You better hope the left never regains power

[Fiannan]

Because in their book anyone who is a conservative is a Nazi. And in their way of thinking Nazis deserve to be assaulted. And it is merely one more step until you are deemed okay to kill.

And believe me, you can be a pro-refugee Mormon who did not vote in the election out of "consciousness." These people will still beat you to unconsciousness and the left power-structure will rationalize it. After all, Mormons are hetero-centric white supremacists anyway, right?

http://www.infowars.com/video-anti-trum ... d-airport/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ajax]

The problem is, both sides want to control the levers of power in Washington and impose their vision on the country. The idea that 320 million peoples should be controlled by one city is absurd. The obvious solution is to recognize differences and advocate peaceful secession.

[captainfearnot]

I agree, Ajax (well, I don't know about the secession part), the most troubling thing is not so much which party is in power, but the increasing polarization that is leading both sides to adopt a scorched earth mentality. Maybe Fiannan is implicitly acknowledging that in the OP, and is simply stating that if it's going to be winner take all, better hope you're always the winner. But I think we should all be trying to get back to a place where reasonable compromise is the norm, rather than trying to stoke further mistrust and intransigence.

It's human nature to retreat to tribalism and that seems to be where the rest of the world is headed. We should be trying to stave that off instead of joining in.

[Fiannan]

I agree, Ajax (well, I don't know about the secession part), the most troubling thing is not so much which party is in power, but the increasing polarization that is leading both sides to adopt a scorched earth mentality. Maybe Fiannan is implicitly acknowledging that in the OP, and is simply stating that if it's going to be winner take all, better hope you're always the winner. But I think we should all be trying to get back to a place where reasonable compromise is the norm, rather than trying to stoke further mistrust and intransigence.

It's human nature to retreat to tribalism and that seems to be where the rest of the world is headed. We should be trying to stave that off instead of joining in.

As long as you have a media that keeps the hate alive expect the left to finally start doing more than beating people up. When that happens the police will come in and put such people down. The left will then accuse the police of working with the Nazis and target them. Then people will start arming up and then...fulfillment of the D & C prophesies of a civil war that will make the last one look like an episode of Little House on the Prairie.

The difference between the left and the right is that the left is based on coercion and if people stand in the way of Utopia then they will be more than happy to fertilize their gardens with the corpses of those who oppose them.

[Alaris]

Wo wo...wo! Come on people. Don't you remember? Love won.

[ajax]

The difference between the left and the right is that the left is based on coercion

Not really. The right is just as coercive as the left. What we have devolved into is outright socialists on the one hand, and nationalist/fascists on the other, both who use the power of the state to impose their wills on others. The unfortunate thing is that many liberty minded folk have been sucked into the Trump vortex in an effort to defeat the enemy, and now are stuck in supporting all sorts of non-liberty nonsense. The olive branch of liberty has come and gone (the RP revolution), rejected by both parties.

[ajax]

BTW, this will more than likely result in America's real first civil war, as both factions (socialist / nationalist) more intensely vie for the reigns of power.

(The first "civil war" wasn't really that. It didn't involve two factions fighting over control of the existing government. The South simply left, and the North didn't allow it)

[ajax]

I agree, Ajax (well, I don't know about the secession part),

Free reading:
https://mises.org/system/tdf/secession_ ... e=document" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Fiannan]

Wo wo...wo! Come on people. Don't you remember? Love won.

Mia appears to have the right values but she is only 1 in 435 congresspeople.

[Bronco73idi]

I agree, Ajax (well, I don't know about the secession part),

Free reading:
https://mises.org/system/tdf/secession_ ... e=document" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do you believe that the constitution was inspired by the lord?

What do you call the civil war in the 1860's?

[I'LLMAKEYAFAMOUS]

The conflict of ideas between the left and right will not diminish any time soon. Fiannan is 100% correct in saying these physical assaults by the left will escalate into something more and could easily spiral out of control.
No, there will be no reset to common courtesy, or mutual respect until after we reach a critical mass.

[skmo]

No, there will be no reset to common courtesy, or mutual respect until after we reach a critical mass.

I sincerely fear there is more accuracy in this than any good people want to admit. Common sense is no longer common, common courtesy has been gone even longer. There are still individuals and places where the world we once knew exists, but it's vanishing before our very eyes.

