The Earth is Not a Globe!?! Is God literal, water above and below the firmament?

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What do the scriptures teach us about the earth?

The Earth is a globe.
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The Earth is Flat like a terrarium (a dome).
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The Earth is a globe and hollow.
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The Earth is Flat and hollow.
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Postby kenssurplus » Tue May 09, 2017 9:39 pm

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You people appear to be perfectly impervious to that pox I pronounced on everyone who persisted in posting here.
Perhaps the pox you pronounced pales in performance as per the previous posters' persistence and propensity to procrastinate the threads passing? I thought I would just help you out with your p's and q's. :p :D
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Postby Silver » Wed May 10, 2017 4:43 am

kenssurplus wrote:
Tue May 09, 2017 9:39 pm
Silver wrote:
You people appear to be perfectly impervious to that pox I pronounced on everyone who persisted in posting here.
Perhaps the pox you pronounced pales in performance as per the previous posters' persistence and propensity to procrastinate the threads passing? I thought I would just help you out with your p's and q's. :p :D
Thanks for noticing. I hate when good material goes to waste.
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Postby Kitkat » Thu May 18, 2017 8:09 pm

19 billion a year and we still only get CGI composite earth images. Just one simple video of earth , from a few thousand miles out (like the satalites that do the same), rotating for 24 hours is all we ask. 19 billion... Greatest ponzi scheme of all time, theft of the American Tax payers like we haven't even begun to understand.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/file ... 5_2017.jpg
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/file ... posite.png

Look at Chile in South America, it practically touches Antartica.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... e_nasa_19/

One simple video. 19 billion.
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Postby Kitkat » Thu May 18, 2017 8:18 pm

This guy does better than NASA and he doesn't need 19 billion, just maybe 19 dollars.
https://youtu.be/9Q8PwcDzb8Y
https://youtu.be/6GLIbPKpgQ4
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Postby Syn » Thu May 18, 2017 10:22 pm

Vsauce asks the question... is the earth flat?
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJ ... nel=Vsauce[/youtube]

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Postby Silver » Fri May 19, 2017 4:25 am

Syn wrote:
Thu May 18, 2017 10:22 pm
Vsauce asks the question... is the earth flat?
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJ ... nel=Vsauce[/youtube]
And a comment below the video worth repeating:
Jacob Koste2 weeks ago
The flat earth society has members all around the globe.
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Postby gclayjr » Fri May 19, 2017 4:43 am

KitKat,
19 billion a year and we still only get CGI composite earth images. Just one simple video of earth , from a few thousand miles out (like the satalites that do the same), rotating for 24 hours is all we ask. 19 billion... Greatest ponzi scheme of all time, theft of the American Tax payers like we haven't even begun to understand.
For a conspiracy person like you, one can never prove a negative. They are out there, you will just self determine that they aren't real!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqAhWL3Vhjc

http://www.spaceadventures.com/10-best- ... stronauts/

How about Go Pro?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 72507.html

That is the problem with conspiracy folks, no facts will ever penetrate their fevered conspiratorial beliefs! Even a conspiracy so ridiculous that for it to be true, millions of people over centuries have to all collude together just to hide the fact that the earth is not a globe!... For what purpose?..

KitKat. Do you use GPS, Cell phones? watch TV? What keeps all of those satellites you are personally using, motionless above your flat earth?

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Postby Robin Hood » Fri May 19, 2017 5:04 am

gclayjr wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 4:43 am




KitKat. Do you use GPS, Cell phones? watch TV? What keeps all of those satellites you are personally using, motionless above your flat earth?
A lot of people who subscribe to the flat earth view do not accept that there are any satellites, so the question isn't particularly relevant.

