Current Times vs. Nazi Germany
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It's been a long time since I posted here and an even longer time since I posted somewhat regularly but this is question I've had in my head since before Trump was elected and it seems there are many here who might have something of substance to say about it. As I read and observe the words and actions of Trump, I can't help but find parallels to things Hitler might have said about making Germany great again or blaming their current problems on a certain religious group, calling for the registry of those in that religion. Also, as I read many things about Islam and people's thoughts and comments about Muslims, I can't help but think about things the Nazi party was saying about Jews.
I don't think Trump is Hitler and I do think radical Islam is a problem, and not at all in the same category as the Jews, so I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison, but the rhetoric is similar and concerning to me. I am not going to go as far as saying we are definitely heading down the same road as the Germans in the 30's. I'm hoping there are enough shreds left from our original government to prevent us from ever going down such a road. However, where do we draw the line? At what point to do we say enough is enough concerning radical Islam? Is it ever ethical to register and monitor people based on their religion, even if some of their religion calls for the overthrow of existing governments and the killing of all infidels? At what point do we try to reign in Trump and make sure he actually knows the Constitution exists and he can't just executive order his way into whatever it is he wants to do? (I realize a lot presidents have done this, nothing exclusive to Trump). I'm usually pretty libertarian and non-interventionist so my initial thoughts are to let Muslims live their lives and not preempt their possible threat and hold Trump to the Constitution as much as is possible when we're just little peons with very little voice. However, we're in pretty deep and I'm starting to wonder what the reasonable views on these things are because nothing seems clear cut to me anymore.
I don't think Trump is Hitler and I do think radical Islam is a problem, and not at all in the same category as the Jews, so I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison, but the rhetoric is similar and concerning to me. I am not going to go as far as saying we are definitely heading down the same road as the Germans in the 30's. I'm hoping there are enough shreds left from our original government to prevent us from ever going down such a road. However, where do we draw the line? At what point to do we say enough is enough concerning radical Islam? Is it ever ethical to register and monitor people based on their religion, even if some of their religion calls for the overthrow of existing governments and the killing of all infidels? At what point do we try to reign in Trump and make sure he actually knows the Constitution exists and he can't just executive order his way into whatever it is he wants to do? (I realize a lot presidents have done this, nothing exclusive to Trump). I'm usually pretty libertarian and non-interventionist so my initial thoughts are to let Muslims live their lives and not preempt their possible threat and hold Trump to the Constitution as much as is possible when we're just little peons with very little voice. However, we're in pretty deep and I'm starting to wonder what the reasonable views on these things are because nothing seems clear cut to me anymore.
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Some reading and viewing material -
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ons-213711" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... d-fascism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/hitler-era-su ... -are-nazis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2009/02/libe ... zi-spirit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VybWkpt_3Jo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ons-213711" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... d-fascism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/hitler-era-su ... -are-nazis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2009/02/libe ... zi-spirit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VybWkpt_3Jo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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And I am terrible at articulating myself. Basically, what are some similarities, if any, that you see in our current situation to that of Nazi Germany and what are the differences? What can we do as the average citizen to avoid going down that path? What can and should we be doing to protect ourselves from threats like radical Islam? Should we do anything or let the chips fall where they may?
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Thanks!EmmaLee wrote:Some reading and viewing material -
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ons-213711" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... d-fascism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/hitler-era-su ... -are-nazis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2009/02/libe ... zi-spirit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VybWkpt_3Jo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I realize the left is making the claim that Trump is like Hitler but I didn't come to those conclusions from reading those claims. It's just my own observations and feelings about things he's said and some of the things he's done. I thought about voting for him because Hillary just screams pure evil to me and aligns with basically none of my political beliefs. However, at the end of the day, Trump sounded too much like Hitler for me to pull the trigger on voting for him either. Maybe I'm mistaken and that's part of why I asked. I'll read all of these though and see if they help give me a clearer picture.
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Yes, please do read through them and watch the short video. These are just some of the articles I found after quickly looking - there are many more, and probably better ones, too. I didn't vote for Trump either, and I agree, Hillary is the devil incarnate - but the mainstream media and all the loud mouths out there equating Trump to Hitler are ludicrous, in my opinion (and I'm not a Trump fan) - and an accurate study of Hitler and his political beliefs will bare that out, I believe. Trump has his issues and problems, but being like Hitler isn't one of them, in my view.
Here's the real Hitler and the real Nazi's -
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
"We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: … an end to the power of the financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand … the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education … We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents … The government must undertake the improvement of public health – by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor … by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth. We combat the … materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of the common good before the individual good."
– From the political program of the Nazi Party, adopted in Munich, February 24, 1920
Another good article - https://www.conservativebookclub.com/bo ... al-fascism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Here's the real Hitler and the real Nazi's -
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
"We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: … an end to the power of the financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand … the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education … We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents … The government must undertake the improvement of public health – by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor … by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth. We combat the … materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of the common good before the individual good."
