The Scary TRUTH About Donald Trump

[freedomforall]

Doctrine and Covenants 123
And also it is an imperative duty that we owe to all the rising generation, and to all the pure in heart--
For there are many yet on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations, who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it--
Therefore, that we should waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness, wherein we know them; and they are truly manifest from heaven--
These should then be attended to with great earnestness.
Let no man count them as small things; for there is much which lieth in futurity, pertaining to the saints, which depends upon these things.

I doubt you barely begin knowing hidden things of darkness.
Did you know that during the Vietnam conflict, the Rockefeller's and the Eaton's, during the Nixon administration were supplying weapons to the enemy? Did you also know that 50,000 troops were killed over there for no reason other than to help the rich get richer and socialism to expand?

Excerpts from None Dare Call It Conspiracy:

Nelson Rockefeller greets Khrushchev, the infamous "Butcher of Budapest." The Rockefeller and Eaton families have now joined forces to build war production plants behind the Iron Curtain so that the Communists can become a bigger threat to U. S. survival. America spends $70 billion a year ostensibly on defense and then the Rockefellers build aluminum mills for the Communists. Only the absence of a formal declaration of war in Vietnam keeps the Eatons and Rockefellers from being actionable for treason. They have the blood of nearly 50,000 American servicemen on their hands.

Certainly every loyal American will say to himself, "Well, I would hope to God the Soviets couldn't walk into our defense plants and buy a patent." The Rockefellers and the Eatons have solved that problem for the Communists. Now, instead of dealing with an official agency of the Soviet government, American concerns will be dealing with the Rockefellers. Meanwhile, nearly 50,000 Americans have died in Vietnam, many of them killed by weapons which the Rockefellers directly or indirectly supplied to our avowed enemies. Only the technicality of the lack of a formal declaration of war prevents the Rockefellers' trading in the blood of dead Americans from being actionable as treason.

Gaibraith then proceeds to list the giant steps toward socialism taken by the Nixon Administration. The conclusion one draws from the article is that socialism, whether it be from the Democrat or Republican Parties, is inevitable. Fellow Harvard socialist Dr. Arthur Schlesinger has said much the same thing:

"The chief liberal gains in the past generally remain on the statute books when the conservatives recover power liberalism grows constantly more liberal, and by the same token, conservatism grows constantly less conservative…"

So concerning Trump, why don't you give it a rest? Seems like the hidden things of darkness has only one directive....bash Trump. Let's face it, you can't love your neighbor and at the same time verbally send him to hell.


BTW, President Benson recommended this book and desired all saints to read it. I have.
http://whale.to/b/allen_b1.html#6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[GradyKeyser]

Doctrine and Covenants 123
And also it is an imperative duty that we owe to all the rising generation, and to all the pure in heart--
For there are many yet on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations, who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it--
Therefore, that we should waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness, wherein we know them; and they are truly manifest from heaven--
These should then be attended to with great earnestness.
Let no man count them as small things; for there is much which lieth in futurity, pertaining to the saints, which depends upon these things.

I doubt you barely begin knowing hidden things of darkness.
Did you know that during the Vietnam conflict, the Rockefeller's and the Eaton's, during the Nixon administration were supplying weapons to the enemy? Did you also know that 50,000 troops were killed over there for no reason other than to help the rich get richer and socialism to expand?

Excerpts from None Dare Call It Conspiracy:

Nelson Rockefeller greets Khrushchev, the infamous "Butcher of Budapest." The Rockefeller and Eaton families have now joined forces to build war production plants behind the Iron Curtain so that the Communists can become a bigger threat to U. S. survival. America spends $70 billion a year ostensibly on defense and then the Rockefellers build aluminum mills for the Communists. Only the absence of a formal declaration of war in Vietnam keeps the Eatons and Rockefellers from being actionable for treason. They have the blood of nearly 50,000 American servicemen on their hands.

Certainly every loyal American will say to himself, "Well, I would hope to God the Soviets couldn't walk into our defense plants and buy a patent." The Rockefellers and the Eatons have solved that problem for the Communists. Now, instead of dealing with an official agency of the Soviet government, American concerns will be dealing with the Rockefellers. Meanwhile, nearly 50,000 Americans have died in Vietnam, many of them killed by weapons which the Rockefellers directly or indirectly supplied to our avowed enemies. Only the technicality of the lack of a formal declaration of war prevents the Rockefellers' trading in the blood of dead Americans from being actionable as treason.

Gaibraith then proceeds to list the giant steps toward socialism taken by the Nixon Administration. The conclusion one draws from the article is that socialism, whether it be from the Democrat or Republican Parties, is inevitable. Fellow Harvard socialist Dr. Arthur Schlesinger has said much the same thing:

"The chief liberal gains in the past generally remain on the statute books when the conservatives recover power liberalism grows constantly more liberal, and by the same token, conservatism grows constantly less conservative…"

So concerning Trump, why don't you give it a rest? Seems like the hidden things of darkness has only one directive....bash Trump. Let's face it, you can't love your neighbor and at the same time verbally send him to hell.


