Immigration; Muslim Immigrants =/= Lamanite Immigrants

[JohnnyL]

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Exposing the hoax of the “poor refugees come to Europe to honestly work and earn their money because they are poor”:
Sweden: Muslims make up the main core welfare recipients and tax drain
Germany: Statistics show majority of Muslim ‘refugees’ will never work
USA: Muslim “refugees” – 91.4% on food stamps, 68.3% on Cash Welfare
Germany to Spend $6.6 Billion on 800,000 Muslim “Refugees” and Migrants
Sweden: Ten times higher welfare dependency among 16.5% foreign born – an increase of 82%
Sweden is forced to apply for EU emergency aid to afford basic needs for Muslim ‘refugees’
Holland: 50-70% of former Muslim ‘asylum seekers’ live permanently on welfare
Denmark: 90% of applicants for economic help to celebrate Christmas are Muslim – Fraud report
Costs of ‘non-Western’ immigration in Denmark have increased by over 2 billion kroner in just four years
Turks in Germany are a Financial Time Bomb – Statistics
80% of Turkish Muslim Settlers in Germany Live off Welfare

Exposing the hoax of “they are just peaceful moderate civilians who just seek war asylum”:
Most European Muslims want Sharia – not European laws
UK: 45% of Muslims support hate preachers, 11% support jihad against the West – BBC Poll
UK: Medial poll show that 1.5 million British Muslims see themselves as supporters of ISIS
Denmark: 46.1% of Muslims surveyed feel Danish law must be based on Sharia
Pew poll: 63-287 million ISIS supporters in just 11 countries
Where are ISIS supporters tweeting from?
Survey: 23% of Syrian refugees in Europe susceptible to Islamic State recruitment
Poll: 81% of Muslims surveyed support Islamic State slaughters – Al Jazeera Arabic Poll
35 million Muslim migrants may set sights on Europe
More than 42 Million Muslims support ISIS and their support is growing...

If that is true or even close to it, there are major differences between BoM Lamanite refugees and these refugees...

[Lizzy60]

I agree ^^^^^^^^^^^.

The Mormons who are promoting Muslim immigration into the USA, under the guise that we believe in religious freedom, are uninformed or misguided. Would they allow the Church of Satan to build next door to their home?

The Muslims believe their God will destroy Christians and Christ. Their God is anti-Christ, and they believe our Christ is the anti-Christ. They are polar opposites of true Christians.

[Different]

I agree ^^^^^^^^^^^.

The Mormons who are promoting Muslim immigration into the USA, under the guise that we believe in religious freedom, are uninformed or misguided. Would they allow the Church of Satan to build next door to their home?

The Muslims believe their God will destroy Christians and Christ. Their God is anti-Christ, and they believe our Christ is the anti-Christ. They are polar opposites of true Christians.

yep

[SmallFarm]

I agree ^^^^^^^^^^^.

The Mormons who are promoting Muslim immigration into the USA, under the guise that we believe in religious freedom, are uninformed or misguided. Would they allow the Church of Satan to build next door to their home?

The Muslims believe their God will destroy Christians and Christ. Their God is anti-Christ, and they believe our Christ is the anti-Christ. They are polar opposites of true Christians.

What about people who allow abortions? Are they true Christians?
Muslim immigrants are like Lamanite immigrants by the way they will be the arm of God's indignation.

[Fiannan]

I agree ^^^^^^^^^^^.

The Mormons who are promoting Muslim immigration into the USA, under the guise that we believe in religious freedom, are uninformed or misguided. Would they allow the Church of Satan to build next door to their home?

The Muslims believe their God will destroy Christians and Christ. Their God is anti-Christ, and they believe our Christ is the anti-Christ. They are polar opposites of true Christians.

What about people who allow abortions? Are they true Christians?
Muslim immigrants are like Lamanite immigrants by the way they will be the arm of God's indignation.

Are you saying they are going to wipe us out for our immorality?

[SmallFarm]

I agree ^^^^^^^^^^^.

