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by gclayjr
Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:44 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Reality check: US factory jobs lost are due overwhelmingly to increases in productivity and they’re not coming back
Replies: 2
Views: 56

Re: Reality check: US factory jobs lost are due overwhelmingly to increases in productivity and they’re not coming back

Ajax, I am among the guilty. I worked in manufacturing for the past 40 years, and specifically in the last several years, for Rockwell Automation. A trivia question I pose to many people is to ask them where most of our manufacturing jobs have gone. I get responses like China, or Mexico, and tell th...
by gclayjr
Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:31 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine
Replies: 74
Views: 1609

Re: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine

Rachael, You insult the principle of freethinking, but you present yourself as an intellectual sort. Most everything I quoted from has come from LDS.org/essays, JoD, manuals, Ensign, Conference talks, or Church History. The rest is from wiki or my personal, anecdotal accounts from personal experienc...
by gclayjr
Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:33 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: International Trade Thuggery
Replies: 1
Views: 41

Re: International Trade Thuggery

Ajax, I read that column. I am a big fan of Walter Williams. I have often stated that the main reasons that companies go off shore are not due to higher wages, but excessive, regulations, bureaucracy and taxes. His example is very good. While I agree completely with him as to what the true solution ...
by gclayjr
Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:09 pm
Forum: Introduce yourself...
Topic: בנו של אלוהים
Replies: 8
Views: 314

Re: בנו של אלוהים

How about reading it in ASCII.

I'm old fashioned. I prefer to read EBCDIC.

Regards,

George Clay
by gclayjr
Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:53 pm
Forum: Introduce yourself...
Topic: בנו של אלוהים
Replies: 8
Views: 314

Re: בנו של אלוהים

gkearney, I can get my face slapped in Quebecois Is this what those folks up North Speak? They pretend to not understand English Canadians either.. particularly when they say "aboot the hoos". That's OK, those folks in France don't think either they, or those folks in Louisianan can speck ...
by gclayjr
Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:46 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Read D&C 28 this morning
Replies: 15
Views: 373

Re: Read D&C 28 this morning

Thank you all for your wonderful responses.

It is a great break from the conflict and contention that surrounds us.

Regards,

George Clay
by gclayjr
Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:12 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Read D&C 28 this morning
Replies: 15
Views: 373

Re: Read D&C 28 this morning

Durzan, The thing is, this won't deter them I know. I just found it inspiring, to remember, those truths we all know. Actually when I respond to threads, I tend to pay more attention, and get more gratification from how many times it is read, rather than how many times it is responded to. I feel for...
by gclayjr
Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:33 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Read D&C 28 this morning
Replies: 15
Views: 373

Read D&C 28 this morning

In my daily scripture reading, I read D&C 28 this morning. It is short. Only 16 verses. I am impressed with how this story fits in with so many of the controversies being discussed right here, and right now. It is short, clear, and to the point. I wouldn't insult you by trying to explain to you ...
by gclayjr
Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:25 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine
Replies: 74
Views: 1609

Re: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine

Finrock, Amonhi, Rachael, I had another thought about why you feel so self righteous in the insulting things you say, then get your "Panties in a twist" when someone responds back with a criticism. Could it be that you all think that if you say "You are intellectually dishonest",...
by gclayjr
Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:52 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine
Replies: 74
Views: 1609

Re: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine

ou "free" thinkers out thereRachael, OK, you want to play grammar police and imply I'm a hypocrite. That's fine. I'm not gonna be meticulous about grammar and spelling on a discussion forum. I make grammatical and spelling errors regularly, but I ASSumed the readers here can decipher what ...
by gclayjr
Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:44 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: You can't both be right? Right?
Replies: 74
Views: 1518

Re: You can't both be right? Right?

Racheal, Interesting... Although Ephraim is 1/2 of the tribe of Joseph. However. So I guess that since most people from Western Europe are of Ephraim, they are claiming one of the 6,0000, instead of 144,000. What do you bet that more that 6,000 people from the house of Ephraim claim to be of the 144...
by gclayjr
Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:27 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: You can't both be right? Right?
Replies: 74
Views: 1518

Re: You can't both be right? Right?

Finrock, I know that you ignore me because you think that I am just setting traps for you. You are wrong, although I actually don't care. I have given your comments much more objective thought and analysis, than you have mine. I actually do try to find out if there is any honest coherent thought (ev...
by gclayjr
Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:53 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine
Replies: 74
Views: 1609

Re: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine

Rachael, WW issued a Manifesto to end polygamy, and in that Manifesto, he added that little gem that a prophet can never lead the church astray. Then he sanctioned plural marriages there after for certain members, and took another wife himself. 14 years later, JFS had to issue a SECOND Manifesto (wh...
by gclayjr
Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:50 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine
Replies: 74
Views: 1609

Re: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine

Finrock, Another false accusation and assertion. I believe in the Church and what is taught there. yet you refute We have a prophet living on the earth today. This prophet is the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He has the right to revelation for the entire Church. He ho...
by gclayjr
Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:56 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine
Replies: 74
Views: 1609

Re: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine

Finrock, get all of that and I don't even disagree. It's just the irony, Mark. The hypocrisy. Can't you see it? Can't you see that you are saying, Hey, you are elitist and why would God reveal things for the whole world to this small special group, but you yourself accept the fact that God is, relat...
by gclayjr
Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:18 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine
Replies: 74
Views: 1609

Re: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine

Mark, I just glanced at a new thread by JaredBees. He seems to be making similar assertions as Amonhi, and Finrock, and others. I was surprised on an earlier thread by Amonhi, when I made what I thought was a fairly innocuous statement about how you could tell if someone was a false prophet, because...
by gclayjr
Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:28 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: You can't both be right? Right?
Replies: 74
Views: 1518

Re: You can't both be right? Right?