BTW, President Benson recommended this book and desired all saints to read it. I have.
http://whale.to/b/allen_b1.html#6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

President BRIGHAM YOUNG
" Love your enemies !" What, love hell? When people do that, they get where devils are. If it had been written, "Love the spirits God has placed in tabernacles, and try to reclaim them and do them good, and pray for those who despitefully use you," I would feed and clothe them, take peculiar care of them, and place them where they would not hurt anybody. You may think that I am disputing the Bible. If you understood what the Lord means when he talks about loving his children, you would understand that he does not love them as they are now; for he hates and is angry with the wicked. He dislikes their wicked acts, but he loves his children, because he has organized them, and he wishes to see them obedient.
Journal of Discourses Vol 08 41:7

[freedomforall]

Doctrine and Covenants 123
And also it is an imperative duty that we owe to all the rising generation, and to all the pure in heart--
For there are many yet on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations, who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it--
Therefore, that we should waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness, wherein we know them; and they are truly manifest from heaven--
These should then be attended to with great earnestness.
Let no man count them as small things; for there is much which lieth in futurity, pertaining to the saints, which depends upon these things.

I doubt you barely begin knowing hidden things of darkness.
Did you know that during the Vietnam conflict, the Rockefeller's and the Eaton's, during the Nixon administration were supplying weapons to the enemy? Did you also know that 50,000 troops were killed over there for no reason other than to help the rich get richer and socialism to expand?

Excerpts from None Dare Call It Conspiracy:

Nelson Rockefeller greets Khrushchev, the infamous "Butcher of Budapest." The Rockefeller and Eaton families have now joined forces to build war production plants behind the Iron Curtain so that the Communists can become a bigger threat to U. S. survival. America spends $70 billion a year ostensibly on defense and then the Rockefellers build aluminum mills for the Communists. Only the absence of a formal declaration of war in Vietnam keeps the Eatons and Rockefellers from being actionable for treason. They have the blood of nearly 50,000 American servicemen on their hands.

Certainly every loyal American will say to himself, "Well, I would hope to God the Soviets couldn't walk into our defense plants and buy a patent." The Rockefellers and the Eatons have solved that problem for the Communists. Now, instead of dealing with an official agency of the Soviet government, American concerns will be dealing with the Rockefellers. Meanwhile, nearly 50,000 Americans have died in Vietnam, many of them killed by weapons which the Rockefellers directly or indirectly supplied to our avowed enemies. Only the technicality of the lack of a formal declaration of war prevents the Rockefellers' trading in the blood of dead Americans from being actionable as treason.

Gaibraith then proceeds to list the giant steps toward socialism taken by the Nixon Administration. The conclusion one draws from the article is that socialism, whether it be from the Democrat or Republican Parties, is inevitable. Fellow Harvard socialist Dr. Arthur Schlesinger has said much the same thing:

"The chief liberal gains in the past generally remain on the statute books when the conservatives recover power liberalism grows constantly more liberal, and by the same token, conservatism grows constantly less conservative…"

So concerning Trump, why don't you give it a rest? Seems like the hidden things of darkness has only one directive....bash Trump. Let's face it, you can't love your neighbor and at the same time verbally send him to hell.


BTW, President Benson recommended this book and desired all saints to read it. I have.
http://whale.to/b/allen_b1.html#6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

President BRIGHAM YOUNG
" Love your enemies !" What, love hell? When people do that, they get where devils are. If it had been written, "Love the spirits God has placed in tabernacles, and try to reclaim them and do them good, and pray for those who despitefully use you," I would feed and clothe them, take peculiar care of them, and place them where they would not hurt anybody. You may think that I am disputing the Bible. If you understood what the Lord means when he talks about loving his children, you would understand that he does not love them as they are now; for he hates and is angry with the wicked. He dislikes their wicked acts, but he loves his children, because he has organized them, and he wishes to see them obedient.
Journal of Discourses Vol 08 41:7

Did you know that Brigham Young also taught the now denounced Adam-god doctrine? Or do you believe that worthless doctrine as well?

Tell us, which of these two sources take precedence? The words out of the JOD, or the revealed word of God?
And I conclude that you assume every word out of the mouths of past church leaders were inspired by the power of the Holy Ghost. Anything not taught by this power is not scripture.
I challenge you to prove that all sayings in the JOD were inspired by the Holy Ghost. IMHO, the words of Brigham, above, are directed right at you. Maybe you should start loving Trump and praying for him as a child of God instead of condemning him.