The Mormons who are promoting Muslim immigration into the USA, under the guise that we believe in religious freedom, are uninformed or misguided. Would they allow the Church of Satan to build next door to their home?

The Muslims believe their God will destroy Christians and Christ. Their God is anti-Christ, and they believe our Christ is the anti-Christ. They are polar opposites of true Christians.

What about people who allow abortions? Are they true Christians?
Muslim immigrants are like Lamanite immigrants by the way they will be the arm of God's indignation.

Are you saying they are going to wipe us out for our immorality?

No I'm saying God will use them to wipe us out for our immorality. The only safety is in God.

[JohnnyL]

Here is what Lamanite (and Zoramite) immigrants were like:

1. First of all, there was a special territory given to immigrants, which remained:

Alma 27:22 And it came to pass that the voice of the people came, saying: Behold, we will give up the land of Jershon, which is on the east by the sea, which joins the land Bountiful, which is on the south of the land Bountiful; and this land Jershon is the land which we will give unto our brethren for an inheritance.

Alma 35:14 ...the Zoramites to repentance; and as many as were brought to repentance were driven out of their land; but they have lands for their inheritance in the land of Jershon,...

2. They were peaceful, BY COVENANT:

Alma 27:23 And behold, we will set our armies between the land Jershon and the land Nephi, that we may protect our brethren in the land Jershon; and this we do for our brethren, on account of their fear to take up arms against their brethren lest they should commit sin; and this their great fear came because of their sore repentance which they had, on account of their many murders and their awful wickedness.

3. They were converted to Jesus Christ. Even skipping that part, there's much more about their moral behavior:

Alma 27:27 And they were among the people of Nephi, and also numbered among the people who were of the church of God. And they were also distinguished for their zeal towards God, and also towards men; for they were perfectly honest and upright in all things; and they were firm in the faith of Christ, even unto the end.

Alma 62:29 ...and did begin to labor exceedingly, tilling the ground, raising all manner of grain, and flocks and herds of every kind...

4. They accepted and helped other peaceful immigrant waves set up and start their new self-sufficient lives:

Alma 35:6 ...those who were in favor of the words which had been spoken by Alma and his brethren were cast out of the land; and they were many; and they came over also into the land of Jershon.

Alma 35:9 And he breathed out many threatenings against them. And now the people of Ammon did not fear their words; therefore they did not cast them out, but they did receive all the poor of the Zoramites that came over unto them; and they did nourish them, and did clothe them, and did give unto them lands for their inheritance; and they did administer unto them according to their wants.

Alma 47: 29 Now when the servants of the king saw an army pursuing after them, they were frightened again, and fled into the wilderness, and came over into the land of Zarahemla and joined the people of Ammon.

Alma 62:17 And when [the Lamanite warriors] had entered into this covenant [Moroni] sent them to dwell with the people of Ammon, and they were in number about four thousand who had not been slain.

Alma 62:29 Therefore, all the prisoners of the Lamanites [city of Nephihah] did join the people of Ammon...

5. They felt for their new countrymen, promised to support them, and did so:

Alma 27:24 And now behold, this will we do unto our brethren, that they may inherit the land Jershon; and we will guard them from their enemies with our armies, on condition that they will give us a portion of their substance to assist us that we may maintain our armies.

Alma 43:13 And the people of Ammon did give unto the Nephites a large portion of their substance to support their armies;...

Alma 37:14 ...and [the Zoramite immigrants] have taken up arms to defend themselves, and their wives, and children, and their lands.

Alma 56:27 And now it came to pass in the second month of this year, there was brought unto us many provisions from the fathers of those my two thousand sons.

