Furthermore this same type of dismissive, "i know what you are, what you don't get, etc." is exactly the spirit the Church takes when one has a sincere question. This is deeper than (to use your own approach) you understand I fear... I doubt you will get it, because "i know for a fact" your type which is spoken of in many private facebook groups for a fact... see the problem with your approach yet? ;) - why would anyone want to join a church with such a brick wall manner of thinking?larsenb wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2017, 2:57 pm I didn't say you were a lunatic.
My apologies... you said it exactly, "inhabited by lunatics and to be avoided" I now see your righteousness and superior knowledge and too intellectual to stoop to such lowly conversations about detestable flat earth concepts... I now see clearly where I am not welcome in your perfect world where all are (opposites of lunatic) right, bright, stable, nimble, clever, smart, Sharp-witted, weighty, humorless, ultrasmart, earnest, sobersided, solemn, balanced, lucid, serious, Compos-mentis, sane, unsmiling, grave, brainy, clearheaded, sedate, uncomic, no-nonsense, staid, keen, hyperintelligent, sharp, fast, brilliant, severe, quick-witted, intelligent, supersmart, alert, exceptional, normal, quick, sober, po-faced..
I said or meant that most people coming on to this forum for the first time would think the forum a host for lunatics after seeing a 'serious' ongoing topic refuting the globe-like earth. That's simply a fact.
This type of "I know for a fact that most people coming not his forum THINK..." a certain way smells heavy of D&C 131:27 to us... "dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness"
You can't know what others think coming for the first time to this forum, maybe one or two who spoke about it, that is completely out of anyone's capacity unless they are heavily judgemental and believe they know other's motives, hearts, thoughts, etc.. Do you really stand by that statement that you know for a fact that is how the majority of people think coming to this forum?
I've already seen that attitude about this forum in other forums based on much less controversial topics discussed here. Of course, others might say: Wow, this is a really open-minded forum. This is the place for me!
Empty argument here. I can say the exact same thing entirely to the opposite if I were to lump everyone into my narrow bias as well. What is so controversial and offensive to you in this? Is this how you will treat your child if he or she comes to you asking questions about a flat earth, will you say, "Son / Daughter.... YOU ARE A FREAKING LUNATIC! and an embarrassment to the family...? =; "
And regarding your comment about Joseph Smith and his first vision, do you understand that experiences of the 'Spirit', are seldom transferable, except by the same Spirit? Science deals with the 5 senses.
If you have had a spiritual confirmation confirming that the Pearl of Great Price is true and correct, that is wonderful. If you make the same claim about the earth being flat . . . sorry, but it would make me doubt any other claims you make about the Spirit confirming this or that for you.
And once again, "Being skeptical regarding the claims of Nephi or Noah that they were going to build boats is in an entirely different category than disputing the existing facts supporting a globe-like earth." As are Moses believing that the Red Sea would part, or Joseph Smith having an actual experience of God and his Son visiting him in resurrected bodies. Do you understand the differences??
From your responses, I doubt it.
Two words. D&C 131:27.
To use your own tactic.
Do you understand that scripture? I doubt it from your responses.
Pretty dismissive isn't it? No thanks to any more of my time with someone who "knows for a fact" what others intelligence and understanding are. Borderline abusive, all too familiar spirit in the LDS culture, esp. on this forum, albeit passive aggressive, it is abuse, telling someone what they do and don't understand, as if you were the all knowing demi-god with stuardship over their understanding. good luck with that.
I think we will find better company with the Lehi's, Samuel the Lamanites, and Christ where they were not so keen on the majority opinions and facts, "scientific tools and all".