Single Most Important Political Issue/Obstacle?

[blakwatch]

In terms of purely political issues, what is the single biggest issue/obstacle to making important fundamental changes in this country?

[buffalo_girl]

GOVERNMENT

[Jason]

http://ampedstatus.com/the-economic-eli ... ica-part-i

[Col. Flagg]

Not sure I can pin it down to just one, but here are four: The 'Fed', Washington, DC, big banks (JP Morgan, Citi, Goldman-Sachs, etc.) and Wall Street. The military-industrial complex is a close 5th.

[InfoWarrior82]

Probably one of the most important things that I could think of is the secret combinations that are among all nations. Especially within the Land of Promise-- the Lord had declared this land to be an Ensign to all other nations. From my experience, many members of the church cannot name a specific group or organization that would resemble these "gadianton robbers". In my searching of the scriptures and deep study of the political ongoings of the world today, I can surely say that it has been the corruption of governments to the point of almost entirety. I've heard some throw out wild guesses and say that these secret combinations are most likely only the mob or greedy corporations and refuse to even look at those who rule over us. Some like to say they only exist in one political party or the other, but in reality they have infiltrated almost every major influential organization known to man and are trying to bring about satan's goals. I've even heard some say "Question with boldness!" and at the same time refuse to explore any more evidence that may be brought before them that may threaten their own safe and secure reality.

Ether Chapter 8

20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people, and they are had among the Lamanites.
21 And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.
22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.
23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.
24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.
25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath chardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

[blakwatch]

Doesn't seem to be much consensus here.

In terms of picking battles, and focusing effort on one single, specific political issue or obstacle that could make a real difference in terms of fundamental change in this country, what would that issue be?

What single, specific issue, if any, could make more difference, politically, than any other?

I was actually hoping to see some kind of consensus that could be considered a clear direction.

On the other hand, maybe it's just not that big a deal.

[kathyn]

Blakwatch, it's just that we have so many areas of concern anymore that it's hard to isolate out the biggest ones. For me, it's the debt we owe to the Fed and everyone else. We could work through many things, but the economy is the thing that will be the catalyst that will unravel everything.

[InfoWarrior82]

Blakwatch, it's just that we have so many areas of concern anymore that it's hard to isolate out the biggest ones. For me, it's the debt we owe to the Fed and everyone else. We could work through many things, but the economy is the thing that will be the catalyst that will unravel everything.

Agreed. The collapse of the economy is the lynchpin to officially unveil their true intentions-- which is to destroy the constitution and form world government.

[blakwatch]

The collapse of the economy is the lynchpin to officially unveil their true intentions-- which is to destroy the constitution and form world government.

Maybe you're hitting on something there. Who is "their"?

And what is the primary vehicle or vehicles being used to make it happen?

[InfoWarrior82]

The collapse of the economy is the lynchpin to officially unveil their true intentions-- which is to destroy the constitution and form world government.

Maybe you're hitting on something there. Who is "their"?

And what is the primary vehicle or vehicles being used to make it happen?

I thought you might ask this.

For those who are unaware of what the New World Order is and want a comprehensive place to begin doing their own research should begin by reading this book:

Video of Ezra Taft Benson publicly endorsing "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" by Gary Allen during General Conference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJNMcD2IY_k

Here is the entire book on .pdf format:

http://www.captaincanadacrusades.ca/art ... 5B1%5D.pdf

[tmac]

Maybe it's just me, but isn't it our two party political system? Aren't the Republican and Democratic Parties the two biggest vehicles used to accomplish this agenda? And isn't our two party system the single biggest obstacle to fundamental change in this country? According to recent polls, 60% of the people in this country now identify themselves as independents, yet they have no voice, and no effective representation. Both parties have been infiltrated by the Progressive agenda, which the last 4-5 administrations have aggressively pursued, passing the baton back and forth, on a forced march towards socialism and NWO, with the current administration sprinting towards the finish line. Some argue that together, these parties act as a shadow government that completely dictates the agenda of the real government, and tell it what to do -- much like the Politburo in Russia. These parties have no accountability to the American People. All their childish bickering is just a smokescreen to distract the American people, while our government(s) do their bidding. At least that's my two bits worth.

[clarkkent14]

For those who are unaware of what the New World Order is and want a comprehensive place to begin doing their own research should begin by reading this book:

Video of Ezra Taft Benson publicly endorsing "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" by Gary Allen during General Conference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJNMcD2IY_k

Here is the entire book on .pdf format:

http://www.captaincanadacrusades.ca/art ... 5B1%5D.pdf

I second that. I would focus solely on the FED! END IT and you might have something... but they will throw us into WW3 before we can touch them. Whatever happens it will be controlled and manipulated by these intl bankers.

