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Re: Authority in the America

Postby AshleyB » Fri May 20, 2011 8:36 pm

Wow this is the kind of stuff that really gets me upset. I cant stand injustices like this. I have an example and it in no way compares to many of these but here it is. When I was single and even before I was a member of the church. I was a teenager actually and I was a really good kid. Didn't do drugs or get in to trouble...nothing like that. And for the most part was respectful of my parents. I was a senior in high school and one of my best friends and I happened to be on the way home. It was on the weekend and I think it was late as well. Im not sure what time it was exactly but it couldn't have been too late because I would have gotten in a lot of trouble. It was dark. He was taking me home and we were pulled over because one of his headlights went out and wasn't fixed yet. When the cop pulled us over he was pretty much being a jerk to us which I couldn't understand because it was a broken headlight. Not like we were speeding or causing trouble or even being disrespectful. He then asked us to get out of the truck which I thought was very odd but we agreed to let him search my friends truck. So the cop starts searching the truck and to no avail finds anything he was looking for probably drugs of some sort. Or something we could get in trouble for. And while this is going on THREE more cop cars pull up to "help" Yes THREE. I pulled one of them to the side and said so is this ruetine for a broken headlight? Im confused? And the cop said well " He thought you had a deer in headlights look." So he called for back up and wanted to search the truck to make sure you weren't up to something. I was so angry when he said this. REALLY? I probably had that look because we were doing nothing wrong and we were asked to get out of the vehicle and the cop was being totally rude. And is it really necessary to call for back up for a 5'0" 105 teenage girl and a young and not very big teenage boy?
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Postby Like » Mon May 23, 2011 6:19 pm

Judge Napolitano on how our freedoms have been systematically wiped out since the Constitution was signed

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Re: Authority in the America

Postby SempiternalHarbinger » Tue May 24, 2011 5:54 pm

Now police are told they can use Taser guns on children;

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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Samuel the Lamanite » Sun May 29, 2011 12:57 pm

Some great instances of real police brutality. Want to join an organization of cops and military active/veterans who are openly opposing such actions. Ever memebr MUST take 10 oaths. Check it out ASAP and if you feel like joining other Patriots, pleaase do so.

I'm refering to OathKeepers. Of course, they have been viciously attacked by the MSM, the pimps of the PTB.
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Like » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:51 am

Three of Sheriff Arpaio’s Officers Arrested

PHOENIX (CN) - Three members of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's staff were arrested on drug and human-trafficking charges, including a detention officer who allegedly is 8 months pregnant with the child of a drug lord.

It's the latest in a string of headlines for Maricopa County Sheriff Arpaio, who calls himself the toughest sheriff in America.

His officers, two female detention officers and a male deputy, were among 12 arrested after a nearly year-long investigation of the drug smuggling ring, the Arizona Republic reported.

Marcella Hernandez, a detention officer, told authorities she is 8 months pregnant with the child of Francisco Arce-Torres, who is believed to be the ringleader of the operation and a member of the Sinaloa cartel. Sinaloa state, whose capital is Culiacan, is a longtime center of marijuana and opium traffic, and home to a series of vicious drug lords.

Arce-Torres was arrested and charged with conspiracy, managing an organized crime syndicate, money laundering, controlling an illegal enterprise, and transporting drugs.

CNN reported that Hernandez, who was booked for transporting drugs and money laundering, allegedly allowed Torres to use two of her homes as "stash houses for narcotics and illegal drugs proceeds." Hernandez, 27, allegedly was arrested with $20,000 cash in her purse when she arrived at work.

Sheriff's Deputy Alfredo Navarrette, a former member of Arpaio's human smuggling task force, admitted providing information to members of the cartel about the sheriff's crime-prevention operations, Arpaio said at a press conference.

"We came up with the information, and we clean up our own house," Arpaio said after the arrests. "We confirmed our concerns today when [Navarrette] admitted to going to our command center and getting information to give to the cartels."

Navarrette, who is charged with human smuggling, money laundering, controlling an illegal enterprise and conspiracy, allegedly placed security cameras around Torres' home and offered to sell assault rifles. When authorities arrived at Navarrette's house to arrest him, they found two illegal immigrants inside, the Republic reported.

"That a deputy sheriff would provide information and associate with these drug and human traffickers is despicable," Arpaio said.

Detention Officer Sylvia Najera was charged with money laundering and controlling a criminal enterprise.
The group allegedly helped transport about $56,000 worth of heroin per week, according to the Arizona Republic.

