing this forum. If there are any non-members among them, I can only imagine what they think of us crazy Mormons now.

Why would non-members among the lurkers 'think us crazy'?

I'm willing to risk it.

[JohnnyL]

All,
Can we please stop this silliness? Right now there are 281 guests viewing this forum. If there are any non-members among them, I can only imagine what they think of us crazy Mormons now.

Why would non-members among the lurkers 'think us crazy'?

I'm willing to risk it.

It's easier to appeal to conformity, than appeal to... truth?

[Silver]

All,
Can we please stop this silliness? Right now there are 281 guests viewing this forum. If there are any non-members among them, I can only imagine what they think of us crazy Mormons now.

Why would non-members among the lurkers 'think us crazy'?

I'm willing to risk it.

It's easier to appeal to conformity, than appeal to... truth?

I'm referring to, if you must know, the craziness of the flat earth false theories.

[buffalo_girl]

I'm referring to, if you must know, the craziness of the flat earth false theories.

oh! I guess I'm not familiar with that theory. I thought tall masts on ocean going sailing ships disproved that concept. Besides, when is the last time we heard about ships falling off the edge?

There are some places in Kansas, Iowa & North Dakota that might convince a person, but I haven't heard of any John Deere equipment being lost. I'm sure the JD Company would make a fuss since they seem to want to keep ownership of their BIG GREEN so farmers are perpetually paying leases rather than ever owning or even being able to do repairs themselves on their $100,000+ equipment.

[JohnnyL]

I'm referring to, if you must know, the craziness of the flat earth false theories.

oh! I guess I'm not familiar with that theory. I thought tall masts on ocean going sailing ships disproved that concept. Besides, when is the last time we heard about ships falling off the edge?

There are some places in Kansas, Iowa & North Dakota that might convince a person, but I haven't heard of any John Deere equipment being lost. I'm sure the JD Company would make a fuss since they seem to want to keep ownership of their BIG GREEN so farmers are perpetually paying leases rather than ever owning or even being able to do repairs themselves on their $100,000+ equipment.

Ha, just posted about that on the "Affording a Family" thread.