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by gclayjr
Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:31 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: US to join the Commonwealth?
Replies: 28
Views: 505

Re: US to join the Commonwealth?

Robin Hood. Thought Question: How Many Nations freed themselves from the British Empire as a result of successful military revolution, as opposed to a negotiation? Answer 1. The United States. If we fought and WON a revolution to become separate, and we developed a unique, inspired constitution to g...
by gclayjr
Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:27 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Finrock, Writing in the proud, thin skinned self righteous manner that you always do, I'm sure you will not be able to see the irony and inconsistency between these 2 posts of yours, but I am sure others will appreciate it. 1) You should change your position at this time to reflect the reality that ...
by gclayjr
Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:40 am
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Affording a Family in the Last Days
Replies: 22
Views: 1365

Re: Affording a Family in the Last Days

Dave62,

Amen!

Regards,

George Clay
by gclayjr
Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:25 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Finrock, You said to AI2.0 Thank you for providing your current understanding of this doctrine. Based on what you said in your opening paragraph in this response I can tell that you have not understood my point. Also, in future correspondences with me, please recognize that if I am disagreeing with ...
by gclayjr
Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:17 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

AI2.0 In this thread you posed the following .Did George say that having tattoos, wearing earrings, tank tops,drinking alcohol etc. meant you could not be a good person and have the love of Christ for others? If he did, please show me, because I never read that in what he wrote. You impudently respo...
by gclayjr
Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:07 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Finrock, You say that an article from LDS.org completely refutes MY assertion? I did reference the scripture in my original post. Secondly, the article did not completely refute what the scriptures say. Read the scriptures for yourself. I underlined and put in bold the portions that say that if a pe...
by gclayjr
Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:51 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Obrien, Your first post on this thread, gclayjr wrote: Finrock, Why didn't you give me the signal that you were again wandering into the gospel according to FInrock by saying ... in my own words How you square the circle between what you say Clearly, there is an opportunity for those who have been s...
by gclayjr
Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:19 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Obrien, Good to know you have a life outside of LDSFF. No need to apologize for a tardy response. You twist my words here, amigo. There is not a perfect overlap between teachings on LDS.org, "the church" and "that undeviating and perfect devotion to the cause of righteousness". The information you g...
by gclayjr
Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:30 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Finrock, You can have tattoos, wear earrings, wear tank tops, drink alcohol, use tobacco, and be filled with the pure love of Christ. The Mormon paradigm and Mormon traditions and Mormon norms are not the measure of who is or is not filled with the love of Christ. True, but irrelevant. You somehow s...
by gclayjr
Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:36 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Finrock, My point still stands and my position is very important and critical to understanding what it means to act righteously. If we are not motivated by Love/Charity/Pure Love of Christ, then our actions are a curse against us. People who have love of God and of others are on the right path. Peop...
by gclayjr
Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:13 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Finrock, e·quiv·o·cate [əˈkwivəˌkāt] VERB use ambiguous language so as to conceal the truth or avoid committing oneself: "“Not that we are aware of,” she equivocated" synonyms: prevaricate · be evasive · be noncommittal · be vague · [more] How am I using ambiguous language and what am I concealing? ...
by gclayjr
Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:04 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Finrock, It's not about the outward appearance, its what is in the inside of your temple that matters. Is your temple housing a holy spirit or some other spirit? We can look exceptionally beautiful on the outside, yet be filled with death and decay on the inside. The line is Love. Are you using the ...
by gclayjr
Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:43 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Finrock, In your personal opinion, Mark, is it ever appropriate to disagree with the Church's position or a Church leader's position? Meaning, is there any room in your view for having a dissenting voice? These are sincere questions which I believe are relevant to this discussion. I know that you we...
by gclayjr
Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:46 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Obrien you say, LDS.org assumes that "undeviating and perfect devotion to the cause of righteousness" = following the church leaders. They are wrong. Plain and simple. So I guess that means Obrien assumes that "undeviating and perfect devotion to the cause of righteousness" ≠ following the church le...
by gclayjr
Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:56 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: True Calling and Election made sure, my witness
Replies: 7
Views: 458

Re: True Calling and Election made sure, my witness

cayenne, I am leaving my testimony to all on this forum as a "witness" of the truth, and certainly not by way of any administrative authority, for I am but an elder. What I say below is truth, and it is the only way to know God right from his first commandment. I will be leaving the forum as to purs...
by gclayjr
Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:42 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Jeremy, remember asking for my sins to be forgiven. Is this not a great blessing I was asking for? This is a different blessing. The fact is we have been instructed on how to receive both blessings, and the instructions are different. In the case or receiving forgiveness for our sins, we HAVE been i...
by gclayjr
Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:15 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

AI2.0 Thank you for that post. Amonhi, was always verbose, and yet vague. I smelled a rat, because even in his verbosity, he denied the obvious truth. That is it is something you get after living a lifetime of following the Gospel. I still think my analogy comparing it to earning a Congressional Med...
by gclayjr
Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:30 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Brandon Smith's Latest Article and Prediction
Replies: 16
Views: 878