[simpleton]

[/quote]

Tell us, which of these two sources take precedence? The words out of the JOD, or the revealed word of God?
And I conclude that you assume every word out of the mouths of past church leaders were inspired by the power of the Holy Ghost. Anything not taught by this power is not scripture.
I challenge you to prove that all sayings in the JOD were inspired by the Holy Ghost. IMHO, the words of Brigham, above, are directed right at you. Maybe you should start loving Trump and praying for him as a child of God instead of condemning him.[/quote]

All the philosophizing, wresting, reading, arguing, "proving" in the world will not convince anybody beyond a doubt that anything of scripture is true or not. Only that Spirit that beareth record , and even then it seems some will still deny.
As I view it (and to each his own) it is just as easy to believe those controversial doctrines that Brigham taught as to not believe them....
Also men voting to canonize some words of God and voting to not canonize others does not make null and void God's word. I am sure most of you have read, or at least heard of "unpublished revelations" , they are not canonized , but, are they the word of God? And I am sure you will say that they are not binding on the church as that they are not accepted or "official doctrine". But nevertheless, are they the word of God?

Brigham Young was taught at the knees of the Prophet Joseph Smith, and Brigham never turned his heel at the Prophet. Brigham was faithful to the end. Now did he make mistakes? I am sure he did just like any man. But now we ( some of us anyways) call him a racist, we even call Joseph a racist, and an awful polygamous and I suppose if there was a way to write both of those men out of the picture we would do that also. Actually there are some that have written Brigham Young off, and would probably write Joseph off also , if he didnt just happen to be the one that started mormonism. But that is their right to believe what they want..

Brigham Young makes the statement that in regards to the Adam/God doctrine that it is a matter of salvation.
"Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation" BY JofD.
Well that is what I do, or where I am at in regards to these so called controversial doctrines, I "pause" and do not make light of them.

Ok, back to the original idea of "proving" whether the JOD is the word of God or not, or whether when the men preaching those discourses were enlightened by the power of the Spirit when they were speaking or preaching, and if they were enlightened when preaching those discourses, by what spirit was it? You cannot prove to anybody one way or the other. Personal enlightenment is an individual thing.
As for me personally, I have not read all 26 volumes, but yet I have read quite a few of the discourses in those volumes , and I have yet to be disappointed. To me they "taste good", to me they feel like they are words spoken by inspiration, but those are my feelings, and that is what I go on.

[GradyKeyser]

Martin Luther King Jr. (Michael King) was a fraud and privately describes himself as a "Marxist". He had connections to the communist party and was a immoral degenerate controlled by the secret combinations to create a movement that would be a great tool in setting up a world order. What does this tell you about our politicians and the controlled media.

I agree with you 100% on him being a fraud. I never said he wasn't. The lord was able to use him to do his work. Could he have used a member of the LDS church at that time? I don't think so... The point you are not understanding from me is that the civil rights movement needed to happen for the lord's work to progress. The first black person was baptized and ordain in the priesthood in early 1830. Why did the the church change that policy by 1833? If the church is true we can come to the conclusion it was change for the hardness of the white man's heart. The church could have suffered worse persecution then it did. Until after the civil rights movement calmed down did the change of our policy come.

People call Abraham Lincoln racist, take a couple of his talks and from today standards you can deem racist comments. When people today accuse him of being racist they always leave out that he might have used those comments to battle the other side of the political machine, slandering him calling him an abolitionist. I find it ironic the the party that called him an abolitionist later became the democratic party!!!!

So how bad is Trump???

Bottom line, we had 2 real choices for president. which one was better for the US Constitution?

G. Edward Griffin: Communism and the Civil Rights Movement
Hidden Agenda, Vol. 4 - Anarchy USA: In the Name of Civil Rights USA: A documentary demonstrating how Communists were behind the civil rights movement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CHk_iJ8hWk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


The civil rights movement started long before MLK and has been an old tactic used by front organizations using humanitarian slogans while mascaraing behind the humanitarian civil rights banners to take over the united states. This old scheme fits our present with Trump to exactness with their pretended humanitarian goals while the people are unaware of the treachery these Gadiantons use to neutralize the opposition to cover up the true nature of the revolution. The civil rights movement was a revolutionary agitation in disguise to instill communism.

Divide the People
Create appearance of
Popular Support
Neutralize the opposition
Precipitate mob violence
Create semblance of Revolution

"Riots- demonstrations- street
battles-detachments of a revolutionary
army- such are the stages in the
development of the popular uprising."
V.I.Lenin

"Communism must be built with non-communist hands." V.I. Lenin

"The revolutionary accepts reform in order
to use it as a cover for his illegal work." Joseph Stalin

"We can and must write in the language which
sows among the masses hate, revultsion, and scorn
towards those who disagree with us."
V.I. Lenin

A communist statement from Viet Con;
"Get the people out into the streets, quarrels should be provoked,
youth groups are to be armed with knives and clubs,
allegedly to protest themselves in a manufactured tension."