Alma 53:16 But behold, it came to pass they had many sons, who had not entered into a covenant that they would not take their weapons of war to defend themselves against their enemies; therefore they did assemble themselves together at this time, as many as were able to take up arms, and they called themselves Nephites.
17 And they entered into a covenant to fight for the liberty of the Nephites, yea, to protect the land unto the laying down of their lives; yea, even they covenanted that they never would give up their liberty, but they would fight in all cases to protect the Nephites and themselves from bondage.
18 Now behold, there were two thousand of those young men, who entered into this covenant and took their weapons of war to defend their country.
19 And now behold, as they never had hitherto been a disadvantage to the Nephites, they became now at this period of time also a great support; for they took their weapons of war, and they would that Helaman should be their leader.
20 And they were all young men, and they were exceedingly valiant for courage, and also for strength and activity; but behold, this was not all—they were men who were true at all times in whatsoever thing they were entrusted.
21 Yea, they were men of truth and soberness, for they had been taught to keep the commandments of God and to walk uprightly before him.
22 And now it came to pass that Helaman did march at the head of his two thousand stripling soldiers, to the support of the people in the borders of the land on the south by the west sea.

6. Note that all that was happening when the Nephites were wicked and much worse than them, in general. Yet, no complaining from them.

If I find more, I'll add.

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If refugees can fit that bill, bring 'em all in!

[Darren]

[Fiannan]

A people who forget to reproduce enough will be a people who will only occupy history books in the future.

[Fiannan]

Muslims support polygamy. Fundamentalist Mormons support polygamy. Our Church leaders tell us we must embrace the former and shun the latter.

[JohnnyL]

Muslims support polygamy. Fundamentalist Mormons support polygamy. Our Church leaders tell us we must embrace the former and shun the latter.

Yeah, I've never gotten that one. Feels like a family argument generations back problem...

[Fiannan]

[harakim]

The Mormons who are promoting Muslim immigration into the USA, under the guise that we believe in religious freedom, are uninformed or misguided.

Here is where the prophet and apostles met your qualifications for uninformed or misguided:
Source: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/t ... ersecution

Your Words: "The Muslims believe their God will destroy Christians and Christ."
The Facts: The belief in Jesus is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim.

Why would you post something you know nothing about? Your post literally states the opposite of the truth. I would advise that you spend some time investigating the beliefs you share with others.

America is so full of people who refuse to take the effort to find the truth. They will rely on anyone but the themselves or the Lord to spoon feed them their beliefs. Don't be one of these people.

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

[Fiannan]

Your Words: "The Muslims believe their God will destroy Christians and Christ."
The Facts: The belief in Jesus is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim.

Islam teaches that it is the only pure religion and that it must bring the world to submission to God (Allah) as the individual submits to God. True, Jews and Christians are "of the book" but not equal to Muslims. Atheists and non-book people are at bottom of the pecking order. Note: How many Muslim nations would allow a Christian or Jew to be leader? Also, Jesus is not considered the "Son of God" in Islam, just a prophet. To believe Jesus is God's son would be polytheistic and Muslims are completely monotheistic.

[mhewett]

The Mormons who are promoting Muslim immigration into the USA, under the guise that we believe in religious freedom, are uninformed or misguided.

Here is where the prophet and apostles met your qualifications for uninformed or misguided:
Source: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/t ... ersecution

Your Words: "The Muslims believe their God will destroy Christians and Christ."
The Facts: The belief in Jesus is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim.

Why would you post something you know nothing about? Your post literally states the opposite of the truth. I would advise that you spend some time investigating the beliefs you share with others.

America is so full of people who refuse to take the effort to find the truth. They will rely on anyone but the themselves or the Lord to spoon feed them their beliefs. Don't be one of these people.

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

You are right that Muslims do believe in Jesus as a prophet but they don't follow him and I'm sure you know they do not consider him as great a prophet as Mohammad.

The teachings of Jesus compared to Mohammad are in many respects absolute opposites. Christ is about free choice, Mohammad is about compulsion in all things. What does that remind you of? Lizzy is quite right that they believe that their God will destroy Christ and Christians because they are trying to do it now!! Their goal is to not only wipe out Judaism but to wipe out Christianity completely however they might let you live if you pay a tax to them but they won't let you proselyte. The goal of Islam is a worldwide caliphate. This means that Islam will rule everything, Islam is the absolute authority. Sharia is the law and would be ruthlessly carried out. They do not believe all that Jesus taught and consider it blasphemy if you preach Christ. Try preaching Christ in Saudi Arabia. I'm sure you know how well that would go down.