After his own department was audited, Arpaio was accused in April of misspending almost $100 million over 8 years. A federal grand jury has been looking into abuse-of-power charges against Arpaio since 2009.
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Samuel the Lamanite » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:55 am

Like and others interested in police brutality... have you taken the time to invsetigate the OathKeeprs. They are a very active group. Marched at the head of the protest in AZ where that former Marine was killed with 60 bullets.
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Like » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:03 am

Samuel the Lamanite wrote:Like and others interested in police brutality... have you taken the time to invsetigate the OathKeeprs. They are a very active group. Marched at the head of the protest in AZ where that former Marine was killed with 60 bullets.


My favorite Oath Keeper, Sheriff Mack, he was in Tucson too with them.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=42359
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Samuel the Lamanite » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:18 pm

Like: God to hear we are not only brothers in Christ but also brothers in Oathkeepers. My qualification is as a veteran. How about yours?
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Re: Authority in the America

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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Tribunal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:04 pm

When policy and procedure trump common sense you have to wonder if humanity is lost!? Those mindless public 'servants' failed to serve the public! Simple! No excuse! Nothing! This is pure stupidy, and frankly, evil! Ugg!!!
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Samuel the Lamanite » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:14 pm

Getting close to the point with Germany's Gestopo but worse given the technolgies we have today. Hard to hide from despotism.
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby shadow » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:29 pm

Tribunal wrote:When policy and procedure trump common sense you have to wonder if humanity is lost!? Those mindless public 'servants' failed to serve the public! Simple! No excuse! Nothing! This is pure stupidy, and frankly, evil! Ugg!!!

There was also reported that 75 people watched from the beach. Why didn't they go in? Their actions, or lack thereof, only solidifies the perception that it's the law enforcement that has all the power. Men's hearts failing on all sides of that story.
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Samuel the Lamanite » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:40 pm

IMO, there are no limits. I understand that Congress has OKed this by its silence. Also, Congress in the War Powers Act coming up or already passed, allows Obama to completely ignore Congress in any future wars we fight.

It is quickly beoming obvious to me that Patriots may well have to copy what the Patriots of 1776 did.
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Re: Authority in the America

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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Samuel the Lamanite » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:13 pm

Very tough question to everyone. What line in the sand would have to be broached for you to take up arms against these traitors? Or would you simply accept the tyranny out of fear?

What say all?
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Tribunal » Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:39 am

shadow wrote:
Tribunal wrote:When policy and procedure trump common sense you have to wonder if humanity is lost!? Those mindless public 'servants' failed to serve the public! Simple! No excuse! Nothing! This is pure stupidy, and frankly, evil! Ugg!!!

There was also reported that 75 people watched from the beach. Why didn't they go in? Their actions, or lack thereof, only solidifies the perception that it's the law enforcement that has all the power. Men's hearts failing on all sides of that story.

We also have a culture that's unwilling to step up and fend for itself or others. Remember Katrina? How many people didn't heed the warnings to leave even as the water level rose because they were waiting for their checks in the mail and government to rescue them? We have become dependent on government to provide for us.

I can't remember the term but I've seen it happen before in the military. A unit relies on their leader for leadership and when he is killed the remaining members of the unit stand around like idiots because there's no one to lead them.

WE NEED MORE LEADERS!!!
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Samuel the Lamanite » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:38 pm

Tribunal: Perhaps we do but of the right kind. ETB said that we need more loyal followers, not more prophets.

What say ye?
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Like » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:54 am

FDA sends US marshals to seize elderberry juice concentrate, deems it 'unapproved drug'

(NaturalNews) Wyldewood Cellars, a Kansas-based producer and distributor of elderberry juice, is the latest raid target of the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which recently sent US marshals to the company's winery in Mulvane to confiscate the "unapproved drug." According to the rogue agency, Wyldewood had violated provisions in the US Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FFDCA) that restrict health claims for food items, warranting the sudden invasion.

According to Barry Grissom, US Attorney for Kansas, the FDA sent a warning letter to Wyldewood in 2006 to remove or modify certain health claims that it said were in violation of federal law, but the company did not comply. FDA officials claim that Wyldewood continued to make unapproved claims, and that seizing the product was the next step.

However, John Brewer, co-founder of Wyldewood, says that after receiving the initial FDA warning letter, his company hired a consultant familiar with FDA regulations to help his company reword their product descriptions. After making the appropriate changes, and clarifying that the elderberry products in question were supplements, Brewer says his company had done what it needed to in order to be in compliance.

"We haven't heard anything from (the FDA) since," he told reporters, noting that following the changes up until the raid, the FDA had ceased communicating with Wyldewood. "They've been in our facility multiple times. It's like, 'C'mon guys, we changed our label, we changed everything we thought we were supposed to do.' And then they show up and do this. (Supplements) seems to be one of their hot buttons these days."

