Paul Ryan Cracks Joke As 71 Year-Old Citizen Is Forced To Th

[shadowcaptain of 1,000]

if that guy paid $15.00 dollars to be in attendance in that meeting, he payed for his right to speak up, didn't he?

No. Think this through a bit- If he paid money to be in attendance then that means it wasn't a public meeting. For example- Just because you pay to go see a movie doesn't mean you can yell out and be disruptive. Other people paid to watch the movie too, not listen to you yell and be disruptive. Or what if you paid to take a class at a college- does that mean you have a right to disrupt the teacher? (the answer is no in case you were wondering) But even in a public meeting, you can't just do what you want.

And besides, the 71 yr old was wrong with his accusation. Ryan isn't going to cut benefits. The guy was probably a plant which may explain why moveon.org had the edited video.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

But Ron Paul merits it?

And here you are again, Bob. The only one injecting Ron Paul into the debate to try and deflect legitimate criticism of your "hezekiah". How embarrassing.

I'm not embarrassed by bringing up Ron Paul, just as you democrats are not embarrassed by talking about Mitt Romney! You like hiding behind Ron Paul, and I'm right out in the open about Mitt Romney!

Oh, and "Hezekiah" is capitalized---- how embarrassing

Bob

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

But Ron Paul merits it?

And here you are again, Bob. The only one injecting Ron Paul into the debate to try and deflect legitimate criticism of your "hezekiah". How embarrassing.

I'm not embarrassed by bringing up Ron Paul, just as you democrats are not embarrassed by talking about Mitt Romney! You like hiding behind Ron Paul, and I'm right out in the open about Mitt Romney!

Oh, and "Hezekiah" is capitalized---- how embarrassing

Bob

Hey Bob, I haven't seen you reply to this thread yet - why not?

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[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Hey Bob, I haven't seen you reply to this thread yet - why not?

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Lack of importance of the subject , Ron Paul lost, Mitt Romney won! It's better I spend my time getting prepared for the cleansing!

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

Hey Bob, I haven't seen you reply to this thread yet - why not?

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Lack of importance of the subject , Ron Paul lost, Mitt Romney won! It's better I spend my time getting prepared for the cleansing!

Lack of importance? Really? So it mattereth not to you that Romney and Obama are practically carbon copies of each other when it comes to major policy issues when you're so gung ho about Romney and full of disdain for Obama? Also, newsflash... the cleansing is coming regardless of who is in the White House Bobby!

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Lack of importance? Really? So it mattereth not to you that Romney and Obama are practically carbon copies of each other when it comes to major policy issues when you're so gung ho about Romney and full of disdain for Obama? Also, newsflash... the cleansing is coming regardless of who is in the White House Bobby!

Yup, for once your right--once!

[freedomfightercaptain of 1,000]

if that guy paid $15.00 dollars to be in attendance in that meeting, he payed for his right to speak up, didn't he?

No. Think this through a bit- If he paid money to be in attendance then that means it wasn't a public meeting. For example- Just because you pay to go see a movie doesn't mean you can yell out and be disruptive. Other people paid to watch the movie too, not listen to you yell and be disruptive. Or what if you paid to take a class at a college- does that mean you have a right to disrupt the teacher? (the answer is no in case you were wondering) But even in a public meeting, you can't just do what you want.

And besides, the 71 yr old was wrong with his accusation. Ryan isn't going to cut benefits. The guy was probably a plant which may explain why moveon.org had the edited video.

Perhaps you're correct. But I fully believe that a lot of propaganda in many meetings like this now are an attempt to brainwash people into excepting communistic view points, even in small degrees. President Benson warned us about this. He said that communism will be taught little by little until we are enslaved by it. And we'll be gullible enough to not even realize it, as was told to Benson by Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev. Therefore, we better be on our toes at all times. We better know what is right and what isn't, we better know what is constitutional and what isn't...and we better be prepared to voice it lest we become part of the problem.

[Lady Believercaptain of 100]

But Ron Paul merits it?

The most holy human does not merit it. Only Christ merits the hope that has been pinned on Mitt."[/i]

Huh? Who said anyone thought Mitt was going to be responsible for our salvation? I was talking about voting for Mitt to be the president of the United States as someone who knows how to fix failing companies and stick to a realistic budget. And I don't see anything wrong with pinning hope on him for accomplishing that. Not to be mixed up with spiritual hope in Christ. Gee. Mitt does merit compliments on his business accomplishments.

I know who Jesus Christ is, and what his special gifts and responsibilities are for us. His calling has nothing to do with voting for president. How did that get mixed into the conversation?

Hope in Christ=salvation, exaltation etc
Hope in Mitt=make the US fiscally responsible

[Lady Believercaptain of 100]

Besides---how do we know what the Lord has in mind? Who knows what will happen if a Mormon is in the White House. Maybe the world gets to introduced to Mormonism in a way they never have. Maybe some evangelicals will soften their hearts. Or maybe it will open the door to bad last day's persecution. Who knows. But if Mitt does get elected, I believe it will be because it is the Lord's will. I can't pretend to know what the purpose might be, but I do believe there would be a purpose.