[Bronco73idi]

Back to you being racist/bigot, because of the ignorance of a group of people another group of people have to do the extreme opposite!!!! Why can't we all get along, be like the Hopi!!!!

A real question, Obama on pardoning terrorist?

[Benjamin_LK]

At this point, my prayers are that hopefully Trump does some things right. People should hope that before spitefullyrics praying for the nation to fail, or for the POTUS to fail.

[eddie]

Tell us, which of these two sources take precedence? The words out of the JOD, or the revealed word of God?
And I conclude that you assume every word out of the mouths of past church leaders were inspired by the power of the Holy Ghost. Anything not taught by this power is not scripture.
I challenge you to prove that all sayings in the JOD were inspired by the Holy Ghost. IMHO, the words of Brigham, above, are directed right at you. Maybe you should start loving Trump and praying for him as a child of God instead of condemning him.[/quote]

All the philosophizing, wresting, reading, arguing, "proving" in the world will not convince anybody beyond a doubt that anything of scripture is true or not. Only that Spirit that beareth record , and even then it seems some will still deny.
As I view it (and to each his own) it is just as easy to believe those controversial doctrines that Brigham taught as to not believe them....
Also men voting to canonize some words of God and voting to not canonize others does not make null and void God's word. I am sure most of you have read, or at least heard of "unpublished revelations" , they are not canonized , but, are they the word of God? And I am sure you will say that they are not binding on the church as that they are not accepted or "official doctrine". But nevertheless, are they the word of God?

Brigham Young was taught at the knees of the Prophet Joseph Smith, and Brigham never turned his heel at the Prophet. Brigham was faithful to the end. Now did he make mistakes? I am sure he did just like any man. But now we ( some of us anyways) call him a racist, we even call Joseph a racist, and an awful polygamous and I suppose if there was a way to write both of those men out of the picture we would do that also. Actually there are some that have written Brigham Young off, and would probably write Joseph off also , if he didnt just happen to be the one that started mormonism. But that is their right to believe what they want..

Brigham Young makes the statement that in regards to the Adam/God doctrine that it is a matter of salvation.
"Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation" BY JofD.
Well that is what I do, or where I am at in regards to these so called controversial doctrines, I "pause" and do not make light of them.



Ok, back to the original idea of "proving" whether the JOD is the word of God or not, or whether when the men preaching those discourses were enlightened by the power of the Spirit when they were speaking or preaching, and if they were enlightened when preaching those discourses, by what
spirit was it? You cannot prove to anybody one way or the other. Personal enlightenment is an individual thing.
As for me personally, I have not read all 26 volumes, but yet I have read quite a few of the discourses in those volumes , and I have yet to be disappointed. To me they "taste good", to me they feel like they are words spoken by inspiration, but those are my feelings, and that is what I go on.[/quote]


Grady is an angry apostate trying to deceive those who will listen.
_________________________________________________________
The reality is that the JOD is not accepted as one of the standard works, to which Grady gives false and inaccurate information. He quotes from George Q. Cannon, but leaves out the truth of the matter. George Q. Cannon was not authorized to declare the JOD part of the standard works.
Personal enlightenment is an individual thing, declaring false doctrine is not. It has been proven to him several times, but he wants his own take on it, obviously thats not how it works. Grady is in no position to be making these calls, he is an angry apostate trying to deceive those who will listen.

[GradyKeyser]

Brigham Young
I do not marvel that the world is clad in mystery, to them He is an unknown God; they cannot tell where He dwells nor how He lives, nor what kind of a being He is in appearance or character. They want to become acquainted with His character and attributes, but they know nothing of them. This is in consequence of the apostacy that is now in the world. They have departed from the knowledge of God, transgressed His laws, changed His ordinances, and broken the everlasting covenant, so that the whole earth is defiled under the inhabitants thereof. Consequently it is no mystery to us that the world knoweth not God Journal of Discourses Vol 04 43:9



Heber C. Kimball
Brother Joseph is gone, and now brother Brigham Young, the Governor of the Territory of Utah, is our Prophet, our leader, our Revelator; and it is for me and you to listen to him with all diligence, the same as we would listen to Joseph were he alive. Brother Brigham is his successor; his word is sacred; and if you do not observe it, it will not be well, and there is where I fear for you, brethren. I do not fear so much for myself as I do for you, because it will go hard with you, if you disobey his advice. There will many of you turn from the faith; you will turn your backs to us, and some will be guilty of shedding innocent blood, if you are not aware. This will be the result of apostacy. When that spirit attacks you, you will be led to do as other apostates have, who have turned from the Church of Christ. Journal of Discourses Vol 02 23:12

President Heber C. Kimball
If you will hearken to the teachings of brother Woodruff, brother Franklin, brother Samuel, and brother Wells, you will also receive my words; and if you will receive my words, you will receive brother Brigham's; and if you will receive his, you will also receive brother Joseph's, and so on until you get back to the root, or to the tree, or to the trunk from whence that Priesthood came. Journal of Discourses Vol 04 52:

[skmo]

The chance of something with actual WORTH, CREDIBILITY, or VALUE coming from this thread is right up there with Trump French kissing Chelsea Clinton at tonight's celebrations. Eventually the time comes for all things bereft of use to fade away.

