Is gender anarchy God's judgment for abortion?

[gclayjr]

Title of a thought provoking column written by Linda Harvey


,

When certain families raise their children in today’s culture to be God-honoring, productive, respectful young adults, it’s an astounding accomplishment.

It still happens, praise God, and many of you are still trying to do this.

But the forces allied against such happy outcomes are growing, metastasizing through the disease of secular American culture.

To keep protecting our children, we must recognize honestly what’s going on, even if it is a deeply sobering, heartbreaking picture.

And

We are reaping the fruit of abortion: marriage abolition via the homosexual and gender confusion agendas. “Don’t want the blessing of faithful husband/wife love – new human life? OK, take the emptiness of fruitless pleasure instead.”

and

Students are tutored in masturbation as a child, then mutual masturbation as a pre-teen, then experimentation in all directions as a teen. Abortion is always a “health care” option.

And sometimes, adults break a sacred trust and violate children themselves.

The result? More children who exhibit the classic signs of demonic oppression.

Many are behaviorally unhinged, some unaccountably anxious

and

Satan is not done with our precious sons and daughters yet. He wants us to hand our children over willingly, believing it’s for their own good, and scream in outrage at any who try to issue warnings.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/is-gender-an ... 5qPsK02.99

Not LDS, but I think some very astute observations.

Regards,

George Clay

[brianj]

There is a very special, and very unpleasant, judgement for abortion but I don't believe dysphoria is that judgement.

Sexual confusion is different tool that Satan is using to lead people astray, and I don't see it as a punishment but a natural result of the ever increasing sexualization of society. Punishment will come for our overly permissive, baby killing society, and when it comes I suspect even diehard atheists will wonder if God is punishing them. But until that day we will see more and worse side effects of wickedness in society.

[Yahtzee]

I also don't think it's the same connection. I have a trans sibling and it has little to do with sexuality. Its identity. It's knowing who you are and what you are capable of becoming. Gender anarchy is the fruit of a godless society that leaves children to make sense of the world on their own. Do you know why the very first lessons in nursery age kids are "I am a child of God?"
However, a society that doesn't value it's most vulnerable will reap its own punishments first. Many of which were mentioned in the article.

[gclayjr]

I think she was referring to more general judgments of our society, rather than specific punishments for an abortion. Also, I think she was identifying legalizing and wide spread acceptance of abortion as a first step leading down to even more societal perversions, to include acceptance of sex as something to be enjoyed by all without the need for marriage, or having children. This leads to further depravities, to include widespread acceptance of homosexuality, and the lifestyles that often accompanies that. Now we have a society that is focused on not only lecherous self satisfaction, but homosexual life styles, homosexual marriage, and trans-gendered life.

This is all taught as the way to live to those kids who we didn't abort. Society also teaches them to reject bigoted Christian morals.

To repeat, She isn't saying that what we are receiving are specific punishments from God for Abortion, but we are receiving punishments for a depraved society, that does a lot of things, of which Abortion was the first step down that slippery slope into this hell hole.

Regards,

George Clay

[EmmaLee]

Well said, George. ^^

[Fiannan]

And some Mormons fall for the ultimate trap: Keep people ignorant of how sexuality is being used to undermine society. The powers-that-be want nothing more than to limit and reduce population growth. The foundation of the Plan of Salvation is to get a body and exist in this dimension; to make choices and return to God. The people who rule this world see humans as resources and plan on phasing us out as automation reduces the need for "useless eaters." So if you use sexuality, again a foundational concept in the PofS but also an instinctive drive that governs our actions in many diverse ways that we are generally unaware of, you can throw a wrench into people's natural desire to form a union with the opposite sex and reproduce. Of course this is a multi-faceted game plan. As making a family requires individual and collective sacrifice you must turn people into selfish consumers (reference Romans 1). Then you liberate them from the constraints that their ancestors have bound themselves with (morality). Then your job is mostly done. You have a population of confused individuals who are suceptible to adopting any new psy-op that you throw at them. Who knows what is next after today's new options are no longer seen as amazing and shocking?

[eddie]

There is a very special, and very unpleasant, judgement for abortion but I don't believe dysphoria is that judgement.
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And what is that special and painful judgement Brianj ?
Do you believe in repentance? I don't understand people making themselves the judge?
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Sexual confusion is different tool that Satan is using to lead people astray, and I don't see it as a punishment but a natural result of the ever increasing sexualization of society. Punishment will come for our overly permissive, baby killing society, and when it comes I suspect even diehard atheists will wonder if God is punishing them. But until that day we will see more and worse side effects of wickedness in society.

[jsk]

Great post Fiannan...agree with you on these points. What is the world coming to when I agree with Fiannan?

[Robin Hood]

Title of a thought provoking column written by Linda Harvey


,

When certain families raise their children in today’s culture to be God-honoring, productive, respectful young adults, it’s an astounding accomplishment.