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Postby Kitkat » Fri May 19, 2017 6:09 am

Syn wrote:
Thu May 18, 2017 10:22 pm
Vsauce asks the question... is the earth flat?
This entire video is based on the premise of a flat disc spinning. The flat earth the scriptures hint towards is not spinning, it is stationery, and the dome above spins perfectly around it.
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Postby Kitkat » Fri May 19, 2017 6:15 am

gclayjr wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 4:43 am
KitKat,
19 billion a year and we still only get CGI composite earth images. Just one simple video of earth , from a few thousand miles out (like the satalites that do the same), rotating for 24 hours is all we ask. 19 billion... Greatest ponzi scheme of all time, theft of the American Tax payers like we haven't even begun to understand.
For a conspiracy person like you, one can never prove a negative. They are out there, you will just self determine that they aren't real!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqAhWL3Vhjc

http://www.spaceadventures.com/10-best- ... stronauts/

How about Go Pro?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 72507.html

That is the problem with conspiracy folks, no facts will ever penetrate their fevered conspiratorial beliefs! Even a conspiracy so ridiculous that for it to be true, millions of people over centuries have to all collude together just to hide the fact that the earth is not a globe!... For what purpose?..

KitKat. Do you use GPS, Cell phones? watch TV? What keeps all of those satellites you are personally using, motionless above your flat earth?

Regards,

George Clay
Please refrain from putting words in other's mouths (see D&C 121:37) it just doesn't feel right.
For what purpose you ask? Ask the Lord, in that he states, the whole world is deceived - there are your billions rather than millions. Ask Him about it.

Yes, we use GPS, cell phones, no we do not watch TV. We believe satellites can exist, and low earth orbit is very likely within even a domed flat earth. Never stated otherwise.
There has been a great difficulty in getting anything into the heads of this generation. It has been like splitting hemlock knots with a corn-dodger [a piece of corn bread] for a wedge, and a pumpkin for a beetle [a wooden mallet]. Even the Saints are slow to understand.

“I have tried for a number of years to get the minds of the Saints prepared to receive the things of God; but we frequently see some of them, after suffering all they have for the work of God, will fly to pieces like glass as soon as anything comes that is contrary to their traditions: they cannot stand the fire at all. How many will be able to abide a celestial law, and go through and receive their exaltation, I am unable to say, as many are called, but few are chosen
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Postby gclayjr » Fri May 19, 2017 6:48 am

Kitkat,
Yes, we use GPS, cell phones, no we do not watch TV. We believe satellites can exist, and low earth orbit is very likely within even a domed flat earth. Never stated otherwise.
How do they stay up?

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Postby Silver » Fri May 19, 2017 6:50 am

gclayjr wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 6:48 am
Kitkat,
Yes, we use GPS, cell phones, no we do not watch TV. We believe satellites can exist, and low earth orbit is very likely within even a domed flat earth. Never stated otherwise.
How do they stay up?

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1. the curved path, usually elliptical, described by a planet, satellite, spaceship, etc., around a celestial body, as the sun.
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Postby gclayjr » Fri May 19, 2017 6:57 am

Kitkat,
Please refrain from putting words in other's mouths (see D&C 121:37) it just doesn't feel right.
Where did I err?
That is the problem with conspiracy folks, no facts will ever penetrate their fevered conspiratorial beliefs! Even a conspiracy so ridiculous that for it to be true, millions of people over centuries have to all collude together just to hide the fact that the earth is not a globe!... For what purpose?..
Will any facts penetrate your beliefs?

I rose to your Challenge, then I predicted how you would respond.
19 billion a year and we still only get CGI composite earth images. Just one simple video of earth , from a few thousand miles out (like the satalites that do the same), rotating for 24 hours is all we ask.
I provided non CGI images, in fact images that have not been edited at all., so did I err here?
For a conspiracy person like you, one can never prove a negative. They are out there, you will just self determine that they aren't real!
What word did I put into you mouth that doesn't fit your fanciful view of the universe?

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Postby Kitkat » Sat May 20, 2017 11:01 pm

gclayjr wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 6:48 am
Kitkat,
Yes, we use GPS, cell phones, no we do not watch TV. We believe satellites can exist, and low earth orbit is very likely within even a domed flat earth. Never stated otherwise.
How do they stay up?