Re: Brandon Smith's Latest Article and Prediction

Silver, Good Article. It is focused on one of the problems I have had with Trump supporters all along. They seem to have lost the idea of a limited constitutional government. It seems that so many want to use the Left's tactics to "undo" the damaged done by the left, and don't seem to understand tha...
by gclayjr
Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:15 pm
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Affording a Family in the Last Days
Replies: 22
Views: 1365

Re: Affording a Family in the Last Days

JohnnyL, As I have stated many times, I have been a financial clerk for a few decades. As such, I am involved in FO payments. One thing that is required of a FO recipient, is to eliminate non essential luxuries, before asking for financial assistance. I have noted that over the years the "simple" li...
by gclayjr
Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:57 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Finrock, Why didn't you give me the signal that you were again wandering into the gospel according to FInrock by saying ... in my own words How you square the circle between what you say Clearly, there is an opportunity for those who have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise for them to commit ...
by gclayjr
Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:55 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Finrock, Secondly, those who have been sealed up to eternal life by the Holy Spirit of Promise, cannot lose the prize, no matter if they mock the Lord's anointed servant or commit any other sin except that of denying the Holy Ghost or murdering someone in cold blood. Those who are sealed can do what...
by gclayjr
Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:49 pm
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Affording a Family in the Last Days
Replies: 22
Views: 1365

Re: Affording a Family in the Last Days

Matchmaker, I didn't even go into the struggles my daughters-in-law, and my own daughters go through to try and balance being a mom with helping the family stay afloat. One of my daughters-in-law, who believes passionately in staying home, and in fact in also home schooling her children had to work ...
by gclayjr
Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:25 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Making Your Calling and Election Sure
Replies: 141
Views: 2849

Re: Making Your Calling and Election Sure

Kirtland R.M., Amonhi The Holy Spirit of Promise Joseph Smith defined the principle of "mak[ing your] calling and election sure" in a 27 June 1839 sermon. This was to be accomplished, he said, after a lifetime of service and devotion, by being "sealed up" to exaltation while yet living. I don't thin...
by gclayjr
Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:49 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: False Traditions and "Truth Alterations:" Restoration through Reformation?
Replies: 12
Views: 419

Re: False Traditions and "Truth Alterations:" Restoration through Reformation?

BruceRGilbert, There are a number of concepts percolating. Chief and foremost is the need to understand that "knowledge" and "knowing" comes from "within." Greater is the "internal" witness of the Holy Ghost, than the "external" witness of the physical world. The sign was not a parable. It was both,...
by gclayjr
Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:24 pm
Forum: Last Days / Signs of the Times
Topic: Affording a Family in the Last Days
Replies: 22
Views: 1365

Re: Affording a Family in the Last Days

Sunian, I agree. I see this in my own family. I graduated from USU 1975 with a degree in Applied Statistics. I went into the Marines, met and married my wife. When I got out, I got a job at Pratt & Whitney Aircraft for $16,800 per year. I owed $5,000 in student debt, which I paid off in a few years....
by gclayjr
Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:38 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: 1882 Oracle received by John Taylor about Celestial Marriage
Replies: 104
Views: 2294

Re: 1882 Oracle received by John Taylor about Celestial Marriage

jwharton, You can either continue with me in the Spirit of Truth and actually try to achieve mutual understanding or be quiet. Apparently AI2.0, in fact , has more than 2 choices. OK, I do think that things my be descending into mocking, but are you so clueless as to not see how you are now encourag...
by gclayjr
Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:32 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: 1882 Oracle received by John Taylor about Celestial Marriage
Replies: 104
Views: 2294

Re: 1882 Oracle received by John Taylor about Celestial Marriage

IWriteStuff,
So there it is: what if preaching polygamy led to the Lord removing Joseph Smith from his position as President? What if polygamy was "not in the programme"?
Then why did he replace Joseph Smith with Brigham Young?

Doesn't look very consistent or logical!


Regards,

George Clay
by gclayjr
Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:31 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: 1882 Oracle received by John Taylor about Celestial Marriage
Replies: 104
Views: 2294

Re: 1882 Oracle received by John Taylor about Celestial Marriage

IWriteStuff,
So there it is: what if preaching polygamy led to the Lord removing Joseph Smith from his position as President? What if polygamy was "not in the programme"?
Then why did he replace Joseph Smith with Brigham Young?

Doesn't look very consistent or logical!

Regards,


George Clay
by gclayjr
Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:19 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: 1882 Oracle received by John Taylor about Celestial Marriage
Replies: 104
Views: 2294

Re: 1882 Oracle received by John Taylor about Celestial Marriage

jwharton, mock [mäk] VERB tease or laugh at in a scornful or contemptuous manner: "he mocks them as Washington insiders" synonyms: ridicule · jeer at · sneer at · deride · scorn · make fun of · [more] ADJECTIVE not authentic or real, but without the intention to deceive: "a mock-Georgian red brick h...
by gclayjr
Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:56 am
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: False Traditions and "Truth Alterations:" Restoration through Reformation?
Replies: 12
Views: 419

Re: False Traditions and "Truth Alterations:" Restoration through Reformation?

BruceRGilbert, What does this scripture mean and why would it be of concern? There seems to be a number of concepts percolating here. 1. Does Man over time slide into false traditions and alter the truth? A. Yes, That is why we need a continuous line of communication from God to his Children via a p...

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