You accused Lizzy of not knowing what she's talking about, I don't know how much she knows but I have to wonder how much you know.

[Lizzy60]

The Mormons who are promoting Muslim immigration into the USA, under the guise that we believe in religious freedom, are uninformed or misguided.

Here is where the prophet and apostles met your qualifications for uninformed or misguided:
Source: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/t ... ersecution

Your Words: "The Muslims believe their God will destroy Christians and Christ."
The Facts: The belief in Jesus is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim.

Why would you post something you know nothing about? Your post literally states the opposite of the truth. I would advise that you spend some time investigating the beliefs you share with others.

America is so full of people who refuse to take the effort to find the truth. They will rely on anyone but the themselves or the Lord to spoon feed them their beliefs. Don't be one of these people.

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

I went to the statement on Mormon newsroom, and it doesn't say anything about Islamic belief. It also expresses concern for those fleeing persecution, and the majority of those being persecuted in Muslim countries are Christians, and other non-Muslim believers.

I am quite confident I've done more study on this subject than most Americans.

[iWriteStuff]

The Mormons who are promoting Muslim immigration into the USA, under the guise that we believe in religious freedom, are uninformed or misguided.

Here is where the prophet and apostles met your qualifications for uninformed or misguided:
Source: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/t ... ersecution

Your Words: "The Muslims believe their God will destroy Christians and Christ."
The Facts: The belief in Jesus is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim.

Why would you post something you know nothing about? Your post literally states the opposite of the truth. I would advise that you spend some time investigating the beliefs you share with others.

America is so full of people who refuse to take the effort to find the truth. They will rely on anyone but the themselves or the Lord to spoon feed them their beliefs. Don't be one of these people.

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

I went to the statement on Mormon newsroom, and it doesn't say anything about Islamic belief. It also expresses concern for those fleeing persecution, and the majority of those being persecuted in Muslim countries are Christians, and other non-Muslim believers.

I am quite confident I've done more study on this subject than most Americans.

Do you remember what the Nephites did with the conquered Lamanites after every war the Lamanites lost? They offered them land to live on right next door. They even offered land to the conquered Gadianton robbers. That's the high standard we're asked to live.

If your charity extends only to those of the same faith, it is some pretty weak sauce.

"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them who despitefully use you and persecute you."

^^^^Pretty sure I read that in a conference talk somewhere..... ;)

BTW - when news releases fail to fully explain what the church believes, observe what the church DOES. You might notice some contradictions to your interpretation.

[Darren]

Part of my extended family on my mother's side defected from the mainstream Mormon Church to go over to one of the polygamous sects. Back in the 70s my mother's mother, my grandmother took as her 3rd husband polygamous cult leader Rulon Allred, she as his 18th wife. She taught in their church run parochial school and made many inroads into their organization. My family relationship with her helped give me a view into that polygamous sect, the Apostolic United Brethren.

My grandmother made it very clear how their missionaries focus upon the members of the Mormon Church, and give to them a large booklet that quotes early prophets and general authorities about the necessity of plural marriage to gain the celestial kingdom. Their message is quite convincing and they draw many members away into their sect.

My grandmother also told me about the huge military arsenal they have hidden in their church to, "defend the Salt Lake Temple," as they feel they are called to do so at some time in the future. Prophecy of "blood running in the streets of Salt Lake City."

This is a potentially dangerous sect that preys upon rank and file Mormons, and radicalizes them.


I have many Moderate Muslim friends and co-workers and they tell me that they have the same problem in Islam. ISIS and other radical sects related to the Muslim Religion recruit among the Moderate Muslims and their children in a very cunning and aggressive way.


In the late 1970s, Utah had thousands of immigrants from Communist Asia, fleeing for a better life in boats and any way possible. But unlike the Muslim immigrants these Asian immigrants did not continue in their communist ways once they got to Utah and many of them joined the LDS Church.

No so with Muslim Immigrants.

This Muslim Immigration has the makings of an invasion force or the potential of such. Unless we can "Americanize" immigrants and keep subdued the radicalizing elements we really don't want them among us.




