LDS Missionary Beats Up Mugger w/Gun

[Ezra]

Really doubt anyone would have been hurt or lives lost. Things would have just been stolen.

that would be really sad if missionary work gets stopped for awhile in that area.

[David13]

What ever happened to turn the other cheek? What happen to if some one steals from you you give him your blanket and some food as well.

What do you give them if they shoot you?

Tell them after they shoot you to shoot your companion too.

Or just give them your wallet with a few bucks in it. They obviously need it more then you do. You could also offer them to the knowledge be able to never be hungry or thirsty again. Hint hint.

"They obviously need it more than you do"

How do you know this? How do you know that they are not rather rich from all the stealing they do?
And yet you criticize others for making "judgments".
dc

[David13]

Really doubt anyone would have been hurt or lives lost. Things would have just been stolen.

that would be really sad if missionary work gets stopped for awhile in that area.

Again, you are omniscient.
And on Thursday, nonetheless.
dc

Ezra
Have you ever heard it said that evil is when good men do nothing?

[eddie]

The church has not identified the missionaries involved, but spokesman Eric Hawkins released the following statement:

“We are grateful that this incident did not end tragically, either for the missionaries or the other individuals involved. The guidance given to missionaries is to avoid conflict. Every situation is unique, and as adults, missionaries must make decisions about their safety. In this case, the assailant had a weapon and the missionary reacted in the moment to protect his life and that of his companion.”

[eddie]

What do you give them if they shoot you?

Tell them after they shoot you to shoot your companion too.

Or just give them your wallet with a few bucks in it. They obviously need it more then you do. You could also offer them to the knowledge be able to never be hungry or thirsty again. Hint hint.

"They obviously need it more than you do"

How do you know this? How do you know that they are not rather rich from all the stealing they do?
And yet you criticize others for making "judgments".
dc

Thumbs up David 13

[freedomforall]

Here's more of an updated version

Why did that warm my heart and make me a tad gleeful?

Though, they should probably transfer that broth of a boy.

Voilence breads violence. So I agree he should be transferred

What ever happened to turn the other cheek? What happen to if some one steals from you you give him your blanket and some food as well.

Is it good to have both cheeks ventilated by bullets? I applaud the missionary.
And, yes, God does become angry.

2 Nephi 15:25
25 Therefore, is the anger of the Lord kindled against his people, and he hath stretched forth his hand against them, and hath smitten them; and the hills did tremble, and their carcasses were torn in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

Doctrine and Covenants 109:27,52
27 And if any people shall rise against this people, that thine anger be kindled against them;

Doctrine and Covenants 63:2
2 Yea, verily, I say, hear the word of him whose anger is kindled against the wicked and rebellious;

Doctrine and Covenants 61:31
31 And in that place they shall lift up their voices unto God against that people, yea, unto him whose anger is kindled against their wickedness, a people who are well-nigh ripened for destruction.

Doctrine and Covenants 60:2
2 But with some I am not well pleased, for they will not open their mouths, but they hide the talent which I have given unto them, because of the fear of man. Wo unto such, for mine anger is kindled against them.

Doctrine and Covenants 5:8
8 Oh, this unbelieving and stiffnecked generation—mine anger is kindled against them.

Doctrine and Covenants 84:24
24 But they hardened their hearts and could not endure his presence; therefore, the Lord in his wrath, for his anger was kindled against them, swore that they should not enter into his rest while in the wilderness, which rest is the fulness of his glory.

Doctrine and Covenants 121:5
5 Let thine anger be kindled against our enemies; and, in the fury of thine heart, with thy sword avenge us of our wrongs.

Doctrine and Covenants 56:1
1 Hearken, O ye people who profess my name, saith the Lord your God; for behold, mine anger is kindled against the rebellious, and they shall know mine arm and mine indignation, in the day of visitation and of wrath upon the nations.

[freedomforall]

Will someone please show me where in the video, the missionary beat up the mugger with a gun? :-ss

[paulrobots]

Will someone please show me where in the video, the missionary beat up the mugger with a gun? :-ss

It sounds better than missionary beats up mugger with motorcycle.

Or I could change mugger to muggers. But I won't. :p

[freedomforall]

Will someone please show me where in the video, the missionary beat up the mugger with a gun? :-ss

It sounds better than missionary beats up mugger with motorcycle.

Or I could change mugger to muggers. But I won't. :p

The English language is goofy isn't it?

