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I think this is a good move on Glenn's part. For the time being we need to make it clear that we are non-violent and be above reproach in this regard. This will highlight that anyone that is behaving badly is either an agent provocateur or is not part of our movement but is acting on their own.

Certainly there are things worth fighting for and it may come to a fight. But I will side with everything Glenn says here.

The only things I know about Glenn Beck I read here or bits in the news and even then I really don't view a lot of the topics about this guy, however let's put it this way, if the government decided to physically imprison me for whatever their made up reasons were, I would be praying the whole time that the Lord would deliver me from bondage and if I had a chance to escape, I would hope I would have the strength to do anything to anyone who tried to stop me from physically escaping. I hope I would feel the Spirit was directing me. This is not my reality and I hope it never becomes so. Other then this I think I am a peaceful man and violence is not in my normal character. I feel no need to make this made up pledge.

Exactly right OI. The enemy wants violence and mobocracy to rule the day. This just plays right into their hands as an excuse to silence and control the "troublemakers". That is why the communist front groups led many of the violent demonstrations in the 60's. That is one of their tactics. Satan thrives on violence. Rule and reign with blood and horror baby.

Ok - trust me everyone ( Mark ) I'm not trying to be a Beck-hater here, I just noticed one thing that makes me a little uneasy about Glenn's list.
I actually heard this on the radio the other day, and thought "that sounds great", until I heard this:



I think that type of "pledge" could lead to trouble. As for me unless that "Captain" is Thomas Monson, Henry B. Eyring, L.Tom Perry- or "Captain" Moroni. Heck I will even follow Julie Beck ( love her ) or Sherry Dew!!! - I'm not really excited about "following" anyone other than folks like these. (oh yeah OF COURSE RON PAUL!!!!! )

Most likely the "movement leaders" will be some neocon pretending that they are trying the "win back rights for the people" when they are really just trying to get back in power.

Sorry but IMO this another example of 9 truths for one falsehood that Beck seems fond of teaching.

Indeed. I'll follow what the Lord directs me to do.

My advice, turn off the radio, turn off the TV and let your own spirit be your guide.

You are a wise man my friend.

Yeah I think it would be better if Beck would practice what he preaches by example. His tone often smacks as arrogant, especially when he doesn't agree. I'll believe it if he lives it. The follow the leader principles seems a little strange as well.

Bingo! Once again Mosby has shown his uncanny ability to recognize the truth. Just another example of how he (Beck ) has been co-opted to lead the tea party/constitution movement astray.

I agree with everything Glenn says in this list. And no offense but if you are involved in any movement including the church, you should follow the leaders. If you disagree with the leaders, you leave whatever movement you are in.

Indeed Nan. That is why the Lord gives us the spirit of discernment. We are not mindless robots just conditioned to follow anyone blindly no matter what they might say. Beck continues to be a whipping boy for any who have an axe to grind with him because he is not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years. I bet if I dissected every word that has come out of the mouths of the Beck haters in the last decade I just might find a couple mis-speaks or errors in judgement as well.

Nan- you are right following the leaders of a movement is always the right thing to do- it worked out great for these guys:

Hmmmmm....so "Beck continues to be a whipping boy for any who have an axe to grind with him because he is not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years."

Well that makes everything about Beck so much clearer now, he was just not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years.......I am so happy to learn that there was no malicious thought ever to leave Beck's lips!

So:

when On June 10, 2009, he declared 9/11 truthers are in league with al-Qaeda and white supremacists, he was just not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years.

when he said that there are 9/11 truth activists in the White House that threaten the life of Obama, he was just not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years.

when he advocated a Value Added Tax just like Pelosi did for an already over-taxed people, he was just not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years.

when he told us he is a libertarian and then aggressively attacked Ron Paul and his supporters during the election campaign when it looked like the Texan Congressman might have a real chance of winning the nomination, Beck was just not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years.

when he said that Ron Paul supporters were domestic terrorists and should be dealt with by the U.S. Army, he was just not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years.

when he vehemently supported the banker bailout, stating, “The $700 billion dollars that you’re hearing about now is not only I believe necessary, it is also not nearly enough.”, that was because Beck was just not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years.

when he told USA Weekend magazine that he now believes in man-made global warming, he was just not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years.

his support of the Patriot Act and our wars in the middle east, well he was just not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years.

when he called for Iran to be attacked like a good Neo-con, he was just not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years.