– From the political program of the Nazi Party, adopted in Munich, February 24, 1920
Another good article - https://www.conservativebookclub.com/bo ... al-fascism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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https://www.sites.google.com/site/paulr ... like-nazis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://clashdaily.com/2016/03/why-the-l ... omparison/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/01/23 ... unfounded/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/p ... mmigration" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/04/04/ ... to-hitler/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://clashdaily.com/2016/03/why-the-l ... omparison/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/01/23 ... unfounded/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/p ... mmigration" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/04/04/ ... to-hitler/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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There is no comparison
Other than both were popular leaders and important people.
Otherwise you are dreaming.
dc
Other than both were popular leaders and important people.
Otherwise you are dreaming.
dc
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Hitler and trump are/were both nationalists. They both seem to care for their country. Hitler had a different formula than trump as he was a socialist. Hitlers anger was centered at the Jewish Zionist bankers who destroyed Germany in in and after ww1. Hitler had a number of SS personnel who were Jews as well as one of his good friends. His hate was not the Jews themselves but the Jewish bankers who declared war on Germany first.... The Zionists won ww2 and continue to win to this day. Trump I am convinced was allowed by "them" to win the election. He is either with them or I fear for him if he is not that he had better watch his back like JFK....Who said basically Hitler was a great leader but when he (JFK) stood against Zionist agenda, he was removed.
The Zionists control most of the money,banks,fed,Hollywood,media,textbooks,historical narratives,etc. Why does almost every person think Hitler is the devil incarnate? Because they believe the schools and textbooks and history channel documentaries. They don't realize that much of the history we think we know is manipulated. (I am a liberty man not a socialist, but I have studied another side to history that is kept pretty quiet. The few who dare study it and question certain things about WW2 for example will instantly be put in prison in many countries for even questioning the official narrative.
This is a nasty clique whom only will be destroyed when God sends his davadic servant and Armageddon results. That is an extremely short version.
The Zionists control most of the money,banks,fed,Hollywood,media,textbooks,historical narratives,etc. Why does almost every person think Hitler is the devil incarnate? Because they believe the schools and textbooks and history channel documentaries. They don't realize that much of the history we think we know is manipulated. (I am a liberty man not a socialist, but I have studied another side to history that is kept pretty quiet. The few who dare study it and question certain things about WW2 for example will instantly be put in prison in many countries for even questioning the official narrative.
This is a nasty clique whom only will be destroyed when God sends his davadic servant and Armageddon results. That is an extremely short version.
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Who financed the rise of the 3rd Reich?cayenne wrote:Hitler and trump are/were both nationalists. They both seem to care for their country. Hitler had a different formula than trump as he was a socialist. Hitlers anger was centered at the Jewish Zionist bankers who destroyed Germany in in and after ww1. Hitler had a number of SS personnel who were Jews as well as one of his good friends. His hate was not the Jews themselves but the Jewish bankers who declared war on Germany first.... The Zionists won ww2 and continue to win. Trump I am convinced was allowed by them to win the election. He is either with them or i fear for him that he had better watch his back like JFK....Who said basically Hitler was a great leader but when he (JFK) stood against Zionist agenda, he was removed.
The Zionists control most of the money,banks,fed,Hollywood,media,textbooks,historical narratives,etc.
This is a nasty clique whom only will be destroyed when God sends his davadic servant and Armageddon results. That is an extremely short version.
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Who broke away from them? who started Germany on there own currency thereby causing the zionists to declare war on Germany?, who gave the people interest free loans? Who gave the German people their dignity back? Who caused all manner of porn and filth to leave Germany? .....Hitler was a smart man, and any and all packs he made with the zionists (such as the order to have jews peacefully leave Germany with their goods) was done for the benefit of Germany. You bet he knew who was behind the curtain, and he used whatever means necessary to attempt to stop them. It is debatable about who financed him, but even if he allowed the zionists to finance him, it was to beat them at their own game. He failed, Germany lost, and the zionists continue to rape the world and millions more dead since.
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Or Teddy Roosevelt. Actually, Roosevelt's policies sound a whole lot like Trump's.gkearney wrote:Trump is more in the mold of Mussolini than Hitler.
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I don't see Trump as a Hitler though I did initially.
I see him (as well as Lopez Obrador to the South) as Third Position types under the Fourth Political Theory.
Neither left nor right but against the center. Using socialistic, fascistic, and capitalistic principles together in a tightly woven knit.
I see him (as well as Lopez Obrador to the South) as Third Position types under the Fourth Political Theory.
Neither left nor right but against the center. Using socialistic, fascistic, and capitalistic principles together in a tightly woven knit.
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Would you care to expand on that part in red?samizdat wrote:I don't see Trump as a Hitler though I did initially.
I see him (as well as Lopez Obrador to the South) as Third Position types under the Fourth Political Theory.
Neither left nor right but against the center. Using socialistic, fascistic, and capitalistic principles together in a tightly woven knit.
What do you mean "against the center?" In opposition to? Next to?
