Guess who the frontrunner is for the GOP for 2016?

[lundbaek]

You Romney cheerleaders who supported him contributed to his deception of especially those many American LDS voters who instead should have been shown that they otta be supporting candidates who understand, uphold and abide by the principles of the US Constitution as it was meant to be understood by Him who established it. The Lord, thru His prophets and apostles, has told us how to select candidates He would approve of. I believe that if we follow the Lord's direction as best we can, the results will be better than if we follow our own smarts.

[GeeR]

You Romney cheerleaders who supported him contributed to his deception of especially those many American LDS voters who instead should have been shown that they otta be supporting candidates who understand, uphold and abide by the principles of the US Constitution as it was meant to be understood by Him who established it. The Lord, thru His prophets and apostles, has told us how to select candidates He would approve of. I believe that if we follow the Lord's direction as best we can, the results will be better than if we follow our own smarts.

“And again, we saw the terrestrial world, and behold and lo, these are they who are of the terrestrial…these are they who are honorable men of the earth, who were blinded by the craftiness of men.” (D&C 76: 71,75)

[jbalm]

If Rmoney runs again, we may as well get used to saying "President Hillary Clinton."

[GeeR]

If Rmoney runs again, we may as well get used to saying "President Hillary Clinton."

I know you won't believe this but I'll say it anyway--it won't make a bit of difference.

[mes5464]

Every priesthood holder, including Romney, Reid, Hatch, Flake, Lee, Crapo, Udall, Bishop, Chaffetz, and other Latter-day Saints in Congress are under a doctrinal imperative to learn and abide by the principles of the US Constitution "in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" or "as the Founders intended it to be understood". Romney, Reid, Hatch, & Flake definitely have a history of disdain for the Constitution. The others I do not know much about. When prophets and apostles admonished us to eschew socialism, look down with scorn upon any person who would undermine the Constitution, look for and support candidates for elected office who would abide by the Constitution, etc., they made no exception for priesthood holders.

Mark Udall of CO is Mormon?!

[jbalm]

If Rmoney runs again, we may as well get used to saying "President Hillary Clinton."

I know you won't believe this but I'll say it anyway--it won't make a bit of difference.

I don't understand.

[Rick Grimes]

If Rmoney runs again, we may as well get used to saying "President Hillary Clinton."

I know you won't believe this but I'll say it anyway--it won't make a bit of difference.

I don't understand.

Neither do I.

I'm no Romney cheerleader, by any stretch.(I preferred Santorum) However, I find it very hard to find any truth in stating that Romney would be the same as the female version of Chairman Mao. That's a bit of a stretch.

[djinwa]

Of course, vote in such a way that the dumbocrats win again, surely the very best way to waste your vote. I see you standing tall beating your chest declaring "I never voted for Obama!" and I say "yes, you did!"

Bob

You really think Romney and Obama were different? How? List the programs that Romney intended to cut. List the wars he intended to end. List how he intended to restore our right to privacy.

There may be a difference of degree, but not of principle.

Just like Bush doubled the dept of education, expanded government healthcare, promoted government housing programs - all supposedly what democrats are for. Then Obama, MR. Nobel Peace prize, decided he wanted to be like a republican, and has continued the wars, and spying programs.

So there really isn't any difference, but most humans are tribalists, and join and remain loyal to some tribe or party, regardless of what it stands for. Basic animal behavior. Which is why 90% of votes from Mormons in some states were for Romney, despite no particular adherence on his part to what the church once taught regarding the Consititution and limited government. I recall in one debate, on a constitution question, Romney turned to Ron Paul and said, "Perhaps we ought to ask the Constitutionalist".

Of course, to the big money, big government party loyalists who feel threatened, Ron Paul is considered "evil", and about every other name they can think of. On another forum, I recall so-called conservatives wishing he was dead, and I expect some loving 'Christians' here feel the same.