Regards,

George Clay
No need for tens of thousands of miles per hour gravity stories any more. Gravity has been and still is a THEORY. Tesla had it figured out along with others it seems.
https://youtu.be/Ws6AAhTw7RA
https://youtu.be/AU0q4wVohF8
Comparing these two simple illustrations to "how something can stay up" kinda makes the THEORY of gravity seem foolish.
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Postby Kitkat » Sun May 21, 2017 7:35 pm

19, b.b.b.billion!
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Postby SempiternalHarbinger » Mon May 22, 2017 12:14 am

Kitkat wrote:
Sat May 20, 2017 11:01 pm
No need for tens of thousands of miles per hour gravity stories any more. Gravity has been and still is a THEORY. Tesla had it figured out along with others it seems.
Speaking of Nikola Tesla . . .
When the great truth accidentally revealed and experimentally confirmed is fully recognized, that this planet, with all its appalling immensity, is to electric currents virtually no more than a small metal ball and that by this fact many possibilities, each baffling imagination and of incalculable consequence, are rendered absolutely sure of accomplishment; when the first plant is inaugurated and it is shown that a telegraphic message, almost as secret and non-interferable as a thought, can be transmitted to any terrestrial distance, the sound of the human voice, with all its intonations and inflections, faithfully and instantly reproduced at any other point of the globe, the energy of a waterfall made available for supplying light, heat or motive power, anywhere—on sea, or land, or high in the air—humanity will be like an ant heap stirred up with a stick: See the excitement coming! — "The Transmission of Electric Energy Without Wires," 1904
Now please consider the electrically charged terrella (small metal ball) experiment
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What happens when the suns electric "Birkland" currents hit earth?
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Kristian Birkeland (Birkeland currents named after him) investigated the cause and nature of the Earth's aurora. Based on his observations, Birkeland hypothesized that electric currents in the atmosphere whose source was the Sun itself powered the aurora. On returning to the University of Oslo, Birkeland set about testing his ideas. He built a vacuum chamber and placed a magnetized metal ball called a terrella inside it, representing the Earth. Birkeland electrically charged the terrella and the chamber at varying magnitudes and polarities and observed how the terrella behaved in its artificial atmosphere.

Birkelands personal terrella experiments
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Postby gclayjr » Mon May 22, 2017 5:45 am

kitkat,
Comparing these two simple illustrations to "how something can stay up" kinda makes the THEORY of gravity seem foolish.
You have got to be kidding!

Look at that second picture, and read the title. There is an electric cord connected to a source of electricity. Turn off the electricity and electro magnets lose their charge and everything falls to the ground!

Heck a Helicopter can stay in one place forever, if it never runs out of fuel. There are no electromagnetic coils on the satellites, and they are not running any engine that never runs out of fuel!

I shouldn't do it , but I will help you out to make a better false illustration. Take two permanent magnets, and tie them to a string with the same poles facing each other and one will stay up forever!

First of all, there are no magnetic forces around that could keep 2 poles miles apart, and second of all, if there was such a thing, virtually any steel, iron, or other ferro metal item on the planet would go flying away.

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Postby Silver » Mon May 22, 2017 6:04 am

George,

The following could be beneficial in removing furrow in your brow.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)

- Crowd: A witch! A witch! A witch! We found a witch! We've got a witch! A witch! A witch! We have found a witch. May we burn her?
- How do you know she is a witch
- She looks like one.
- Bring her forward.
- I'm not a witch! I'm not a witch !
- But you are dressed as one.
- They dressed me like this. - No, we didn't.
- And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
- Well? - We did do the nose.
- The nose? - And the hat. But she is a witch !
- Did you dress her up like this? - No, no!
- Yes. A bit.
- She has got a wart.
- What makes you think she's a witch?
- She turned me into a newt!
- A newt?
- I got better.
- Burn her anyway!
- Quiet! Quiet!
- There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
- Are there? What are they? Tell us. - Do they hurt?
- Tell me, what do you do with witches?
- Burn them!
- And what do you burn, apart from witches?
- More witches! - Wood!
- So why do witches burn?
- 'Cause they're made of wood? - Good!
- How do we tell if she is made of wood? - Build a bridge out of her.
- But can you not also make bridges out of stone?
- Oh, yeah.
- Does wood sink in water?
- No, it floats. - Throw her into the pond!
- What also floats in water?
- Bread. - Apples.
- Very small rocks. - Cider! Great gravy.
- Cherries. Mud. - Churches.
- Lead. - A duck!
- Exactly.
- So, logically--
- If she weighs the same as a duck...
- she's made of wood.
- And therefore?
- A witch!
- A duck! A duck! - Here's a duck.
- We shaIl use my largest scales.
- Burn the witch !
- Remove the supports!
- A witch!
- It's a fair cop.
- Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
- I am Arthur, king of the Britons.
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Postby Silver Pie » Tue May 23, 2017 8:43 pm