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[Ezra]

Here's more of an updated version

Why did that warm my heart and make me a tad gleeful?

Though, they should probably transfer that broth of a boy.

Voilence breads violence. So I agree he should be transferred

What ever happened to turn the other cheek? What happen to if some one steals from you you give him your blanket and some food as well.

Is it good to have both cheeks ventilated by bullets? I applaud the missionary.
And, yes, God does become angry.

2 Nephi 15:25
25 Therefore, is the anger of the Lord kindled against his people, and he hath stretched forth his hand against them, and hath smitten them; and the hills did tremble, and their carcasses were torn in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

Doctrine and Covenants 109:27,52
27 And if any people shall rise against this people, that thine anger be kindled against them;

Doctrine and Covenants 63:2
2 Yea, verily, I say, hear the word of him whose anger is kindled against the wicked and rebellious;

Doctrine and Covenants 61:31
31 And in that place they shall lift up their voices unto God against that people, yea, unto him whose anger is kindled against their wickedness, a people who are well-nigh ripened for destruction.

Doctrine and Covenants 60:2
2 But with some I am not well pleased, for they will not open their mouths, but they hide the talent which I have given unto them, because of the fear of man. Wo unto such, for mine anger is kindled against them.

Doctrine and Covenants 5:8
8 Oh, this unbelieving and stiffnecked generation—mine anger is kindled against them.

Doctrine and Covenants 84:24
24 But they hardened their hearts and could not endure his presence; therefore, the Lord in his wrath, for his anger was kindled against them, swore that they should not enter into his rest while in the wilderness, which rest is the fulness of his glory.

Doctrine and Covenants 121:5
5 Let thine anger be kindled against our enemies; and, in the fury of thine heart, with thy sword avenge us of our wrongs.

Doctrine and Covenants 56:1
1 Hearken, O ye people who profess my name, saith the Lord your God; for behold, mine anger is kindled against the rebellious, and they shall know mine arm and mine indignation, in the day of visitation and of wrath upon the nations.

I don't think God ever gets angry. I cannot see a perfect being loosing control of his emotions. Angry is dirty. It makes no sense. Even though the word anger is used in scripture doesn't means he gets angry. Another word could easily be used in its place in all those scriptures to say the same thing. The scriptures warn us of our public school education system. Yet never call it public school educational system. The scriptures use church and other words like preistcraft to describe it. You know That as well as I do.

FFA. Where are all the scriptures that say if you lay down your life in my service you will be saved/ exalted?

Seems the better scriptures to be posting in this thread.

[Ezra]

Really doubt anyone would have been hurt or lives lost. Things would have just been stolen.

that would be really sad if missionary work gets stopped for awhile in that area.

Again, you are omniscient.
And on Thursday, nonetheless.
dc

Ezra
Have you ever heard it said that evil is when good men do nothing?

Thanks for thinking I'm all knowing. Quite the compliment. But I'm not.


Have you ever heard that fighting over money is not good?

This missionary got lucky. You can tell he is not trained in self defense by watching his actions. What he did could have gotten him killed. He is lucky. His actions could have gotten them killed.

Think about it. The typical reaction of someone in that stituation is to either do what he did or just comply. That's the norm that's the "doing nothing". And that's the reaction someone with a gun should expect. Any why it's lucky he didn't get themselfs killed. That's the every day squabbling of men. It's the reactions that are outside the norm that are actually "doing something". The norm is fight or flight. doing either out of fear is doing nothing. Doing something is to react differently then the norm. High tention moments are great teaching opportunities.

Who's life is worth loosing over some paper?

A poem

Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused.

Don't these talking monkeys know that
Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys,
Where there's one you're bound to divide it.
Right in two.

Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason.
And this is what they choose.

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs,
They forge a blade,
And where there's one
they're bound to divide it,
Right in two.

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey.
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs.
They make a club.
And beat their brother, down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here.

Fight over the clouds, over wind, over sky
Fight over life, over blood, over prayer,
overhead and light
Fight over love, over sun,
over another, Fight for each other,
for the ones who are rising.

Angels on the sideline again.
Benched along with patience and reason.
Angels on the sideline again
Wondering when this tug of war will end.

Cut and divide it all right in two.




There is a better way then all this fighting you know that as well as i do.

[Ezra]

D&c 121. 40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen.

41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;

42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—

43 Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy;


Was this the case with what happened in that situation?


And ffa where is the part about anger in that scripture ??

