Found it! Mitt Romney denies first vision

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

As much as I don't care for Mitt (as a political leader), and as poorly as I think this reflects on his character and willingness to stand for truth let the consequence follow - I think this incident is not worth making much of a fuss over. I look at it and it slightly reinforces my opinion of him, but again I don;t think it is really usefule as a talking point for convincing people that Mitt is not the man to support.

His record and past policy positions provide much more legitimate grounds for doing so. The evidence that he changes position on almost any issue depending on which way the political winds are blowing is damning (if not in an eternal sense, certainly in the sense of whether he should be supported or not.)

I still maintain, if he had a true change of mindset and would stand for constitutional principles, I would still support him in a minute. Anyone that can listen to him talk for more than five minutes and not realize that he is a Mormon snake oil salesman who will say whatever he feels he needs to in order to "seal the deal" is in my opinion, not only deceived, but not even trying to perceive truth.

Go ahead, trot out some General Authority or other who supports him - so what? That's evidence that Mitt is the Lord's Annointed choice for POTUS? Please, just go back to kneeling to the queen of England and Prince Charles, Prince William, and Prince Harry. Obviously God was in control of the bloodline that their superior spirits were born into, it's obvious that they are therefore ordained of God as well.

[JasonI am a nobody!]

As much as I don't care for Mitt (as a political leader), and as poorly as I think this reflects on his character and willingness to stand for truth let the consequence follow - I think this incident is not worth making much of a fuss over. I look at it and it slightly reinforces my opinion of him, but again I don;t think it is really usefule as a talking point for convincing people that Mitt is not the man to support.

His record and past policy positions provide much more legitimate grounds for doing so. The evidence that he changes position on almost any issue depending on which way the political winds are blowing is damning (if not in an eternal sense, certainly in the sense of whether he should be supported or not.)

I still maintain, if he had a true change of mindset and would stand for constitutional principles, I would still support him in a minute. Anyone that can listen to him talk for more than five minutes and not realize that he is a Mormon snake oil salesman who will say whatever he feels he needs to in order to "seal the deal" is in my opinion, not only deceived, but not even trying to perceive truth.

Go ahead, trot out some General Authority or other who supports him - so what? That's evidence that Mitt is the Lord's Annointed choice for POTUS? Please, just go back to kneeling to the queen of England and Prince Charles, Prince William, and Prince Harry. Obviously God was in control of the bloodline that their superior spirits were born into, it's obvious that they are therefore ordained of God as well.

LOL.....hearty AMEN!

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

I don't disagree with much of your assessment here of Romney as a politician Col. I am not a Romney man as I think he is much like most any other politician out there who stick their finger in the wind and say whatever will get them elected. I responded on this thread because I think it is totally unfair to say as the thread title suggests that Mitt Romney denied the first vision as we all know he did nothing of the sort.

That is nice to hear.

As I said before Bro. you or anyone can judge his faults as the political figure and have every right and responsibility to declare where he doesn't measure up as a constitutionalist but when this kind of silliness comes up about the mans testimony of the gospel and claims are made that are blatantly false I will step in and defend him as I would any other member because I think that is just slanderous crap.

I thought he really dropped the ball with the question and intentionally side-stepped it so as to avoid looking like a kook in the media's eyes, but the question he was posed was akin to the Pope being asked if he believes in mass... but Romney went out of his way to say that "I don't know that anyone has spoken with God since Moses". While he isn't directly denying Joseph's vision, he isn't exactly saying he believes it either. That's what a slick politician does - they find a way to side-skirt the issue and give an answer that neither denies or confirms.

It never ceases to amaze me Col how you know just what is in someone else's mind.

Nat, how am I reading his mind? And am I attesting to such? I simply stated what he said, nothing more.

From the beginning Mitt made it clear that this election should not be decided by religion...to make it otherwise would have been a diservice to any other Latter-day Saint wanting to run for office in the future.

I'm not saying he did or didn't - I'm just reiterating his response to the question he was posed that he danced around.

Fact: Mitt is an establishment politician who has compromised himself morally, ethically and religiously for political gain, prestige and support, plain and simple. That is not opinion... that is a fact.

[liberty_bellecaptain of 100]

People had challenged me in a thread a while back about my assertion that Mitt Romney denied the First Vision in a TV interview while running for President. It was removed from the news website it was originally posted on, but I finally came across it on youtube.

Ah, I was looking for this

[lumberjacksdaughtercaptain of 50]

Boy, am I a fool! I won't even not list "Christian/LDS" as my faith on Match.com because I feel like it would be denying Christ to not acknowldege that I'm a Mormon. Romney had the chance to bear his testimony in front of tens of thousands and instead said that God has not talked to anyone in these latter days. He could even have said that his relationship with God is a personal matter and then invite anyone interested in the tenets of his faith to visit LDS.org. Guess I should change my answer on Match.com to "Christian/Other". I am positive that it would make me more appealing to more guys looking for the right companion.

[ryanfarrHi, I'm new.]

Clearly he's in the publics eye and is not out preaching the gospel but trying to get elected to President. You can't talk about God visiting Joseph Smith on a TV and expect to reach your goal to be President. Any public relations adviser would applaud his approach in this interview. People seriously need to be a little more understanding and not be so quick to judge incorrectly...one our church's biggest faults.

[jeanpierrecaptain of 100]

Thanks for digging this up again. I keep losing track of it. I have brought this to the atttention of many Mormons who insist that this video is a fake. I find that in some cases bringing it to the attention of Mormons generates ill will toward me, which upsets my wife such that it is not worth the bother.

[jeanpierrecaptain of 100]

It may be more accurate to say that Mitt Romney dodged an opportunity to explain a major belief of Mormons, and in so doing made an incorrect and misleading statement about our belief. I find nearly all Mormons I associate with are unaware of this misstatement. As I said,, most do not want to hear about it and brush it off.