When he stabbed constitutionalist Texas Governor candidate Debra Medina in the back with his 9/11 question, well, again he was just not perfect in everything he has said over the past 5 years.

I could go on with many other examples but I am tired of typing and I think I have listed enough to make the libertarians glad that Beck is in their camp!

I simply said if you are going to be in a group, you follow the leaders. I personally wouldn't be a member of certain groups because I wouldn't follow the leaders.

You all can continue with your crazy hate for Beck all you want. But I think it is interesting that he is doing so much good. But you all hate anyone that doesn't believe exactly what you think they should believe. You literally see anyone that doesn't believe in your version of 911 as an enemy and evil and going to hell.

From time to time we all hear little voices our mind, I'm certainly glad to know that mine is named Nan (since you know exactly what I'm thinking)

Just because I and other point out HUGE flaws in Beck's amazing ability to say one thing (like "I'm a Libertarian"- of all things ) and do the opposite, does not qualify as "crazy hate".

Personally I save my "Hate" for the truly evil of the world- that's not Beck. Your attempts to label everyone who points out Becks mistakes as a "hater" are misguided and honestly quite childish.

I have repeatedly stated on this web site that I would love nothing more than to see Beck succeed as a "champion of Liberty" - However the record of his actions leaves much to desired on this front.

Did you read the list posted by woonwhim? Can you honestly defend his own actions as someone who is truly "doing a lot of good"? Beck takes 2 steps forward towards Liberty and 2 steps back, Is Beck doing "alot of good"? sure- I'll go with that. Telling people to read the 5,000 year leap- Great!!!! Good job Glenn. - Ignoring it's principles by doing the things that moonwhim posted -Bad.

See how it works? At the end of the day Beck is just a guy who is getting rich by pretending to lead folks to the truth. Guys like Ron Paul do it everyday for free (and get mocked in the process by folks like Hannity,Beck, etc) and never teach 10 truths for one lie like Beck does.

Nan
Your quote above appears to be shooting from your emotional hip, not logic.
I have never read anyone on this forum saying that they have a crazy hate for Beck, nor have I seen it implied. I don't hate Beck, he seems like he would be a fun guy to know if he was in my Ward.

And then you say we all hate anyone that doesn't believe exactly like we do. Just because I disagree with someone and expose what they say, like in my list in my previous post above, does not mean that I hate him. Why did he set up Medina with that 9/11 question? If she is a good constitutionalist why would he do that to her? Was that a righteous good thing to do to help her get elected? Should I keep my mouth shut about that and maybe give Beck the chance to do that to another constitutionalist?

Unfortunately it seems like you have trusted in Beck's arm of flesh and can't let go of it to see the bottom line of truth.

As soon as Beck exposes the international bankers, the Bildeberg group, the Trilateral Commission, and the Council on Foreign Relations and their actions in destroying our sovereignty and setting up their tyrannical world government, then I will look closer at Beck as a real leader in the truth/freedom movement.

thats a typical neo-con slam on people. just say they are crazy or that theyre' a bunch of hate mongers. dont teach principles or teach truth just say they are all nuts or haters. Works wonders doesnt it? If the church members cant think a little more analytically and without emotional knee jerks like that we will never uncover the truth.

I just advise caution with the man, because I don't know who's side he is on. As time progresses I tend to believe he is on the side of deception. (And I am not a 9/11 truther and don't give much care or thought to that movement.)

But I don't listen to him, haven't regularly for 7 years, and haven't heard listened to him at all in almost a year.


I certainly can say I wish more people would think for themselves and not rely on someone like Beck for their guidance.

