Brace Yourselves: It's Going to Be Trumpcare

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We are will not be getting a free market in healthcare. Apparently, we will just be getting a different form of government intrusion into the healthcare system under Donald J. Trump.

According to the Washington Post, Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid.

Notes The Post:

Trump’s plan is likely to face questions from the right, following years of GOP opposition to further expansion of government involvement in the health-care system...The objectives of broadening access to insurance and lowering health-care costs have always been in conflict, and it remains unclear how the plan that the incoming administration is designing — or ones that will emerge on Capitol Hill — will address that tension...

Trump said his plan for replacing most aspects of Obama’s health-care law is all but finished. Although he was coy about its details — “lower numbers, much lower deductibles” — he said he is ready to unveil it alongside Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

“It’s very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven’t put it in quite yet but we’re going to be doing it soon,” Trump said. He noted that he is waiting for his nominee for secretary of health and human services, Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), to be confirmed. That confirmation rests with the Senate Finance Committee, which has not yet scheduled a hearing.

Much lower deductibles? So is Trump setting the rules on this rather than market forces? And how does he intend to pay for the lower deductibles for those "who can't pay for insurance themseleves"?

Sounds like horrific central planning to me.

Trading one central planner for another. Tis the way of the gentile. God bless our benefactors.

[Silver]

Ajax, stop it. You're destroying the whole Republican = good/Democrat = bad paradigm. That won't sit well with the Trumpsters on LDSFF who prefer to silently chew their cud now that Her...She...The Pant Suit® has been defeated.

[mes5464]

Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

[Ezra]

It's good to see he is still making sure that all people are required to buy insurance or get it for free thanks to other people paying more. I was worried for that the insurance companies would be in trouble. Glad to see that their pockets are lined by the government still.

Thank you trumpbama care.

[Silver]

During the Great Depression (caused by the bankers), FDR (supported by the bankers) promised a "chicken in every pot" so hungry, out-of-work Americans voted for him and thus allowed socialism to make great inroads in America. Now all the fake patriots on LDSFF despise FDR without realizing that their Orange Deliverer is worse than FDR. When will we learn that the government that governs least, governs best?

Here, I'll let the words of The Hair convict himself...

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Just two days after both the House and Senate passed a budget resolution clearing the way to repeal and replace Obamacare, the President-elect has told the Washington Post that his replacement bill is nearly complete and envisions "insurance for everybody." Although no specific timeline was given for the announcement of legislation, the CR passed by Congress last week gives the various committees until January 27th to present a bill. Per Reuters:

"It’s very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven’t put it in quite yet but we’re going to be doing it soon," Trump told the Post, adding he was waiting for his nominee for health and human services secretary, Tom Price, to be confirmed.

The plan, he said, would include "lower numbers, much lower deductibles," without elaborating.

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

“It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered. I don’t want single-payer. What I do want is to be able to take care of people,” he added.

[GrandMasterB]

During the Great Depression (caused by the bankers), FDR (supported by the bankers) promised a "chicken in every pot" so hungry, out-of-work Americans voted for him and thus allowed socialism to make great inroads in America. Now all the fake patriots on LDSFF despise FDR without realizing that their Orange Deliverer is worse than FDR. When will we learn that the government that governs least, governs best?

Here, I'll let the words of The Hair convict himself...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-1 ... are-repeal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Just two days after both the House and Senate passed a budget resolution clearing the way to repeal and replace Obamacare, the President-elect has told the Washington Post that his replacement bill is nearly complete and envisions "insurance for everybody." Although no specific timeline was given for the announcement of legislation, the CR passed by Congress last week gives the various committees until January 27th to present a bill. Per Reuters:

"It’s very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven’t put it in quite yet but we’re going to be doing it soon," Trump told the Post, adding he was waiting for his nominee for health and human services secretary, Tom Price, to be confirmed.

The plan, he said, would include "lower numbers, much lower deductibles," without elaborating.

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

“It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered. I don’t want single-payer. What I do want is to be able to take care of people,” he added.

LOL "Orange Deliverer" :))

Sounds to me like Trump is the perfect guy to sell the American people a single payer program. The people who voted for him will be too prideful to admit they royally screwed up and will stay on the Trump train no matter what. Socialized medicine here we come!

[dconrad000]

[Silver]

Rand Paul sez:
1. The gov't is going to LET Americans buy inexpensive insurance plans.
2. The gov't is going to ALLOW for tax credits related to insurance
3. The gov't is going to ALLOW people to form groups or coops.

Isn't that precious?

To which I respond:
1. Before the gov't became a haven for tyrants like the Clintons & the Bushes & Obama & Trump, people could buy inexpensive insurance plans, expensive insurance plans, or, by golly, if they wanted to, they could buy no insurance plan at all.
2. Before the gov't became the epicenter of Gadiantonism, US citizens didn't need to seek tax credits because the Feds weren't charging them any income tax to begin with.
3. Before the Luciferians in the federal government combined to take away our liberty, the Bill of Rights were ratified to reinforce the idea that the gov't had no authority under the Constitution to abridge American's existing freedoms among which is something legally known as the freedom of association.

So, Doc, strike 3, you're out. You're defending another petty tyrant in your blind support of Trump. But don't worry. One day, you'll wake up. And as promised, I'll leave the light on for you so you can find your way home.

[dconrad000]

Watch who Trump nominates for the Supreme Court, shortly.

[Silver]

Watch who Trump nominates for the Supreme Court, shortly.

That's one way of responding, point by point, to the tail-whuppin' you just got.

[dconrad000]

With respect to Obamacare specifically, I trust Trump's ability to repeal and replace it with something better -- far more than I trust your ability to get anything done.

