Why I Am Not Going to Give Donald Trump a Break; Not Even at the Start of His Administration

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By Robert Wenzel

The Donald Trump presidency has begun.

It begins at a time when the United States economy is unstable as is United States society as a whole---as is the world.

The economy is being propped up by Federal Reserve money manipulations. This, of course, will not end well. We are headed toward accelerating price inflation and an eventual economic bust.

As far as the greater society, we have a large portion of the masses hypnotized, thanks to the government controlled education system, in bizarre political correctness views and a general leaning toward central planning. At its core, these people hold remarkably naive views, they want free healthcare, free education and free this and free that. As if free products can be declared and they will appear. And they will protest to demand the free goods and they will protest in favor of wacky cultural Marxist influenced political correctness . At the same time, on the global front, they are egged on by media, they are anti-Russia, with other factions, and overlapping factions, anti-Muslim. With the Trump side anti-Muslim and anti-Mexican.

Under these circumstances, anything could blow.

Enter Donald John Trump. He is far from a libertarian but he is taking on parts of the establishment.

Unfortunately, however, the Trump broadside is merely an internal Deep State battle. It is at its core the civil intelligence agencies against the military, with the media as an adjunct tool of the civil intelligence agencies---with other Deep State factions such as Big Oil and crony Wall Street seeming to be able to operate fully regardless of how the battle within the Deep State turns.

So while it is fun to see Trump smash at parts of the establishment, do not think for a minute that this is a smashing of the Deep State itself.

The reemergence of the military wing can be seen with Trump naming military men to extremely significant Administration positions: National Security Adviser, Department of Defense and Department of Homeland Security. These men to a man, named to these positions, hate Iran, believe Muslims, for the most part, are evil. These are not men of peace.

That crony Wall Street is still a player can be seen by the fact that, at last count, Trump has named eight crony bastards from Goldman Sachs to top positions in his Administration.

And evidence that the Big Oil influence is intact in the Trump Administration can be seen by the fact that the head of the EPA was put there on the recommendation of Big Oil. The Department of Energy will have the Big Oil friendly Rick Perry in charge, and at the epicenter of US global plotting, at Secretary of State, will be Rex Tillerson, who for the past 10 years has been the chairman and chief executive officer of Exxon Mobil.

It is delusional to think that Trump is anti-establishment with these Deep State players across his administration. He is against civil intelligence agencies and against the civil intelligence agency tool, the mainstream media, but his supporting cast is all Deep State.

Given this situation, the country is boiling. The mainstream media influenced masses are angry as hell at the Trump election. Those influenced by alternative media appreciate the attack by Trump on mainstream media but are also attracted to Trump's economic ignorance. Trump is a mad protectionist. He is @#$ backward with the voucher program that will be promoted by his incoming Secretary of Education.

The Goldman Sachs bastards in his camp are already jawboning the Fed to keep interest rates low. The Goldman Sachs bastard that will head the Treasury is calling for an expansion of the IRS.

And Trump continues to stoke Muslim fears which is music to the ears of the military Deep State faction within the Trump Administration.

On the grand stage, at the visible level, we will see massive battles and protests from various groups manipulated by the different factions of the Deep State. It will be the wacky socialist leaning, economically ignorant left versus the as wacky, as economically ignorant, nationalists captured by the personality of the military faction frontman Donald J. Trump.

It is a grave strategic error for libertarians to pick a side in this battle. This battle, which will get fierce (especially given the potential for faction agent provocateurs), is going to drown out much of the libertarian message.

This is the time it is important to push aggressively the alternative libertarian message as an alternative to the pitched battle between different factions of the Deep Sttae. But for some reason, parts of the libertarian movement have been captured by the Trump side. They give him close to unconditional support by ignoring the many Deep State influences around him, the insane protectionist policies he advocates and his taunting of Asia and his anti-Muslim positions. And they ignore what seems to be a very strong authoritarian streak in Trump that should be deeply concerning in the current unstable world.

And so at Target Liberty and EconomicPolicyJournal.com, we are not going to take a side in this Deep State battle. We will offer commentary, from the start of the Trump Administration, from a free market and libertarian perspective.

We are not going to turn a blind eye to Trump positions that go against the grain of free markets and liberty.

If Trump takes a step toward liberty, we will cheer it. If he takes steps away from liberty, we will call him out.