That principle of you can't share your oil to light another person's lamp applies. You'll be tossed to and fro if you don't gain your own light. (Not accusing anyone on this forum of that, but I think in general, those who listen to him are guilty of that.)

When I heard Mr. Beck airing this I felt this was a waste of air time. I believe it is only to cover his butt. I'm sure he will be blamed for whatever happens this summer. He wants to make sure that it is well known that he was against the violence. As for me I'm planning for violence. I plan on killing if I have to. I have no desire to shoot any one, and will not do so unless attacked. So when things go down hill there will be violent defense.

Another thing that bothers me is he constantly holds up Martin Luther King as somebody that was great. MLK was a communist. President Benson said of King "the trouble in our southern states has been fomented almost entirely by the Communists... to stir up such bitterness between the whites and the blacks in the South that small flames of civil disorder would visibly result... The pending 'civil rights' legislation is, I am convinced, about 10% civil rights and about 90% a further extension of socialistic federal controls." Ezra Taft Benson, 13 Dec 1963, quoted in Newquist, p. 272

If Glenn were to talk more openly of the endgame scenarios of what he thinks this country will look like after the "system" has collapsed, I think you will find that it's not much different than any of the 9/11 truthers' endgame scenarios. The question is, why doesn't he lay it all out there instead of teasing us with half insinuations of what our country will become? Will someone finally ask him sooner or later if he thinks that the government would knowingly kill millions of Americans in order to get their socialist, communist, new world order? (Because this is what surely would need to happen for that to work.) If he answers "yes", then he doesn't have a leg to stand on when mocking truthers about the same thing. Is there any doubt he's been asking 9/11 truthers these same types of gotcha questions while mocking them all the way to the bank? Does anyone know if Glenn Beck has even looked into the evidence that many have come up with showing that the government has a lot to answer for? It seems to me that he thinks all 9/11 truthers are rabid leftist Bush haters that love Obama.

Get this, now Beck is talking about how the Patriot Act was pretty much a bad idea because any new president could come along and abuse power. Surprise, surprise.


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I think there is a lot to that observation Info. Becks frame of reference to the truther issue is Van Jones, Charlie Sheen, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Whoopie Goldberg and Rosanne Barr to name a few. Are you getting the picture here? He sees all these radical leftist Obama loving socialist/communist progressives who have been vocal truther believers and the alarm bells start going off. Can you blame the guy. I wouldn't want to be in the same camp as those loonies either.

I completely agree with you on that, Mark!

I just hope, from the bottom of my heart that Beck truly has a sincere heart and clean hands. I'll admit, that when I hear him talk about gospel related subjects, he's right on the money. For example, when he put Obama's spiritual advisor in his place about social justice.

So are you saying that he doesn't know of any libertarians or constitutionalists that are 9/11 Truthers? I think left-wing 9/11 truthers are a small minority of the movement and Beck is trying to demonize those good libertarians and constitutionalists who want the real truth about 9/11, he is trying to scare away any more conservatives from wanting to know 9/11 truth by telling them they will be joining the loonies if they do.

What I am saying moonriver is that Beck has focused almost exclusively this past year on progressives in govt. and particularly the radical leftists who are part of the Obama administration. He sees some of these high profile govt connected radicals and their liberal minded movie actor buddies calling themselves part of the truther movement and immediately he has a bad taste in his mouth. I can't speak for Beck and he can call me if he likes to correct this observation but I think that is a big part of his negativity toward 9-11 truthers. That and the fact he is being accused of being a sellout to TPTB by those like Bullhorn and I'm sure all that has not endeared him to the most vocal and well known truther crowd.

To bad Beck doesn't focus on the real visible core of the conspiracy such as the Bilderbergs, Trilateralists, and CFR rather than the lesser minions. If you don't understand who the core is then you will be "used" by them.

Not sure that focusing on the enemy and who they are by name is any better than teaching people correct principles and letting them judge the policies as evil set up by these evil organizations. I'm also pretty sure that any credibility anyone would have in the mainstream media by bringing up the name Bilderberger would be completely shot.

I think much of Beck's posturing is strategic Moonwhim.