I can see God reproving with sharpness. When moved by the Holy Spirit. But that is not anger: that's love. And that requires a plan thoughtfulness and selflessness in order to do correctly. Anger doesn't fit.

[h_p]

This missionary got lucky. You can tell he is not trained in self defense by watching his actions. What he did could have gotten him killed. He is lucky. His actions could have gotten them killed.

Your life is in danger the moment someone points a gun at you. Not when you decide to resist.

Yes, God did tell us to turn the other cheek, but He also has said this:

And they were doing that which they felt was the duty which they owed to their God; for the Lord had said unto them, and also unto their fathers, that: Inasmuch as ye are not guilty of the first offense, neither the second, ye shall not suffer yourselves to be slain by the hands of your enemies.

And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion.

Let me ask you this, if you're convinced the thug wasn't going to harm anyone, why did he have a gun, and why was he pointing it at innocent people?

[freedomforall]

D&c 121. 40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen.

41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;

42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—

43 Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy;


Was this the case with what happened in that situation?


And ffa where is the part about anger in that scripture ??

I can see God reproving with sharpness. When moved by the Holy Spirit. But that is not anger: that's love. And that requires a plan thoughtfulness and selflessness in order to do correctly. Anger doesn't fit.

I was merely wondering...when does God ever have to have the Holy Ghost move upon him?

Was Ammon wrong for defending himself?

Alma 20
20 And he stretched forth his hand to slay Ammon. But Ammon withstood his blows, and also smote his arm that he could not use it.
21 Now when the king saw that Ammon could slay him, he began to plead with Ammon that he would spare his life.
22 But Ammon raised his sword, and said unto him: Behold, I will smite thee except thou wilt grant unto me that my brethren may be cast out of prison.

[PressingForward]

What an awesome Elder of Israel! I'll bet he was from Idaho too, well maybe not the west side. B-) Those folk over in the Parma area or Weiser need some gumpshun. His Daddy raised him right. His companion needs help.

Are you making fun of elder Brett nattress kids? They were raised in western Idaho.

Are Elder Nattress's kids special? Or do you just General Authority worship? Hint.....it's just a calling.

You said western Idaho kids need gumpshun. I did. I'm asked about his kids since they are western Idaho kids. . Say what? Did you mean to say "I'm asking about his.." I sure hope you're not homeschooling your kids....

Somehow that means I worship the general attorneys?? . Say what? Are you making fun of the General Authories of the Church? Not cool at all

What do you worship me since your speaking about me??
"your" is possesive. Your House, your car, your lack of education.
Makes no sense does it??
No, you make no sense at all.
I'm currently wondering about your sanity. Are you ok.
Too funny, I'll pray for you brother, because it is clear as to whom is in need of help.

[David13]

Really doubt anyone would have been hurt or lives lost. Things would have just been stolen.

that would be really sad if missionary work gets stopped for awhile in that area.

Again, you are omniscient.
And on Thursday, nonetheless.
dc

Ezra
Have you ever heard it said that evil is when good men do nothing?

Thanks for thinking I'm all knowing. Quite the compliment. But I'm not.

(Then why do you purport to know who needs what? You shouldn't say you know, then turn around and say you don't know. Only talk out of one side of your mouth, not two.)

blah blah blay, poetry, blah blah.
(Yes, if there's one thing I don't like, it's poetry)


There is a better way then all this fighting you know that as well as i do.

BINGO!! You just figured out that you and I know that ... BUT THE THIEF DOESN'T!! And finally this missionary set out to teach them a lesson that they needed.

[David13]

Really doubt anyone would have been hurt or lives lost. Things would have just been stolen.

that would be really sad if missionary work gets stopped for awhile in that area.

Again, you are omniscient.
And on Thursday, nonetheless.
dc

Ezra
Have you ever heard it said that evil is when good men do nothing?

Ezra
YooHoo!
Ezra
Over here!!
You know that evil is when good men do nothing. Why do you keep insisting this missionary should have done ... nothing?
dc

[Ezra]

Are you making fun of elder Brett nattress kids? They were raised in western Idaho.

Are Elder Nattress's kids special? Or do you just General Authority worship? Hint.....it's just a calling.

You said western Idaho kids need gumpshun. I did. I'm asked about his kids since they are western Idaho kids. . Say what? Did you mean to say "I'm asking about his.." I sure hope you're not homeschooling your kids....