As this Deep State battle rages, the libertarian voice will be heard from fewer and fewer quarters but it will always be heard at Target Liberty and EconomicPolicyJournal.com.

Robert Wenzel is Editor & Publisher of EconomicPolicyJournal.com and Target Liberty. He also writes EPJ Daily Alert and is author of The Fed Flunks: My Speech at the New York Federal Reserve Bank. Follow him on twitter:@wenzeleconomics and on LinkedIn.

[David13]

Ajax
It really isn't up to you to give President Trump anything.
dc

[ajax]

You know what this really means David. I will defend the principles of liberty even if it means being at odds with a [-GASP-] Trump presidency and all the Trump fanboys here.

[David13]

Ajax
I'm going to be at odds with many a thing that Trump does or allows.
However, it will be far less than the odds with which I was with a whole lot more things done by his predecessor, or which may have been done by the beast.
So, I'm at peace.
dc

[larsenb]

You know what this really means David. I will defend the principles of liberty even if it means being at odds with a [-GASP-] Trump presidency and all the Trump fanboys here.

You simply can't have free trade in the best sense of that word, when you have an extremely uneven playing field. Ain't going to happen. Trump is pragmatic enough to understand that and gives strong indication that he is taking the next best fall-back position, trying to bring back manufacturing to the US and increase the number of real jobs available.

I know you don't agree with that, but I'm not seeing you suggest how we level the playing field when we are up against dictatorial countries and countries that subsidize their manufacturing sectors in ways that undercut US-based manufacturing.

One can see that you're certainly passionate about what you believe based on the number of separate threads you keep creating trying to get your point across.

[Silver]

Ajax
It really isn't up to you to give President Trump anything.
dc

I don't understand at all what you're trying to say to Ajax. How is that even a valid response to the article he posted? Why don't you choose a few of the points and post a coherent rebuttal?

The article posted by Ajax illuminates quite well the quandary I have felt in trying to describe Trump and his rhetoric. I have even mentioned the possibility of the Gadiantons being at war among themselves in previous posts, but couldn't quite nail down all the moving pieces the way this article does.

Larsen frequently scolds me because I appear to overlook the strong statements Trump makes against elites. OK, fine. But not all elites. Look at who has joined his cabinet.

All I can say definitively is that Satan desires conflict and disputations and contention. He's large and in charge right now. I have zero trust in Trump. I will admit that at least on the surface he might be better than Hillary. However, given that many on the right side of the political spectrum will drop their vigilance due to Trump's election, the net effect will be bad.

[David13]

Even if you are vigilant, what difference does it make?
Donald Trump is the President now and we have no choice but to trust him.
That's why I voted for him. Because I knew I couldn't trust the beast.
So now I'm going to prepare for classes tomorrow, and not pontificate about Ajax's charity and magnanimity toward the new President.
dc

[Silver]

Education is the key. Education and charity. And faith in action.

Good luck preparing for your classes. I'm giving a talk in sacrament meeting tomorrow on Mosiah 2:17. Wish me luck. Better yet, wish me everybody in the chapel falling asleep for 15 minutes.

[David13]

Sleep nothing.
Your job is to keep them awake for 15 minutes, and enlighten and inspire them in the gospel, and to bring Mosiah 2:17 into perspective for them. May the Lord guide you in your talk.
dc

[eddie]

You know what this really means David. I will defend the principles of liberty even if it means being at odds with a [-GASP-] Trump presidency and all the Trump fanboys here.

It seems some people are at at odds with most everything,
the Church, the President, The military, etc., its a bad habit.
There are things left in this world to be happy about, if one chooses to see it.

President Trump should be given the chance to make good on his pledges. He should be given the opportunity to work his policies, get his cabinet together and prove that his promises build new infrastructure, double GDP growth – create jobs and work with allies to eradicate ISIL.

We live in the greatest country in the world, we have the restored gospel, a Prophet and Apostles to lead us by the direction of Jesus Christ. We have covenants and saving ordinances, we can be sealed to our families, power in the Priesthood, why reject what is truth and happiness?