God Bless,
Darren

[JohnnyL]

7. They did not try to convert Nephites to the old Lamanite or Gadianton ways of life, but converted themselves, and did their best to convert others, to a better way of spiritual life.

8. They were always a blessing, and never a bane.

[Fiannan]

This Egyptian explains the plight of Christians in the Middle East today:

https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos ... f=NEWSFEED

[captainfearnot]

The Mormons who are promoting Muslim immigration into the USA, under the guise that we believe in religious freedom, are uninformed or misguided. Would they allow the Church of Satan to build next door to their home?

The Muslims believe their God will destroy Christians and Christ. Their God is anti-Christ, and they believe our Christ is the anti-Christ. They are polar opposites of true Christians.

Perhaps they are uninformed and misguided by the church itself. There are many examples of the LDS Church promoting tolerance and even appreciation of Islam. Joseph Smith called himself a second Mohammad. Articles like this promote understanding and cooperation with Islam, not revulsion.

How, then, might Latter-day Saints regard the Muslim community? The most helpful approach is to recognize the truths and values we share with our Muslim brothers and sisters, even while politely acknowledging that theological differences exist. Certainly Latter-day Saints do not agree with Islamic teachings that deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, the need for modern prophets, or the principle of eternal progression. But by being humble and open to spiritual light wherever it may be found, we benefit from the religious insights of Muslims and affirm similarities such as belief in faith, prayer, fasting, repentance, compassion, modesty, and strong families as cornerstones of individual spirituality and community life.

In a meeting with Muslim dignitaries, Elder Neal A. Maxwell of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles focused on the common spiritual heritage of Mormons and Muslims. After quoting a verse from the Qur’an, he observed: “God is the source of light in heaven and on earth. We share the belief with you. We resist the secular world. We believe with you that life has meaning and purpose. … We revere the institution of the family. … We salute you for your concern for the institution of the family. … Mutual respect, friendship, and love are precious things in today’s world. We feel those emotions for our Islamic brothers and sisters. Love never needs a visa. It crosses over all borders and links generations and cultures.”

The Prophet Joseph Smith, in one of his most eloquent pronouncements on tolerance and compassion, encouraged the Saints to expand their vision of the human family, to view people of other faiths and cultures as our Heavenly Father does and not according to the “narrow, contracted notions of men.” He taught that the Father will take complex personal, political, and social circumstances into account at the last day and render final judgment based on a divine, merciful perspective that surpasses our limited human understanding:

“While one portion of the human race is judging and condemning the other without mercy, the Great Parent of the universe looks upon the whole of the human family with a fatherly care and paternal regard; He views them as His offspring, and without any of those contracted feelings that influence the children of men, causes ‘His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.’ He holds the reins of judgment in His hands; He is a wise Lawgiver, and will judge all men, not according to the narrow, contracted notions of men, but, ‘according to the deeds done in the body whether they be good or evil,’ or whether these deeds were done in England, America, Spain, Turkey, or India. He will judge them, ‘not according to what they have not, but according to what they have,’ those who have lived without law, will be judged without law, and those who have a law, will be judged by that law. We need not doubt the wisdom and intelligence of the Great Jehovah; He will award judgment or mercy to all nations according to their several deserts, their means of obtaining intelligence, the laws by which they are governed, the facilities afforded them of obtaining correct information, and His inscrutable designs in relation to the human family; and when the designs of God shall be made manifest, and the curtain of futurity be withdrawn, we shall all of us eventually have to confess that the Judge of all the earth has done right.”

In response to questions concerning interfaith relations in the Church, I am grateful to state that we belong to a church that affirms the truths taught by Muhammad and other great teachers, reformers, and religious founders. We recognize the goodness reflected in the lives of those in other religious communities. While we do not compromise revealed eternal truths of the restored gospel, we avoid an adversarial relationship with other faiths. Rather, in accordance with modern prophetic counsel, we seek to treasure up that which is virtuous and praiseworthy in other faiths and to cultivate an attitude of “affirmative gratitude” toward them. As Latter-day Saints, we can respect and benefit from the spiritual light found in other religions, while seeking humbly to share the additional measure of eternal truth provided by latter-day revelation.

