I am not a Mason, but have been a researcher of all things Masonic for a very long time. A few times I considered becoming one, but that's another story.
I happened to be listening to a Cutting Through the Matrix podcast with Alan Watt today. And he basically said that Romney was untrustworthy, because he is a Mormon. And its not because of the Mormonism religion he was saying this, but because "all Mormons" are Masons, because we take Masonic oaths in the temple. Needless to say, I was disappointed by Alan Watt, who is usually really reasonable and generally on the right track.
Don't get me wrong. Romney is not the person I'm going to vote for, because he is not a constitutionalist.
But, to tell you the truth, I consider myself a patriot, but I've just about had it with the stuff coming out of some corners of the patriot movement about Masonry, because it is all so naive and unresearched, especially this latest stuff. The Mormon Church is not in league with Masonry at its highest levels. The Mormon Church has not had anything to do with Masonry for 150 years. Various apologists will give you their reasons for the Masonic influences in the temple ceremony. But just because someone practices a form of Masonic rites does not make them in league with Masonry.
Furthermore, in my researches, Masonry is not the boogey-man that everyone makes it out to be in conspiracy theory. But here are the facts from the point of view of critical thinking, rather than being bamboozled by conspiracy theory:
(1) Masonry is not a monolithic organization.
(2) There are many Masonic organizations that have nothing to do with one another.
(3) There was a Grand Schism in Masonry about the turn of last century between the Grand Orient (Grand Lodge) of France and the Grand Lodge of England. If it was true that Masonry was a monolithic conspiracy, there would be no such schism. This schism was over the allowance of women in Freemasonry, as well as overe the issue of whether a Mason had to believe in God or not. This created two major strains of Masonry: (1) Continental Masonry (some of which is co-Masonic, which means that they allow women in their lodges, or also that they allow lodges of women only) that looks to the Grand Orient of France as its mother lodge so to speak, and (2) the regular mainline Masonry (the "masculine" lodges, allowing only men) that is associated with the US Grand Lodges, that looks to the Grand Lodge of England as its mother lodge. Continental and co-Masonry has no affilation with mainline US Lodges.
(4) Each Masonic geographical jurisdiction is presided over by a "Grand Lodge," each of which is autonomous. The Grand Lodges cannot tell each other what to do. They can only decide if they are "in amity" (ie affilated with or recognized by) each other, where the members of one Grand Lodge can meet with or have association with the members of the other Grand Lodge jurisdiction. If a Grand Lodge ceases to recognize another, then the members are basically unable to affiliate with one another without facing possible sanctions or excommunication.
(5) Many Grand Lodges are not recognized by the mainline Grand Lodges, especially what are called Prince Hall Masonic Lodges that mostly have African American members. Many US Grand Lodges view Prince Hall Masons as "clandestine" or "irregular" (ie apostate or off base), but this is basically a vestige of a racist past in Masonry, where former slaves and other African Americans who were made Masons created their own lodges, distinct from the white lodges.
(6) There are many Masonic organizations that are considered "clandestine" or "irregular" by the mainline Masonic lodges. In fact, the Continental Masonry is viewed as "irregular" by US Lodges. But in reality, this is like the Catholics telling the Greek Orthodox that they are apostate, when the Eastern Orthodox have just as much claim to being "original Catholic" that the western Catholics do. In reality, these groups have evolved apart, but are just as "real" as any other. Some have been "excommunicated" by other Masons, so to speak, because of some fundamental disagreement, but then they go to try to affilate with other like-minded Masonic Organizations (such as the Idaho "Praxis" lodge that now affiliates with co-Masonic/Continental lodges, when it was "excommunicated" from regular US Masonry). Some are self-created, self-identifying Masonic organizations, without having come out of other Masonic organizations orginally, that seek recognition by other Masonic organizations, but that is another issue altogether.
(7) Just because secret combinations such as the Klu Klux Klan and the Illuminati originated in Masonic lodges doesn't make the rest guilty of conspiracy by association. There will always be evil and conspiring men in among any group of people. Just because Albert Pike and Alister Crowley were devil worshippers and occultists has nothing to do with the rest of Masonry. Masonry in itself has nothing to do with the occult.
(8) It is true that the New World Order has Masonic origins because it coalesced from the Illuminati and the Theosophical co-Masonic individuals that were the followers of Blavatsky. But once again, co-Masonry has been villified for this, when regular co-Masonry has nothing to do with the Blavatsky-ites. It is the Blavatsky-ite Theosophical doctrines in the NWO that are behind the Maitreya and Share International.
Just because Cain became Master Mahan, being initiated in a corruption of temple ceremony rites doesn't reflect on true temple ceremony rites or true temples.
Just because Gadiantons use corruptions of temple rites has nothing to do with true temple rites.
Just because Wiccans use modified Masonic rites doesn't mean that regular Masons are Wiccans.
Just because FLDS are "Mormons" in some ways doesn't make them LDS, or have anything to do with the LDS.
In other words, this all comes down to the classic fallacious thinking that just because there are black horses doesn't make all horses black.
Certainly, no patriot would deny that there is a "Masonic" conspiracy called the New World Order. But only foolish thinking leads to the idea that therefore all Masonic organizations or all Masons are part of a conspiracy. And certainly, just because Mormonism is Masonic because of Temple rites (in the sense that it was influenced by it), Mormonism has nothing to do with Masonry, nor does it have anything to do with the New World Order.
I just get fed up by this kind of stuff, so I thought I'd say something about it.
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on Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:11 am, edited 6 times in total.