“As you accept the responsibility to seek after truth with an open mind and a humble heart, you will become more tolerant of others, more open to listen, more prepared to understand, more inclined to build up instead of tearing down, and you will be more willing to go where God wants you to go." President Utchdorf

[eddie]

Ajax
It really isn't up to you to give President Trump anything.
dc

I don't understand at all what you're trying to say to Ajax. How is that even a valid response to the article he posted? Why don't you choose a few of the points and post a coherent rebuttal?

The article posted by Ajax illuminates quite well the quandary I have felt in trying to describe Trump and his rhetoric. I have even mentioned the possibility of the Gadiantons being at war among themselves in previous posts, but couldn't quite nail down all the moving pieces the way this article does.

Larsen frequently scolds me because I appear to overlook the strong statements Trump makes against elites. OK, fine. But not all elites. Look at who has joined his cabinet.

All I can say definitively is that Satan desires conflict and disputations and contention. He's large and in charge right now. I have zero trust in Trump. I will admit that at least on the surface he might be better than Hillary. However, given that many on the right side of the political spectrum will drop their vigilance due to Trump's election, the net effect will be bad.

__________________________________________________________________
I am appalled at the length some have lowered themselves to in degrading our new President.
__________________________________________________________________

We are in debt, our schools are not educating our children, our intra-structure a disaster.
______________________________________________________________
Regardless how anyone voted the people of this country have spoken loud and clear. To disparage him in this manner, when he hasn't even began to serve this Country, is a cowardly way to show Freedom of Speech.
_____________________________________

[skmo]

Ajax
It really isn't up to you to give President Trump anything.
dc

I don't understand at all what you're trying to say to Ajax. How is that even a valid response to the article he posted? Why don't you choose a few of the points and post a coherent rebuttal?

It made perfect sense to me, even though David and I differ on our views of Trump.

[Silver]

Ajax
It really isn't up to you to give President Trump anything.
dc

I don't understand at all what you're trying to say to Ajax. How is that even a valid response to the article he posted? Why don't you choose a few of the points and post a coherent rebuttal?

It made perfect sense to me, even though David and I differ on our views of Trump.

OK, I see the problem now. Ajax copied and pasted the title of the article at the link he provided in his original post. David might have taken that as being written by Ajax.

[Silver]

Ajax
It really isn't up to you to give President Trump anything.
dc

I don't understand at all what you're trying to say to Ajax. How is that even a valid response to the article he posted? Why don't you choose a few of the points and post a coherent rebuttal?

The article posted by Ajax illuminates quite well the quandary I have felt in trying to describe Trump and his rhetoric. I have even mentioned the possibility of the Gadiantons being at war among themselves in previous posts, but couldn't quite nail down all the moving pieces the way this article does.

Larsen frequently scolds me because I appear to overlook the strong statements Trump makes against elites. OK, fine. But not all elites. Look at who has joined his cabinet.

All I can say definitively is that Satan desires conflict and disputations and contention. He's large and in charge right now. I have zero trust in Trump. I will admit that at least on the surface he might be better than Hillary. However, given that many on the right side of the political spectrum will drop their vigilance due to Trump's election, the net effect will be bad.

__________________________________________________________________
I am appalled at the length some have lowered themselves to in degrading our new President.
__________________________________________________________________

We are in debt, our schools are not educating our children, our intra-structure a disaster.
______________________________________________________________
Regardless how anyone voted the people of this country have spoken loud and clear. To disparage him in this manner, when he hasn't even began to serve this Country, is a cowardly way to show Freedom of Speech.
_____________________________________

eddie,
Thanks for your opinion. How about rebutting the arguments made in the article instead?

[David13]

Ajax
It really isn't up to you to give President Trump anything.
dc

I don't understand at all what you're trying to say to Ajax. How is that even a valid response to the article he posted? Why don't you choose a few of the points and post a coherent rebuttal?

It made perfect sense to me, even though David and I differ on our views of Trump.

OK, I see the problem now. Ajax copied and pasted the title of the article at the link he provided in his original post. David might have taken that as being written by Ajax.

It doesn't matter if it was written by Ajax. It was posted by Ajax, thus adopted by Ajax, thus parroted by Ajax. Now, I understand that that is not always so with a poster. But I think it is in this case.
Or, if you will, consider my comment then made directly to the author in the quote. As they say, same answer.
Hey, why are you not working on your talk? It's perfect already?
dc

[Silver]

I don't understand at all what you're trying to say to Ajax. How is that even a valid response to the article he posted? Why don't you choose a few of the points and post a coherent rebuttal?