If there are differing opinions on the matter among church leadership, where are the talks and articles that proclaim Islam to be Public Enemy #1?

True, there are bad hombres among the Muslims, just like every religion. I wouldn't want to live next door to Warren Jeffs or Ron Lafferty, but that doesn't mean I think everyone else who believes the Book of Mormon to be holy writ should be banned from the country.

And for the record, I would absolutely live next door to the Church of Satan, because I happen to know that they don't actually believe in Satan (or God), let alone worship him, and are generally good secular dudes using shock value to make a point. While everyone else is running away clutching their pearls I would buy cheap and enjoy my new neighbors. But alas, they don't even build churches. So much for my plan.

[brianj]

The Mormons who are promoting Muslim immigration into the USA, under the guise that we believe in religious freedom, are uninformed or misguided.

Here is where the prophet and apostles met your qualifications for uninformed or misguided:
Source: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/t ... ersecution

Your Words: "The Muslims believe their God will destroy Christians and Christ."
The Facts: The belief in Jesus is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim.

Why would you post something you know nothing about? Your post literally states the opposite of the truth. I would advise that you spend some time investigating the beliefs you share with others.

How do you define a belief in Christ? If you think someone can say they believe in Christ, but believe He was only a prophet on the same level as Malachi or Nahum, and they really to believe in Christ then we will have to disagree about what it means to believe in Christ.

If, on the other hand, you are of the opinion that a belief in Christ is a belief that He is the Son of God and paid for our sins through the Atonement, then no Muslims are not required to believe in Jesus.

[Fiannan]

I wouldn't want to live next door to Warren Jeffs...

Would Warren Jeffs have been arrested for what he did had he lived in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?

[harakim]

Do muslims want to end Christianity? Rather, do you want to end Islam? This definitely seems to be the case of many after reading this thread. One may think Islam has a right to exist in theory, but in practice they think muslims are a threat and want them gone for their beliefs.

Are muslim extremists killing a lot of Christians? Are Christians killing a lot of muslims? Go read about how many Iraqis we killed in the Iraq war. Choose any estimate you want. ISIS pales in comparison. We killed more with sanctions than the Iraq War and still more by instigating and supporting Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. Is the murder rate higher here or in Egypt?

Does the average muslim want Americans to die? Does the average American support military action in muslim countries? How many people have you heard say we should turn the Middle East into a sea of glass?

Muslims discriminate against non-muslims? How many non-Christian presidents have we had? Do they put Christians in camps? Have we put people in camps in the US?

Someone who asks better questions than I once said:
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

I agree that we need to stem immigration from Middle Eastern countries until we can find a way to assimilate these people. I also agree that it is potentially dangerous to bring in people from these countries. I think we should be more cautious in taking them in.

I take my responsiblity to understand my neighbor seriously. I have read the Koran. I have had close relationships with people from all over the world including muslims. I have even been to the Middle East. I can tell you that most muslims are not out to get you.

There are a host of problems in muslim countries for sure. These problems are not unique to muslim countries, but are normal (realistically, often preferable) third world conditions. The third world finds things to discriminate on: family ties, secret combinations (mafia), party affiliation or money. In many Catholic and muslim countries, religion is the primary discriminator.

I see what is on the horizon for America and I have to speak up. We need to be a less war-like people.
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."


PS

I went to the statement on Mormon newsroom, and it doesn't say anything about Islamic belief. It also expresses concern for those fleeing persecution, and the majority of those being persecuted in Muslim countries are Christians, and other non-Muslim believers.

I am quite confident I've done more study on this subject than most Americans.

This would be quite a coincidence if this statement was released at the time muslim immigration was being debated in public. It would be even more puzzling if they did not mention they were excluding muslims from this statement.

[Rensai]

Do muslims want to end Christianity? Rather, do you want to end Islam? This definitely seems to be the case of many after reading this thread. One may think Islam has a right to exist in theory, but in practice they think muslims are a threat and want them gone for their beliefs.