This tactic, of course, has become all too common in recent years. A company receives a warning letter from the FDA, makes the appropriate changes, never hears anything further from the FDA, and out of nowhere gets raided. Such actions on behalf of the FDA are ultimately unwarranted and illegal, and the offended parties have every right to sue the agency for damages.

"You think you are doing things correctly, and there hasn't been any word, and all of a sudden you get this," said Brewer to The Kansas City Star.
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby SmallFarm » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:59 am

Like wrote:
FDA sends US marshals to seize elderberry juice concentrate, deems it 'unapproved drug'

(NaturalNews) Wyldewood Cellars, a Kansas-based producer and distributor of elderberry juice, is the latest raid target of the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which recently sent US marshals to the company's winery in Mulvane to confiscate the "unapproved drug." According to the rogue agency, Wyldewood had violated provisions in the US Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FFDCA) that restrict health claims for food items, warranting the sudden invasion.

According to Barry Grissom, US Attorney for Kansas, the FDA sent a warning letter to Wyldewood in 2006 to remove or modify certain health claims that it said were in violation of federal law, but the company did not comply. FDA officials claim that Wyldewood continued to make unapproved claims, and that seizing the product was the next step.

However, John Brewer, co-founder of Wyldewood, says that after receiving the initial FDA warning letter, his company hired a consultant familiar with FDA regulations to help his company reword their product descriptions. After making the appropriate changes, and clarifying that the elderberry products in question were supplements, Brewer says his company had done what it needed to in order to be in compliance.

"We haven't heard anything from (the FDA) since," he told reporters, noting that following the changes up until the raid, the FDA had ceased communicating with Wyldewood. "They've been in our facility multiple times. It's like, 'C'mon guys, we changed our label, we changed everything we thought we were supposed to do.' And then they show up and do this. (Supplements) seems to be one of their hot buttons these days."

This tactic, of course, has become all too common in recent years. A company receives a warning letter from the FDA, makes the appropriate changes, never hears anything further from the FDA, and out of nowhere gets raided. Such actions on behalf of the FDA are ultimately unwarranted and illegal, and the offended parties have every right to sue the agency for damages.

"You think you are doing things correctly, and there hasn't been any word, and all of a sudden you get this," said Brewer to The Kansas City Star.

Wow. Seems like we're getting closer to the injustices that were enacted on the american colonists by the british.
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Samuel the Lamanite » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:12 am

We're past that point already. There would have been a revolution back then but we have become sheeple and are sound asleep.
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Tribunal » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:13 am

Samuel the Lamanite wrote:We're past that point already. There would have been a revolution back then but we have become sheeple and are sound asleep.

Even sheep have a tipping point! At what point will the American-sheeple wake up and say enough is enough?

The way I see it is right now we are at the boiling point and all hell is about to spill over.
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Samuel the Lamanite » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:09 am

Tribunal, FYI, on another thread I asked the question, "What is your tipping point that would lead you to do what the 1776 Patriots did?" No answers back. So I ask you and those lurking on this thread, what is your tipping point?
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Nan » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:32 am

The tipping point for sheep will be when they don't get their welfare checks. That is the only think that will motivate them to do anything.
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Samuel the Lamanite » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:01 pm

Nan: I believe you are right. BUT.. what is your personal tipping point. What would be general tipping point for the Saints?
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Tribunal » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:43 am

Samuel the Lamanite wrote:Tribunal, FYI, on another thread I asked the question, "What is your tipping point that would lead you to do what the 1776 Patriots did?" No answers back. So I ask you and those lurking on this thread, what is your tipping point?

Sorry Samuel, must have missed your question.

My tipping point is going to be when someone tries to enter my property or take my property without my permission. And when someone enters or tries to take my neighbor's property without their permission? And when there's chaos in the streets and my skills are needed to defend my neighbors and my family.

What's your tipping point?
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Re: Authority in the America

Postby Samuel the Lamanite » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:05 pm

Tribunal: The big question then is what excatly are you willing to do? Use any type of defensive violence? How can you win alone when three SWAT teams people come to your property?

My tipping point occured on Jan 9, 2009 when NO one challeneged Obama's natural born citizenship even though all had been sent certified, return receipt letters with evidence sufficient to conclude reasonable doubt. NO ONE!!!! Then I knew that America was on its ways down the tubes. Now, Obama was forced by Trump to show a totally BC which is a total fraud yet still no one does anything to force him to step down and then try him criminally. I tried to warn everyone who would listen that it was time in 2009 to organize and do what the Patriots in 1776 did. Imagine 80 million gun oweners saying ENOUGH and being organized?

I know one thing now... the Army of Israel is our only hope but I have heard zero about this. So...my line has been crossed multiple times. But as one person, I cant stop it.
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