Rand shares his fathers views, but is trying to not be such a threat to the big government republicans/democrats like Bob.

He knows that to get support you have to swear allegiance to the party. Which reminds me of our county convention in which the first move by Romney supporters was to pass a rule forcing potential state delegates to declare their support for the eventual nominee, regardless of his principles.

Fascinating that so many LDS that were there promoted the idea that principles don't matter. Doesn't seem like what I learned in Sunday School.

[bobhenstra]

I don't think Ron paul should be dead, just out of politics, and the last election proved that I'm right! I speak up, speak often and don't worry about those that cannot understand the power of the priesthood. They will always vote for those who cannot win! But, blame I can access, and I do so!

[Valiance]

I don't think Ron paul should be dead, just out of politics, and the last election proved that I'm right! I speak up, speak often and don't worry about those that cannot understand the power of the priesthood. They will always vote for those who cannot win! But, blame I can access, and I do so!

Bob, at least you won't be able to say we didn't try to warn you once we're on the other side and you're having a lot of 'Doh!' moments.

[bobhenstra]

Aaron, one of us is going to have "duh" moments, but it won't be me! Look at what our Lord did with Hezekiah who held the priesthood! Our Hezekiah will get here, it may not be Mitt, but whoever it is, he'll hold the priesthood!

Bob

[samizdat]

Harry Reid is a priesthood holder too Bob. Had it been him running for President versus say Mike Huckabee, would you vote for him?

[bobhenstra]

I don't concern myself with "IF's" Why do you?

[Fiannan]

Harry Reid is a priesthood holder too Bob. Had it been him running for President versus say Mike Huckabee, would you vote for him?

Reid and Huckabee both are the best arguments for forced eugenics ever!

[Valiance]

Aaron, one of us is going to have "duh" moments, but it won't be me! Look at what our Lord did with Hezekiah who held the priesthood! Our Hezekiah will get here, it may not be Mitt, but whoever it is, he'll hold the priesthood!

Bob

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding... we have a winner. :ymapplause: Baby steps Bob... baby steps... this is good.

[embryopocket]

Cain also had the priesthood.

[Rick Grimes]

So did Judas.

[lundbaek]

Cain and Judas knew the evil they were committing. I'd not put Mitt Romney in that class; not by any means. But I will say that Mitt Romney appears to be ignorant of the principles of the US Constitution (even by his own admission back during the 2012 debates) and ignorant of his responsibility to understand, uphold, and abide by it. That is where he went wrong. I note that many Mormons (who I suspect are generally ignorant of the principles of the Constitution) don't seem to care a tinker's damn about the Constitution and their responsibility to honour it.

[freedomforall]

You Romney cheerleaders who supported him contributed to his deception of especially those many American LDS voters who instead should have been shown that they otta be supporting candidates who understand, uphold and abide by the principles of the US Constitution as it was meant to be understood by Him who established it. The Lord, thru His prophets and apostles, has told us how to select candidates He would approve of. I believe that if we follow the Lord's direction as best we can, the results will be better than if we follow our own smarts.

And one of the biggest reasons Ron Paul didn't win is because the media made it appear that RP dropped out of the running. Secondly, Obama's lies and deception were soaked up by a bunch of unlearned and apathetic people, only looking at what they wanted and not caring about the welfare of the whole country, nor that which the Founders wanted for us.
Anyone casting a vote for any person who doesn't adhere to Constitutional values and not upholding it...are by definition wasting their vote. God says to vote for a wise, honest and good candidate. I will do that even if my vote stands alone. Yet it will be written in the books recorded in heaven, therefore, it will never be wasted. It is irresponsible thinking to say that by voting for one person is the same thing as voting for another. This line of thought carries no truth whatsoever. It is merely accusatory in nature, period.