Maybe it's about a whole lot more than politics.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

What if Obama wins? Will that be the will of the Lord. Was the election in 2008 the will of the Lord? Do we have agency?

[Lady Believercaptain of 100]

Was it the will of the Lord that the Nephites won in some battles? Was it the will of the Lord that the Jews won in seemingly difficult circumstances?

If the Lord tries to influence you through the still small voice, does that mean you've lost your agency?

I don't think it was the will of the Lord for Obama to win. But I think people learn by that consequence, and the Lord works through that type of learning.

When I say if Mitt Romney wins the presidency that it would be the Lord's will, I say that because I wouldn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell of a Mormon winning that high of an office, especially a someone as imperfect as Mitt Romney. So, if he wins, it will seem to me to be a small miracle. Therefore, I believe it would be for some purpose, of which I can't claim to know.

I do recall a scripture in the Book of Mormon which states that any person coming to this Promised Land would come only as inspired from above. So if there is some guidance coming from above, for any and every person that comes to this country, hundred's of thousands of illegal aliens as well, then might the election of the leader of that nation be of considerable interest to the heavens, too? ....and come under some influence? For whatever reason.

Some people saw Obama as their savior and wanted him to be their savior. They had their agency and they voted. Maybe they have been humbled now, and are more ready to listen to more sound policies, as in more sound than socialism which Obama seems to favor. People still have their agency, but that doesn't mean that they don't get a conscience to listen to.

[Lady Believercaptain of 100]

Some days later, I post these quotes--which are a good reason that I will vote for Mitt Romney, because he's the closest thing to an Elder running for the President that I know of. Oh, wait, he is. It opens doors, doesn't it?

1) Prophecy of Joseph Smith, (ACCORDING to Orson Hyde):
was that the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and . . . "if the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the Elders of this Church." (Source: Journal of Discourses, Vol.6, p. 152, January 3, 1850


2) Prophecy of Joseph Smith (March 10, 1844):
Even this nation will be on the verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the Constitution is on the brink of ruin this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction. (Source: Joseph Smith P apers, LDS Church Historical Archives, Box 1, March 10, 1844; D. Michael Stewart, Ensign, Vol. 6, No. 6, June 1976, pp. 64-65)


5) from Boyd K. P acker in 2004:
"Will the Constitution be destroyed? No. It will be held inviolate by this people; and as Joseph Smith said "the time will come when the destiny of this nation will hang upon a single thread, and at this critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction."
It will be so. I do not know when that day will come or how it will come to pass. I feel sure that
when it does come to pass, among those who will step forward from among this people
will be men who hold the Holy Priesthood and who carry as credentials a bachelor
or doctor of law degree. And women also, of honor. And there will be judges as well.
Others from the world outside the Church will come, as Colonel Thomas Kane
did, and bring with them their knowledge of the law to protect this people.
We may one day stand alone, but we will not change
or lower our standards, or change our course."
(Source: "On the Shoulders of Giants", Brigham Young University J. Reuben Clark Law Society Devotional, Saturday, 2-28-04, 6:00 p.m)

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

Thanks for those quotes believer. I don't know if you are familar what what Pres Benson said on the subject. When asked will the LDS save the costitution he Replied: Yes but it won't be in Washington DC".

Makes Romney seem like an unlikley savior of the costitution,

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Be careful Sis, there are people here who don't like Boyd K. Packer---

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

Be careful Sis, there are people here who don't like Boyd K. Packer---

I think you have not read all of someone's posts Bob. Maybe you should go over them again and read every word before making such judgements.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Be careful Sis, there are people here who don't like Boyd K. Packer---

I think you have not read all of someone's posts Bob. Maybe you should go over them again and read every word before making such judgements.

See!

[Lady Believercaptain of 100]

Be careful Sis, there are people here who don't like Boyd K. Packer---

There are some people on here who don't like hardly anyone I've found out.

[Lady Believercaptain of 100]

Thanks for those quotes believer. I don't know if you are familar what what Pres Benson said on the subject. When asked will the LDS save the costitution he Replied: Yes but it won't be in Washington DC".

Makes Romney seem like an unlikley savior of the costitution,

I didn't say it would be him. It's just one door closer.

Besides really????? You'd rather have Obama? I'd shout it to the roof tops: ANYONE BUT OBAMA.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

No, I don't want Obama. I will probably have to vote for Romney, in hope he will be Bob's Heziekiah. I just do not think all will be well, simply because Romney gets into office. Many LDS think everything will be hunky-dory if we can get rid of old Obama and get a Mormon in there.

The whole system is rotten inside and out. A president has little control over much of what happens anyway.I think it puts many LDS to sleep, thinking all will be well now. Of course, that assumes Romney can even be elected.