Somehow that means I worship the general attorneys?? . Say what? Are you making fun of the General Authories of the Church? Not cool at all

What do you worship me since your speaking about me??
"your" is possesive. Your House, your car, your lack of education.
Makes no sense does it??
No, you make no sense at all.
I'm currently wondering about your sanity. Are you ok.
Too funny, I'll pray for you brother, because it is clear as to whom is in need of help.

Ohhh so your one of those type. Your my fav type of person. One who has pet peeves about spelling and grammar. Corrects people to make yourself feel Above them. :ymapplause:

Don't tell me your public schooling your kids and ignore all that's been said about the dangers of it.

[Ezra]

Really doubt anyone would have been hurt or lives lost. Things would have just been stolen.

that would be really sad if missionary work gets stopped for awhile in that area.

Again, you are omniscient.
And on Thursday, nonetheless.
dc

Ezra
Have you ever heard it said that evil is when good men do nothing?

Ezra
YooHoo!
Ezra
Over here!!
You know that evil is when good men do nothing. Why do you keep insisting this missionary should have done ... nothing?
dc

You must have missed my reply. I already explained this.

Doing nothing is following the same old wore out pattern of fighting and contention.

Not doing the normal human reaction is the doing something.

2 wrong will never make a right. Why do you keep insisting that fighting is good?

I will ask again. How does this fit in what the elder did?

D&c 121

40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen.

41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;

42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—

43 Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy;


How did that missionary do in using his priesthood in accordance with what it takes to be chosen?

[Ezra]

D&c 121. 40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen.

41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;

42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—

43 Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy;


Was this the case with what happened in that situation?


And ffa where is the part about anger in that scripture ??

I can see God reproving with sharpness. When moved by the Holy Spirit. But that is not anger: that's love. And that requires a plan thoughtfulness and selflessness in order to do correctly. Anger doesn't fit.

I was merely wondering...when does God ever have to have the Holy Ghost move upon him?

Was Ammon wrong for defending himself?

Alma 20
20 And he stretched forth his hand to slay Ammon. But Ammon withstood his blows, and also smote his arm that he could not use it.
21 Now when the king saw that Ammon could slay him, he began to plead with Ammon that he would spare his life.
22 But Ammon raised his sword, and said unto him: Behold, I will smite thee except thou wilt grant unto me that my brethren may be cast out of prison.

D&c 98 explains very well what God justify in self defense and in war you know I quote it all the time.
How did God become God? By listening to the Holy Spirit.

[Ezra]

This missionary got lucky. You can tell he is not trained in self defense by watching his actions. What he did could have gotten him killed. He is lucky. His actions could have gotten them killed.

Your life is in danger the moment someone points a gun at you. Not when you decide to resist.

Yes, God did tell us to turn the other cheek, but He also has said this:

And they were doing that which they felt was the duty which they owed to their God; for the Lord had said unto them, and also unto their fathers, that: Inasmuch as ye are not guilty of the first offense, neither the second, ye shall not suffer yourselves to be slain by the hands of your enemies.

And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion.

Let me ask you this, if you're convinced the thug wasn't going to harm anyone, why did he have a gun, and why was he pointing it at innocent people?

Guns are just tools. Just like a knife, bat or fists.

Was it even loaded? Was it used?

How many robberys involve a gun and how often are they used?
How many involved knifes and how often are they used?

The number of robberys where people were shot or stabbed is very very low.

Robbers just want to grab and go. You are putting yourself into more danger by trying to contend with them.


But I think you are all missing the point. That was an opportunity to teach Christ like behaviors.

I work with teens in a wilderness youth program. Sometimes violent teens. When people are in that head space is one of the best times to teach.

If people are in a place of comfort they never learn. The only learn when they are outside tbeir comfort zone. Stressful situations are great for it.

[freedomforall]

D&c 121. 40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen.

41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;

42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—

43 Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy;


Was this the case with what happened in that situation?


And ffa where is the part about anger in that scripture ??

I can see God reproving with sharpness. When moved by the Holy Spirit. But that is not anger: that's love. And that requires a plan thoughtfulness and selflessness in order to do correctly. Anger doesn't fit.

I was merely wondering...when does God ever have to have the Holy Ghost move upon him?

Was Ammon wrong for defending himself?

Alma 20
20 And he stretched forth his hand to slay Ammon. But Ammon withstood his blows, and also smote his arm that he could not use it.
21 Now when the king saw that Ammon could slay him, he began to plead with Ammon that he would spare his life.
22 But Ammon raised his sword, and said unto him: Behold, I will smite thee except thou wilt grant unto me that my brethren may be cast out of prison.

