How Cults Work

[Sirocco]

Yeah English does that a LOT its far more our language is weird then any other force.

[Joel]

[Joel]

[KMCopeland]

Speaking of cults.

Sour grapes.

[Sirocco]

I remember I told missionaries I don't trust my feelings, I forget the context (it wasn't about the church or truth or anything).

But I do remember how different they approached me, I think they could see how different I was, obviously not the extent I truly was, I didn't let on how much I knew. I find people and psychology quite interesting, just watching others is fascinating to me.
Very interesting indeed.

I could never see a scenario where I actually feel guilty for watching pornography or drinking tea...

[Jim Kelley]

May I quote KMCopeland, "I think we give Satan far too much credit for things he probably didn't have a hand in. Seems to me he's probably got bigger fish to fry than to spend a lot of time changing the meanings of words."

This is one of the biggest mistakes a Christian can make is to think Satan is to busy with bigger fish than to do something seemingly insignificant like changing the meaning of some words. Obviously changing the meaning of words can have a big impact on Satan's power in perverting the true meaning of scripture which is expressed in words.

1/3 of the Heavenly Host went with Satan and are working 24/7 for him because they don't sleep and they know the end is near for them to be able to do anything else in their evil deeds. 1/3 would be in the billions with a "B."

I agree with the concept Satan wants the bigger fish and that is exactly why every Mormon should be on guard to expect a direct attact on The Church leadership. What bigger fish could there be than The True Church and the priesthood leadership?

To many Mormons are asleep (Ether 8:24) and this is exactly why Satan has so much power in this world.

Brother Jim

[Fiannan]

Speaking of cults.

Sour grapes.

No, you miss the point of Aesop's fable. It would be proper to say "sour grapes" if people who oppose Obama would say they wanted him to win anyway, maybe just to make a point. I was pointing out that Obama devotes have a cult-like mentality, not limited to projecting their inner-most hoped-for desires onto a mere mortal controlled by Wall Street financiers and the military-industrial complex.

[KMCopeland]

May I quote KMCopeland, "I think we give Satan far too much credit for things he probably didn't have a hand in. Seems to me he's probably got bigger fish to fry than to spend a lot of time changing the meanings of words."

This is one of the biggest mistakes a Christian can make is to think Satan is to busy with bigger fish than to do something seemingly insignificant like changing the meaning of some words. Obviously changing the meaning of words can have a big impact on Satan's power in perverting the true meaning of scripture which is expressed in words.

There are things that mortals do that play into Satan's hands. Things that he may be happy about, but that he really didn't spend much time or effort on. I feel sure the evolution of meanings of words, if indeed it contributes to the overall sinfulness of man which is far from certain, would be one of them. But whether he has a hand in that or not doesn't matter. What matters is it's not something we can do anything about. And there's the more important point, that there's real danger, when you worry about things we have no control over, of missing the things that we do. The big things. Things that we actually can do something about. Changes in language over time? Boy I wouldn't waste my time on that. Save your strength for the battles you actually have a chance of winning.

1/3 of the Heavenly Host went with Satan and are working 24/7 for him because they don't sleep and they know the end is near for them to be able to do anything else in their evil deeds. 1/3 would be in the billions with a "B."

So why would they spend a minute on things that happen without their help?

I agree with the concept Satan wants the bigger fish and that is exactly why every Mormon should be on guard to expect a direct attact on The Church leadership.

How would we deal with that, if and when it comes? And if they are all they & we claim, why in the world would they have a thing to worry about?

What bigger fish could there be than The True Church and the priesthood leadership?

Individual ability to tell right from wrong, in large numbers of individuals. It's a much bigger prize.

[KMCopeland]

Speaking of cults.

Sour grapes.

No, you miss the point of Aesop's fable. It would be proper to say "sour grapes" if people who oppose Obama would say they wanted him to win anyway, maybe just to make a point. I was pointing out that Obama devotes have a cult-like mentality, not limited to projecting their inner-most hoped-for desires onto a mere mortal controlled by Wall Street financiers and the military-industrial complex.