It made perfect sense to me, even though David and I differ on our views of Trump.

OK, I see the problem now. Ajax copied and pasted the title of the article at the link he provided in his original post. David might have taken that as being written by Ajax.

It doesn't matter if it was written by Ajax. It was posted by Ajax, thus adopted by Ajax, thus parroted by Ajax. Now, I understand that that is not always so with a poster. But I think it is in this case.
Or, if you will, consider my comment then made directly to the author in the quote. As they say, same answer.
Hey, why are you not working on your talk? It's perfect already?
dc

Ha! And you your classes.

[Elizabeth]

This is said often by Americans, but it is not so. We all have our own opinions on that. In my opinion Australia is the best.

We live in the greatest country in the world,

[ajax]

You know what this really means David. I will defend the principles of liberty even if it means being at odds with a [-GASP-] Trump presidency and all the Trump fanboys here.

You simply can't have free trade in the best sense of that word, when you have an extremely uneven playing field. Ain't going to happen. Trump is pragmatic enough to understand that and gives strong indication that he is taking the next best fall-back position, trying to bring back manufacturing to the US and increase the number of real jobs available.

I know you don't agree with that, You are correct. See here, here and here. but I'm not seeing you suggest how we level the playing field when we are up against dictatorial countries and countries that subsidize their manufacturing sectors in ways that undercut US-based manufacturing. Why would I suggest anything when I don't think it's a problem? As far as manufacturing, see here and here.

One can see that you're certainly passionate about what you believe based on the number of separate threads you keep creating trying to get your point across.

[eddie]

Ajax
It really isn't up to you to give President Trump anything.
dc

I don't understand at all what you're trying to say to Ajax. How is that even a valid response to the article he posted? Why don't you choose a few of the points and post a coherent rebuttal?

The article posted by Ajax illuminates quite well the quandary I have felt in trying to describe Trump and his rhetoric. I have even mentioned the possibility of the Gadiantons being at war among themselves in previous posts, but couldn't quite nail down all the moving pieces the way this article does.

Larsen frequently scolds me because I appear to overlook the strong statements Trump makes against elites. OK, fine. But not all elites. Look at who has joined his cabinet.

All I can say definitively is that Satan desires conflict and disputations and contention. He's large and in charge right now. I have zero trust in Trump. I will admit that at least on the surface he might be better than Hillary. However, given that many on the right side of the political spectrum will drop their vigilance due to Trump's election, the net effect will be bad.

__________________________________________________________________
I am appalled at the length some have lowered themselves to in degrading our new President.
__________________________________________________________________

We are in debt, our schools are not educating our children, our intra-structure a disaster.
______________________________________________________________
Regardless how anyone voted the people of this country have spoken loud and clear. To disparage him in this manner, when he hasn't even began to serve this Country, is a cowardly way to show Freedom of Speech.
_____________________________________

eddie,
Thanks for your opinion. How about rebutting the arguments made in the article instead?

:ymparty:

[Silver]

I don't understand at all what you're trying to say to Ajax. How is that even a valid response to the article he posted? Why don't you choose a few of the points and post a coherent rebuttal?

The article posted by Ajax illuminates quite well the quandary I have felt in trying to describe Trump and his rhetoric. I have even mentioned the possibility of the Gadiantons being at war among themselves in previous posts, but couldn't quite nail down all the moving pieces the way this article does.

Larsen frequently scolds me because I appear to overlook the strong statements Trump makes against elites. OK, fine. But not all elites. Look at who has joined his cabinet.

All I can say definitively is that Satan desires conflict and disputations and contention. He's large and in charge right now. I have zero trust in Trump. I will admit that at least on the surface he might be better than Hillary. However, given that many on the right side of the political spectrum will drop their vigilance due to Trump's election, the net effect will be bad.

__________________________________________________________________
I am appalled at the length some have lowered themselves to in degrading our new President.
__________________________________________________________________

We are in debt, our schools are not educating our children, our intra-structure a disaster.
______________________________________________________________
Regardless how anyone voted the people of this country have spoken loud and clear. To disparage him in this manner, when he hasn't even began to serve this Country, is a cowardly way to show Freedom of Speech.
_____________________________________

eddie,
Thanks for your opinion. How about rebutting the arguments made in the article instead?