[Jason]

The Fed is definitely a big one. If you look at the infiltration step by step over time. Obviously they aren't going to just say....OK guys you're right...we are bad boys and we need to change our ways.....or we're going to step back and turn the reins over.

So in terms of winning it back.....do we:

1) just wait for them to gnaw at each other's throats and hope whoever is left will be nice to us?
2) wait and hope the whole world breaks down into chaos thus allowing a group of us to group together and survive the chaos?
3) march on Washington with a sword in hand and title of liberty flying in the breeze?
4) send assassination squads after the fed reserve members?
5) try to take it back in a step by step approach....if so what are the steps?
6) just wait and hope and pray the Lord does something miraculous because we aren't willing to do anything ourselves?
7) wait for someone else to step forward and go along for the ride?
8) just hope someone else does it and stay out of the way?
9) just complain about it and post lots of posts of LDSFF?
10) just keep voting for whoever appears to be the lessor of two evils?

[Jason]

Some suggestions here - priority levels???
http://ampedstatus.com/part-vi-how-to-f ... of-the-usa

good perspectives in the comments as well.....thoughts on restrictions on corporations....clarification of 14th amendment?
more from the commentator here - http://www.sonic.net/~taryfast/us.html

[Chip45]

Building on Jason's comment above ... I think Cleon Skousen's "The Naked Capitalist" is a good eye-opener. Further, how to fight the federal government which is in tight collusion with the international banking cartel (who owns who?)? The Founders gave us the way, if we but have the courage to do it. The reason we do not know about it is that our "public" (read "government") education system has done, and continues to do, exactly as intended - to dumb down each rising generation as to the principles the Founders understood were critical to freedom & liberty (Read Cleon Skousen's "The 5000 Year Leap). So what strategy to take? It must come from state nullification, jury nullfication and ultimately, we must be willing to consider outright secession from this seriously flawed union. Clearly most all are correctly pointing to excessive centralization of power in our federal government - and we must realize that such centralization is even growing at international centers, (i.e U.N., EU and the proposed North American Union). Individuals or even small groups cannot stand against the Amerikan Federales ... remember Waco? We do not need any more "Alamos". We must elect (at teh state level) courageous and good men and women who understand the proper role of government and what our Founder's created with the compact we call our Constitution. We see a very little movement in this direction with the recent actions regarding firearms builts within a state and used within a state, thus not requiring the clear "infringements" we've endured increasingly from the federal gov't. I see no other path that offers any kind of hope of success. Further, if we take such action we can pray for divine help and in taking such action, pray we are worthy of such help. If we sit idly by waiting for some miracle, we risk proving ourselves unworthy.

[blakwatch]

Great links Jason. Thanks. Looks interesting.

Keying in on Chip's point(s), in terms of electing good and courageous men and women who understand the proper role of government, what's it going to take to get them into office?

What are the obstacles to getting good, courageous, principle-based people into office?

On any of these issues -- whichever is the most important or critical issue -- if one were to spell out the steps that would be required to make fundamental changes on just one important issue, what would those steps be?

Choosing just one issue, where would you start, and what steps would need to be taken to make it happen?

[Chip45]

I think of the recent republican primary in Texas, where an apparently good candidate threw herself in the race (one Debra Medina) and the cowardly Texans stupidly re-nominated as the republican candidate for governor, incumbant Rick Perry, clearly a globalist big government republican that portrayed himself as "anti-federal government".

So ... #1 obstacle ... a cowardly and dumbed down populace which, sadly, proves itself (in it's current condition) unworthy for the freedom system bequeathed us. We are "benefit corrupted", comfortable living on the "federal plantation" - thus, it is a blessing, this financial collapse ... for it make force an apathetic people to begin to resist. Perhaps, the "fat life" we have been living as slaves needs to be taken from us so that we are jolted out of apathy?
#2 obstacle ... those who are awake to the awfulness of our situation and educated to the proper role of government and can articulate the case (etc.) ... will they step forward and enter the dirty business of running for office?
#3 obstacle ... the growing centralization of power. If there rises any serious opposition to the elites, they are in power positions where they can really turn up the heat and then, can the people stand the heat? They can start a war. They can create complete financial collapse. They can produce false flag operations and use the MSM to strike fear in the people. Propaganda is a powerful weapon. They can bring direct force upon any who are identified as "domestic terrorists" and through their high technology surviellence, they can watch all of us. One cannot hide here ... it would be easier in Nazi Germany or even communist East Germany decades ago. They have many, many tools with which to wage "total war" upon any rebellious state. And they are evil enough to do all of that and more. For their god is satan.
Therefore, many obstacle BUT ... like President Benson once said, "in the end" we know who wins and it may not be here in this life but in the life to come and so ... do we prove ourselves worthy of such glory, or do we prove ourselves as not valiant. We "talked the talk" before in the pre-existence ... but now, we must "walk the walk" and that is very difficult. Do we have the courage of those of 1776? Will we , can we, risk what they did? Candidly, such thoughts shake me to my core.