[freedomforall]

Brigham Young
I do not marvel that the world is clad in mystery, to them He is an unknown God; they cannot tell where He dwells nor how He lives, nor what kind of a being He is in appearance or character. They want to become acquainted with His character and attributes, but they know nothing of them. This is in consequence of the apostacy that is now in the world. They have departed from the knowledge of God, transgressed His laws, changed His ordinances, and broken the everlasting covenant, so that the whole earth is defiled under the inhabitants thereof. Consequently it is no mystery to us that the world knoweth not God Journal of Discourses Vol 04 43:9



Heber C. Kimball
Brother Joseph is gone, and now brother Brigham Young, the Governor of the Territory of Utah, is our Prophet, our leader, our Revelator; and it is for me and you to listen to him with all diligence, the same as we would listen to Joseph were he alive. Brother Brigham is his successor; his word is sacred; and if you do not observe it, it will not be well, and there is where I fear for you, brethren. I do not fear so much for myself as I do for you, because it will go hard with you, if you disobey his advice. There will many of you turn from the faith; you will turn your backs to us, and some will be guilty of shedding innocent blood, if you are not aware. This will be the result of apostacy. When that spirit attacks you, you will be led to do as other apostates have, who have turned from the Church of Christ. Journal of Discourses Vol 02 23:12

President Heber C. Kimball
If you will hearken to the teachings of brother Woodruff, brother Franklin, brother Samuel, and brother Wells, you will also receive my words; and if you will receive my words, you will receive brother Brigham's; and if you will receive his, you will also receive brother Joseph's, and so on until you get back to the root, or to the tree, or to the trunk from whence that Priesthood came. Journal of Discourses Vol 04 52:

This is not scripture. Listen here, Wilford Woodruff is my Great-great grandfather, yet I don't quote every word he has ever said in order to make a point. I use official church doctrine, which are the four standard works.

You avoid proving these words as having been given by the Holy Ghost. Why you don't even say anything original, rather, you regurgitate words of people from a source that is not canonized scripture as though it was something that can be taken to the bank. Using scripture I have already proven Brigham Young incorrect when it comes to loving our enemies, something you refuse to do. See: Prov. 24:17; 25:21 (21–22)

Are you aware that this tactic can be a two way practice?

As an example, what did Joseph Smith mean when he stated:

God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits,
indictments, it is all of the devil--all corruption. Come on! ye
prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains,
roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more
to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been
able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large
majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor
Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The
followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran
away from me yet. You know my daily walk and conversation. I am in the
bosom of a virtuous and good people. How I do love to hear the wolves
howl! When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go. For the last
three years I have a record of all my acts and proceedings, for I have
kept several good, faithful, and efficient clerks in constant employ; they
have accompanied me everywhere, and carefully kept my history, and they
have written down what I have done, where I have been, and what I have
said; therefore my enemies cannot charge me with any day, time, or place,
but what I have written testimony to prove my actions; and my enemies
cannot prove anything against me.
http://www.boap.org/LDS/History/History ... rch/Vol_VI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The saying used today goes:
Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it. See D&C 135:3

Why does the account in Church History, Vol 6, p. 408-409 say differently? Anyone know?

[freedomforall]

Trump Inauguration Speech

This is a "wow" moment! I do not believe an evil man could say such encouraging words...unless he were the anti-Christ, and I highly doubt this is the case. When has Satan ever given homage to God?

[GradyKeyser]

Trump Inauguration Speech

This is a "wow" moment! I do not believe an evil man could say such encouraging words...unless he were the anti-Christ, and I highly doubt this is the case. When has Satan ever given homage to God?

You need to believe that evil men can say such encouraging words, or stand ready to be deceived. Satan constantly pays homage to God with his mouth, that's his biggest trick, its called deceit.

