BYU = Ignorance is Dangerous

[inho]

In Israel, many married women, who are Orthodox Jews, wear very beautiful and colorful scarfs that cover their hair. They do not cover their faces. I think the colorful scarfs make the older women look more beautiful. The hijab, however, looks dark and sinister.

Hijab doesn't cover the face either, that would be niqab or burka.

[creator]

Some have reported the original post in this thread and asked me to remove it to due the display of the temple garments. I understand some of you find this public display "terribly wrong" and "inappropriate" but the LDS Church does not share that view. The video/image you are complaining about was published by the LDS Church. You might want to re-think your views. Do you really want me to condemn something the Church felt is okay for public display?

Source:
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/temple-garments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTz_NQqKA8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[eddie]

Some have reported the original post in this thread and asked me to remove it to due the display of the temple garments. I understand some of you find this public display "terribly wrong" and "inappropriate" but the LDS Church does not share that view. The video/image you are complaining about was published by the LDS Church. You might want to re-think your views. Do you really want me to condemn something the Church felt is okay for public display?

Source:
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/temple-garments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTz_NQqKA8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was not me who complained, just for the record, the displaying of the garment on this post was not done in the correct manner, it was
blasphemous, stating that if " You take off the garment, its outer darkness forever," which is false, a person can repent.

[Todd]

Some have reported the original post in this thread and asked me to remove it to due the display of the temple garments. I understand some of you find this public display "terribly wrong" and "inappropriate" but the LDS Church does not share that view. The video/image you are complaining about was published by the LDS Church. You might want to re-think your views. Do you really want me to condemn something the Church felt is okay for public display?

Source:
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/temple-garments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTz_NQqKA8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was not me who complained, just for the record, the displaying of the garment on this post was not done in the correct manner, it was
blasphemous, stating that if " You take off the garment, its outer darkness forever," which is false, a person can repent.

Ditto about not being the one who complained. In fact I think it's a great idea to leave ithink's ridiculous post. It only serves to discredit ithink as " You take off the garment, its outer darkness forever," is a blatant lie.

[Vision]

Oh boy, where do I start. @-)

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=42580806" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

byuhijab.JPG

A seemingly nice gesture, but in reality, these students are totally naive. Do they not know that real Muslim women in real Muslim societies CANNOT take the hijab off? Well, they can, but if they do....

I can see your outrage, but it doesn't matter. In only a matter of a few short generations, all women will be required to wear the hijab or even worse. The future always favors the fertile -- and guess who's having the babies? Not the left-wing social justice warriors.

Better get used to it.

it only takes one generation to adopt Western selfish culture of low fertility. We will get used to it.

[ithink]

True culture is the French bikini, a Scottish kilt, a British cheesecutter, a Polynesian grass skirt, etc. A hijab is not like these.

Image you wanted women to dress conservatively, but as an endowed member, you didn't ask them to dress conservatively, you MANDATED that they wear T-shirt garments or any equivalent. They would of course, not to look stupid, cover them up with their clothing.

Islam mandates that the hijab be worn, so it is a religious vestment, not a cultural one. Cultural ways of dress may have had a religious origin, but the best examples have none, and other good ones have no discernible connection to religion any more. That is what makes the hijab so horrible -- it's in your face Islam. Not to mention it's the quintessential demonstration of the union of church and state, which historically has been at the worst humanitarian disasters in history.

I don't see anything wrong with this. It is just experiencing and appreciating another culture. My wife has several muslim friends who wear the hijab. Active LDS women in Saidi Arabia, Qatar, Kawait City, and UAE wear the hijab in public.

[ithink]

Good call Brian, that is why I carefully selected a screenshot from the church's own website. For the record also, if they hadn't published that, I wouldn't have either, I know what these things mean to active LDS members.

Some have reported the original post in this thread and asked me to remove it to due the display of the temple garments. I understand some of you find this public display "terribly wrong" and "inappropriate" but the LDS Church does not share that view. The video/image you are complaining about was published by the LDS Church. You might want to re-think your views. Do you really want me to condemn something the Church felt is okay for public display?

Source:
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/temple-garments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTz_NQqKA8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ithink]

Feel free to move on... let's see if you do.

People do goofy things all the time, yet I still don't care.

Hijab wearing to a decent extent is something I would associate with Arab culture in addition to Muslim culture.

Some Muslims do not wear them.

Muslims are the most hated group in America.

Move on.

[ithink]

Good point. So it get's even worse...

In Israel, many married women, who are Orthodox Jews, wear very beautiful and colorful scarfs that cover their hair. They do not cover their faces. I think the colorful scarfs make the older women look more beautiful. The hijab, however, looks dark and sinister.

Hijab doesn't cover the face either, that would be niqab or burka.

[ithink]

Let's talk about this carefully.

You cannot get a TR without wearing the garment, but you say one will get the celestial kingdom regarless? How is that, do the "rules" vanish when we die? Or does God know more than his servants?

ie. I want to marry some girl in the temple, but I refuse to put that on? Yet I am fit for the kingdom?