All things are possible given that it is God's will. I just don't think this country is living up to the standard of being saved. A remenant, I can believe, but allowing us to continue to wallow in sin and destruction- going along as we have been doing. I don't buy that. Too many innocents are crying out from the grave, for vengence upon their murderers.

[freedomfightercaptain of 1,000]

No, I don't want Obama. I will probably have to vote for Romney, in hope he will be Bob's Heziekiah. I just do not think all will be well, simply because Romney gets into office. Many LDS think everything will be hunky-dory if we can get rid of old Obama and get a Mormon in there.

The whole system is rotten inside and out. A president has little control over much of what happens anyway.I think it puts many LDS to sleep, thinking all will be well now. Of course, that assumes Romney can even be elected.

All things are possible given that it is God's will. I just don't think this country is living up to the standard of being saved. A remnant, I can believe, but allowing us to continue to wallow in sin and destruction- going along as we have been doing. I don't buy that. Too many innocents are crying out from the grave, for vengeance upon their murderers.

We must think clearly here. It is not what may or may not be God's will for any candidate to get into office of POTUS. God's will is that we seek honest, wise and good people to fill that position...nothing more...nothing less. It is God's will for all of us to know the Constitution and to defend and uphold it at all costs. We can hinder God's will by us not doing what we're supposed to do. Why would he put a righteous person in office when we, as a whole, don't even know what the Constitution is all about? Would he put a righteous person in there even though as a whole, the country would scoff and ridicule him for his righteousness?

It is God's will that the Saints know that the Constitution is just as precious as is the gospel, to be protected and revered. They both came from God and are akin to one another.

I ask, DO THE SAINTS KNOW THIS?

Here it is for those who question my words.

Doctrine and Covenants 98:6
6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;

Doctrine and Covenants 101:80
And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.

Once freedom and liberty are lost it will take more bloodshed to restore it again.

God went through great steps for us to have freedom because He knows what some men will do to try to take it away and bring forth tyranny in its place. And so far the Gads are doing a pretty good job. Why? Because Americans do not know when they have it good, not to the point of keeping it! Khrushchev told Benson Americans are gullible. Was he correct? Now look where we're at. This is real sad.

Romney sure cannot do it. Obama will not do it. So just whose responsibility is it now to keep it?

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

How is it we can expect Romney to save the constitution when he's currently taking a steaming #2 on it? I'm going to have follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet, and not go astray. *Here's me looking down with scorn upon Mitt Romney* as per David O. McKay's admonition. I invite every loyal member of the church to follow suit.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

That dope smoking Marxist Obama is well on his way to completely destroying the Constitution! As was pointed out above, he will fail!

Bob

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

That dope smoking Marxist Obama is well on his way to completely destroying the Constitution! As was pointed out above, he will fail!

Bob

So let's give Romney a chance to destroy it! Yay!!!!!

[freedomfightercaptain of 1,000]

How is it we can expect Romney to save the constitution when he's currently taking a steaming #2 on it? I'm going to have follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet, and not go astray. *Here's me looking down with scorn upon Mitt Romney* as per David O. McKay's admonition. I invite every loyal member of the church to follow suit.

Ya, and the steam from many of the crumby President's we've had in the last 20+ years is getting thicker, not to mention the odor. It's going to take awakened Americans to change things for the good.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

I forward this as received, without comment. Yes, he told us in advance what he planned to do. Few were listening. The following is a narrative taken from a 2008 Sunday morning televised "Meet The Press'. From Sunday's 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, Televised "Meet the Press" THE THEN Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag. General Bill Ginn' USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain WHY he doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played. The General stated to Obama that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171... During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Or, at the very least, "Stand and Face It". NOW GET THIS !! 'Senator'Obama replied: "As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides".. "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression.." "The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that sort of thing." (ARE YOU READY FOR THIS???) Obama continued: "The National Anthem should be 'swapped' for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing'. If that were our anthem, then, I might salute it. In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as 'redesign' our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love.It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we, as a Nation of warring people, conduct ourselves like the nations of Islam, where peace prevails - - - perhaps astate or period of mutual accord could exist between our governments ......" When I become President, I will seek a pact of agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation, have placed upon the nations of Islam, an unfair injustice which is WHY my wife disrespects the Flag and she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past". "Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and I have put my hatred aside. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path..My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First black Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America "

WHAAAAAAAT, the Hell is that??? Yes, you read it right. I, for one, am speechless!!! Dale Lindsborg , Washington Post

Me too Dale!

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/a-users-g ... rack-obama

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

Obama is a piece of work but what can you beleive about him? He has proven to be a war-monger. 100,000 dead Lybians can attest to that. Also, his support of rebels in Syria and aggresive stance against Russia,China and Iran don't add up.

His disrepect for the flag is offensive.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Oh, there's a lot more-----

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism ... hool-Drugs

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

Now I know where you got your avatar. It looks just like the others, only a little older