[Chip45]

Jason, that "ampedstatus ..." link with the author (David DeGraw), his "solutions" sound a bit what I'd expect from a marxist ... "redustribute the stolen wealth ..." .... "Organized masses" .... he may correctly point the finger at the "corporate elites" and the "banking cartels" .... but heck, a good communist will do the same pointing. IMO ... his "solutions" do not coincide with what the Founders described ... naw, I conclude ( after a short scan of his last subject on what actions to take) .... it is people like him who would, given a rebellion, turn it into another French-style 1789, Reign of Terror, type of revolution which would simply lead to some sort of dictatorship. I again conclude, power needs to be checked, DE-centralized, just like teh Founders designed it, originally. Anything more or less ... cometh of evil.

[kgrigio]

So ... #1 obstacle ... a cowardly and dumbed down populace which, sadly, proves itself (in it's current condition) unworthy for the freedom system bequeathed us. We are "benefit corrupted", comfortable living on the "federal plantation" - thus, it is a blessing, this financial collapse ... for it make force an apathetic people to begin to resist. Perhaps, the "fat life" we have been living as slaves needs to be taken from us so that we are jolted out of apathy?

Chip, I think you hit the nail on the head. The only way to make a complete change is to have a change of heart of those that do the electing. We must clean the inner vessel first. Until there are enough of us out there that aren't willing to vote for the lesser of two evils, nothing will change.

[creator]

In terms of purely political issues, what is the single biggest issue/obstacle to making important fundamental changes in this country?

Repentance. (righteousness exalteth a nation)

[blakwatch]

Repentance sounds like a real good place to start.

But it still seems like a pretty vague, ambiguous and amorphous principle in terms of what actually needs to happen to turn things around.

If we all -- or enough to make a difference -- repent, do the problems magically go away?

I'm trying to figure out what the step by step process that would actually need occur, in concrete terms, to make fundamental changes.

The common steps of repentance are: 1) recognize our sin(s) and feel Godly sorrow; 2) Confess to God; 3) Ask for Forgiveness; 4) Rectify problems caused by the sin(s), including making Restitution; 5) Forsake the Sin(s), and; 6) Receiving Forgiveness.

Now, how do those steps apply to us as a people -- as a nation.

After making recognition -- acknowledging the problem(s) -- and awakening to our awful situation, which a few have done, but the vast, vast majority have not, where do we go from there?

In concrete terms, for example, what do we do to rectify the problems caused by our sins, make restitution, and exactly which sins and what behavior is it that we need to forsake?

Again, we're talking about a people -- a nation -- and trying to get out of abstract theory, and down to concrete terms of what it would actually take to make something happen.

How do we "clean the inner vessel?"

How do we get enough people to do something other than "vote for the lesser of two evils?"

And then, even if there were "enough" people who would do something different, what and where are the other viable, electable choices?

In terms of candidates, etc., it looks to me like those who are waking up or have woken up and want to do something different are still absolutely insistent on splitting their votes in such a way that it is virtually impossible to actually accomplish anything.

So, let's assume that we all -- or enough to make a difference -- repented. What would the process then look like to actually change someting and make a difference? What would the result look like?

In terms of concrete steps, what would need to happen to make a meaningful difference?

Thoughts?

[Chip45]

Further, if enough people actually voted in Ron Paul-type Constitutionalists, that would not be the end of the struggle, the more difficult part would just begin and it'd be very painful and a long process.

Frankly, I do not see enough people waking up to stop this juggernaut to tyranny. I do not think enough could endure the pain the elites would impose upon us if we did mount a resistence to them.

Too, I think the "cup of iniquity" must overflow which will allow God to unleash His Righteous punishment upon the wicked. Think of all the evil this "secret"(?) combination is and has been doing, throughout the world. The massive suffering.

So, the few can do what they can to awaken others. They can prepare as best they can, so that a remenant will exist to welcome the Savior when He comes. We can vote wisely ....

[Jason]

In an effort to pull together what has been previously posted in a concise summary with thoughts and action points I put forth the following:

1) Education - we must awake. Awake to what though? IMO the understanding that we as a people are being conspired against in order to transfer our wealth (assets) and our liberty (freedom to pursue happiness - property, wealth, prosperity) to a ruling minority.

Once we are awakened we must make a dedicated effort to awaken those around us - family, friends, co-workers, etc. Whether its a commitment to share materials (anything from testimony to books to documentaries to web sites) with 5 people a month and then commit them to reach out to five a month.....or whatever your goal would be.....but we must take action and put forth efforts....share the word!