Sounds ridiculous to me, perhaps you can clarify with reason rather than a blast of hot air.

Some have reported the original post in this thread and asked me to remove it to due the display of the temple garments. I understand some of you find this public display "terribly wrong" and "inappropriate" but the LDS Church does not share that view. The video/image you are complaining about was published by the LDS Church. You might want to re-think your views. Do you really want me to condemn something the Church felt is okay for public display?

Source:
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/temple-garments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTz_NQqKA8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was not me who complained, just for the record, the displaying of the garment on this post was not done in the correct manner, it was
blasphemous, stating that if " You take off the garment, its outer darkness forever," which is false, a person can repent.

Ditto about not being the one who complained. In fact I think it's a great idea to leave ithink's ridiculous post. It only serves to discredit ithink as " You take off the garment, its outer darkness forever," is a blatant lie.

[skmo]

Don't poke an angry bear. Eventually it will get tired of clawing through air and roaring angrily to itself and find somewhere else to roar.

Unfortunately, not everyone in society has figured this simple trick out.

[eddie]

If this is the same ithink, ithink it is, then ithink we are definitely poking at an angry bear,
at least ithink so.

[eddie]

Let's talk about this carefully.

You cannot get a TR without wearing the garment, but you say one will get the celestial kingdom regarless? How is that, do the "rules" vanish when we die? Or does God know more than his servants?

ie. I want to marry some girl in the temple, but I refuse to put that on? Yet I am fit for the kingdom?

Sounds ridiculous to me, perhaps you can clarify with reason rather than a blast of hot air.

Some have reported the original post in this thread and asked me to remove it to due the display of the temple garments. I understand some of you find this public display "terribly wrong" and "inappropriate" but the LDS Church does not share that view. The video/image you are complaining about was published by the LDS Church. You might want to re-think your views. Do you really want me to condemn something the Church felt is okay for public display?

Source:
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/temple-garments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTz_NQqKA8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was not me who complained, just for the record, the displaying of the garment on this post was not done in the correct manner, it was
blasphemous, stating that if " You take off the garment, its outer darkness forever," which is false, a person can repent.

Ditto about not being the one who complained. In fact I think it's a great idea to leave ithink's ridiculous post. It only serves to discredit ithink as " You take off the garment, its outer darkness forever," is a blatant lie.

Samuel the Lamanite declared:

“And now remember, remember, my brethren, that whosoever perisheth, perisheth unto himself; and whosoever doeth iniquity, doeth it unto himself; for behold, ye are free; ye are permitted to act for yourselves; for behold, God hath given unto you a knowledge and he hath made you free.

“He hath given unto you that ye might know good from evil, and he hath given unto you that ye might choose life or death; and ye can do good and be restored unto that which is good, or have that which is good restored unto you; or ye can do evil, and have that which is evil restored unto you” (Hel. 14:30–31).

"I believe there is a critical body of knowledge relating to the temple garment. When that knowledge is obtained, Latter-day Saints filled with faith wear the garment and wear it properly, not because someone is policing their actions but because they understand the virtues of the sacred clothing and want to “do good and be restored unto that which is good.” On the other hand, when one does not understand the sacred nature of the temple garment, the tendency is to treat it casually and regard it as just another piece of cloth." Elder Carlos E. Asay

[Fiannan]

I know a guy who is an immigrant from southern Europe and lives in a Scandinavian nation. He is Christian, but shares many of the dietary tastes of people from places like Syria and north Africa. He has written me and stated that in the past couple of years the regulars at the places he frequents are transforming. Many of the men who, in the past, were clean-shaven have grown out full beards and their women have gone from western attire to hijabs and even burkas.

There may be two reasons for this.

1) Massive numbers of immigrants have moved into their neighborhoods and maybe the norms have switched from gradual westernization to going more traditional.

2) When you live in nations that often feature men making out with men, or women with women, total promotion of anti-Christian views in state schools and the like many women may see covering up as a way to express being separated from decadent cultures.

[mmm..cheese]

Feel free to move on... let's see if you do.

People do goofy things all the time, yet I still don't care.

Hijab wearing to a decent extent is something I would associate with Arab culture in addition to Muslim culture.

Some Muslims do not wear them.

Muslims are the most hated group in America.

Move on.

In all honesty, I have personal experience that verifies that some of your ideas on this subject are not entirely correct. You are seeing the wearing of a hijab in a certain light and are stereotyping an entire religion and people. There are many different sects of Islam and different cultures within islam and I think I have demonstrably moved on.

I have some muslim friends. They have more than just a few things in common with LDS.

I have moved on.

Are you still worried about the habits of a culture you are not from and are relatively less familiar with?

[iWriteStuff]

Has anyone considered that maybe these girls just did it for the attention? @-)

[Fiannan]

Has anyone considered that maybe these girls just did it for the attention? @-)

No dates?