Joseph F. Smith
We have been deceived; we thought that the devil had long horns and tail, a cloven foot, and was black, hideous, and grinning; but when we find him out he is a gentleman in black broad cloth, with a smooth tongue, pleasant countenance, high forehead, and so on; quite a good looking fellow. That is the kind of a person we find the devil to be, and we will find him in more persons than one, and that too right in this city. Journal of Discourses Vol 11 46:24

JOHN TAYLOR
You can read of Cain and the course he pursued, and yet Cain professed and there are a great many who do it now to recognize God his Heavenly Father, while at the same time he was in league with the devil. Cain was called the great Master Mahan. Still he was a religious "cuss." Excuse the expression; but we have a great many such to-day. Journal of Discourses Vol 24 43:6

Alma 30:53
But behold, the devil hath deceived me; for he appeared unto me in the form of an angel, and said unto me: Go and reclaim this people, for they have all gone astray after an unknown God. And he said unto me: There is no God; yea, and he taught me that which I should say. And I have taught his words; and I taught them because they were pleasing unto the carnal mind; and I taught them, even until I had much success, insomuch that I verily believed that they were true; and for this cause I withstood the truth, even until I have brought this great curse upon me

New Testament (KJV) 2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Moses 5:13
: And Satan came among them, saying: I am also a son of God; and he commanded them, saying: Believe it not; and they believed it not, and they loved Satan more than God. And men began from that time forth to be carnal, sensual, and devilish.

Teachings of Joseph Smith Section Four (1839-1842) 96:1
and if such ignorance as this is manifested about a spirit of this kind, who can describe an angel of light? If Satan should appear as one in glory, who can tell his color, his signs, his appearance, his glory, or what is the manner of his manifestation? Who can detect the spirit of the French prophets with their revelations and their visions, and power of manifestations? Or who can point out the spirit of the Irvingites, with their apostles and prophets, and visions and tongues, and interpretations, etc. Or who can drag into daylight and develop the hidden mysteries of the false spirits that so frequently are made manifest among the Latter-day Saints? We answer that no man can do this without the Priesthood, and having a knowledge of the laws by which spirits are governed; for as no man knows the things of God, but by the Spirit of God, so no man knows the spirit of the devil, and his power and influence, but by possessing intelligence which is more than human, and having unfolded through the medium of the Priesthood the mysteries operations of his devices; without knowing the angelic form, the sanctified look and gesture, and the zeal that is frequently manifested by him for the glory of God, together with the prophetic spirit, the gracious influence, the godly appearance, and the holy garb, which are so characteristic of his proceedings and his mysterious windings.

President Brigham Young
It is no matter to the devil what religion men profess or what they worship, how many sacraments they observe, or how many ordinances they pass through, so that they are not legally in the possession of the priesthood of the Son of God, and will not worship the true and living God in the manner he has directed. The devil does not care how much religion there is on the earth; he is a great preacher, and to all appearance a great gentleman, and it is necessary that he should be, and that all his co-workers should be as like their great leader and master as possible. They have forsaken the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. It is popular now-a-days to be religious, it has become the seasoning to a great deal of rascality, hypocrisy and crime. Journal of Discourses Volume 11:39


President Brigham Young
There are but few here that actually know the face of a Saint from that of a devil; and that is one reason why we are exhorting the people all the time to obtain the spirit of revelation, that they may know whether they are right themselves or not, and whether their neighbours are right or not; and that when truth is presented to them they can partake of it and receive it with a keen appetite, as food which their spirits rejoice in; and that when evil is presented they can detect it. But there are so many who profess to be Saints that live beneath their privileges, that it becomes a constant task on me and others to plead with the people to repent, to forsake their heart wanderings, and return to the Lord their God, and seek His face and favour, and never stop until they get the spirit of revelation within them, that they may know for themselves who are gentlemen and ladies, who are angels or devils; and know and understand the truth from error, light from darkness, and be able to detect every deception and every deceptive character. How long shall we labour? We will labour on until we are worn out.
But the labour that has been upon me in observing the grovelling backwardness of many of the Latter-day Saints, to see where they were going, was indeed hard to be endured. It is not long since many of our Bishops and other leading men in this community could not tell a Saint from a devil. Do you not suppose that that danger is before me all the time? But within the last six months, comparatively a hundred tons of care and anxiety have been removed from my shoulders; and I hope that this fire will continue to burn among this people until those poor, miserable curses ÄÄ those poor, miserable gentlemen, shall all leave us. I pray that the fire of God may burn them out. I pray for this continually. Journal of Discourses Vol 04 65:4-5


Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

[GradyKeyser]

In Trumps inaugural speech he gives lots of pomp and fanfare to the evil Clinton's asking all to stand to honor them saying they are great people, he played quite the different side to this a few days ago, Trump declares that we must eradicate radical Islam or Isis from off the face of the earth, when we here in America created Isis so there is reason to go to war.Create the problem make the solution. Trump is hell bent on continuing with the waging of these evil wars this time with even bigger weapons he says. Trump says when America is united its unstoppable! Whats there to be united in?, a sinful and adulterous generation full of abominations.The good and bad united in a fake patriotism serving the god of baal expecting to be protected by God. America deserves no protection for its wicked and abominable ways while it serves two masters. We are not a righteous people that Trump infers nor is this new national pride going to heal our divisions in the pursuit of a nation in solidarity. Anyone that is found associating with the wicked in the the last days will be swept off,we need divided from this wickedness. Don't believe the baby murdering womans libers in their mantra of hatred against the truth to be of a true opposition. This battle is not with the bleeding heart liberals , the battle is with in our own camp with infiltrators of evil men trying to bring unity between the two sides. The civil rights movement is fakery and a false flag to bring the greatest possible deceit over the peoples eyes subjecting the masses to their scheme.