The fox in the fable really, really wanted the grapes, and when he couldn't get them he walked away, saying to himself: "They were probably sour anyway." I'm quite sure that if you saw a snapshot of someone cheering for Putin for instance, you'd be quite sure he deserved it. But since it's for someone you don't like, it must be cult-like. I'm sorry. I think it's a very apt comparison.

[Fiannan]

I'm quite sure that if you saw a snapshot of someone cheering for Putin for instance, you'd be quite sure he deserved it. But since it's for someone you don't like, it must be cult-like. I'm sorry. I think it's a very apt comparison.

Never seen anything in the Russian press like this worship:

[KMCopeland]

I'm quite sure that if you saw a snapshot of someone cheering for Putin for instance, you'd be quite sure he deserved it. But since it's for someone you don't like, it must be cult-like. I'm sorry. I think it's a very apt comparison.

Never seen anything in the Russian press like this worship:

You must not be looking very hard. Wonder why that is. (I don't really.)













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[Fiannan]

I have been to Russia many times, have you KMC? They no more worship Putin than my parents worshiped John F. Kennedy by having a portrait of him in the living room.

You don't get it, do you? Sure people like JFK and Putin, and to a degree Ronald Reagan, have a cult of personality going on but the intensity of that displayed by many, not most but a disturbingly large percentage, of Obama supporters goes beyond the traditional admiration of a leader and does display a religious devotion. Obama is a war monger but his followers believe he is another Ghandi, he negotiates secret trade deals and his followers excuse it the way a cult member excuses abuse by a leader, and he pretends to care but I see no reason to believe he does.

[KMCopeland]

I have been to Russia many times, have you KMC?

You'd be surprised.

They no more worship Putin than my parents worshiped John F. Kennedy by having a portrait of him in the living room.

And your goofball suggestion that all of Obama's supporters are mere cultists is just as far-fetched.

You don't get it, do you? Sure people like JFK and Putin, and to a degree Ronald Reagan, have a cult of personality going on but the intensity of that displayed by many, not most but a disturbingly large percentage, of Obama supporters goes beyond the traditional admiration of a leader and does display a religious devotion.

Horsesh!t.

Obama is a war monger

He's nothing of the sort. If he were a war monger he would have enthusiastically supported Dubya's war on Iraq, which he adamantly opposed. He just has no problem dealing with bad behavior -- most of which being a direct result of that debauched, grotesque, utterly senseless debacle -- decisively. He doesn't like it. But he knows it's his job, so he does it. Well.

And it's a bit precious for someone who worships Putin like you do to object to war-mongering in anyone, much less in someone so reluctant to wage war. I'm amazed you don't have whiplash.

but his followers believe he is another Ghandi

Some of his followers think that. A negligible few -- like Kennedy's, and Reagan's and Putin's and any number of people's have always been, and always will be. Get it right or don't say it.

he negotiates secret trade deals and his followers excuse it the way a cult member excuses abuse by a leader

He is negotiating one trade deal in a sub rosa way that many of his followers are most upset with, including me. Watch the blanket statements and broad generalities. It minimizes your credibility.

and he pretends to care but I see no reason to believe he does.

And you see no reason to believe that Bruce Jenner was miserable as a man. The fact that you don't see such things isn't evidence that they aren't there.

[Bee Prepared]

May I quote KMCopeland, "I think we give Satan far too much credit for things he probably didn't have a hand in. Seems to me he's probably got bigger fish to fry than to spend a lot of time changing the meanings of words."

This is one of the biggest mistakes a Christian can make is to think Satan is to busy with bigger fish than to do something seemingly insignificant like changing the meaning of some words. Obviously changing the meaning of words can have a big impact on Satan's power in perverting the true meaning of scripture which is expressed in words.

1/3 of the Heavenly Host went with Satan and are working 24/7 for him because they don't sleep and they know the end is near for them to be able to do anything else in their evil deeds. 1/3 would be in the billions with a "B."

I agree with the concept Satan wants the bigger fish and that is exactly why every Mormon should be on guard to expect a direct attact on The Church leadership. What bigger fish could there be than The True Church and the priesthood leadership?

To many Mormons are asleep (Ether 8:24) and this is exactly why Satan has so much power in this world.