2) Politics - once awakened and striving to awaken others....we must take action and involve ourselves in politics (something I've personally avoided like the plague....other than some monetary donations to whom I felt was worthy candidate). Rather than some effort at chopping down the tree in one stroke (hoping a president can change the system - a Ron Paul who will suddenly right all the wrongs if just placed in that one position) I put forth that it starts with a local effort (as mentioned in previous posts). We must do as we've been counseled and search out good honest men to run for office....then back that person up with our personal dedicated efforts.

One hurdle that I saw mentioned previously....and also on the web link I posted.....is the two party system. We've been caught up in this left vs. right facade for so long we now have a conditioned response. Don't like one....give the other a shot.....and then vice versa. And back and forth we've gone for over a century now.... I think its time for serious change in that regard. Unless we can break this two party system and open up the approach to politics.....for more emphasis on each candidate and their personal beliefs/principles rather than party politics and values....we will continually be banging our head against the brick wall (getting ripped apart in the primaries long before the people as a whole get a chance to put forth their voices on the matter).

3) Media - obviously any efforts in doing the above will bring the teeth in the main stream media out. One thing we have going for us is that grip is losing its strength. People are gravitating away from MSM towards internet and alternative sources of information. Efforts are underway to curb the internet but for now we have a fairly open effective tool. We must act NOW though as the window of opportunity is shrinking rapidly. One way to circumvent the MSM is personal one-on-one contact and sharing of information. We need to support alternative sources of information that we find to be honest and valuable....whether its a website, blog, documentary, forum, or other.

4) Focus - efforts need to be focused on objectives we can win. We can talk about the Federal Reserve till we are blue in the face and hyperventilating.....but the reality of doing something about it....will take massive power and change in the system. Congress needs to regain its teeth and power. That won't happen till we have good honest representatives. That won't happen till the two party system is broken. That won't happen until we, as a people, get involved and create alternatives. That won't happen until a good portion of us unite on a goal and focus all our efforts on that objective.

For example, the electronic voting machines may make the big choice for us....giving us no opportunity for the long shot one man president position....but locally we can get involved and reject those machines....or require paper audit trails, etc.....but we must get involved and make a stand - where we stand. Lift where we stand as a very wise man has counseled us.

5) Principles - so often we get someone who appears to be good and honest....but they get swallowed up by the system....changed. Before we can engage in any effort we need to ask ourselves what that effort is based upon....What is the bedrock? The foundation? We've had all the sand we can stand....what's the bedrock? What principles did our founding fathers build upon? Have we strayed? If so....what must we get back to?

In the gospel the foundation....the rock....is Jesus Christ. He is our redeemer and savior. He set the perfect example and gave us His gospel to base (build) our lives upon. If we do this we are promised happiness and that the storms of life won't wash us away.

As a nation we must build upon bedrock or our efforts will be washed away in the storm. What are the core principles that form that bedrock?

Once we've identified the bedrock - this core group of principles.....THAT is what we must build upon. THAT is the foundation that our good honest men must build upon in office. THAT is what the people must build upon. Any debate over the wants/needs of the people....MUST be answered based on how the issue relates in comparison to the bedrock. Does it build upon the bedrock? If so...go for it! If not....toss it out! Even if it hurts!

Once we have identified the core bedrock.....We must make every effort possible to educate those around us about the bedrock. The bedrock must be the political stand....not charisma, popularity, party agenda, special interests, industry interests, etc etc.

IMO I think an opportunity (long shot for sure, but none the less, an opportunity) exists for successfully making an effort to save our country. It starts with each and every one of us. We must make the commitment and follow through. If we don't make an effort.....Do we have any justification in asking for help from above? If we aren't engaged....How can we expect help?

Thoughts? am I off course? misrepresented anything stated previously?

Directed mostly at myself....as I've been wondering for quite some time....What can I do? ....and so far all I've done is try to chart the decline and guesstimate what's next.

[blakwatch]

Jason, thanks so much for your thoughtful post.

I actually think you're right on course, and hitting the nail on the head in terms of what, if anything, can and needs to be done -- including the steps.

Otherwise, what do we do? -- Just throw our hands in the air and say "oh well, it's too late," or "it's just too tough to figure out," or "too late to do anything about."

I don't think there's anything we're going to be able to do at this point to prevent pain -- probably a lot of pain -- but I think there is something that can be done to help determine how long it lasts.

[Jason]

Link to Swarm USA....an effort by The American Party PAC....trying to educate people on the monetary aspect of our economy.
http://www.swarmusa.com/vb4/content.php

Blog with lots of good political links and feeds -
http://independentpac.blogspot.com/

Look forward to other political link tips and suggestions!!!!