[Fiannan]

Primal energy is necessary for our survival, but for civilization to exist you need constraints on it. Generally society provides those constraints through religion, law, education and media repeating and supporting the reinforcement of those values. However, the left has been busy overturning the constraints and now the media is, in many cases, justifying unleashing hostility. One thing is for certain though, if the left gets its civil war they will feel what happens when decent people unleash their own repressed primal energy. It will not go well for them at all, especially since most of the military comes from the red state regions. I could foresee the left easily taking hold of all the urban areas of the USA, but then the people in the surrounding regions will cut off supplies to them. In a year they will have eaten each other.

[freedomforall]

2 Ne. 30:10
10 For the time speedily cometh that the Lord God shall cause a great division among the people, and the wicked will he destroy; and he will spare his people, yea, even if it so be that he must destroy the wicked by fire.

Morm. 4:5
5 But, behold, the judgments of God will overtake the wicked; and it is by the wicked that the wicked are punished; for it is the wicked that stir up the hearts of the children of men unto bloodshed.

D&C 10:37
37 But as you cannot always judge the righteous, or as you cannot always tell the wicked from the righteous, therefore I say unto you, hold your peace until I shall see fit to make all things known unto the world concerning the matter.

Doctrine and Covenants 45:33
33 And there shall be earthquakes also in divers places, and many desolations; yet men will harden their hearts against me, and they will take up the sword, one against another, and they will kill one another.


D&C 63:33
33 I have sworn in my wrath, and decreed wars upon the face of the earth, and the wicked shall slay the wicked, and fear shall come upon every man;

WWIII may have no front lines as did WWII. We may not be able to tell who the enemy is. Like in Vietnam, a Viet Cong would cut hair by day and throats by night. Scripture tells us that neighbor will be against neighbor...so fear and anxiety will be at high levels.
The good news is that the Lord says he will spare the righteous, thus, possible places of refuge.

[captainfearnot]

The conflict of ideas between the left and right will not diminish any time soon. Fiannan is 100% correct in saying these physical assaults by the left will escalate into something more and could easily spiral out of control.
No, there will be no reset to common courtesy, or mutual respect until after we reach a critical mass.

Well, not as long as every lament about increasing animosity and polarization is coupled with an accusation that all it's all the other side's fault.

[markharr]

“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” (2 Tim. 1:6–7.)

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1984/10/god- ... r?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Different]

The problem is, both sides want to control the levers of power in Washington and impose their vision on the country. The idea that 320 million peoples should be controlled by one city is absurd. The obvious solution is to recognize differences and advocate peaceful secession.

No thanks

[Robin Hood]

The difference between the left and the right is that the left is based on coercion

Not really. The right is just as coercive as the left. What we have devolved into is outright socialists on the one hand, and nationalist/fascists on the other, both who use the power of the state to impose their wills on others.

The extreme left and the extreme right are pretty much the same animal.
I call them "opposames".

Personally, I think the time is fast approaching when we as Saints should no longer participate in the political process.
Don't vote, don't stand for office, don't campaign.
We need to expend our energies in a different direction ie. establishing Zion; while the world rapidly goes to hell in a handcart.

[Silver]

The difference between the left and the right is that the left is based on coercion

Not really. The right is just as coercive as the left. What we have devolved into is outright socialists on the one hand, and nationalist/fascists on the other, both who use the power of the state to impose their wills on others.

The extreme left and the extreme right are pretty much the same animal.
I call them "opposames".

Personally, I think the time is fast approaching when we as Saints should no longer participate in the political process.
Don't vote, don't stand for office, don't campaign.
We need to expend our energies in a different direction ie. establishing Zion; while the world rapidly goes to hell in a handcart.

Ether served as a silent, non-participatory witness of the demise of the Jaredites.

As was proven in the last American presidential election, even the US latter day saints are confused and most voted for one or the other of two of the most horrible candidates we've ever been offered by the D & R different-sides-of-the-same-coin parties. If the saints didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, they likely voted for McMullin, the rogue one.

You might be on to something there, Robin Hood.

[Fiannan]

If the saints didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, they likely voted for McMullin, the rogue one.

Votes for that dude sadly indicated that one in five Utah voters were delusional.

As for the coercion of the left, the entire political ideology of the left is one of confiscation and coercion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QaZEGcoGXo&t=211s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;