[Onsdag]

[*]Whereas, Mitt Romney replied "I don't believe God has spoken to man since Moses" (clearly in contradiction to our faith and teachings of latter-day prophets and continuing revelation) when questioned on national television if he would follow what God has spoken to our prophet, or if he would make his own choices as president, and,

[*]Whereas, Mitt Romney has shown an utter lack of knowledge of and/or contempt for our Constitution, the ruling law of the land and which, if selected to be president, he would be sworn to uphold and defend, and,

[*]Whereas, Mitt Romney has shown signs of being bought out by and/or having a cozy relationship with tptb, and,

[*]Whereas, Mitt Romney has expressed desires to get us involved in more un-Constitutional foreign wars and entangling alliances, and,

[*]Whereas, Mitt Romney has demonstrated that he is all for using torture techniques, no matter how inhumane, for interrogating prisoners of war, and that we should in fact greatly increase the number of prison facilities for doing these things, and,

[*]Whereas, Mitt Romney seems to care more about "consulting with [his] attorneys" on making important decisions between right and wrong rather than consulting with the Constitution (never mind the Holy Ghost, Scriptures, or his own conscience), and,

[*]Whereas, Mitt Romney may have been directly or indirectly involved in, or at the very least aware of, voting fraud/anomalies in his favor in many different states, and,

[*]Whereas, Mitt Romney has shown an utter contempt for following rules, and instead broke many rules and used great pressure to change the rules to be in his favor during the Republican National Convention at the expense of a legitimate Republican nominee - Ron Paul, and,

[*]Whereas, Mitt Romney routinely mocked, belittled, and poked fun of Ron Paul and his message of limited government and following the Constitution, and,

[*]Whereas, Mitt Romney has clearly demonstrated that he is OK with putting aside moral integrity, faith, virtue, and character in his apparent pursuit of power (or at best a naive attempt to accomplish something he felt was good, unfortunately by using unrighteous and/or questionable methods), and,

[*]Whereas, Mitt Romney IS a "temple worthy," "priesthood holder," "member of the church," "former stake president," etc., AND SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO DO ANY OF THE ABOVE,

[*]Therefore, I could not, nor will I ever, in good conscience, vote for him as President of the United States - until and unless he demonstrably shows a complete change in character and repentance of the above issues.

As several latter-day prophets and apostles of God have warned - “the ravening wolves are amongst us from our own membership and they, more than any others, are clothed in sheep’s clothing, because they wear the habiliments of the Priesthood. … We should be careful of them.” I do not fear the wolves that are easily perceived as wolves - what I do fear though are the wolves that are so cleverly disguised and dressed as sheep. They, more than any others, we should be most wary of.
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The problem, as I see it, with Mitt Romney is that sometimes he looks and acts like the sheep, and other times he looks and acts like the wolves. This tells me that either he's a wolf in sheep's clothing, in which case he's very dangerous indeed, or, he's a sheep in wolf's clothing, in which case he's compromising his standards (and the other sheep) to get along with the wolves - another very dangerous situation.

[lundbaek]

My major concerns about Mitt Romney are these:

Mitt Romney replied "I don't believe God has spoken to man since Moses" (clearly in contradiction to our faith and teachings of latter-day prophets and continuing revelation) when questioned on national television if he would follow what God has spoken to our prophet, or if he would make his own choices as president,

Mitt Romney has shown an utter lack of knowledge of and/or contempt for our Constitution, the ruling law of the land and which, if selected to be president, he would be sworn to uphold and defend,

Mitt Romney has expressed desires to get us involved in more un-Constitutional foreign wars and entangling alliances,

Mitt Romney indicated he would "consult with [his] attorneys" on making decisions about going to war rather than consulting with the Constitution and asking for a declaration of war from the Congress,

Mitt Romney has been in past supportive of abortion, and appears to have reversed that stance after taking heat,

Mitt Romney is a "temple worthy," "priesthood holder," "member of the church," "former stake president," etc., AND SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO DO ANY OF THE ABOVE,