Divide the People
Create the appearance Of
Popular Support
Neutralize the Opposition
Precipitate Mob Violence
Create Semblance of Revolution
Cover up the True nature of the Revolution
"This is Revolutionary agitation in disguise"

[freedomforall]

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Trump is not a false Christ, nor is he someone I can ignore for the next four years. I am not deceived when I go forward with caution, ears and eyes wide open to see what he does and where he leads America.
Being deceived is yelling and screaming, calling everyone you do not like an evil person that doesn't deserve you're slightest attention. Being deceived is spewing hate so rapidly and so often that you miss out on noticing any portion of good that can be found around you.
Did you read the excerpt from church history, vol 6, pg 408-409 about Joseph Smith boasting, right here on this page above? Or did you avoid reading it so you wouldn't get frustrated in your effort to bring forward any and all words from church leaders in the past?

[freedomforall]

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:ymapplause: :ymparty: =)) :))

[freedomforall]

In Trumps inaugural speech he gives lots of pomp and fanfare to the evil Clinton's asking all to stand to honor them saying they are great people, he played quite the different side to this a few days ago, Trump declares that we must eradicate radical Islam or Isis from off the face of the earth, when we here in America created Isis so there is reason to go to war.Create the problem make the solution. Trump is hell bent on continuing with the waging of these evil wars this time with even bigger weapons he says. Trump says when America is united its unstoppable! Whats there to be united in?, a sinful and adulterous generation full of abominations.The good and bad united in a fake patriotism serving the god of baal expecting to be protected by God. America deserves no protection for its wicked and abominable ways while it serves two masters. We are not a righteous people that Trump infers nor is this new national pride going to heal our divisions in the pursuit of a nation in solidarity. Anyone that is found associating with the wicked in the the last days will be swept off,we need divided from this wickedness. Don't believe the baby murdering womans libers in their mantra of hatred against the truth to be of a true opposition. This battle is not with the bleeding heart liberals , the battle is with in our own camp with infiltrators of evil men trying to bring unity between the two sides. The civil rights movement is fakery and a false flag to bring the greatest possible deceit over the peoples eyes subjecting the masses to their scheme.

Divide the People
Create the appearance Of
Popular Support
Neutralize the Opposition
Precipitate Mob Violence
Create Semblance of Revolution
Cover up the True nature of the Revolution
"This is Revolutionary agitation in disguise"

Let's allow you to learn the true perspective of what Trump said, you may not agree but that does not matter at this point. People have the right to hope for a better future, and based on the last eight years, I can see why.
It will only cost you a few minutes to watch and listen; Alex interviews many people live. Alex also talks about how globalism has been trying to overtake America, but Trump is attempting to sway America away from Globalism, and much, much more.

Or is this type of actions, non American hissy fits something you prefer?

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[GradyKeyser]

Alex Jones is a bold face liar and a hack for the Zionist.



Alex Jones Exposed by Milton William Cooper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7jJMYJbAKc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Merriner]

Tell us, which of these two sources take precedence? The words out of the JOD, or the revealed word of God?
And I conclude that you assume every word out of the mouths of past church leaders were inspired by the power of the Holy Ghost. Anything not taught by this power is not scripture.
I challenge you to prove that all sayings in the JOD were inspired by the Holy Ghost. IMHO, the words of Brigham, above, are directed right at you. Maybe you should start loving Trump and praying for him as a child of God instead of condemning him.

All the philosophizing, wresting, reading, arguing, "proving" in the world will not convince anybody beyond a doubt that anything of scripture is true or not. Only that Spirit that beareth record , and even then it seems some will still deny.
As I view it (and to each his own) it is just as easy to believe those controversial doctrines that Brigham taught as to not believe them....
Also men voting to canonize some words of God and voting to not canonize others does not make null and void God's word. I am sure most of you have read, or at least heard of "unpublished revelations" , they are not canonized , but, are they the word of God? And I am sure you will say that they are not binding on the church as that they are not accepted or "official doctrine". But nevertheless, are they the word of God?