It still happens, praise God, and many of you are still trying to do this.

But the forces allied against such happy outcomes are growing, metastasizing through the disease of secular American culture.

To keep protecting our children, we must recognize honestly what’s going on, even if it is a deeply sobering, heartbreaking picture.

And

We are reaping the fruit of abortion: marriage abolition via the homosexual and gender confusion agendas. “Don’t want the blessing of faithful husband/wife love – new human life? OK, take the emptiness of fruitless pleasure instead.”

and

Students are tutored in masturbation as a child, then mutual masturbation as a pre-teen, then experimentation in all directions as a teen. Abortion is always a “health care” option.

And sometimes, adults break a sacred trust and violate children themselves.

The result? More children who exhibit the classic signs of demonic oppression.

Many are behaviorally unhinged, some unaccountably anxious

and

Satan is not done with our precious sons and daughters yet. He wants us to hand our children over willingly, believing it’s for their own good, and scream in outrage at any who try to issue warnings.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/is-gender-an ... 5qPsK02.99

Not LDS, but I think some very astute observations.

Regards,

George Clay

Astute observations indeed.
Many thanks for posting this.

[gclayjr]

fiannan,

Great post Fiannan...agree with you on these points. What is the world coming to when I agree with Fiannan?

yea, me too. What is this world coming to?

Regards,

George Clay

[Fiannan]

fiannan,

Great post Fiannan...agree with you on these points. What is the world coming to when I agree with Fiannan?

yea, me too. What is this world coming to?

Regards,

George Clay

The foundational concept behind the post is no different than any other I have made in regards to psychology and social manipulation.

[jsk]

Not quite true...most of your posts somehow come back to polygamy being wonderful, pornography isn't so bad, the Lord thinks sperm donation and artificial insemination is great and and the Brethren need to get with the program, and using birth control should get you sent to Outer Darkness. So...this post, which was lucid and well thought out, was a welcome respite.

[Fiannan]

Not quite true...most of your posts somehow come back to polygamy being wonderful, pornography isn't so bad, the Lord thinks sperm donation and artificial insemination is great and and the Brethren need to get with the program, and using birth control should get you sent to Outer Darkness. So...this post, which was lucid and well thought out, was a welcome respite.

LDS Church - Polygamy is ultimately wonderful.

I never said porn was good. I just feel one can deal with it without going all "Reefer Madness" and ultimately being counterproductive.

Artificial insemination? Apocrypha indicate that is how Noah was conceived. As for Jesus...well, you get the point.

LDS Church leaders - Birth control is bad. Look it up.

:p

[brianj]

There is a very special, and very unpleasant, judgement for abortion but I don't believe dysphoria is that judgement.

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And what is that special and painful judgement Brianj ?
Do you believe in repentance? I don't understand people making themselves the judge?
..................

Really? Do I really need to go there? Fine. Let me star by rewriting my sentence, then I'll get into judgements.
There is a very special, and very unpleasant, judgement for (+ people who have or support +) abortion (+ and don't repent +) but I don't believe dysphoria is that judgement.

Does that satisfy you? Or do you still think I am setting myself up to judge people by expressing that I believe what leaders of the church have taught?

Regarding what that special and painful judgement is, you could be asking about two different things: the judgement for the individual who has an abortion or encourages / pressures others to have an abortion and doesn't repent, and the judgement for a society that allows abortions.
For society, abortion is obviously a great wickedness. The eventual punishment will be something similar to the punishment that destroyed almost the entire Jaredite civilization as described in Ether 9 wherein all but Omer's family and 30 other people were killed. We won't see our population decline that much, but we will see a huge decline.

The punishment for the individual will be far more exquisite. They will die, they will meet their relatives, and among those relatives will be the children they aborted. They will come face to face with the person or people they murdered and be asked, "Why did you kill me?"

[cyclOps]

There is a very special, and very unpleasant, judgement for abortion but I don't believe dysphoria is that judgement.

..................
And what is that special and painful judgement Brianj ?
Do you believe in repentance? I don't understand people making themselves the judge?
..................

Really? Do I really need to go there? Fine. Let me star by rewriting my sentence, then I'll get into judgements.
There is a very special, and very unpleasant, judgement for (+ people who have or support +) abortion (+ and don't repent +) but I don't believe dysphoria is that judgement.

Does that satisfy you? Or do you still think I am setting myself up to judge people by expressing that I believe what leaders of the church have taught?

Regarding what that special and painful judgement is, you could be asking about two different things: the judgement for the individual who has an abortion or encourages / pressures others to have an abortion and doesn't repent, and the judgement for a society that allows abortions.
For society, abortion is obviously a great wickedness. The eventual punishment will be something similar to the punishment that destroyed almost the entire Jaredite civilization as described in Ether 9 wherein all but Omer's family and 30 other people were killed. We won't see our population decline that much, but we will see a huge decline.