Iinvestigator, Obviously, you are another of Amonhi's puppies, You have not proven Amonhi's concept wrong. ….Unless you have had your calling and election made sure, you should not presume to teach others on how to get it And this may be the key right here.. You receive eternal life by KNOWING Chris...
by gclayjr
Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:16 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: You can't both be right? Right?
Replies: 74
Views: 1518

Re: You can't both be right? Right?

Investigator, I am talking about a teaching that the Prophet of the Restoration taught prominently being left out of the book that supposedly contains his most important teachings applicable to us, not an obscure manual that never sees the light of day that no one ever uses. If that doesn't convince...
by gclayjr
Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:00 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine
Replies: 74
Views: 1609

Re: Brigham Young Blood Atonement - NOT LDS Doctrine

Contemplator, I am old enough to also remember the older version of the temple ritual. I was kind of tortured by knowing that what was being represented was false, and not knowing how to explain it without breaking covenants. I think you did that brilliantly. The essence of it was that I would rathe...
by gclayjr
Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:35 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: You can't both be right? Right?
Replies: 74
Views: 1518

Re: You can't both be right? Right?

investigator, Where would one expect to find these teachings if the church were teaching them? I would suspect they would be in The Teaching of the Presidents of the Church, Joseph Smith. You know the priesthood manual. Supposedly it has Joseph Smiths most important teachings. What could be more imp...
by gclayjr
Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:29 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Smoot-Hawley Tariff Redux?
Replies: 3
Views: 106

Re: Smoot-Hawley Tariff Redux?

Separatist, I'm sure that you will be surprised to learn that I have a somewhat contrarian view of this. :) I do agree with the historical record, regarding SmootHawley. However, we were in a somewhat different situation then rather than now. In the days of Smoot-Hawley, as a nation, we were net exp...
by gclayjr
Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:22 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: You can't both be right? Right?
Replies: 74
Views: 1518

Re: You can't both be right? Right?

Amonhi, Finrock I do want to thank you for your responses that have lead me into a position where the truth is so clear that a spotlight couldn't highlight it more. I have a choice between believing the well thought out clearly spoken words of Elder Ballard, in General conference, which are spoken i...
by gclayjr
Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:56 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: You can't both be right? Right?
Replies: 74
Views: 1518

Re: You can't both be right? Right?

Finrock, Same, here George, look at what you just wrote to me. You have assigned all of these negative traits to me, unfairly, and then expect that there will be some dialogue? Seriously, drop the attitude, and lets communicate in a Christ-like way. Demonstrate intellectual integrity, empathy, coura...
by gclayjr
Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:10 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: You can't both be right? Right?
Replies: 74
Views: 1518

Re: You can't both be right? Right?

Finrock, Pres Ballard Said Whenever you see a man rise up claiming to have received direct revelation from the Lord to the Church, independent of the order and channel of the Priesthood, you may set him down as an imposter” (Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed. [1939], 41–42). You Said: That quote doesn't mean ...
by gclayjr
Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:01 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: You can't both be right? Right?
Replies: 74
Views: 1518

Re: You can't both be right? Right?

Finrock, Yea, and I guess Russel M. Ballard, and Joseph F. Smith didn't figure it out either We can accept nothing as authoritative but that which comes directly through the appointed channel, the constituted organizations of the Priesthood, which is the channel that God has appointed through which ...
by gclayjr
Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:03 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: You can't both be right? Right?
Replies: 74
Views: 1518

Re: You can't both be right? Right?

Finrock, As far as Elder Ballard's quote: Seems obvious that in the last days there will be false prophets and false teachers. I agree that no one, other than the President of the Church (via the revealed process) can claim to have received direct revelation from the Lord to the Church. I agree that...
by gclayjr
Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:37 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Three Important Points About Islam
Replies: 34
Views: 708

Re: Three Important Points About Islam

Rensai, Unfortunately we are infected with Dhimmis who think that if we promote that fiction of a peaceable religion, then it will be one. Perhaps another, maybe promising thing, is that that the religion of Islam is so violent and disturbing, that most Muslim people will not even try to strictly li...
by gclayjr
Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:42 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Three Important Points About Islam
Replies: 34
Views: 708

Re: Three Important Points About Islam

Fiannan,

You are right! Piracy was not limited to the Mediterranean. I don't see any historical argument to support that the Muslims simply ignored or left Europe alone.


Regards,

George Clay
by gclayjr
Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:35 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Marxist Illusions
Replies: 9
Views: 237

Re: Marxist Illusions

Separaist, I am not familiar with that specific quote, but I do know that Communism, not only attacks capitalism as "exploiting" labor... because Communists think that the value of anything is the amount of the Labor that went into making it, but considers doing everything yourself to be l...

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