Brigham Young was taught at the knees of the Prophet Joseph Smith, and Brigham never turned his heel at the Prophet. Brigham was faithful to the end. Now did he make mistakes? I am sure he did just like any man. But now we ( some of us anyways) call him a racist, we even call Joseph a racist, and an awful polygamous and I suppose if there was a way to write both of those men out of the picture we would do that also. Actually there are some that have written Brigham Young off, and would probably write Joseph off also , if he didnt just happen to be the one that started mormonism. But that is their right to believe what they want..

Brigham Young makes the statement that in regards to the Adam/God doctrine that it is a matter of salvation.
"Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation" BY JofD.
Well that is what I do, or where I am at in regards to these so called controversial doctrines, I "pause" and do not make light of them.



Ok, back to the original idea of "proving" whether the JOD is the word of God or not, or whether when the men preaching those discourses were enlightened by the power of the Spirit when they were speaking or preaching, and if they were enlightened when preaching those discourses, by what
spirit was it? You cannot prove to anybody one way or the other. Personal enlightenment is an individual thing.
As for me personally, I have not read all 26 volumes, but yet I have read quite a few of the discourses in those volumes , and I have yet to be disappointed. To me they "taste good", to me they feel like they are words spoken by inspiration, but those are my feelings, and that is what I go on.[/quote]


Grady is an angry apostate trying to deceive those who will listen.
_________________________________________________________
The reality is that the JOD is not accepted as one of the standard works, to which Grady gives false and inaccurate information. He quotes from George Q. Cannon, but leaves out the truth of the matter. George Q. Cannon was not authorized to declare the JOD part of the standard works.
Personal enlightenment is an individual thing, declaring false doctrine is not. It has been proven to him several times, but he wants his own take on it, obviously thats not how it works. Grady is in no position to be making these calls, he is an angry apostate trying to deceive those who will listen.[/quote]


I wouldn't knock the scriptures, but I wouldn't knock J of D either. It's like knocking what the prophet say in the ensign or General Conference even. It's all revealed word of God. And FYI no, Adam is not God the Father, and that theory comes from a bunch of bafoons who read Brigham young and lack understanding and take it out of context. When I read the discourse, it doesn't read like he is saying that Adam is the Father. He is the Father of the human race and Adam is a glorified resurrected being. You would have to be transfigured to be in Adams presence because of his Glory.

Knocking the Lords anointed is the fast road to apostasy.

I for one don't like people who rip on Brigham Young. No angels ever watch the prophet Joseph more closely than he did. He is the Moses of our latter-day church. Joseph Smith is like the Enoch. Joseph had every spiritual gift. And that mantle rested on Brigham when the time came. I for one will never malign the prophets or apostles of the Lords church. It's not for us to judge, at least when we know we lack understanding. When all things are revealed we will wish we were much more cautious. I wouldn't want to meet one of those men beyond the veil after this life if I had maligned their words and teachings. Wait til you understand.

[freedomforall]

Alex Jones is a bold face liar and a hack for the Zionist.



Alex Jones Exposed by Milton William Cooper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7jJMYJbAKc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So did you view the video or not?
Also, you don't seem to have anything good to say about anyone. Your world must be pretty dull and gloomy.
Do you even care that Trump said "God bless America" instead of "we are no longer a Christian nation?" Or that "the Sermon on the Mount is radical?"

Who died and made Milton William Cooper so important?
Do you ^:)^ him? Is he an O:-) Is he a straight shootin' :ymcowboy: Or is he a :ymdevil: in disguise? He may be someone you want to avoid, possibly being the "arm of flesh", huh? :-ss

Did you read the words of Joseph Smith yet? What's taking so long, huh?

[freedomforall]

Adam is not God the Father

I for one don't like people who rip on Brigham Young.

What's wrong with this picture?

We've had plenty of forum members that would argue with you until blue in the face about how Adam is God. I pointed out in many different ways that that doctrine was false, hokey and denounced, but they persisted in teaching that very doctrine along with some other very disturbing nonsense about pre-Adamites and stuff not even close to scriptural fact.

BY is not the only one to have believed that Adam was God. But I'll let you do the research because that doctrine is worthless.

[GradyKeyser]

Adam is not God the Father

I for one don't like people who rip on Brigham Young.

What's wrong with this picture?

We've had plenty of forum members that would argue with you until blue in the face about how Adam is God. I pointed out in many different ways that that doctrine was false, hokey and denounced, but they persisted in teaching that very doctrine along with some other very disturbing nonsense about pre-Adamites and stuff not even close to scriptural fact.

BY is not the only one to have believed that Adam was God. But I'll let you do the research because that doctrine is worthless.

Adam is our Father and our God.



Joseph Smith
"God himself was once as we are now and is an exalted man that sits enthroned in the yonder heavens! That is the great secret."
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pg 345 God an Exalted Man