Its indisputable that muslims want to end Christianity, they are in the process of murdering the remaining Christians in the middle east right now. The middle east used to be almost entirely Christian by the way, before the muslims started conquering it and forcing everyone to convert or die. These are well documented facts. Its not all muslims sure, but more than enough. One big difference I see between Christianity and Islam is that Islamic scriptures actually encourage and justify killing Christians and other non believers. When Christians choose offensive war, they are going against the teachings of Christ and so aren't actually being good Christians. The fault lies in the people then and not the teachings, but not so with Islam.

Secondly, you ask if we want to end Islam and then answer your own question by stating that many here definitely do in a way that implies that you think that is bad. Shouldn't we all want to end Islam? It is backwards and barbaric at best and as a Christian, you should know it will never lead those who follow it to salvation. The day will come when all will bend the knee and acknowledge Jesus is the Christ. Unfortunately, by the time it becomes that obvious who he is, it will be too late to pass the test. I'd like to help as many people see the errors of Islam and any other false beliefs before then. There's nothing wrong with that, so sure, I'd like to see Islam end as soon as possible.

Are muslim extremists killing a lot of Christians? Are Christians killing a lot of muslims? Go read about how many Iraqis we killed in the Iraq war. Choose any estimate you want. ISIS pales in comparison. We killed more with sanctions than the Iraq War and still more by instigating and supporting Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. Is the murder rate higher here or in Egypt?

That's not a fair comparison at all. The attacks on Iraq are not motivated by Christianity, but by greed and other evil desires. You can't compare the two in that way.

I agree that we need to stem immigration from Middle Eastern countries until we can find a way to assimilate these people. I also agree that it is potentially dangerous to bring in people from these countries. I think we should be more cautious in taking them in.

I'm glad you can at least see there are good reasons to be cautious about bringing Muslims in, but why do we need to bring them in at all? Did the nephites let the lamanites in? Only once as I recall, and only the anti-nephi-lehies who converted to Christianity. What about the israelites? How many times did god tell them not to mix with the pagans? Wasn't one of solomon's great sins mixing with them and letting them setup temples to their false gods in israel? God has never said we should welcome people with false religions and barbaric cultures into our lands. Just the opposite in every example I can think of from scripture. I think it would be better to help them and teach Muslims in their own countries instead of bringing them to ours. That is why he has always called missionaries to serve. God is not tolerant. That is a false, satanic lie that has been foisted onto our society by the wicked. God does not tolerate sin in the least degree, nor will he allow anyone into his heavenly kingdoms that doesn't live up to every requirement. Much like the temple in some respects. Do we allow Muslims or for that matter, nonbelievers of any kind in? Why not? Are we being intolerant and cruel to keep them out or is that ok? If so, yhy is it ok to keep them out of our temples but not our countries?

Don't get me wrong, we should be kind and charitable to everyone, muslim or otherwise, but we do not have to invite false religions into our cities or tolerate rape, murder, indoctrination, etc from them. We should help them if we can, but we have a God given duty to protect our children first, both physically and spiritually from evil influences, like Islam. Welcoming them in then, would be counter productive to that and while many Christians do that and believe they are being tolerant and kind, to me it looks like compromising with evil and putting what they see as the popular public beliefs over the well being of their families and neighbors. In the long run it won't matter, God has already unequivocally stated that this land, America, is reserved for the righteous, he will not tolerate the wicked here, so those who choose to ignore that and succor wickedness, only hasten the cleansing and destruction of the wicked from this land. That really should tell you all you need to know about whether God would want us to welcome evil into our midst or not under the guise of tolerance.

Whatsoever nation shall possess this promised land should serve God, or they should be swept off, Ether 2:9–12.

Those who support Islam and other popular evils, seem to be thriving for now and gaining more and more supporters, but it won't last, God will destroy them when the time is right and the land will once again, only be used by those who follow Christ.

I see what is on the horizon for America and I have to speak up. We need to be a less war-like people.

On this we are in agreement, Christ teaches that we should only fight defensively, but I don't have any hope that that will change until after the wicked are destroyed from the American continent.