The punishment for the individual will be far more exquisite. They will die, they will meet their relatives, and among those relatives will be the children they aborted. They will come face to face with the person or people they murdered and be asked, "Why did you kill me?"

Eddie, repentance doesn't mean there is no judgment and certainly doesn't mean there is no suffering or consequence.

[gclayjr]

A reading of the scriptures repeatedly demonstrates that God is not necessarily surgical in his judgments here on earth. We live in a society, and we not only have to live with the consequences of our own decisions, but we also live with the consequences of the decisions of the society we live in. God may mitigate it somewhat, for those who are faithful, but we will still live with the judgments that come upon our society.

I believe that is one reason for the teachings related to preparation. We know something is coming, which is very likely a judgment from God. I don't know whether it will be famine, Economic collapse, war or whatever, but it will be poured not only upon those reveling in the popular Babylonian life of today, but also, all of the rest of us. We will still suffer it. It might be somewhat mitigated, if we have followed God's commandment to prepare. Also, our children are growing up in this Babylon, and we can mitigate that somewhat by keeping our family together, attending church, and teaching them correct principles...but that won't remove them from that influence, and the problems associated with it.

Regards,

George Clay

[Fiannan]

Sometimes it takes a non-religious, Freudian lesbian to declare truth. Sad we do not hear the words of wisdom in her quote more in Church.

[eddie]

There is a very special, and very unpleasant, judgement for abortion but I don't believe dysphoria is that judgement.

..................
And what is that special and painful judgement Brianj ?
Do you believe in repentance? I don't understand people making themselves the judge?
..................

Really? Do I really need to go there? Fine. Let me star by rewriting my sentence, then I'll get into judgements.
There is a very special, and very unpleasant, judgement for (+ people who have or support +) abortion (+ and don't repent +) but I don't believe dysphoria is that judgement.

Does that satisfy you? Or do you still think I am setting myself up to judge people by expressing that I believe what leaders of the church have taught?

Regarding what that special and painful judgement is, you could be asking about two different things: the judgement for the individual who has an abortion or encourages / pressures others to have an abortion and doesn't repent, and the judgement for a society that allows abortions.
For society, abortion is obviously a great wickedness. The eventual punishment will be something similar to the punishment that destroyed almost the entire Jaredite civilization as described in Ether 9 wherein all but Omer's family and 30 other people were killed. We won't see our population decline that much, but we will see a huge decline.

The punishment for the individual will be far more exquisite. They will die, they will meet their relatives, and among those relatives will be the children they aborted. They will come face to face with the person or people they murdered and be asked, "Why did you kill me?"

Did the Lord tell you this? You have no idea how merciful He will be, everything will be made right. Really, consider your own sins and stop being the judge, because you are not. Abortion is a tragic thing, some women suffer their whole lives because of it, I don't agree with it in the least bit you are extreme, the Lord is loving and caring, I think perhaps they will get to have their babies in the eternities, the opposite of what you are spouting.

[Fiannan]

...the Lord is loving and caring...

Loving does not mean permissive. Look what He did to the people of Noah's time for their arrogance...he killed tens of millions of them.

[gclayjr]

I think there is a great song by the Judds that addresses this issue:

Grandpa (Tell Me 'Bout The Good Old Days)
The Judds

Grandpa, tell me 'bout the good old days
Sometimes it feels like this world's gone crazy
And Grandpa, take me back to yesterday
When the line between right and wrong
Didn't seem so hazy

Did lovers really fall in love to stay
And stand beside each other, come what may?
Was a promise really something people kept
Not just something they would say and then forget
Did families really bow their heads to pray
Did daddies really never go away?
Oh, Grandpa, tell me 'bout the good old days

Grandpa, everything is changing fast
We call it progress, but I just don't know
And Grandpa, let's wander back into the past
And paint me the picture of long ago

Did lovers really fall in love to stay
And stand beside each other, come what may?
Was a promise really something people kept
Not just something they would say and then forget
Did families really bow their heads to pray
Did daddies really never go away?
Oh, Grandpa, tell me 'bout the good old days
Oh, Grandpa, tell me 'bout the good old days

Here is a link to the video:

Regards,

George Clay

[Fiannan]

George, thanks. When I saw the name "Judd" I thought it was a reference to Ashley Judd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffb_5X59_DA

[gclayjr]

Fiannan,


Actually they are sisters.However, I have never heard of Wynonna making any political comments.

Regards,

George Clay

[captainfearnot]

What year do you suppose they were singing about?

[gclayjr]

captainfearnot,

I don't think it was a specific year, but the song came out in 1985. In 1985, I would have been 34. I don't know if that would have been considered young enough for the song, but my grandparents, and my wife's grandparents raised their Children during the Great Depression and WW2. So I guess, that is likely the era being sung about. Certainly 1985, was 12 years after Roe V Wade, So, I guess we had been going down that path awhile when the song came out.

Regards,

George Clay