But the LDS Church is one of those companies who have a satellite orbiting the earth.
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KitKat. Do you use GPS, Cell phones? watch TV? What keeps all of those satellites you are personally using, motionless above your flat earth?
A lot of people who subscribe to the flat earth view do not accept that there are any satellites, so the question isn't particularly relevant.
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Postby Robin Hood » Wed May 24, 2017 1:18 am

Silver Pie wrote:
Tue May 23, 2017 8:43 pm
But the LDS Church is one of those companies who have a satellite orbiting the earth.
Robin Hood wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 5:04 am
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Fri May 19, 2017 4:43 am




KitKat. Do you use GPS, Cell phones? watch TV? What keeps all of those satellites you are personally using, motionless above your flat earth?
A lot of people who subscribe to the flat earth view do not accept that there are any satellites, so the question isn't particularly relevant.
The LDS Church does not own a satellite.
It buys commercial satellite facilities for broadcasts.

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Postby JaredBees » Thu May 25, 2017 8:02 pm

This video is pretty compelling to me representing spherical proof... Also, I am always impressed, for the most part, how the flat folk give countering evidence. I would be curious to learn what they think about the video. Thanks!

https://youtu.be/LwZel_emm3Y
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Postby braingrunt » Sat May 27, 2017 10:30 pm

I'm uploading another flat earth debunk video:

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Postby Silver Pie » Tue May 30, 2017 3:07 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Wed May 24, 2017 1:18 am
The LDS Church does not own a satellite.
It buys commercial satellite facilities for broadcasts.
:-? I did not know that. I thought they owned the satellite(s) they used.
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Postby Kitkat » Tue May 30, 2017 7:55 pm

braingrunt wrote:
Sat May 27, 2017 10:30 pm
I'm uploading another flat earth debunk video:
"condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance"

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Postby Kitkat » Tue May 30, 2017 8:03 pm

"condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance"

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Postby Kitkat » Tue May 30, 2017 8:34 pm

Kids enjoyed this.
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Postby braingrunt » Wed May 31, 2017 9:47 am

Kitkat,
What is the force, in your understanding, which accelerates us downward?

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Postby wargames83 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:55 am

Helaman 12:15 says that the Earth moves relative to the Sun and not the other way around. Surely that contradicts the Flat Earth model.

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Postby LatterDayLizard » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:46 am

Kitkat wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:21 pm
Anyone have any thoughts as the why the UN has the flat earth map on their flag? A false flag perhaps :D
The UN is a global organization. If it tried to portray the world as it appears naturally on it's flag, there would be only one half represented.

There are true conspiracies and conspiring men out there. But when we read too much into things we risk 1. drawing false conclusions and 2. tainting our more viable evidence.
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Postby Kitkat » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:53 am

braingrunt wrote:
Wed May 31, 2017 9:47 am
Kitkat,
What is the force, in your understanding, which accelerates us downward?
Research electromagnetic or plasma universe. Electricity and magnetism in our current understanding can explain the theory of gravity.

Here is one Flat Earth proposal (not what we think or understand as of yet):
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki ... ge=Gravity

Here is one initial video I found (mute the volume and try to get through the point - kinda hard with this video, not the best put together, still searching):
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