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Hitler broke the yoke of bondage from the Zionist world banks.. that is why Germany thrived and grew and became a world power.Silver wrote:Who financed the rise of the 3rd Reich?cayenne wrote:Hitler and trump are/were both nationalists. They both seem to care for their country. Hitler had a different formula than trump as he was a socialist. Hitlers anger was centered at the Jewish Zionist bankers who destroyed Germany in in and after ww1. Hitler had a number of SS personnel who were Jews as well as one of his good friends. His hate was not the Jews themselves but the Jewish bankers who declared war on Germany first.... The Zionists won ww2 and continue to win. Trump I am convinced was allowed by them to win the election. He is either with them or i fear for him that he had better watch his back like JFK....Who said basically Hitler was a great leader but when he (JFK) stood against Zionist agenda, he was removed.
The Zionists control most of the money,banks,fed,Hollywood,media,textbooks,historical narratives,etc.
This is a nasty clique whom only will be destroyed when God sends his davadic servant and Armageddon results. That is an extremely short version.
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FDR was highly nationalistic, but I think the big deal where so many people are real crybabies, and I am someone who doesn't like Trump that much, is that people like Michael Moore who have all that money would be dead or missing if Trump were anything in the true mold of some totalitarian leader. The word Hitler is used so much it can't be taken at face value, because it's a casual epithet for someone where you don't agree with them. People need to grow up. The total whiny childishness of so many people in this world is exactly the reason why we're screwed.
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The Fourth Political Theory was popularized by one Aleksandr Dugin. He is a follower of what some people also call National Bolshevism, a type of fascism with communist undertones and some capitalism mixed in there. You can google the name, or Eurasianism, or Fourth Political Theory. He even wrote a book on the matter.samizdat wrote:I don't see Trump as a Hitler though I did initially.
I see him (as well as Lopez Obrador to the South) as Third Position types under the Fourth Political Theory.
Neither left nor right but against the center. Using socialistic, fascistic, and capitalistic principles together in a tightly woven knit.
Trump is more along those lines.
Or if you want to look up American equivalencies, he is the next Andrew Jackson.
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I am NOT a Trump fan - did not vote for him, and in the months before the election I posted again and again against him, and against HIllary.
However, I AM a student of history, especially Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Donald Trump is NOT acting in any way like Hitler - not at all. He has in NO way sought to restrict free speech, religion, assembly, the vote. He has in NO way sought to restrict firearms.
Here is an article about a woman who lived in Nazi Germany, and she says the same thing:
http://defund.com/whoa-woman-born-nazi- ... m=facebook" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In fact, it is EXACTLY the opposite - those who say that he is acting like the Nazis are THEMSELVES acting like the Nazis. They scream, rant and rave and beat up those who they even think are Trump supporters. Instead of Brown Shirts with red insignia, they wear all black, with black masks.
Wear a Trump hat on the Berkeley campus and watch what happens to you. Wear an Obama hat on the Bob Jones Univ. campus, or BYU, and NOTHING will happen to you.
Carrying banners that say "Love Trumps Hate," they burn cars, smash windows, loot, spit in faces, punch, block working men and women from egress and travel. Acting like Fascists, they scream the "Fascist" accusation at Trump.
And some of the silly American public buy it.
I have never been a Trump fan, but this is the most illogical, crazy version of demonizing and threatening I have ever heard of in American politics.
So,
However, I AM a student of history, especially Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Donald Trump is NOT acting in any way like Hitler - not at all. He has in NO way sought to restrict free speech, religion, assembly, the vote. He has in NO way sought to restrict firearms.
Here is an article about a woman who lived in Nazi Germany, and she says the same thing:
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“WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY IS GIVING ME CHILLS. TRUMP IS NOT LIKE HITLER. JUST BECAUSE A LEADER WANTS ORDER DOESN’T MEAN THEY’RE LIKE A DICTATOR.
WHAT REMINDS ME MORE OF HITLER THAN ANYTHING ELSE ISN’T TRUMP, IT’S THE DESTRUCTION OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH ON THE COLLEGE CAMPUSES — THE AGENDAS FUELED BY THE PROFESSORS. THAT’S HOW HITLER STARTED, HE PULLED IN THE YOUTH TO MISEDUCATE THEM, TO BRAINWASH THEM, IT’S HAPPENING TODAY.”
In fact, it is EXACTLY the opposite - those who say that he is acting like the Nazis are THEMSELVES acting like the Nazis. They scream, rant and rave and beat up those who they even think are Trump supporters. Instead of Brown Shirts with red insignia, they wear all black, with black masks.
Wear a Trump hat on the Berkeley campus and watch what happens to you. Wear an Obama hat on the Bob Jones Univ. campus, or BYU, and NOTHING will happen to you.
Carrying banners that say "Love Trumps Hate," they burn cars, smash windows, loot, spit in faces, punch, block working men and women from egress and travel. Acting like Fascists, they scream the "Fascist" accusation at Trump.
And some of the silly American public buy it.
I have never been a Trump fan, but this is the most illogical, crazy version of demonizing and threatening I have ever heard of in American politics.
So,
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First they came for the alternative right, but I was not alternative right so I said nothing
Then they came for the Republicans...
Then they came for the Mormon missionaries...
Then they came for the Republicans...
Then they came for the Mormon missionaries...