Brother Jim

" Too many Mormons are asleep"? Oh the irony in that statement. Wide awake is following the prophet, not the precepts of man, paying our tithing, recognizing the ravenous wolves in sheep clothing deceiving those driving wildly along the wrong road, relying on their own intellect rather than the spirit, till the spirit no longer influences them. Asleep, I think not.

[Fiannan]

Wow KMC, really stirred up the 'ol sub conscious, didn't I? Sorry to have ruffled your feathers. Yeah, one trade deal...a trade deal that pretty much prison rapes the masses, gives corporations power that look like those in the original Rollerball or Robocop, threatens the environment, freedom of expression and privacy. Yes, there are a few awake Democrats like Robert Reich...doesn't that tell you something KMC? Obama is a fraud!

As for war let us not forget Libya, arming head-choppers in Syria who are trying to overthrow Assad, arming an oppressive regime in Saudi Arabia that is waging war on Yemen and destabilizing Ukraine.

[Tony]

Miss Pink Death --

If you REPLACE God with something or someone else, that can lead to cultism. Putting your trust in God, and Him alone, and worshipping Him and no other, is not a cult.

I agree. You look ahead and you see the prophet. You look a little further and you see Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is leading His prophet on the earth. If you choose to do something other than follow the prophet, you cannot follow Christ and could end up following an apostate who tells you that you are being led by Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ no longer has a prophet to lead his Church. People who are not following the prophet cannot see that he is being led by Jesus Christ.

[Joel]

Jehovah's Witness parents shunning children

[Joel]

Jesus Camp follows several young children as they prepare to attend a camp called ‘Kids on Fire’, a Christian summer camp run by Becky Fischer. Through interviews with Fisher, the children, and others, Jesus Camp illustrates the unswerving belief of the faithful — a housewife and home-schooling mother tells her son that creationism has all the answers, footage from inside the camp shows young children weeping and wailing as they promise to stop their sinning, child after child is driven to tears. These scenes are contrasted with clips from another Christian radio host who is appalled by such tactics. Are these children being brainwashed?

Watch Jesus Camp here

[Betadynamique]

Most often, the accusation about LDS being a cult comes from other Christians who have lost the Spirit per their own idolatry, so they stagnate in their churches, and their membership dwindles or their Nicolaitans become ever more scandalous, and they need to cast aspersions against others to justify themselves. It's very hypocritical, especially when real cults seek after death or destruction, whether they're killing themselves with poisoned kool-aid, or going out in a blaze of glory, or whatever the miserable circumstances the Fearless Leader has conjured up for them. Even the most dangerous cults in the world are political systems, not necessarily religious, but those having an occult philosophy behind a secular agenda, or what the LDS calls "secret combinations".

It's very ironic because one could argue that Joseph Smith started a new religion to help people get away from cults, but the accusation can only be made so many times before it's trite. It's a similar situation with Jehovah's Witnesses, because they are Christians and they're not a cult, but their theology is radically different from European polytheism. If you look at Christianity, and you believe in the Spirit, that is, the spirit of holiness, the Holy Ghost, you'll see there are "heretics" which are actually taking on the responsibility for their faith. So you have the LDS, the JW's and the Messianic Judaism, as well as countless "non-denominational" ones, and this is to be expected as Israel reappears as a real nation-state on the face of the earth in preparation for the return of Messiah. It's difficult to read the Bible and pretend like that Israel mentioned in there is some imaginary ideal when the Prime Minister of Israel shows up in DC to give a speech to the US Congress, you see?

What should you do when the restoration theology proves true and the replacement theology proves false, yet your Church still teaches that Jesus Christ has abolished the old covenant with Israel and given the new covenant to the gentiles? Well, you hammer down on dogma, you accuse others of being cults, and you watch as your membership walks out because they're not really Israelites and that Scientology or whatever has something better to offer them.

[Joel]

[Joel]

The Church of Scientology forced Leah Remini to go through "thought modifications" for questioning the leaders of the church.

Couple of videos http://www.today.com/popculture/leah-re ... ing-t32356

[Sirocco]

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[Joel]

Definitely cult behavior! :))

[Joel]

[Stourme]

This thread should be locked because the link leads Cultwatch which list Mormon's as a cult on it's home page.