[tribrac]

I decided to have some fun with this, imagine if the headline read:

For the past three Wednesdays, Sandra Sasser and 11 others have worn Pioneer Dresses to school at BYU to show support for Utah's polygamous community.

For the past three Wednesdays, Sandra Sasser and 11 others have worn body piercings & Tatoos to school at BYU to show support for Utah's punk community.

For the past three Wednesdays, Scott Sasser and 11 of his friends have worn beards to school at BYU to show support for Utah's mountain men community.

For the past three Wednesdays, Scott Sasser and 11 of his friends have worn women's clothes to school at BYU to show support for Utah's women community.

For the past three Wednesdays, Sandra Sasser and 11 others have dressed like Disney characters to school at BYU to show support for Utah's children community.

For the past three Wednesdays, Sandra Sasser and 11 others have dressed differently at BYU to bring attention to themselves.

[Fiannan]

I would suggest the gals wear the Niqab. ;)

[skmo]

I decided to have some fun with this, imagine if the headline read:

For the past three Wednesdays, Sandra Sasser and 11 others have worn Pioneer Dresses to school at BYU to show support for Utah's polygamous community.

For the past three Wednesdays, Sandra Sasser and 11 others have worn body piercings & Tatoos to school at BYU to show support for Utah's punk community.

For the past three Wednesdays, Scott Sasser and 11 of his friends have worn beards to school at BYU to show support for Utah's mountain men community.

For the past three Wednesdays, Scott Sasser and 11 of his friends have worn women's clothes to school at BYU to show support for Utah's women community.

For the past three Wednesdays, Sandra Sasser and 11 others have dressed like Disney characters to school at BYU to show support for Utah's children community.

For the past three Wednesdays, Sandra Sasser and 11 others have dressed differently at BYU to bring attention to themselves.

You forgot a day to have them wear fur to school to show support for my people, the Eskimos.

[larsenb]

I don't see anything wrong with this. It is just experiencing and appreciating another culture. My wife has several muslim friends who wear the hijab. Active LDS women in Saidi Arabia, Qatar, Kawait City, and UAE wear the hijab in public.

In Israel, many married women, who are Orthodox Jews, wear very beautiful and colorful scarfs that cover their hair. They do not cover their faces. I think the colorful scarfs make the older women look more beautiful. The hijab, however, looks dark and sinister.

My reaction to fully veiled women (black diaphanous floor length material, w/a very thin slit for the eyes) during a recent experience in Oman, was one of being more intrigued by these women than not. Nothing like seeing something dark and sinister in their veiling.

For me, the veils make them even alluring in an odd way . . . attractive and worthy of attention and regard. It occurred to me that they were the protected power-houses of the family. The hidden engine of viability.

You could contrast these women with a few European/American women that would cross our paths now and again, who were wearing shorts wi/maybe decollete showing or some otherwise revealing or provocative clothing. These latter came across as vulgar in comparison.

That was my reaction, anyway.

[Patriot16]

Yes, we Mormons are always setting off bombs, shooting people, driving trucks into crowded markets, chanting death to anyone who doesn't convert as we march in the street, beating non believers.
Yes, very similar.
dc

How about Mormons massacring an entire wagon train of men, women, and children because it is believed some of the people on the train participated in the murder of Joseph Smith. Note: none of them were connected to Pres. Smith's death.

Patriot16

[David13]

And you equate or compare that to thousands upon thousands of attacks, bombings, shootings and other miscellaneous mayhem, perhaps hundreds of hundreds of thousands of incidents?
You don't know the difference between the fly specks and a large mountain of dirt. And that is why you are on my ignore list. dc

[Fiannan]

Yes, we Mormons are always setting off bombs, shooting people, driving trucks into crowded markets, chanting death to anyone who doesn't convert as we march in the street, beating non believers.
Yes, very similar.
dc

How about Mormons massacring an entire wagon train of men, women, and children because it is believed some of the people on the train participated in the murder of Joseph Smith. Note: none of them were connected to Pres. Smith's death.

Patriot16

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I have never heard a Mormon in my life praise that incident, have you?

[eddie]

Yes, we Mormons are always setting off bombs, shooting people, driving trucks into crowded markets, chanting death to anyone who doesn't convert as we march in the street, beating non believers.
Yes, very similar.
dc

How about Mormons massacring an entire wagon train of men, women, and children because it is believed some of the people on the train participated in the murder of Joseph Smith. Note: none of them were connected to Pres. Smith's death.

Patriot16

"As the troops were making their way west in the summer of 1857, so were thousands of overland emigrants. Some of these emigrants were Latter-day Saint converts en route to Utah, but most westbound emigrants were headed for California, many with large herds of cattle. The emigration season brought many wagon companies to Utah just as Latter-day Saints were preparing for what they believed would be a hostile military invasion. The Saints had been violently driven from Missouri and Illinois in the prior two decades, and they feared history might repeat itself." lds.org


Also a man from Arkansas said he had the gun Joseph Smith was killed with. There's the connection to Joseph Smith.