Silver, why don't you make like horse poop and hit the trail? :ymparty:

Quoted for perpetuity.

eddie, you can question someone's motives for disparaging Trump "when he hasn't even began to serve this Country," but history is a fantastic guide. For decades now, elitists and bankers and the CFR has been running the shadow government. So when thinking people see the same group taking all the important positions in the government again, it is not unwise to suspect we've been fooled again. In fact, it is the prudent thing to be wary.

We only have to go back 8 years when Obama was elected. Of course, the fawning masses were certain their messiah had arrived, but wise people could look at the team he assembled and know trouble was brewing. If people could know in advance that Obama was no good, why must we wait to make any judgments about the Trump administration?

Please, for yourself, consider just one choice, probably the most important choice of all. Steven Mnuchin is headed for the Secretary of the Treasury position. He just said that he think the IRS headcount should be increased. Tell me how many true conservatives agree with that statement. But that's not all. Mnuchin committed home foreclosure crimes with his bank in California. The judge that let him get away with it is now in politics with a donation from Mnuchin. How do you feel about that?

How do you feel about this?
Helaman 7:
4 And seeing the people in a state of such awful wickedness, and those Gadianton robbers filling the judgment-seats—having usurped the power and authority of the land; laying aside the commandments of God, and not in the least aright before him; doing no justice unto the children of men;

5 Condemning the righteous because of their righteousness; letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover to be held in office at the head of government, to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory of the world, and, moreover, that they might the more easily commit adultery, and steal, and kill, and do according to their own wills—

[eddie]

__________________________________________________________________
I am appalled at the length some have lowered themselves to in degrading our new President.
__________________________________________________________________

We are in debt, our schools are not educating our children, our intra-structure a disaster.
______________________________________________________________
Regardless how anyone voted the people of this country have spoken loud and clear. To disparage him in this manner, when he hasn't even began to serve this Country, is a cowardly way to show Freedom of Speech.
_____________________________________

eddie,
Thanks for your opinion. How about rebutting the arguments made in the article instead?

Silver, why don't you make like horse poop and hit the trail? :ymparty:

Quoted for perpetuity.

eddie, you can question someone's motives for disparaging Trump "when he hasn't even began to serve this Country," but history is a fantastic guide. For decades now, elitists and bankers and the CFR has been running the shadow government. So when thinking people see the same group taking all the important positions in the government again, it is not unwise to suspect we've been fooled again. In fact, it is the prudent thing to be wary.

We only have to go back 8 years when Obama was elected. Of course, the fawning masses were certain their messiah had arrived, but wise people could look at the team he assembled and know trouble was brewing. If people could know in advance that Obama was no good, why must we wait to make any judgments about the Trump administration?

Please, for yourself, consider just one choice, probably the most important choice of all. Steven Mnuchin is headed for the Secretary of the Treasury position. He just said that he think the IRS headcount should be increased. Tell me how many true conservatives agree with that statement. But that's not all. Mnuchin committed home foreclosure crimes with his bank in California. The judge that let him get away with it is now in politics with a donation from Mnuchin. How do you feel about that?

How do you feel about this?
Helaman 7:
4 And seeing the people in a state of such awful wickedness, and those Gadianton robbers filling the judgment-seats—having usurped the power and authority of the land; laying aside the commandments of God, and not in the least aright before him; doing no justice unto the children of men;

Whatever Silver, interpret the scripture how you will, I think some of the gadianton's have been removed for the moment!

5 Condemning the righteous because of their righteousness; letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover to be held in off

Do you consider yourself righteous? Is it righteous to judge a person as harshly as you have done President Trump. Hypocrite!




Oh please! History is not a fantastic guide when it comes to Donald Trump, he is like nothing we've seen before, a result of the perfect storm created by the likes of Criminal Hillary, lying politicians, open borders, and all the things that people with common sense realize is a problem.

I have loved every minute of it, pure joy! The worse the lying media and crooked politicians talked about Trump, the more popular he became! Trump exposed the media, it was beautiful! I don't remember when I've had such a good time, I particularly like the moment the Obama's flew off into the sunset.

[Silver]

eddie,
Thanks for your opinion. How about rebutting the arguments made in the article instead?

Silver, why don't you make like horse poop and hit the trail? :ymparty:

Quoted for perpetuity.

eddie, you can question someone's motives for disparaging Trump "when he hasn't even began to serve this Country," but history is a fantastic guide. For decades now, elitists and bankers and the CFR has been running the shadow government. So when thinking people see the same group taking all the important positions in the government again, it is not unwise to suspect we've been fooled again. In fact, it is the prudent thing to be wary.

We only have to go back 8 years when Obama was elected. Of course, the fawning masses were certain their messiah had arrived, but wise people could look at the team he assembled and know trouble was brewing. If people could know in advance that Obama was no good, why must we wait to make any judgments about the Trump administration?

Please, for yourself, consider just one choice, probably the most important choice of all. Steven Mnuchin is headed for the Secretary of the Treasury position. He just said that he think the IRS headcount should be increased. Tell me how many true conservatives agree with that statement. But that's not all. Mnuchin committed home foreclosure crimes with his bank in California. The judge that let him get away with it is now in politics with a donation from Mnuchin. How do you feel about that?

How do you feel about this?
Helaman 7:
4 And seeing the people in a state of such awful wickedness, and those Gadianton robbers filling the judgment-seats—having usurped the power and authority of the land; laying aside the commandments of God, and not in the least aright before him; doing no justice unto the children of men;

Whatever Silver, interpret the scripture how you will, I think the gadianton's have been removed for the moment!

5 Condemning the righteous because of their righteousness; letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover to be held in office at the head of government, to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory of the world, and, moreover, that they might the more easily commit adultery, and steal, and kill, and do according to their own wills—

Yep, we the people have removed them for the time being, and they are licking their wounds.



Oh please! History is not a fantastic guide when it comes to Donald Trump, he is like nothing we've seen before, a result of the perfect storm created by the likes of Criminal Hillary, lying politicians, open borders, and all the things that people with common sense realize is a problem.

I have loved every minute of it, pure joy! The worse the lying media and crooked politicians talked about Trump, the more popular he became! Trump exposed the media, it was beautiful! I don't remember when I've had such a good time, I particularly like the moment the Obama's flew off into the sunset. Now about that horse.....

I sincerely pity your lack of understanding. The Gadiantons will not be removed from their place without a fight. Did they ever peacefully walk away in the Book of Mormon. You have created some imaginary world that does not exist.

[eddie]

Silver, why don't you make like horse poop and hit the trail? :ymparty:

Quoted for perpetuity.

eddie, you can question someone's motives for disparaging Trump "when he hasn't even began to serve this Country," but history is a fantastic guide. For decades now, elitists and bankers and the CFR has been running the shadow government. So when thinking people see the same group taking all the important positions in the government again, it is not unwise to suspect we've been fooled again. In fact, it is the prudent thing to be wary.

We only have to go back 8 years when Obama was elected. Of course, the fawning masses were certain their messiah had arrived, but wise people could look at the team he assembled and know trouble was brewing. If people could know in advance that Obama was no good, why must we wait to make any judgments about the Trump administration?

Please, for yourself, consider just one choice, probably the most important choice of all. Steven Mnuchin is headed for the Secretary of the Treasury position. He just said that he think the IRS headcount should be increased. Tell me how many true conservatives agree with that statement. But that's not all. Mnuchin committed home foreclosure crimes with his bank in California. The judge that let him get away with it is now in politics with a donation from Mnuchin. How do you feel about that?

How do you feel about this?
Helaman 7:
4 And seeing the people in a state of such awful wickedness, and those Gadianton robbers filling the judgment-seats—having usurped the power and authority of the land; laying aside the commandments of God, and not in the least aright before him; doing no justice unto the children of men;

Whatever Silver, interpret the scripture how you will, I think the gadianton's have been removed for the moment!

5 Condemning the righteous because of their righteousness; letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover to be held in office at the head of government, to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory of the world, and, moreover, that they might the more easily commit adultery, and steal, and kill, and do according to their own wills—

Yep, we the people have removed them for the time being, and they are licking their wounds.



Oh please! History is not a fantastic guide when it comes to Donald Trump, he is like nothing we've seen before, a result of the perfect storm created by the likes of Criminal Hillary, lying politicians, open borders, and all the things that people with common sense realize is a problem.

I have loved every minute of it, pure joy! The worse the lying media and crooked politicians talked about Trump, the more popular he became! Trump exposed the media, it was beautiful! I don't remember when I've had such a good time, I particularly like the moment the Obama's flew off into the sunset. Now about that horse.....

I sincerely pity your lack of understanding. The Gadiantons will not be removed from their place without a fight. Did they ever peacefully walk away in the Book of Mormon. You have created some imaginary world that does not exist.

Isaiah 32:6. What are some effects of hypocrisy?

Alma 34:17-29. How does Amulek describe hypocrisy?

Matthew 6:1-18. Is doing the right thing for the wrong reason a form of hypocrisy?

3 Nephi 13:1-18. How can hypocrisy be overcome?

D&C 50:6-8. What will eventually happen to hypocrites?

Moroni 7:6-10. What does the Lord think of the practice of doing the right things for the wrong reasons?

[eddie]

Silver, why don't you make like horse poop and hit the trail? :ymparty:

Quoted for perpetuity.

eddie, you can question someone's motives for disparaging Trump "when he hasn't even began to serve this Country," but history is a fantastic guide. For decades now, elitists and bankers and the CFR has been running the shadow government. So when thinking people see the same group taking all the important positions in the government again, it is not unwise to suspect we've been fooled again. In fact, it is the prudent thing to be wary.

We only have to go back 8 years when Obama was elected. Of course, the fawning masses were certain their messiah had arrived, but wise people could look at the team he assembled and know trouble was brewing. If people could know in advance that Obama was no good, why must we wait to make any judgments about the Trump administration?

Please, for yourself, consider just one choice, probably the most important choice of all. Steven Mnuchin is headed for the Secretary of the Treasury position. He just said that he think the IRS headcount should be increased. Tell me how many true conservatives agree with that statement. But that's not all. Mnuchin committed home foreclosure crimes with his bank in California. The judge that let him get away with it is now in politics with a donation from Mnuchin. How do you feel about that?

How do you feel about this?
Helaman 7:
4 And seeing the people in a state of such awful wickedness, and those Gadianton robbers filling the judgment-seats—having usurped the power and authority of the land; laying aside the commandments of God, and not in the least aright before him; doing no justice unto the children of men;

Whatever Silver, interpret the scripture how you will, I think the gadianton's have been removed for the moment!

5 Condemning the righteous because of their righteousness; letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover to be held in office at the head of government, to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory of the world, and, moreover, that they might the more easily commit adultery, and steal, and kill, and do according to their own wills—

Yep, we the people have removed them for the time being, and they are licking their wounds.



Oh please! History is not a fantastic guide when it comes to Donald Trump, he is like nothing we've seen before, a result of the perfect storm created by the likes of Criminal Hillary, lying politicians, open borders, and all the things that people with common sense realize is a problem.

I have loved every minute of it, pure joy! The worse the lying media and crooked politicians talked about Trump, the more popular he became! Trump exposed the media, it was beautiful! I don't remember when I've had such a good time, I particularly like the moment the Obama's flew off into the sunset. Now about that horse.....

I sincerely pity your lack of understanding. The Gadiantons will not be removed from their place without a fight. Did they ever peacefully walk away in the Book of Mormon. You have created some imaginary world that does not exist.

No I haven't! We don't need crybabies right now, we need HEROES!

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You know what this really means David. I will defend the principles of liberty even if it means being at odds with a [-GASP-] Trump presidency and all the Trump fanboys here.

You simply can't have free trade in the best sense of that word, when you have an extremely uneven playing field. Ain't going to happen. Trump is pragmatic enough to understand that and gives strong indication that he is taking the next best fall-back position, trying to bring back manufacturing to the US and increase the number of real jobs available.

I know you don't agree with that, You are correct. See here, here and here. but I'm not seeing you suggest how we level the playing field when we are up against dictatorial countries and countries that subsidize their manufacturing sectors in ways that undercut US-based manufacturing. Why would I suggest anything when I don't think it's a problem? As far as manufacturing, see here and here.

One can see that you're certainly passionate about what you believe based on the number of separate threads you keep creating trying to get your point across.

Are you able to state your case in your own words? Next question, would you? Following links as arguments isn't a very effective way to discuss things. You're the guy trying to make the case. Make it.