Neither could I vote for him as President of the United States - until and unless he demonstrably shows a complete change in character and repentance of the above issues. But what about all the LDS voters who either didn't know or didn't care about the above failings of Mitt Romney ? Many do not believe any of these failings are serious enuf to discount him as a good candidate for POTUS. This is a pretty sorry state within the Church membership considering that we are under a doctrinal imperative to learn and abide by the principles of the US Constitution "in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" or "as the Founders intended it to be understood". And I re-repeat: When prophets and apostles admonished us to eschew socialism, look down with scorn upon any person who would undermine the Constitution, look for and support candidates for elected office who would abide by the Constitution, etc., they made no exception for priesthood holders. And neither do I.

[Mormon]

Every priesthood holder, including Romney, Reid, Hatch, Flake, Lee, Crapo, Udall, Bishop, Chaffetz, and other Latter-day Saints in Congress are under a doctrinal imperative to learn and abide by the principles of the US Constitution "in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" or "as the Founders intended it to be understood". Romney, Reid, Hatch, & Flake definitely have a history of disdain for the Constitution. The others I do not know much about. When prophets and apostles admonished us to eschew socialism, look down with scorn upon any person who would undermine the Constitution, look for and support candidates for elected office who would abide by the Constitution, etc., they made no exception for priesthood holders.

Mark Udall of CO is Mormon?!

He was raised Presbyterian http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2 ... ll-romney/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[lundbaek]

I guess I am expecting too much for LDS people to know about their sacred duty to honour the Constitution and to honour freedom, to "learn the principles of the US Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers", "to try to support candidates....who are truly dedicated to the Constitution in the tradition of our fathers." and "look down with scorn upon any man or woman who would undermine that Constitution".

That was my mistake to assume Udall is LDS. I checked with 2 Colorado residents and they confirmed my error.

[Mormon]

I guess I am expecting too much for LDS people to know about their sacred duty to honour the Constitution and to honour freedom, to "learn the principles of the US Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers", "to try to support candidates....who are truly dedicated to the Constitution in the tradition of our fathers." and "look down with scorn upon any man or woman who would undermine that Constitution".

That was my mistake to assume Udall is LDS. I checked with 2 Colorado residents and they confirmed my error.

Its okay some of his political pedigree was Mormon

[Rick Grimes]

Cain and Judas knew the evil they were committing. I'd not put Mitt Romney in that class; not by any means. But I will say that Mitt Romney appears to be ignorant of the principles of the US Constitution (even by his own admission back during the 2012 debates) and ignorant of his responsibility to understand, uphold, and abide by it. That is where he went wrong. I note that many Mormons (who I suspect are generally ignorant of the principles of the Constitution) don't seem to care a tinker's damn about the Constitution and their responsibility to honour it.

I definitely honor it, as it is the instrument that defines our government as well as prescribing the powers of each branch of government. However, I do not "honor" it the same way I do the scriptures or revelation. The constitution is a secular document that can be changed by common consent, or by judicial fiat.(as it is these days, anyways) While it is true that it was a Heaven inspired document, it is not to the same stature as our sacred texts of scripture.


Furthermore, it is my belief that when Christ returns and He personally reigns with us in a form of theocratic- monarchy, the constitution will not be our method of government anymore. In contrast, the truths in our scriptures will remain true and pertinent for instruction even after Christ returns.

That being said, I won't support a candidate that is outright hostile to the constitution, and seeking to change it in order to appease the godless masses.

However, although I thought Romney sold out his religion numerous times with his support of abortion and his numerous statements that he made that would claim that Joseph Smith has not seen God, one should be cautious to dismiss voting for him.

Obama is much more dangerous to us than Romney ever would have been. I don't think that Romney wants to fundamentally change our society for the worst like Obama does. I just think Romney is a politician and would say anything, including denying his religion, to get elected.

Although definitely not my first choice, I would crawl through a field of broken glass to vote for Romney, if it meant the difference of electing Obama or Hillary.