[gkearney]

During the Great Depression (caused by the bankers), FDR (supported by the bankers) promised a "chicken in every pot"

Oh the irony in this post is just amazing It was not Franklin Roosevelt that promised a "chicken in every pot" It was none other than Herbert Hoover who did.

During the presidential campaign of 1928, a circular published by the Republican Party claimed that if Herbert Hoover won there would be "a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage." Hoover of course won that election and a year later in November of 1929 the stock market crashed and the Great Depression began.

It is always a good idea to check ones facts prior to posting.

[Silver]

With respect to Obamacare specifically, I trust Trump's ability to repeal and replace it with something better -- far more than I trust your ability to get anything done.

Stay on task there, good buddy. The argument in this thread is that having the government in charge of our healthcare which comprises 17% of our GDP is a bad idea. Why can't the US government simply leave us alone to make financial and health decisions for ourselves. All the adults in the room realize that having the government "take care" of us never turns out good. This is true no matter which of the two major parties has been in power.

A few examples:
1. US postal service
2. Welfare
3. Warfare
4. Education
5. Employment
6. Foreign policy

If Trumps want to offer the employees of his various companies some outstanding health insurance, more power to him. But he should keep his bloody, tyrannical hands off my health and out of my life.

[Silver]

During the Great Depression (caused by the bankers), FDR (supported by the bankers) promised a "chicken in every pot"

Oh the irony in this post is just amazing It was not Franklin Roosevelt that promised a "chicken in every pot" It was none other than Herbert Hoover who did.

During the presidential campaign of 1928, a circular published by the Republican Party claimed that if Herbert Hoover won there would be "a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage." Hoover of course won that election and a year later in November of 1929 the stock market crashed and the Great Depression began.

It is always a good idea to check ones facts prior to posting.

Thanks. I stand corrected. I'm no fan of Republicans either. To my point though, FDR still implemented unprecedented levels of socialism.

[ajax]

Hoover vs FDR. A distinction without a difference? Both interventionists.

[Silver]

During the Great Depression (caused by the bankers), FDR (supported by the bankers) promised a "chicken in every pot"

Oh the irony in this post is just amazing It was not Franklin Roosevelt that promised a "chicken in every pot" It was none other than Herbert Hoover who did.

During the presidential campaign of 1928, a circular published by the Republican Party claimed that if Herbert Hoover won there would be "a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage." Hoover of course won that election and a year later in November of 1929 the stock market crashed and the Great Depression began.

It is always a good idea to check ones facts prior to posting.

Thanks. I stand corrected. I'm no fan of Republicans either. To my point though, FDR still implemented unprecedented levels of socialism.

Well, it turns out that it wasn't actually Hoover that uttered that phrase either. The Republican National Committee put out an ad mentioning the chicken and car.

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[dconrad000]

The reality is that the plan as explained by Rand Paul, indeed does remove many of the stifling government mandates currently in place. It will be a great improvement, giving much more liberty and choice to those who wish to participate.

I am comfortable with people hearing what Rand Paul has to say about it and drawing their own conclusion.

[Silver]

The reality is that the plan as explained by Rand Paul, indeed does remove many of the stifling government mandates currently in place. It will be a great improvement, giving much more liberty and choice to those who wish to participate.

I am comfortable with people hearing what Rand Paul has to say about it and drawing their own conclusion.

I am all for liberty. That's the plan that brought us to earth after all. I am against mandatory central planning of things like salvation and healthcare. You seem to be predisposed otherwise.

[dconrad000]

You are free to bow out of Medicare when the time comes if you are not already on it. Just eat right and exercise and let nature take its course.

[Silver]

You are free to bow out of Medicare when the time comes if you are not already on it. Just eat right and exercise and let nature take its course.

That's one way of responding, point by point, to the tail-whuppin' you just got.

[dconrad000]

...hmmm...isn't that what those guys who didn't stone the girl said, as they quietly slunk away?

[Silver]

...hmmm...isn't that what those guys who didn't stone the girl said, as they quietly slunk away?

Stick to doctoring, Doc. Stand up comedy is still a few years away for you.

[brianj]

Ajax, stop it. You're destroying the whole Republican = good/Democrat = bad paradigm. That won't sit well with the Trumpsters on LDSFF who prefer to silently chew their cud now that Her...She...The Pant Suit® has been defeated.

I have met some church members who are not shy about expressing their beleif that Clinton was an angel in disguse. But the way accountability for her obvious crimes was set aside fits the Book of Mormon description of Gaddianton Robbers. Who were the other choices? A libertarian party candidate who started showing less and less difference between his position and Clinton or an independent write-in candidate who expressed that his big hope was that if he didn't win, an apparent Gaddianton would win.

Democrats don't seem to have had much say in the primaries, with how the DNC worked like the Gaddiantons to advance their preferred candidate. The Republicans were so foucsed on appealing to their core that they ignored the voters who had been ignored by candidates and politicians from both parties for a long time, opening a door for Trump to takee advantage of.

Most people I know, even in the church, have an attitutde of Republican == bad, Democrat == much worse.

[Bronco73idi]

What's with all the political talk lol I post this for a 3rd time. I personally believe it would be a sin to vote for someone who wants a world government that isn't the lord himself. We are taught he will establish his government. We were also taught thru his guidance he established the new world with freedoms and liberty. When we have rulers take that away we fall into more sin, i.e. Obama = country is more slothful.

[eddie]

...hmmm...isn't that what those guys who didn't stone the girl said, as they quietly slunk away?

Stick to doctoring, Doc. Stand up comedy is still a few years away for you.

#-o 8-| @-)