D&c 98 explains very well what God justify in self defense and in war you know I quote it all the time.
How did God become God? By listening to the Holy Spirit.

In martial arts one is taught how to take down someone holding a gun at them. When done properly the gun is extracted from the hands of an attacker before they are able to think to pull the trigger. Also, several strikes can be executed that are geared to disable the attacker.
I knew a few LDS martial arts instructors. Do you consider them evil for learning how to defend themselves? Do you consider the 2060 strippling warriors as evil for learning how to wield a sword and killing their enemies? Was Moroni evil when he used a sword to kill kingmen?
Take notice of all the people in the Book of Mormon that learned fighting skills used for preserving life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
The scripture says to turn the other cheek if the other person is smiting us, not using a sword, a gun or knife, etc.

President Benson told us that when liberty is lost, only blood, human blood can bring it back. Can God use a bunch of pacifists to save the Constitution? Or will it take men who have learned how to fight?

[David13]

Alma 43
46 And they were doing that which they felt was the duty which they owed to their God; for the Lord had said unto them, and also unto their fathers, that: Inasmuch as ye are not guilty of the first offense, neither the second, ye shall not suffer yourselves to be slain by the hands of your enemies.
47 And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion.
dc

[shadow]

Really doubt anyone would have been hurt or lives lost. Things would have just been stolen.

that would be really sad if missionary work gets stopped for awhile in that area.

Again, you are omniscient.
And on Thursday, nonetheless.
dc

Ezra
Have you ever heard it said that evil is when good men do nothing?

Ezra
YooHoo!
Ezra
Over here!!
You know that evil is when good men do nothing. Why do you keep insisting this missionary should have done ... nothing?
dc

You must have missed my reply. I already explained this.

Doing nothing is following the same old wore out pattern of fighting and contention.

Not doing the normal human reaction is the doing something.

2 wrong will never make a right. Why do you keep insisting that fighting is good?

I will ask again. How does this fit in what the elder did?

D&c 121

40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen.

41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;

42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—

43 Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy;


How did that missionary do in using his priesthood in accordance with what it takes to be chosen?

I feel bad for your wife is someone ever tried to rape her. You'd probably let it happen. In fact, you're such a swell guy you'd probably run down to Arby's and grab him some lunch so you can keep him around after he's finished to discuss the gospel. And while you're out you'd probably stop by the county office to pay twice what your property tax bill is, just because you're that good. If you think you can be "chosen" by applying the same principle equally as you did to this missionary then you're an idiot. By pointing a gun at the missionary the missionary's life was threatened. Which is worse, being murdered or raped? Murder is worse. I feel bad for your wife. She has nobody to protect her if needed. But at least she has a "chosen" husband.

[Mark]

Again, you are omniscient.
And on Thursday, nonetheless.
dc

Ezra
Have you ever heard it said that evil is when good men do nothing?

Ezra
YooHoo!
Ezra
Over here!!
You know that evil is when good men do nothing. Why do you keep insisting this missionary should have done ... nothing?
dc

You must have missed my reply. I already explained this.

Doing nothing is following the same old wore out pattern of fighting and contention.

Not doing the normal human reaction is the doing something.

2 wrong will never make a right. Why do you keep insisting that fighting is good?

I will ask again. How does this fit in what the elder did?

D&c 121

40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen.

41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;

42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—

43 Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy;


How did that missionary do in using his priesthood in accordance with what it takes to be chosen?

I feel bad for your wife is someone ever tried to rape her. You'd probably let it happen. In fact, you're such a swell guy you'd probably run down to Arby's and grab him some lunch so you can keep him around after he's finished to discuss the gospel. And while you're out you'd probably stop by the county office to pay twice what your property tax bill is, just because you're that good. If you think you can be "chosen" by applying the same principle equally as you did to this missionary then you're an idiot. By pointing a gun at the missionary the missionary's life was threatened. Which is worse, being murdered or raped? Murder is worse. I feel bad for your wife. She has nobody to protect her if needed. But at least she has a "chosen" husband.

No actually she has an emasculated husband who won't defend himself or his loved ones when they are preyed upon by evil and conspiring criminals. Welcome to the snowflake generation. :ymsick: Maybe this scripture in Deuteronomy might have application?

" He that is wounded in the stones, or has his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD."